| Chair 22:21 - Feb 9 with 3811 views | traininvain |
I couldn’t tell if he went off injured or tired? Maybe still getting back to full match fitness after AFCON?
We could really do with Chair and Willock lasting the full 90 mins in these big games. Or at least one of them. I know Willock was on the pitch till the end but he barely had a kick the last 20-30 mins.
To be fair Willock took a bit of a knock in the second half and might be the reason he struggled afterwards. Also didn’t help that we were being overwhelmed in midfield.
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| Chair on 22:27 - Feb 9 with 3231 views | numptydumpty |
Sports science I feel was behind the decision to take him off.
If he was injured, I stand corrected.
Ie Maybe Warburton was playing that card but if it was that reason to be fair I was totally AGAINST it.
We just conceded a dodgy own goal and immediately replace our best player to date.
I know I jave hindsight but found it weird and baffling at the time anyhow.
Strange moment to hook him off after the goal so must have had an injury surely.
Appreciate we do this thing where perhaps they say he fatigued after long journey home but sometimes I not keen on going by the stats.
I think the belief he could get an injury if playing full 90 minutes.
Be interested hear warburtons thinking behind it.
We were awful for rest of game. |  |
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| Chair on 22:30 - Feb 9 with 3192 views | Sharpy36 |
Without going through the trouble of looking back over the previous games this season i would say that neither of them are on the pitch from the 60 minute mark very often. Hence the reason MW wanting another playmaker to fill that void.
Edit. Neither of them at the same time. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 22:37]
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| Chair on 22:35 - Feb 9 with 3140 views | traininvain |
| Chair on 22:30 - Feb 9 by Sharpy36 |
Without going through the trouble of looking back over the previous games this season i would say that neither of them are on the pitch from the 60 minute mark very often. Hence the reason MW wanting another playmaker to fill that void.
Edit. Neither of them at the same time. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 22:37]
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It’s another one for Warburton to consider. Ideally both start and play the full 90 mins. But if that’s not realistic then do you look to bring on Chair in the second half of these big games.
Not saying it’s the ideal solution as I want them both on the pitch for the whole game. However, if that’s not going to happen then we’ll need to adapt. | | | |
| Chair on 22:36 - Feb 9 with 3137 views | numptydumpty |
| Chair on 22:30 - Feb 9 by Sharpy36 |
Without going through the trouble of looking back over the previous games this season i would say that neither of them are on the pitch from the 60 minute mark very often. Hence the reason MW wanting another playmaker to fill that void.
Edit. Neither of them at the same time. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 22:37]
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Why would you think our best two players are always played for not the full 90 is a correct way to go when we not in winning positions and they are two best creators and both can score also.
Chair hardly played in AFCON tournament and they professionals so these kind of decisions I personally need to understand. But it was strange. | |
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| Chair on 22:42 - Feb 9 with 3071 views | distortR |
| Chair on 22:36 - Feb 9 by numptydumpty |
Why would you think our best two players are always played for not the full 90 is a correct way to go when we not in winning positions and they are two best creators and both can score also.
Chair hardly played in AFCON tournament and they professionals so these kind of decisions I personally need to understand. But it was strange. |
6 games in 18 days suggests we will have to rest players at times. I wouldn't be surprised if Willock is taken off after 60 on saturday.
On Willock, the blokes a trooper, the minutes he plays and the kicks he gets. |  | | |
| Chair on 22:46 - Feb 9 with 3045 views | wombat |
| Chair on 22:36 - Feb 9 by numptydumpty |
Why would you think our best two players are always played for not the full 90 is a correct way to go when we not in winning positions and they are two best creators and both can score also.
Chair hardly played in AFCON tournament and they professionals so these kind of decisions I personally need to understand. But it was strange. |
Just got home and still no idea why chair came off, we started the second half brilliantly high press got the goal from it , soon as Hendricks come on it was game over to defensive dykes isolated up front and willock being double marked again , if chair had to go off why not Amos coming on keeps the work rate going and an extra man in midfield , Made zero sense taking him off for Hendricks when we was chasing a winner |  |
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| Chair on 22:49 - Feb 9 with 3023 views | Sharpy36 |
| Chair on 22:35 - Feb 9 by traininvain |
It’s another one for Warburton to consider. Ideally both start and play the full 90 mins. But if that’s not realistic then do you look to bring on Chair in the second half of these big games.
Not saying it’s the ideal solution as I want them both on the pitch for the whole game. However, if that’s not going to happen then we’ll need to adapt. |
Glad he`s the manager and not me. But both play with great intensity, but with that comes fatigue, so yes it could be a game of two halves for them both, but with that outlook it then becomes a gamble should we get an injury and have to revert to a plan B where we then lose that attacking threat in the second 45. | |
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| Chair on 22:55 - Feb 9 with 2966 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Chair on 22:46 - Feb 9 by wombat |
Just got home and still no idea why chair came off, we started the second half brilliantly high press got the goal from it , soon as Hendricks come on it was game over to defensive dykes isolated up front and willock being double marked again , if chair had to go off why not Amos coming on keeps the work rate going and an extra man in midfield , Made zero sense taking him off for Hendricks when we was chasing a winner |
Taking Chair off was the obvious sub for me, and needed to be done. They were absolutely running at our midfield at a canter, and we needed an extra body. You wouldn't take of Willy, as he was rested on Sat, so it had to be Illy.
The mistake for me was when Stef went off injured bringing on Gray and not Amos. |  |
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| Chair on 22:58 - Feb 9 with 2932 views | BlackCrowe |
He was bringing on Amos and for some reason changed his mind at the last minute. |  |
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| Chair on 23:01 - Feb 9 with 2917 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Chair on 22:58 - Feb 9 by BlackCrowe |
He was bringing on Amos and for some reason changed his mind at the last minute. |
From where I was sitting he called Gray back to the bench 2-3 mins before he came on to get changed while Amos remained warming up - didn't look like last minute to me - but maybe you saw something I didn't, Crowe? | |
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| Chair on 23:30 - Feb 9 with 2784 views | BlackCrowe |
Sit close to duggout and heard MW say "Lukey, get ready". | |
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| Chair on 23:37 - Feb 9 with 2755 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Chair on 23:30 - Feb 9 by BlackCrowe |
Sit close to duggout and heard MW say "Lukey, get ready". |
Could he have been saying 'Gray-ey'? ;) | |
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| Chair on 23:49 - Feb 9 with 2676 views | nix |
| Chair on 22:55 - Feb 9 by Antti_Heinola |
Taking Chair off was the obvious sub for me, and needed to be done. They were absolutely running at our midfield at a canter, and we needed an extra body. You wouldn't take of Willy, as he was rested on Sat, so it had to be Illy.
The mistake for me was when Stef went off injured bringing on Gray and not Amos. |
I thought we needed to take Chair off when he was too. They were just doing too much damage to us and we couldn't hold onto possession. It was unfortunate that he'd got Hendrick ready to come on for quite a while when they were battering us and the ball didn't go out for a throw in or goal kick so he couldn't make the substitution and then they scored. |  | | |
| Chair on 23:54 - Feb 9 with 2648 views | stevec |
Warburton was likely cursing the fact he hadn’t taken Chair off a bit earlier. Prior to their second there must have been 3 or 4 minutes of Boro swarming round our area without us barely having a touch.
I thought Hendrick calmed it all down a bit. |  | | |
| Chair on 00:13 - Feb 10 with 2577 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
I thought Warburton got it just about right really. I hope we get to see that starting 11 against worst sides than Boro. Hendrick looks like a good alternative to JoJo more than anything further forward.
We can't keep our highest level of performance over 90 minutes against the better sides. We could have easily lost that it was a good point.
I think if you played that same fixture 42 times in a season there would be 4 goals every time. With a different outcome for each. Very happy with 4 points from Boro. |  |
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| Chair on 07:22 - Feb 10 with 2401 views | traininvain |
| Chair on 00:13 - Feb 10 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I thought Warburton got it just about right really. I hope we get to see that starting 11 against worst sides than Boro. Hendrick looks like a good alternative to JoJo more than anything further forward.
We can't keep our highest level of performance over 90 minutes against the better sides. We could have easily lost that it was a good point.
I think if you played that same fixture 42 times in a season there would be 4 goals every time. With a different outcome for each. Very happy with 4 points from Boro. |
Starting 11 was spot on. But we really needed Amos in the second half for his energy instead of Gray. Nothing against Gray but having two strikers on the pitch was a luxury that we couldn’t afford.
On reflection the situation wasn’t helped by Chair and Jojo needing to go off with Willock struggling soon afterwards due to being kicked again. A unique set of circumstances that left us short of three key players to retain possession and hopefully won’t happen again any time soon. | | | |
| Chair on 07:54 - Feb 10 with 2278 views | Phildo |
I did think that second goal was coming for about five minutes and really think we sometimes lack the on pitch smarts to sh;thouse by somebody going down injured to calm it all down |  | | |
| Chair on 07:58 - Feb 10 with 2260 views | dmm |
| Chair on 07:22 - Feb 10 by traininvain |
Starting 11 was spot on. But we really needed Amos in the second half for his energy instead of Gray. Nothing against Gray but having two strikers on the pitch was a luxury that we couldn’t afford.
On reflection the situation wasn’t helped by Chair and Jojo needing to go off with Willock struggling soon afterwards due to being kicked again. A unique set of circumstances that left us short of three key players to retain possession and hopefully won’t happen again any time soon. |
I've just read that Johansen had a stomach bug which makes sense as I thought there was something not quite right with him last night. |  | | |
| Chair on 10:04 - Feb 10 with 2005 views | PinnerPaul |
| Chair on 23:49 - Feb 9 by nix |
I thought we needed to take Chair off when he was too. They were just doing too much damage to us and we couldn't hold onto possession. It was unfortunate that he'd got Hendrick ready to come on for quite a while when they were battering us and the ball didn't go out for a throw in or goal kick so he couldn't make the substitution and then they scored. |
Yes I agree, that's the 'problem' with Chair if we come up against a decent midfield, its too much, defensively, for Field and SJ to cope with as Illias rarely makes a tackle or interception, unlike Amos - BUT of course Illias is far more creative/dangerous than Amos - not an easy one to solve. | | | |
| Chair on 10:31 - Feb 10 with 1958 views | derbyhoop |
I thought JoJo was struggling when he went off |  |
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| Chair on 11:22 - Feb 10 with 1880 views | nix |
| Chair on 10:04 - Feb 10 by PinnerPaul |
Yes I agree, that's the 'problem' with Chair if we come up against a decent midfield, its too much, defensively, for Field and SJ to cope with as Illias rarely makes a tackle or interception, unlike Amos - BUT of course Illias is far more creative/dangerous than Amos - not an easy one to solve. |
Yes, it's a difficult one.
I wonder if Warburton was saving Amos for Barnsley on Saturday and other upcoming games. It didn't look like we were going to beat Middlesbrough yesterday, even if he'd come on, as they looked so confident and well-drilled, and you get three points whether you beat Barnsley or Fulham. | | | |
| Chair on 11:38 - Feb 10 with 1829 views | robith |
It was the most sports science sub I've ever seen |  | | |
| Chair on 11:48 - Feb 10 with 1784 views | PinnerPaul |
| Chair on 07:58 - Feb 10 by dmm |
I've just read that Johansen had a stomach bug which makes sense as I thought there was something not quite right with him last night. |
He seemed to limp off as well. Signalled to the bench he wanted to come off - so as you say, clearly something was amiss. | | | |
| Chair on 11:49 - Feb 10 with 1772 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Chair on 11:48 - Feb 10 by PinnerPaul |
He seemed to limp off as well. Signalled to the bench he wanted to come off - so as you say, clearly something was amiss. |
He looked unwell and was clutching his stomach as he walked past us last night. |  |
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| Chair on 11:51 - Feb 10 with 1762 views | daveB |
| Chair on 11:48 - Feb 10 by PinnerPaul |
He seemed to limp off as well. Signalled to the bench he wanted to come off - so as you say, clearly something was amiss. |
He had a stomach bug according to Warburton after the game |  | | |
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