| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:18 - May 3 with 9347 views | Northernr |
Hmmmmm, not promising at all. A lot of rumours going around, several confirmed here.
Did think there were a few hints in this direction in our Paul Hall interview.
Heard there has been some tension over the youth teams not playing the same back three system as the first team. Academy players they wanted to move over to Harlington for first team training were refused, or even physically sent back, because they were deemed incapable of playing the back three.
He never wanted to pick Kakay in the first place, basically got talked into it by Ramsey and then didn't look great when Kakay initially played really well - you could argue he's since been proven right. Also Warbs never has rated Masterson, and again didn't look great when Masterson came in out of desperation and played well.
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:24 - May 3 with 9287 views | daveB |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:18 - May 3 by Northernr |
Hmmmmm, not promising at all. A lot of rumours going around, several confirmed here.
Did think there were a few hints in this direction in our Paul Hall interview.
Heard there has been some tension over the youth teams not playing the same back three system as the first team. Academy players they wanted to move over to Harlington for first team training were refused, or even physically sent back, because they were deemed incapable of playing the back three.
He never wanted to pick Kakay in the first place, basically got talked into it by Ramsey and then didn't look great when Kakay initially played really well - you could argue he's since been proven right. Also Warbs never has rated Masterson, and again didn't look great when Masterson came in out of desperation and played well.
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Yeah the Paul Hall interview hinted at problems, we have gone massively away from giving kids a chance in the last 18 months but results have been a lot better so really hard to know who is right here. I do think we should have seen a lot more of Bettache and Duke Mckenna this season, not sure Dozzell is that much better than either of them.
I think this does show what kind of manager they will go for, not your Dyche, Farke type more a development one. Liam Manning is ticking a lot of boxes. if the next manager struggles I'd be surprised if Ferdinand survives that. |  | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:26 - May 3 with 9272 views | Northernr |
I think SDM did enough in the pre-season games and early cup matches to say, at the very least, he might have been a half useful bench option. As Dave Mc says, naming only six subs is a poor look for a club that's meant to be academy focused. We've basically had nobody at all come through this year. Not that I see too many capable of that when I watch the U23s. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:35 - May 3 with 9158 views | switchingcode |
Reading that and if it’s correct then I would suggest the best solution would have been to make Warburton DOF a job he’s previously done successfully unlike the existing 2.Then let him recruit a new manager /coach who report to him. |  | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:35 - May 3 with 9163 views | eastside_r |
Interesting piece. I am going to have a think about this before commenting further. |  | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:36 - May 3 with 9155 views | daveB |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:35 - May 3 by switchingcode |
Reading that and if it’s correct then I would suggest the best solution would have been to make Warburton DOF a job he’s previously done successfully unlike the existing 2.Then let him recruit a new manager /coach who report to him. |
I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back in that role within a few years | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:39 - May 3 with 9114 views | Phildo |
if the DOF thought Niko needed to be persevered with that is terrifying. |  | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:40 - May 3 with 9089 views | Boston |
Looks like the down voted doubters were on to something. | |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:44 - May 3 with 9027 views | PunteR |
Really interesting article. No mention of this new owner disrupting things so I guess we can park that particular rumour.
Most of it though was what most of us thought and have brought up on here.
I'm kind of in the Warburton camp here. If youth players are simply not good enough they shouldn't be just dropped into the 1st team just because its good for our image. The lack of communication is a concern and that points to the DoF in my mind. Surely that's his job to make sure the lines of communication is open rather then try and force issues which are basically unworkable in the professional football world.
I don't think the club look very good atm but if they back up their decisions with a successful season then fair enough. |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:45 - May 3 with 9015 views | paulparker |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:39 - May 3 by Phildo |
if the DOF thought Niko needed to be persevered with that is terrifying. |
Absolutely this
If Les thinks Nico and kaykay are championship full backs then we are completely fooked |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:48 - May 3 with 8978 views | Northernr |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:39 - May 3 by Phildo |
if the DOF thought Niko needed to be persevered with that is terrifying. |
One of the issues here is Hall to a certain extent, Ferdinand to a certain extent, and Ramsey to a massive extent, have to justify their position by pointing to kids making it into the first team. They want to be saying LOOK - FIVE NEW ACADEMY GRADS THIS YEAR.
Whether they're good enough is kind of secondary...
There's an awful lot of cooks at QPR trying to justify a position at the broth pot.
As Dave Mc says if the first team is gunning for promotion fair enough, but if you're finishing sixteenth again with Wallace, Hendricks, Odubajo etc then they'll think you could be doing that cheaper with more development players - particularly if their position at the club is justified by development players getting a chance.
When we interviewed Hall he was talking about how few other clubs have graduated as many to first team as we have. But when you look at the list of youth teamers who made a first team debut in the last six or seven years a hell of a lot got a quick go in a cup game and were never seen again, and lots more arrived at the club late teens from elsewhere (marked with a *)...
Murphy Mahoney, 20, 2(0), debut v Preston April 2022
Aaron Drewe, 21, 0(1), debut v Rotherham FA Cup January 2022
Ody Alfa, 23, 0(1), debut v Oxford League Cup Aug 2021
Stephen Duke-McKenna*, 0(4), debut v Oxford League Cup Aug 2021
Seny Dieng*, 27, 72(0), debut v Middlesbrough September 2020
Joe Gubbins, 20, 0(3), debut v Swansea FA Cup January 2020
Conor Masterson*, 23, 16(4), debut v Swansea FA Cup, January 2020
Deshane Darling, 23, 0(1), debut v Swansea FA Cup, January 2020
Aramide Oteh*, 23, 7(14), debut v Millwall December 2017
Faysal Bettache, 21, 1(12), debut v Bristol Rovers League Cup Aug 2017
Charlie Owens*, 24, 1(2), debut v Bristol Rovers League Cup Aug 2017
Ilias Chair*, 24, 122(26), debut v Northampton League Cup Aug 2017
Ebere Eze*, 23, 94(18), debut v Blackburn FA Cup January 2017
Nico Hamailainen, 25, 22(7), debut v Sunderland League Cup Sep 2016
Osman Kakay, 23, 49(13),debut v Rochdale League Cup Aug 2016
Ryan Manning*, 25, 82(14), debu v Wolves December 2016
Mide Shodipo, 24, 10(23), debut v Leeds August 2016
Joe Lumley*, 27, 83(1), debut v Forest FA Cup January 2016
Darnell Furlong, 26, 65(7), debut v Hull February 2015
Michael Petrasso, 26, 4(9), debut v Barnsley May 2014
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:55 - May 3 with 8880 views | Northernr |
Also the Barbet line in there, as previously discussed, is literally insane. They're so stupid. You're not getting a better centre back than that for free this summer on our budget. He was, again, telling people at the kit sponsor's thing yesterday that he wants to stay.
This attitude of not even talking to the ten out of contract players until the summer is appalling behaviour. Player with all his stuff in storage waiting for a conversation. It's a shtty way to treat staff, and the other players will all see it and think the same, as will potential new incomers. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:57 - May 3 with 8865 views | Rangersw12 |
If anyone at the club thinks our academy players are good enough for the Championship then they're in for a big shock
Don't see an issue with having them on the bench when injuries are a problem but if we start the season with Kakay, Nico, Duke-Mckenna and Bettache in the starting 11 then we are in big trouble
Also the decision to not to give Barbet a contract even though he's been our most consistent performer over the last 18 months is another ridiculous lack of judgement
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:01 - May 3 with 8814 views | BAWHoops |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:26 - May 3 by Northernr |
I think SDM did enough in the pre-season games and early cup matches to say, at the very least, he might have been a half useful bench option. As Dave Mc says, naming only six subs is a poor look for a club that's meant to be academy focused. We've basically had nobody at all come through this year. Not that I see too many capable of that when I watch the U23s. |
On SDM
I was lucky enough to attend a training session at Harlington earlier this season.
It was noticeable how much worse SDM was than all the others. When they played tight games to finish off his touch was worse, decision making worse, physicality worse.
He simply didn't look close to being the required level to be around the first team.
At the time George Thomas wasn't making match day squads and didn't stand out as being bad at all.
Seeing it up close you realise how big the gap is
Also wanted to note that everyone was incredibly polite to me and incredibly welcoming and friendly. |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:02 - May 3 with 8799 views | BAWHoops |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:55 - May 3 by Northernr |
Also the Barbet line in there, as previously discussed, is literally insane. They're so stupid. You're not getting a better centre back than that for free this summer on our budget. He was, again, telling people at the kit sponsor's thing yesterday that he wants to stay.
This attitude of not even talking to the ten out of contract players until the summer is appalling behaviour. Player with all his stuff in storage waiting for a conversation. It's a shtty way to treat staff, and the other players will all see it and think the same, as will potential new incomers. |
Mad thing is we went through this when we let Onouha, Hill, Faurlin, Mackie go.
We treated them all pretty poorly when it came to contract discussions and decisions as well | |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:05 - May 3 with 8761 views | Northernr |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:02 - May 3 by BAWHoops |
Mad thing is we went through this when we let Onouha, Hill, Faurlin, Mackie go.
We treated them all pretty poorly when it came to contract discussions and decisions as well |
Yeh it's been a hallmark of this regime - treating players shoddily at the end of their time. Couple of real good servants among them as well. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:06 - May 3 with 8731 views | TheChef |
No mention of the shady American board member 
Bit yeah sadly it was obvious there were internal issues and I suppose the u23s disconnect was a glaringly obvious one. But is Warbs right?
Once things started going south in February with the internal ructions and contract uncertainties (let alone the key injuries) it proved very difficult to reverse that.
Let alone the large chunk of cash allocated to the Johansen signing, who for me is the biggest disappointment of the season. |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:08 - May 3 with 8708 views | Phildo |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:05 - May 3 by Northernr |
Yeh it's been a hallmark of this regime - treating players shoddily at the end of their time. Couple of real good servants among them as well. |
TF resigning Charlie another nugget. Hope Barton's number has been deleted from his phone. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:08 - May 3 with 8689 views | daveB |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:02 - May 3 by BAWHoops |
Mad thing is we went through this when we let Onouha, Hill, Faurlin, Mackie go.
We treated them all pretty poorly when it came to contract discussions and decisions as well |
It seemed like they had learnt from Hill & Faurlin so when Mackie and Onouha went they had at least been spoken to and knew they wouldn't be getting a new deal quite early but they seem to have gone backwards again now.
Barbet is the headline one but Adomah and Ball deserve better as well, should at least be told by now. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:14 - May 3 with 8603 views | Northernr |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:08 - May 3 by daveB |
It seemed like they had learnt from Hill & Faurlin so when Mackie and Onouha went they had at least been spoken to and knew they wouldn't be getting a new deal quite early but they seem to have gone backwards again now.
Barbet is the headline one but Adomah and Ball deserve better as well, should at least be told by now. |
Adomah, obviously popular at the sponsor's day yesterday, asked repeatedly what the score was and just said he didn't know what was going on and hadn't been spoken to.
It's abysmal.
I know, technically, we didn't know what division we were going to be in but essentially it's been obvious for a couple of months now and even without that there's nothing to stop you having an honest conversation with people, if we go up you'll get this offer, if we stay down we can't afford you, here's the promoted contract here's the one if we stay down etc.
To just leave people who've played very well for us by and large hanging.
And the idea they rate some of these U23s but don't rate Barbet is frightening really. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:15 - May 3 with 8590 views | kropotkin41 |
This all does narrow down the search for a new manager though: miracle worker required; juggling skills essential. |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:17 - May 3 with 8571 views | Northernr |
Another thing here is the FFP, as always. The latest set of accounts look amazing, because it's 'only' a £4m loss. But, actually, it's a £24m loss - one Ebere Eze. You can't lost £24m a year and not breach the rules again. We must be running it very close. The wage bill will have been bigger for the season just gone (next set of accounts) because we added high earners, and we didn't sell anybody. Lose £24m again, and then again next season, and that's you in the sht.
There's a a trio of League One managers we're after but compensation is proving a stumbling block, which tells you how tight this must be getting that we can't even buy somebody out of a League One managerial contract.
Like I say in that context the board will think 'well if you're only going to finish 16th anyway, why are we doing that with expensive older players?'
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:20 - May 3 with 8537 views | slmrstid |
QPR exit crisis by immediately plunging into new crisis.
'Twas ever thus. |  | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:23 - May 3 with 8490 views | daveB |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:14 - May 3 by Northernr |
Adomah, obviously popular at the sponsor's day yesterday, asked repeatedly what the score was and just said he didn't know what was going on and hadn't been spoken to.
It's abysmal.
I know, technically, we didn't know what division we were going to be in but essentially it's been obvious for a couple of months now and even without that there's nothing to stop you having an honest conversation with people, if we go up you'll get this offer, if we stay down we can't afford you, here's the promoted contract here's the one if we stay down etc.
To just leave people who've played very well for us by and large hanging.
And the idea they rate some of these U23s but don't rate Barbet is frightening really. |
It made sense back in Jan/Feb when promotion was realistic but since that Peterbrough game it's been obvious we won't go up so should have been all sorted by now. It's not a good way to do things. We're never far away from a crisis but this has all fallen apart even quicker than the most pessimistic could have predicted | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:26 - May 3 with 8428 views | Northernr |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:23 - May 3 by daveB |
It made sense back in Jan/Feb when promotion was realistic but since that Peterbrough game it's been obvious we won't go up so should have been all sorted by now. It's not a good way to do things. We're never far away from a crisis but this has all fallen apart even quicker than the most pessimistic could have predicted |
Like I say, if not sorted, then at least some preliminary discussions so people know where they stand. | | | |
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