| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 01:49 - Oct 29 with 2042 views | VancouverHoop |
Interesting. The club's new policy of handing out longish contracts to young and/or relatively inexperienced players continues. I wonder if this is to prevent the kind of player turnover we've experienced over the past couple of seasons, and the type of contractual impasse with Manning and BOS? It makes sense from that perspective, though it puts more pressure on the coaching and development staff to turn the ducklings into swans. |  | |  |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 06:42 - Oct 29 with 1954 views | Lblock |
The last time we did this, Chris Gieler, it went badly. Very, very badly.
Hopefully the club has identified key development potential in these lads but it’s the people making the decisions I really question
Having said that, Ozzie Kakay is testament to this policy and I’d already value him at £750k. If he continues the season the way he’s started he’ll be £1.5mill by the end of it |  |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 08:01 - Oct 29 with 1891 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 06:42 - Oct 29 by Lblock |
The last time we did this, Chris Gieler, it went badly. Very, very badly.
Hopefully the club has identified key development potential in these lads but it’s the people making the decisions I really question
Having said that, Ozzie Kakay is testament to this policy and I’d already value him at £750k. If he continues the season the way he’s started he’ll be £1.5mill by the end of it |
LB, I have it on very good authority that these lads are on a very small basic.
The last time as you say was nonsense and that generation were vastly overpaid. |  |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 08:07 - Oct 29 with 1885 views | Watford_Ranger |
Already starting to feel that Carroll is wasting a probably relatively sizeable wage and place in the squad when this kid could be getting a chance. A wage that could have perhaps been put towards securing Manning re-signing. Sigh. | | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 08:09 - Oct 29 with 1879 views | stevec |
Wonder if we are preparing for League One.
Not 100% on this but, at the moment, I think if players are contracted they don’t immediately come under the remit of League One wage cap, at least not until the contract runs out.
Starting to wonder if League One is the long term plan. Say we’re on £17m wages now, under their wage cap that gradually reduces to £2.5m, a saving of £14.5m less say £5m of TV money, we’d still be nearly £10m better off each season. Factor in our crowds wouldn’t decline much, if at all, going on our previous stint down there, you have to wonder if the Board have decided to throw the towel in. |  | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 09:09 - Oct 29 with 1821 views | QPRSteve |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 06:42 - Oct 29 by Lblock |
The last time we did this, Chris Gieler, it went badly. Very, very badly.
Hopefully the club has identified key development potential in these lads but it’s the people making the decisions I really question
Having said that, Ozzie Kakay is testament to this policy and I’d already value him at £750k. If he continues the season the way he’s started he’ll be £1.5mill by the end of it |
Bit different I think. Weren't they all 15 or 16 year olds? | | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 09:16 - Oct 29 with 1803 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 08:09 - Oct 29 by stevec |
Wonder if we are preparing for League One.
Not 100% on this but, at the moment, I think if players are contracted they don’t immediately come under the remit of League One wage cap, at least not until the contract runs out.
Starting to wonder if League One is the long term plan. Say we’re on £17m wages now, under their wage cap that gradually reduces to £2.5m, a saving of £14.5m less say £5m of TV money, we’d still be nearly £10m better off each season. Factor in our crowds wouldn’t decline much, if at all, going on our previous stint down there, you have to wonder if the Board have decided to throw the towel in. |
I really hope any long term planning wouldn't involve League 1. What a lack of ambition that would be.
I would be joining L Blocks merry band if that is the case. |  |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 09:40 - Oct 29 with 1755 views | DieByYourSide |
 So they've spent about £8m this Summer in a bid to get relegated, yeah? | |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 10:06 - Oct 29 with 1704 views | nix |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 09:16 - Oct 29 by CroydonCaptJack |
I really hope any long term planning wouldn't involve League 1. What a lack of ambition that would be.
I would be joining L Blocks merry band if that is the case. |
Maybe but SteveC is just making this up. Absolutely zero evidence that this is the case. His only argument is that we've been losing a few matches. and we've tried to buy people who haven't got a proven record in the Championship. That's because we're trying to add value, which has been the policy for a while now. Not all of them have come off yet, but for goodness sake, in Eze we've made more money as a club from one player than we've done in decades.
Bonne, Dykes and Dickie have only played a few games each. Bit harsh to write them off as not Championship level yet. But to say it's part of a deliberate strategy to be in League 1 is ridiculous. |  | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 10:20 - Oct 29 with 1685 views | Myke |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 06:42 - Oct 29 by Lblock |
The last time we did this, Chris Gieler, it went badly. Very, very badly.
Hopefully the club has identified key development potential in these lads but it’s the people making the decisions I really question
Having said that, Ozzie Kakay is testament to this policy and I’d already value him at £750k. If he continues the season the way he’s started he’ll be £1.5mill by the end of it |
Kakay is a good lad who tries hard and undoubtedly deserves his chance. But equally undoubtedly his form will dip at some point and I hope when that happens Warburton (or whoever) takes him out of the firing line and plays Kane for a few weeks to give Kakay a breather. Kane is a solid pro, with good championship experience so would be happy enough to see him deputise for Kakay from time to time.
I feel that Angel's unplanned departure has accelerated the intended development of Kakay and while he has certainly stepped up, he will need a few 'time outs' too | | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 12:41 - Oct 29 with 1566 views | Antti_Heinola |
I don't have any problem at all with these deals. They're not on big money, and are in and around the first team. If it goes extremely well, they have long deals and we can get fees. If it only goes ok, no harm done. If they turn out to be not good enough, it hasn't cost us much and they won't be hard to shift off the wage bill, and even a pay-off won;t be expensive. Very different to giving youngsters (or even established players) in the past bg, expensive contracts. |  |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 15:06 - Oct 29 with 1436 views | derbyhoop |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 08:09 - Oct 29 by stevec |
Wonder if we are preparing for League One.
Not 100% on this but, at the moment, I think if players are contracted they don’t immediately come under the remit of League One wage cap, at least not until the contract runs out.
Starting to wonder if League One is the long term plan. Say we’re on £17m wages now, under their wage cap that gradually reduces to £2.5m, a saving of £14.5m less say £5m of TV money, we’d still be nearly £10m better off each season. Factor in our crowds wouldn’t decline much, if at all, going on our previous stint down there, you have to wonder if the Board have decided to throw the towel in. |
With all due respect Stevec, are you trying to be controversial?
The fall off in income from Championship to L1 is horrendous.
The aim is to develop players and sell them on. They won't get everything right but they are only offering long term deal to players that are on the verge of/ breaking through to first team level.
Eze was a once in a decade example, but we also made profits on Smithies and Freeman. |  |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 15:11 - Oct 29 with 1428 views | Rangersw12 |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 08:01 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
LB, I have it on very good authority that these lads are on a very small basic.
The last time as you say was nonsense and that generation were vastly overpaid. |
Giving players like Richard Graham contracts of 200k a year or something  | | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 15:17 - Oct 29 with 1417 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 15:11 - Oct 29 by Rangersw12 |
Giving players like Richard Graham contracts of 200k a year or something |
I think it was about 4-5k per week wasn't it?
And about ten players as well, if I remember rightly? | |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 15:22 - Oct 29 with 1400 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 15:17 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think it was about 4-5k per week wasn't it?
And about ten players as well, if I remember rightly? |
it's all right us being like this now, but at the time our fanbase in general was screaming about making sure we secure our youth and pay our best players enough to stay.
There were very few dissenting voices at the time. | |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 15:23 - Oct 29 with 1396 views | bosh67 |
The 4 year contracts are to try and bring the best out of players over 2 years and then sell on and repeat the process. Very similar to what Ajax do at a higher level. Would have also got us out of what's happened with Manning and now by the looks of it BOS on final years. |  |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 17:31 - Oct 29 with 1310 views | NorthantsHoop |
Get him in the starting 11, reckon he looks a good prospect in limited times seen him, looks like he is comfortable on the ball, give him a go now, need to take risks, Carroll too lightweight in midfield. |  | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 17:42 - Oct 29 with 1293 views | LazyFan |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 17:31 - Oct 29 by NorthantsHoop |
Get him in the starting 11, reckon he looks a good prospect in limited times seen him, looks like he is comfortable on the ball, give him a go now, need to take risks, Carroll too lightweight in midfield. |
Yeah, I agree Carroll offers nothing. I would give Faysal a go and see what happens. Maybe he can actually work better with Chair and we can see them together creating opportunities for our forwards who have had little to work off. |  |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 18:24 - Oct 29 with 1241 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 15:22 - Oct 29 by Antti_Heinola |
it's all right us being like this now, but at the time our fanbase in general was screaming about making sure we secure our youth and pay our best players enough to stay.
There were very few dissenting voices at the time. |
Wasn't there panic about losing the for nothing, maybe as part of the Bosman rule coming in? | |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 18:32 - Oct 29 with 1224 views | Lblock |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 09:40 - Oct 29 by DieByYourSide |
So they've spent about £8m this Summer in a bid to get relegated, yeah? |
Build that figure up for me old chap will you? | |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 19:50 - Oct 29 with 1190 views | stevec |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 10:06 - Oct 29 by nix |
Maybe but SteveC is just making this up. Absolutely zero evidence that this is the case. His only argument is that we've been losing a few matches. and we've tried to buy people who haven't got a proven record in the Championship. That's because we're trying to add value, which has been the policy for a while now. Not all of them have come off yet, but for goodness sake, in Eze we've made more money as a club from one player than we've done in decades.
Bonne, Dykes and Dickie have only played a few games each. Bit harsh to write them off as not Championship level yet. But to say it's part of a deliberate strategy to be in League 1 is ridiculous. |
Speculating rather than making it up.
Admit It is unlikely but we seem to be going very strong on tying in players who’ve barely figured in the first team. Possible insurance policy against a calamity. | | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 08:49 - Oct 30 with 1087 views | DieByYourSide |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 18:32 - Oct 29 by Lblock |
Build that figure up for me old chap will you? |
Dickie £2m-£2.5m
Bonne £2m
Dykes £2m
Amos £500k
Willock £750k | |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 10:00 - Oct 30 with 1019 views | LazyFan |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 08:49 - Oct 30 by DieByYourSide |
Dickie £2m-£2.5m
Bonne £2m
Dykes £2m
Amos £500k
Willock £750k |
All guesses with no real knowledge but I thought it was (without addons) ...
Dickie £1.9m
Bonne £1.5m
Dykes £2m
Amos £500k
Willock £750k
Kellman £395k
My math is rubbish but I think that makes £7m of the £14.9m Eze money.
Leaving us £7.9m to live off. | |
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| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 12:11 - Oct 30 with 949 views | Myke |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 10:00 - Oct 30 by LazyFan |
All guesses with no real knowledge but I thought it was (without addons) ...
Dickie £1.9m
Bonne £1.5m
Dykes £2m
Amos £500k
Willock £750k
Kellman £395k
My math is rubbish but I think that makes £7m of the £14.9m Eze money.
Leaving us £7.9m to live off. |
Didn't think there was a fee for Amos, and if we paid 1.5 m for Bonne, I would be amazed. | | | |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 12:25 - Oct 30 with 923 views | danehoop |
| Faysal Bettache extends QPR stay to 2023 on 12:11 - Oct 30 by Myke |
Didn't think there was a fee for Amos, and if we paid 1.5 m for Bonne, I would be amazed. |
The Bonne one was a deal that "could be worth as much as 2M"
Very big emphasis on the "could" part of that deal. I think it unlikely we would have paid much more than 1M upfront on that deal. Given we now have a very savvy chief executive on these things a great deal of the add on element is going to be linked to high levels of appearance and personal/club achievements. He was also bought, along with Dykes, as players that will improve within our "microwave." Not sure we have yet got much past the defrost setting with either him or Dykes yet, but difficult to tell at this point. Definitely good potential there. |  |
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