| Dembélé new boo boy? 23:36 - Jan 17 with 5613 views | LazyFan |
Our previous boo boy was Madsen, who has survived by being dropped back to a number 6, and it seems he can play there.
Now I think it is Dembélé who is not playing well and is well below his skill level. Also, I think his best position is a number 10, not RW. He's even better on LW for me than RW.
Too many times, he does not run back; he does sometimes, but plenty of times, he does not. Today he lost the ball 3 times and did not run back, one of those was when we were in our own last 3rd, and the defence was under pressure.
This really isn't acceptable, along with losing the ball a lot and also not really creating much. You could say they were all drek poor today, but the constant under pressure QPR defence was decent, along with Madsen.
True, the rest were poor outside the Keeper, back four and Madsen. But at least Smyth (who was also poor) runs back and helps out. Hayden offered little, but at least made a few good tackles. The front two were dreadful, poor, and that must have been Kone's worst game, yet Kone still got two efforts on target.
But Dembélé was the worst, and we have seen him play like this too many times.
Not good enough for me.
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 09:17 - Jan 21 with 800 views | TheChef |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 23:28 - Jan 20 by QPROslo |
I thought he played well this evening. |
Wow.
He's just dreadful. A few nice touches and tricks but no end product and off the ball he's a waste of space. And he seems to think he's better than everyone else.
Summed up late on getting the ball in a decent position in the box, losing it and Oxford breaking forwards and nearly scoring.
I can't take him any more, please get rid of him. |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 10:03 - Jan 21 with 713 views | daveB |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 09:17 - Jan 21 by TheChef |
Wow.
He's just dreadful. A few nice touches and tricks but no end product and off the ball he's a waste of space. And he seems to think he's better than everyone else.
Summed up late on getting the ball in a decent position in the box, losing it and Oxford breaking forwards and nearly scoring.
I can't take him any more, please get rid of him. |
First half an hour I thought he was our only attacking threat, some nice cross field passes, had beating of his full back. I mean it's a low bar no more than a 5/10 but he was more effective than the rest.
After that he was absolutely woeful, giving away free kicks, losing the ball and creating nothing. [Post edited 21 Jan 10:04]
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:05 - Jan 21 with 566 views | Lblock |
My musing from deep into the second half of something that purported to be Association Football:-
Someone buy that **** Dumbele a fishing rod and sit him on the edge of a pond in someone’s front garden.
****** drek!!
I’ve come to the conclusion that he is the flattest of flat track bullies.
Literally everything needs to be going his way for him to have a good game / impact the game positively. This I find curious as you’d expect in League One with Blackpool he’d need to put it in 100% to get the reviews he was getting. I would hate to think he’s being given an easy ride by our current charges…… the surname does not a decent player make.
I’d take two Bob and a conker for him in the summer. |  |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:12 - Jan 21 with 540 views | SK_hoops |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:05 - Jan 21 by Lblock |
My musing from deep into the second half of something that purported to be Association Football:-
Someone buy that **** Dumbele a fishing rod and sit him on the edge of a pond in someone’s front garden.
****** drek!!
I’ve come to the conclusion that he is the flattest of flat track bullies.
Literally everything needs to be going his way for him to have a good game / impact the game positively. This I find curious as you’d expect in League One with Blackpool he’d need to put it in 100% to get the reviews he was getting. I would hate to think he’s being given an easy ride by our current charges…… the surname does not a decent player make.
I’d take two Bob and a conker for him in the summer. |
I wish he was a track back bully. |  | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:14 - Jan 21 with 536 views | nix |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:05 - Jan 21 by Lblock |
My musing from deep into the second half of something that purported to be Association Football:-
Someone buy that **** Dumbele a fishing rod and sit him on the edge of a pond in someone’s front garden.
****** drek!!
I’ve come to the conclusion that he is the flattest of flat track bullies.
Literally everything needs to be going his way for him to have a good game / impact the game positively. This I find curious as you’d expect in League One with Blackpool he’d need to put it in 100% to get the reviews he was getting. I would hate to think he’s being given an easy ride by our current charges…… the surname does not a decent player make.
I’d take two Bob and a conker for him in the summer. |
What do you think SrAlex would do with him? Would he get the hairdryer treatment? Or just sell him to Spurs…. |  | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:41 - Jan 21 with 461 views | RsinWales |
I thought he started OK, but disappeared in the second half.
But it is probably not a coincidence that none of our wingers are doing very well. We don't seem to have much guile in our offensive structure.
I also feel that we have started to slow down the movement of the ball from back to front, which rarely works well for us. Happy to be proved wrong by the data, but that's my perception. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:42 - Jan 21 with 457 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:05 - Jan 21 by Lblock |
My musing from deep into the second half of something that purported to be Association Football:-
Someone buy that **** Dumbele a fishing rod and sit him on the edge of a pond in someone’s front garden.
****** drek!!
I’ve come to the conclusion that he is the flattest of flat track bullies.
Literally everything needs to be going his way for him to have a good game / impact the game positively. This I find curious as you’d expect in League One with Blackpool he’d need to put it in 100% to get the reviews he was getting. I would hate to think he’s being given an easy ride by our current charges…… the surname does not a decent player make.
I’d take two Bob and a conker for him in the summer. |
I think that is so harsh. Sure, he's not in the best of form but he has shown me enough recently, in the first half yesterday and at West Ham generally, that there is plenty to work with for a young player. I am probably completely wrong compared to the majority view on here, but I just don't think he has been THAT bad.
The criticism he gets compared to Saito and their relative performances is beyond me. |  | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 13:58 - Jan 21 with 379 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 10:03 - Jan 21 by daveB |
First half an hour I thought he was our only attacking threat, some nice cross field passes, had beating of his full back. I mean it's a low bar no more than a 5/10 but he was more effective than the rest.
After that he was absolutely woeful, giving away free kicks, losing the ball and creating nothing. [Post edited 21 Jan 10:04]
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You could forgive losing the ball if they rushed back t o fix it, like Smyth did.
Or immediately wanting the ball again to try a pass again, like Morgan did.
Maybe Dembele needs a special type of manager, like a Warnock to tell him how good he is?
Or maybe he's got that nice contract, and is going to give us 75% every game, like SWP did |  | | |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:00 - Jan 21 with 373 views | Northernr |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 13:58 - Jan 21 by nick_hammersmith |
You could forgive losing the ball if they rushed back t o fix it, like Smyth did.
Or immediately wanting the ball again to try a pass again, like Morgan did.
Maybe Dembele needs a special type of manager, like a Warnock to tell him how good he is?
Or maybe he's got that nice contract, and is going to give us 75% every game, like SWP did |
My biggest problem with him last night was that ridiculous ball he played trying to execute a short corner. Not the ball itself, though that was bad, but the fact that having given it away he was the last one to get back and help rescue the situation. |  | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:17 - Jan 21 with 341 views | Lblock |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:14 - Jan 21 by nix |
What do you think SrAlex would do with him? Would he get the hairdryer treatment? Or just sell him to Spurs…. |
I remember reading about Ferguson's approach on players on transfers and developed yoot and it stuck with me.
Apparently he had the players charecters and personalities researched extensively to ensure they were the right sort before purchasing. Obvious you'd think?
It's something I took into recruiting my staff over the years for my team but I will confess I got one or two wrong due to desperation to fill open spots. Players with traits that don't buy into 100% across the squad have to be at Adel T's level of contribution to carry, otherwise your team is a strong as it's weakest link. It is without question that Dumbele can "do it" - evidence for the defence Exhibit A - Plymuff Home debut and Ehibit B - Leicester first half demolition job December '25........ and that is what makes him nothing more than a cheat / flat track bully because evidence for the prosecution is basically every other time he's crossed the white line to play for us.
I'd love to loan him to a club in Turkey.... sure he'd think he's in heaven but then to have 10,000 mad Turks baying at you for not giving 100% he'd realise what is required of him at a higher level.
We, as a club (ie higher up's and fans), really do seem to constantly reward failure and accept mediocrity.
So returning to Ferguson - the QPR Trnsfer Committee need to be accountable and be working 'kin harder in my book. Examine all the metrics and not just OPTIMA running stats, transitions and the like. Look deeper and also wise up on Contracts offered.
Seeing on these pages earlier this week that Big Matt Smith was on £20k a week was sobering.
Many, many years agao I had a brief chat with Sam Hamman the then Wimbledon owner. He clued me in how their squad were all individually bonused to the hilt and also a "shared pool" bonus for each match, clean sheets, goals, league position etc whilst all being on similar basic wages. You can't argue that this didn't mean all his players gave the absolute maximum each and every game. I'd like to see us take that approach but I assume modern day players wouldn't wear it. | |
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:19 - Jan 21 with 337 views | 7374Ranger |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:00 - Jan 21 by Northernr |
My biggest problem with him last night was that ridiculous ball he played trying to execute a short corner. Not the ball itself, though that was bad, but the fact that having given it away he was the last one to get back and help rescue the situation. |
He has some ability, but that is shown very few and very far between. He loses possession and falls to the ground looking for a free kick or doesn’t try and rescue the situation. He is lazy and rarely tracks back let alone get a tackle in. His stats are also quite poor.
I know that some of the same criticism can be said of Saito or Smyth but at least they have a good work rate and make tackles or win headers.
If QPR receive an offer for Dembele I think it should be seriously considered, because Stephan doesn’t appear to be able to improve him (if anything, he is getting worse than he was under Cifuentes). | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 15:22 - Jan 21 with 264 views | nix |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:17 - Jan 21 by Lblock |
I remember reading about Ferguson's approach on players on transfers and developed yoot and it stuck with me.
Apparently he had the players charecters and personalities researched extensively to ensure they were the right sort before purchasing. Obvious you'd think?
It's something I took into recruiting my staff over the years for my team but I will confess I got one or two wrong due to desperation to fill open spots. Players with traits that don't buy into 100% across the squad have to be at Adel T's level of contribution to carry, otherwise your team is a strong as it's weakest link. It is without question that Dumbele can "do it" - evidence for the defence Exhibit A - Plymuff Home debut and Ehibit B - Leicester first half demolition job December '25........ and that is what makes him nothing more than a cheat / flat track bully because evidence for the prosecution is basically every other time he's crossed the white line to play for us.
I'd love to loan him to a club in Turkey.... sure he'd think he's in heaven but then to have 10,000 mad Turks baying at you for not giving 100% he'd realise what is required of him at a higher level.
We, as a club (ie higher up's and fans), really do seem to constantly reward failure and accept mediocrity.
So returning to Ferguson - the QPR Trnsfer Committee need to be accountable and be working 'kin harder in my book. Examine all the metrics and not just OPTIMA running stats, transitions and the like. Look deeper and also wise up on Contracts offered.
Seeing on these pages earlier this week that Big Matt Smith was on £20k a week was sobering.
Many, many years agao I had a brief chat with Sam Hamman the then Wimbledon owner. He clued me in how their squad were all individually bonused to the hilt and also a "shared pool" bonus for each match, clean sheets, goals, league position etc whilst all being on similar basic wages. You can't argue that this didn't mean all his players gave the absolute maximum each and every game. I'd like to see us take that approach but I assume modern day players wouldn't wear it. |
Yeah I think you’re right they wouldn’t wear that now, or at least their agents wouldn’t.
Most of the players we’ve brought in seem like the right sort in terms of effort and not being a total arse or having ishoos on the Caulker level. Maybe that’s why we’ve gone for players who had it tough like Burrell and in particular Kone and Mbengue. They’ve got some appreciation for having naff all.
I was shocked by the Matt Smith wages too. I thought he was plucky but very limited. The kind of player you want in your side who’ll cause havoc, play for the shirt but costs peanuts. Wondering what they were thinking paying him that much when there was no potential resale or development upside.
I work in a job where you help to develop people and the thing is you could be the top coach/therapist/motivator/teacher in the world but if someone won’t listen, put things into practice, reflect on what you’ve said, how that has worked in practice and integrate that into their own way of behaving/working it’s a waste of time.
The starting point is you have to think you can be better and want to better. If you can’t be bothered or you think you’ve already made it then you’ll never improve.
That’s why I have so much respect for Madsen. You can see from his interviews and the changes on the pitch that he knew he wasn’t performing well enough. So he buckled down, listened and worked on his game. His defensive work is exponentially better and he’s also learnt to play the ball better and position himself better for the English game. That takes cojones.
I fear that Dembele hasn’t got that hunger. You look at his expressions on the pitch and he looks like someone who thinks he’s doing a good job. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 15:55 - Jan 21 with 225 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 14:00 - Jan 21 by Northernr |
My biggest problem with him last night was that ridiculous ball he played trying to execute a short corner. Not the ball itself, though that was bad, but the fact that having given it away he was the last one to get back and help rescue the situation. |
Therein lies the biggest problem with Dembele - his lack of desire and work-rate, particularly defensively. Fans can forgive the odd mistake but hard work and effort are non-negotiables. It's why Smyth, though not as technically gifted as Dembele, gets more empathy. It's also why Madsen is a man transformed. Last season you could see that he has technical ability but he just wasn't working hard enough. This season he's covering hard yards, snapping into tackles and trying to effect the game. If Dembele wants to turn it around he could do a lot worse than follow Madsen's example. [Post edited 21 Jan 15:58]
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| Dembélé new boo boy? on 16:14 - Jan 21 with 182 views | Watford_Ranger |
His effort to stop the cross that led to the big chance Mills shot over the bar towards the end reminded me of when you’re one short at PowerLeague and a teenager who has just played a game with his mates says he’ll play as long as he’s up front. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 16:22 - Jan 21 with 164 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
All of which has nothing to do with Dembele being a boo boy.
He brings the criticism on himself with the limited ability, lack of effort and team ethic and should not be in the team when we have the injured back. | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 16:33 - Jan 21 with 149 views | golborne |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 12:42 - Jan 21 by GaryBannister86 |
I think that is so harsh. Sure, he's not in the best of form but he has shown me enough recently, in the first half yesterday and at West Ham generally, that there is plenty to work with for a young player. I am probably completely wrong compared to the majority view on here, but I just don't think he has been THAT bad.
The criticism he gets compared to Saito and their relative performances is beyond me. |
Probably the same folk who said Madson had no ability and was lazy last year | | | |
| Dembélé new boo boy? on 17:19 - Jan 21 with 87 views | Spaceman_P |
My issue with Dembele is his lack of intensity.
The other day I watched a video with Roy Keane saying that had Beckham and Giggs and their other wide players during that era not ran back to help defensively they would have known about it from the team.
This is Exactly why Dembele does my head in... he doesn't even try to run back and also when he haphazardly loses the ball he appears to not give an F.
Also I feel he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder for example grabbing the ball before Madsen for free kicks etc.
I personally want him to do well for the team but he's not helping himself at all. |  | | |
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