| Jason Arday 22:07 - Aug 14 with 10771 views | Logman |
Absolutely tragic news. Sent a shock down my spine. Not only a highly intelligent and erudite academic, but also evidently a wonderful individual and family man. I actually knew him very remotely. Back in the day he was the goalkeeper for a team that played in my Sunday League called Battersea Park Rangers who actually won the whole League some 7 or 8 years ago (from memory), i.e. 7 or 8 divisions of 10 teams so no mean feat. I came across him at one or two of their games and despite playing in the best team in the League and probably being the best keeper in the League he was actually a really down to earth and friendly guy. Absolutely heart-breaking for his family. |  | | |  |
| Jason Arday on 18:33 - Aug 15 with 3012 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Left wing white apologists, please have a day off.
Whilst Arday's suicide is undoubtedly tragic, it doesn't detract from the fact that he was a fraud and a fantasist. He claimed to be mute until the age of 10, and illiterate until 18. Despite this, by 37 he'd somehow rose to professorship (at Cambridge University, no less). He did so by plagiarising over 100 passages from a Brunel student's thesis. The odds of 2 theses containing over 100 identical passages by coincidence are several billion-to-one.
But it doesn't end there. Arday claimed to have run 600 miles in 6 days but had no proof to support this. He also claimed to have raised £5 million for charity even though that charity confirmed that they have no record of him. He said that he took part in the TV social experiment Seven Up, even though he was born in 1985 and the programme started in 1964. These lies are clear and obvious. The scale of this fraud can't simply be ignored in favour of a lazy, politically motivated conclusion of a right wing witch-hunt.
This case highlights a deep issue with modern academia. For me, much of the blame lies with the left leaning institutions that were so desperate to meet quotas and boost their profile that they entertained Arday's fantasies.
Cambridge University, in particular, have a lot to answer for and those involved in his hire should be made to pay. Baroness Sally Morgan and Professor Hilary Cremin chaired the interview panel despite having previously written extensively about prioritizing alternative diversity metrics and dismantling "whiteness" in education. Fellow panel member Professor Louise Archer has published research critiquing traditional, grade-heavy academic vetting processes in favour of diversity metrics.
The only inequality in all of this is that these 3 white women are still in their roles. They should have been removed from post along with Arday. |  | | |
| Jason Arday on 19:49 - Aug 15 with 2821 views | NorthantsHoop |
It is all so very sad and disturbing that Jason had felt there was no other way than to take his life to end his torment. As you say it is so heartbreaking for the family. |  | | |
| Jason Arday on 20:09 - Aug 15 with 2746 views | T_Block |
Fair | | | |
| Jason Arday on 10:29 - Aug 16 with 2347 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Jason Arday on 18:33 - Aug 15 by Benny_the_Ball |
Left wing white apologists, please have a day off.
Whilst Arday's suicide is undoubtedly tragic, it doesn't detract from the fact that he was a fraud and a fantasist. He claimed to be mute until the age of 10, and illiterate until 18. Despite this, by 37 he'd somehow rose to professorship (at Cambridge University, no less). He did so by plagiarising over 100 passages from a Brunel student's thesis. The odds of 2 theses containing over 100 identical passages by coincidence are several billion-to-one.
But it doesn't end there. Arday claimed to have run 600 miles in 6 days but had no proof to support this. He also claimed to have raised £5 million for charity even though that charity confirmed that they have no record of him. He said that he took part in the TV social experiment Seven Up, even though he was born in 1985 and the programme started in 1964. These lies are clear and obvious. The scale of this fraud can't simply be ignored in favour of a lazy, politically motivated conclusion of a right wing witch-hunt.
This case highlights a deep issue with modern academia. For me, much of the blame lies with the left leaning institutions that were so desperate to meet quotas and boost their profile that they entertained Arday's fantasies.
Cambridge University, in particular, have a lot to answer for and those involved in his hire should be made to pay. Baroness Sally Morgan and Professor Hilary Cremin chaired the interview panel despite having previously written extensively about prioritizing alternative diversity metrics and dismantling "whiteness" in education. Fellow panel member Professor Louise Archer has published research critiquing traditional, grade-heavy academic vetting processes in favour of diversity metrics.
The only inequality in all of this is that these 3 white women are still in their roles. They should have been removed from post along with Arday. |
He won't be the first, or the last, to have manoeuvred themselves into a lofty position even though their actual work crumbles under scrutiny. In academia like in other areas, titles, accolades and access attracts more of the same.
Matt Goodwin, whose latest self-published work has been torn to pieces for everything from using ai to simply inaccurate handling of data, has made a career advising everyone from the boardrooms of global finance to academic networks with links to discredited race science and eugenics.
Who do you think has the power here? The poor academic teaching and publishing in academia or the one with engagements with financial giants including JPMorgan, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs, UBS, Rothschild & Cie, Schroders, Google etc?
As someone wrote in the Guardian "When a Black person makes a mistake, it’s treated as collective – and used to undermine the very principle that Black people should be in these spaces,” one Black academic said this week, describing the impact of Jason Arday’s case on his peers"
Your white persecution complex is a joke. Just like blokes who think feminism has gone too far. When a simple glance at who holds the senior positions at our Universities shows, despite years of improvements- it's still dominated by the same privileged groups. |  | | |
| Jason Arday on 15:52 - Aug 16 with 2075 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Jason Arday on 10:29 - Aug 16 by Sonic_Hoop |
He won't be the first, or the last, to have manoeuvred themselves into a lofty position even though their actual work crumbles under scrutiny. In academia like in other areas, titles, accolades and access attracts more of the same.
Matt Goodwin, whose latest self-published work has been torn to pieces for everything from using ai to simply inaccurate handling of data, has made a career advising everyone from the boardrooms of global finance to academic networks with links to discredited race science and eugenics.
Who do you think has the power here? The poor academic teaching and publishing in academia or the one with engagements with financial giants including JPMorgan, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs, UBS, Rothschild & Cie, Schroders, Google etc?
As someone wrote in the Guardian "When a Black person makes a mistake, it’s treated as collective – and used to undermine the very principle that Black people should be in these spaces,” one Black academic said this week, describing the impact of Jason Arday’s case on his peers"
Your white persecution complex is a joke. Just like blokes who think feminism has gone too far. When a simple glance at who holds the senior positions at our Universities shows, despite years of improvements- it's still dominated by the same privileged groups. |
Your argument is fundamentally flawed for 2 key reasons:
(1) You've somehow interpreted my post as white persecution complex when it is anything but. That speaks volumes about you and your subconscious racism.
(2) You're quoting the Guardian as if everyone holds that tatterdemalion publication as the oracle of truth. Even that bias rag recognised the seriousness of the scandal and acknowledged the deep issues with modern academia.
For avoidance of doubt, let me be crystal clear. Anyone, regardless of race, who has manoeuvred themselves into a lofty position through lies and deception, or is complicit in manoeuvring another, should be held to account. Hence, why I stated that the 3 white professors on the hiring board should also lose their roles. The fact that those senior professors happen to be female is of no consequence to me but is clearly lost on you. [Post edited 16 Aug 15:54]
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| Jason Arday on 16:43 - Aug 16 with 1985 views | TwoHalves |
| Jason Arday on 15:52 - Aug 16 by Benny_the_Ball |
Your argument is fundamentally flawed for 2 key reasons:
(1) You've somehow interpreted my post as white persecution complex when it is anything but. That speaks volumes about you and your subconscious racism.
(2) You're quoting the Guardian as if everyone holds that tatterdemalion publication as the oracle of truth. Even that bias rag recognised the seriousness of the scandal and acknowledged the deep issues with modern academia.
For avoidance of doubt, let me be crystal clear. Anyone, regardless of race, who has manoeuvred themselves into a lofty position through lies and deception, or is complicit in manoeuvring another, should be held to account. Hence, why I stated that the 3 white professors on the hiring board should also lose their roles. The fact that those senior professors happen to be female is of no consequence to me but is clearly lost on you. [Post edited 16 Aug 15:54]
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Guessing you’re not a Guardian man then, Benny.
Out of curiosity, what would be your go-to sources for news, opinion and current affairs?
Serious question, genuinely interested. | | | |
| Jason Arday on 18:11 - Aug 16 with 1834 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Jason Arday on 15:52 - Aug 16 by Benny_the_Ball |
Your argument is fundamentally flawed for 2 key reasons:
(1) You've somehow interpreted my post as white persecution complex when it is anything but. That speaks volumes about you and your subconscious racism.
(2) You're quoting the Guardian as if everyone holds that tatterdemalion publication as the oracle of truth. Even that bias rag recognised the seriousness of the scandal and acknowledged the deep issues with modern academia.
For avoidance of doubt, let me be crystal clear. Anyone, regardless of race, who has manoeuvred themselves into a lofty position through lies and deception, or is complicit in manoeuvring another, should be held to account. Hence, why I stated that the 3 white professors on the hiring board should also lose their roles. The fact that those senior professors happen to be female is of no consequence to me but is clearly lost on you. [Post edited 16 Aug 15:54]
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Your argument isn't even an argument. I referenced a quote in the Guardian, not by them.
Your criticism of those 3 women referenced claims that their (completely valid) concerns with the whiteness of both the curriculum and the structural bias in education should be a contributary factor in them to losing their roles. That puts a hole in your nonsense claims of neutrality even before your ludicrous idea of anti-white racism. | | | |
| Jason Arday on 18:43 - Aug 16 with 1767 views | kensalriser |
| Jason Arday on 16:43 - Aug 16 by TwoHalves |
Guessing you’re not a Guardian man then, Benny.
Out of curiosity, what would be your go-to sources for news, opinion and current affairs?
Serious question, genuinely interested. |
I got this - I reckon it's Der Sturmer. |  |
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| Jason Arday on 19:32 - Aug 16 with 1666 views | monners1969 |
This thread is such a reflection of life now
Everyone has to have a side
We become more and more polarised
Leading to further division in every walk of life
I didn’t know him, but my thoughts are with his family right now
Look for the good in people - it may make us all happier |  | | |
| Jason Arday on 19:35 - Aug 16 with 1649 views | Logman |
As the OP on this I don't really have the political education or sufficient knowledge of the events to make any valid contributions to the ongoing social debate.
In fairness, I'd just wanted to acknowledge that Jason Arday was an upstanding guy and it was criminal how he was put under the microscope by the media to the extent that he felt the world was against him and there was no way out.
The investigation should have been dealt with internally and not escalated into a trial by the national press. I hope there is a properly conducted inquiry into his appointment and relentless harassment and that the people responsible are held to account. | | | |
| Jason Arday on 19:47 - Aug 16 with 1577 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Jason Arday on 19:35 - Aug 16 by Logman |
As the OP on this I don't really have the political education or sufficient knowledge of the events to make any valid contributions to the ongoing social debate.
In fairness, I'd just wanted to acknowledge that Jason Arday was an upstanding guy and it was criminal how he was put under the microscope by the media to the extent that he felt the world was against him and there was no way out.
The investigation should have been dealt with internally and not escalated into a trial by the national press. I hope there is a properly conducted inquiry into his appointment and relentless harassment and that the people responsible are held to account. |
Ultimately, there’s only one person responsible for this and that is Jason Arday. | |
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| Jason Arday on 20:00 - Aug 16 with 1526 views | TwoHalves |
| Jason Arday on 19:32 - Aug 16 by monners1969 |
This thread is such a reflection of life now
Everyone has to have a side
We become more and more polarised
Leading to further division in every walk of life
I didn’t know him, but my thoughts are with his family right now
Look for the good in people - it may make us all happier |
Nice sentiments, Monners, truly. But while money, power and influence continues to feed off polarisation and division nothing’s going to change anytime soon.
It’s a wonderful world, isn’t it. | | | |
| Jason Arday on 20:09 - Aug 16 with 1500 views | TwoHalves |
| Jason Arday on 19:47 - Aug 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Ultimately, there’s only one person responsible for this and that is Jason Arday. |
That was a quick inquiry. | | | |
| Jason Arday on 20:16 - Aug 16 with 1474 views | Pindarus |
He had a flawed history and a numer of faults. But no person should be hounded in this way. People at Cambridge and in the media should be examining themselves and their movation very closely. | | | |
| Jason Arday on 20:21 - Aug 16 with 1444 views | monners1969 |
| Jason Arday on 20:00 - Aug 16 by TwoHalves |
Nice sentiments, Monners, truly. But while money, power and influence continues to feed off polarisation and division nothing’s going to change anytime soon.
It’s a wonderful world, isn’t it. |
I always come back to the poem desiderata - everyone should learn it before they leave school or sign up for social media …
There is undeniable prejudices all across society - and whilst I completely recognise that’s always been the case - I’ll always keep calling it out and try and bring people together
Sport of course is often a place where people can often come together despite all sorts of differences | | | |
| Jason Arday on 20:21 - Aug 16 with 1442 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Jason Arday on 19:35 - Aug 16 by Logman |
As the OP on this I don't really have the political education or sufficient knowledge of the events to make any valid contributions to the ongoing social debate.
In fairness, I'd just wanted to acknowledge that Jason Arday was an upstanding guy and it was criminal how he was put under the microscope by the media to the extent that he felt the world was against him and there was no way out.
The investigation should have been dealt with internally and not escalated into a trial by the national press. I hope there is a properly conducted inquiry into his appointment and relentless harassment and that the people responsible are held to account. |
Unfortunately, if you report a journalist to the police claiming harassment while doing his job as Mr Arday did when emailed by The Times Jack Grove, then he will be put under the microscope. That is down to him. He escalated it.
A free press is the bedrock of a free and democratic society. Whether they're investigating and exposing lies such as those of Mr Arday or corruption of £5m donations to Mr Farage, the press have a duty to investigate no matter where it takes them.
Without those journalists, there would be no Watergate, the Profumo Affair, the Expenses Scandal etc etc.
People should be very careful when demonising journalists and a free press. Those that do usually have something to hide. Just look at President Trump, Mr. Farage, or Mr. Arday. | |
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| Jason Arday on 20:21 - Aug 16 with 1436 views | KensalT |
| Jason Arday on 19:47 - Aug 16 by Beckenhamhoop |
Ultimately, there’s only one person responsible for this and that is Jason Arday. |
I disagree.
It's the system that's rotten, not the individual.
I'm not going to defend Jason Arday. He clearly should never have risen as far as he did. But he did nothing to deserve the public flaying he got from sections of the media.
A friend of mine used to be a professor of medicine at one of the Russell Group universities. I can remember her telling me years ago that she wanted to fail one of her research students for extensive plagiarism. The university wouldn't let her. Got to keep those fees rolling in. Fails don't look good in the stats!!
What really grinds my gears in all of this is that one of Arday's most vocal critics has been Toby Young.
For anyone who doesn't know Toby Young didn't get the grades to get into Oxford until his daddy pulled a few strings to get him in.
And the greatest irony of all. Toby Young's dad invented the term meritocracy:
"God loves a trier and high-ranking media execs love a chancer. Certainly some kind of all-powerful deity must be looking out for the Tobys. I’m not saying they always land on their feet but to get into Cambridge University I needed 11 A-grade GCSEs, four A-grade A-levels, plus a Ucas statement stuffed with enough extra-credit activities to make Malala Yousafzai look like a slouch. To get into Oxford, Young needed, by his own admission, two Bs and a C at A-level, plus a phone call from his dad. Who was Toby Young’s dad? Baron Young of Dartington, a pioneering sociologist who also — you’ll enjoy this — happened to coin the word “meritocracy”.
https://www.standard.co.uk/com |  | | |
| Jason Arday on 20:30 - Aug 16 with 1358 views | TwoHalves |
| Jason Arday on 20:21 - Aug 16 by KensalT |
I disagree.
It's the system that's rotten, not the individual.
I'm not going to defend Jason Arday. He clearly should never have risen as far as he did. But he did nothing to deserve the public flaying he got from sections of the media.
A friend of mine used to be a professor of medicine at one of the Russell Group universities. I can remember her telling me years ago that she wanted to fail one of her research students for extensive plagiarism. The university wouldn't let her. Got to keep those fees rolling in. Fails don't look good in the stats!!
What really grinds my gears in all of this is that one of Arday's most vocal critics has been Toby Young.
For anyone who doesn't know Toby Young didn't get the grades to get into Oxford until his daddy pulled a few strings to get him in.
And the greatest irony of all. Toby Young's dad invented the term meritocracy:
"God loves a trier and high-ranking media execs love a chancer. Certainly some kind of all-powerful deity must be looking out for the Tobys. I’m not saying they always land on their feet but to get into Cambridge University I needed 11 A-grade GCSEs, four A-grade A-levels, plus a Ucas statement stuffed with enough extra-credit activities to make Malala Yousafzai look like a slouch. To get into Oxford, Young needed, by his own admission, two Bs and a C at A-level, plus a phone call from his dad. Who was Toby Young’s dad? Baron Young of Dartington, a pioneering sociologist who also — you’ll enjoy this — happened to coin the word “meritocracy”.
https://www.standard.co.uk/com |
Not necessarily expecting a reply, Kensal, but just wondering whether your friend considered resigning as a matter of principle. | | | |
| Jason Arday on 20:43 - Aug 16 with 1324 views | KensalT |
| Jason Arday on 20:30 - Aug 16 by TwoHalves |
Not necessarily expecting a reply, Kensal, but just wondering whether your friend considered resigning as a matter of principle. |
Obviously I'm not going to name any names but she didn't resign over it.
She was very unhappy about it, but not to the point of resignation.
I've actually heard a lot of similar stories about declining standards in the academic world. And a lot of them have been from the "very best universities" both here and in the American Ivy League.
Once it was decided that universities had to be run as businesses it was inevitable that who you know would count for more than what you know. | | | |
| Jason Arday on 20:59 - Aug 16 with 1256 views | TwoHalves |
| Jason Arday on 20:43 - Aug 16 by KensalT |
Obviously I'm not going to name any names but she didn't resign over it.
She was very unhappy about it, but not to the point of resignation.
I've actually heard a lot of similar stories about declining standards in the academic world. And a lot of them have been from the "very best universities" both here and in the American Ivy League.
Once it was decided that universities had to be run as businesses it was inevitable that who you know would count for more than what you know. |
Appreciate the reply. An uncomfortable and frustrating position to be in, for sure. Can’t say I resigned either back in the 80’s when I was working for a dodgy wine/continental lager importer in Brighton.
The South African Embassy was one of our customers and I had to deliver several cases of Castle lager there every week, despite being supremely reluctant to do so.
Thing is, no one would have noticed if I had refused. I would have been out of a job and he would’ve just got someone else to do it anyway.
But I digress (as usual) … | | | |
| Jason Arday on 21:02 - Aug 16 with 1230 views | BlackCrowe |
It's a tragic story and he, Cambridge Uni and the media come out with zero credit
Twain: "If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." |  |
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| Jason Arday on 22:34 - Aug 16 with 1068 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Jason Arday on 20:43 - Aug 16 by KensalT |
Obviously I'm not going to name any names but she didn't resign over it.
She was very unhappy about it, but not to the point of resignation.
I've actually heard a lot of similar stories about declining standards in the academic world. And a lot of them have been from the "very best universities" both here and in the American Ivy League.
Once it was decided that universities had to be run as businesses it was inevitable that who you know would count for more than what you know. |
Yeah, run as a business but with the restrictions of a charity. | | | |
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