| Cameron / Amos 08:45 - Jan 29 with 2857 views | smuttsontour |
It's clear from a tactical perspective - our defensive woes stem from the lack of bite from or DCMs.. The axis of of Cameron/Amos, a great mix on paper of robust experience and emerging talent should really be dominating in the short space of pitch they are operating in. whilst nobody can fault their passing game at Championship level (bar a few bloopers) it's clear to see they simply cannot get near their man defensively. You could counter argue and say they subscribe to a the Fernandinho-esque school of rotational fouling, but at this level it's simply they haven't got the agility.
Maybe this is a partnership issue - but given the weighted balance of their talent, this shouldn't be the issue.
Solution: Build Dom Ball up to be the water carrier and prevent Eze coming deep to draw out the defence!
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| Cameron / Amos on 08:57 - Jan 29 with 2318 views | LythamR |
I'm afraid I dont think Dom Ball is the solution whichever way you write the equation if we want to improve from our current position. Would be delighted to be proved wrong but i just don't see him having the required improvement potential. |  | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 09:08 - Jan 29 with 2281 views | Hooparoo |
| Cameron / Amos on 08:57 - Jan 29 by LythamR |
I'm afraid I dont think Dom Ball is the solution whichever way you write the equation if we want to improve from our current position. Would be delighted to be proved wrong but i just don't see him having the required improvement potential. |
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| Cameron / Amos on 09:42 - Jan 29 with 2182 views | paulparker |
Lack of bite you say
If only there was a player in midfield who chased people down who never gave in and was not afraid to stick a boot in and not bottle tackles like our loan from spurs
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| Cameron / Amos on 09:47 - Jan 29 with 2167 views | RBlock |
I'd definitely have Dom Ball in my first 11. I think he's more mobile than Cameron, and takes more risks with his passing which drives the team forward. |  | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 09:52 - Jan 29 with 2151 views | WestbourneR |
| Cameron / Amos on 09:47 - Jan 29 by RBlock |
I'd definitely have Dom Ball in my first 11. I think he's more mobile than Cameron, and takes more risks with his passing which drives the team forward. |
Me too. I think he's good player in that position.
Cameron has been hugely underwhelming this season and Amos is a whole bunch of average. |  |
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| Cameron / Amos on 10:33 - Jan 29 with 2076 views | superhoopdownunder |
Was Cameron at fault for the second goal last night? I thought he did not even jump with the guy who scored.
Also I read Cameron went down the tunnel at the end of the game without acknowledging the amazing hardcore 292 fans that made the 200+ miles journey midweek. [Post edited 29 Jan 2020 10:48]
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| Cameron / Amos on 10:40 - Jan 29 with 2047 views | thompsonridd |
Try Manning back in midfield. He's certainly got some bite | | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 10:43 - Jan 29 with 2030 views | bosh67 |
For me the issue is not so much the players but the defensive coaching. Overall Eustace and Warburton are doing a very good job but there is a real issue in the way the defence works in this playing style and its mobility to pick up players quickly enough, especially at set pieces.
The expensive solution is to go out and buy more players. But we have Hall, Leistner, Masterson and Barbet. All of whom are well capable at this level. As are Wallace, Kane etc. The problem for me is that 'the unit' overall in the defence is poorly marshalled because there isn't a set of plans to deal with XYZ coming at it. I have said it several times and been shot down but for me the option of getting in a specialised and recognised defensive coach would be a much more cost effective and logical option. The 'individual mistakes' would start to go. The players aren't that bad. [Post edited 29 Jan 2020 10:45]
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| Cameron / Amos on 10:46 - Jan 29 with 2012 views | Toast_R |
| Cameron / Amos on 10:40 - Jan 29 by thompsonridd |
Try Manning back in midfield. He's certainly got some bite |
Well he's certainly gone off the boil at full back. |  | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 10:50 - Jan 29 with 1989 views | WestbourneR |
| Cameron / Amos on 10:43 - Jan 29 by bosh67 |
For me the issue is not so much the players but the defensive coaching. Overall Eustace and Warburton are doing a very good job but there is a real issue in the way the defence works in this playing style and its mobility to pick up players quickly enough, especially at set pieces.
The expensive solution is to go out and buy more players. But we have Hall, Leistner, Masterson and Barbet. All of whom are well capable at this level. As are Wallace, Kane etc. The problem for me is that 'the unit' overall in the defence is poorly marshalled because there isn't a set of plans to deal with XYZ coming at it. I have said it several times and been shot down but for me the option of getting in a specialised and recognised defensive coach would be a much more cost effective and logical option. The 'individual mistakes' would start to go. The players aren't that bad. [Post edited 29 Jan 2020 10:45]
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I agree. Warburton doesn't appear to be a great coach for defensive stuff (perhaps a bit of an understatement) - and utimately you wins games consistently if your back four is solid. Ask Neil Warnock.
Much prefer to watch this football mind you, lovely return pass from Chair to Hugill last night, he's really stepped it up a gear since he got back in the team. Looks class. | |
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| Cameron / Amos on 10:53 - Jan 29 with 1969 views | dannyblue |
I agree, bar individual errors, this is the problem area in the team.
I'd also play Manning over Amos in that position. He has more tenacity and a better range of passing. Plus he's ours and his value is decreasing as he sits on the bench.
Cameron has imperious games and rubbish games. Dom Ball is more consistent - not caught in possession yet and expert at sucking in the press and getting out of it. I prefer Ball there.
In the last couple games MW has had Eze drop into that two and I don't think it helps. I think Chair would be the best one of the attacking midfielders to move back - his acceleration and desire to close down is excellent and I can see him sweeping up second balls in a way Eze is unlikely to. [Post edited 29 Jan 2020 11:12]
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| Cameron / Amos on 11:09 - Jan 29 with 1919 views | Hunterhoop |
| Cameron / Amos on 09:47 - Jan 29 by RBlock |
I'd definitely have Dom Ball in my first 11. I think he's more mobile than Cameron, and takes more risks with his passing which drives the team forward. |
Completely agree. |  | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 11:41 - Jan 29 with 1857 views | daveB |
very simple solution is to get rid of zonal marking, we concede so many goals with players unmarked at set pieces. Cut those daft goals out and we'd be a lot higher in the league |  | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 11:56 - Jan 29 with 1832 views | WestbourneR |
| Cameron / Amos on 11:41 - Jan 29 by daveB |
very simple solution is to get rid of zonal marking, we concede so many goals with players unmarked at set pieces. Cut those daft goals out and we'd be a lot higher in the league |
Why do some coaches persevere with zonal marking when it's clearly an inferior system? | |
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| Cameron / Amos on 11:58 - Jan 29 with 1817 views | ShotKneesHoop |
| Cameron / Amos on 11:56 - Jan 29 by WestbourneR |
Why do some coaches persevere with zonal marking when it's clearly an inferior system? |
Because it makes it so easy for the opposition to score from corners and set pieces, like the second goal last night. Clean sheets don't seem to be sexy any more. |  |
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| Cameron / Amos on 12:00 - Jan 29 with 1810 views | kensalriser |
We have a very weak defensive midfield and it's literally central to our problems.
Blackburn won last night by pressing us hard and stifling our creative players. We had no answer because we don't have a player that can impose himself in the middle of the pitch. With a Derry/Faurlin type combo this team would be much harder to beat even with the same defence and keeper. |  |
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| Cameron / Amos on 12:49 - Jan 29 with 1716 views | kernowhoop |
| Cameron / Amos on 10:43 - Jan 29 by bosh67 |
For me the issue is not so much the players but the defensive coaching. Overall Eustace and Warburton are doing a very good job but there is a real issue in the way the defence works in this playing style and its mobility to pick up players quickly enough, especially at set pieces.
The expensive solution is to go out and buy more players. But we have Hall, Leistner, Masterson and Barbet. All of whom are well capable at this level. As are Wallace, Kane etc. The problem for me is that 'the unit' overall in the defence is poorly marshalled because there isn't a set of plans to deal with XYZ coming at it. I have said it several times and been shot down but for me the option of getting in a specialised and recognised defensive coach would be a much more cost effective and logical option. The 'individual mistakes' would start to go. The players aren't that bad. [Post edited 29 Jan 2020 10:45]
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Couldn't agree more with the analysis, but, is 'getting in a specialised and recognised defensive coach' a straightforward matter? If it was that simple, then wouldn't Hoos/Ferdinand/Warburton have done that long ago - at least since the defensive frailties became so obvious? I just don't get it. As you say, we have players that look reasonable enough. | | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 12:54 - Jan 29 with 1703 views | daveB |
| Cameron / Amos on 11:56 - Jan 29 by WestbourneR |
Why do some coaches persevere with zonal marking when it's clearly an inferior system? |
It can work if you do it properly but too often players switch off and it's easy to score against | | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 12:56 - Jan 29 with 1694 views | ridethewave |
I'd actually like to see Ball and Manning in the CM. I think Ball has looked better than both Cameron and Amos when he's played, and Manning has enough 'bite' and is a good enough footballer to connect the front and back of the team.
Can't possibly do any worse can it? |  | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 17:57 - Jan 29 with 1453 views | francisbowles |
| Cameron / Amos on 12:54 - Jan 29 by daveB |
It can work if you do it properly but too often players switch off and it's easy to score against |
Our players have had a habit of switching off for a number of years! I'm not sure how you coach total concentration. | | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 18:16 - Jan 29 with 1393 views | WadR |
Last night he was poor, but I like Amos and think he offers plenty - he covers a lot of ground, is our most comfortable CM on the ball (especially under pressure), and is a neat passer generally. He actually executed a tactical foul in the build up to Blackburn's first but they player stayed on his feet.
Not a huge Ball fan but would go for him and Amos for a run of games. | | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 18:26 - Jan 29 with 1361 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Cameron / Amos on 12:00 - Jan 29 by kensalriser |
We have a very weak defensive midfield and it's literally central to our problems.
Blackburn won last night by pressing us hard and stifling our creative players. We had no answer because we don't have a player that can impose himself in the middle of the pitch. With a Derry/Faurlin type combo this team would be much harder to beat even with the same defence and keeper. |
This. I imagine that with Scowen leaving too that is where the club will be looking to strengthen, either now or in the summer. One positive is that it's one of the few areas that you can still find value in. |  |
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| Cameron / Amos on 18:48 - Jan 29 with 1315 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
Doesn't quite fit our current buy young and cheap philosophy, but I would love a cheeky bid for Ben Pearson this summer.
Just to hear Clive produce some new non expletive, expletives.
Cameron can be very good, and has a very positive influence both on and off the pitch, but it's all too evident that while not knackers yard material, he is approaching the end of his career at this level. [Post edited 29 Jan 2020 18:52]
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| Cameron / Amos on 19:52 - Jan 29 with 1217 views | Watford_Ranger |
Manning and Ball is the nearest thing we have to covering all bases IMO. Cameron is a good option for trying to see out a game. Amos has had a long run in the side and shown little overall. Some good games, lots of forgettable ones. | | | |
| Cameron / Amos on 00:45 - Jan 30 with 1093 views | Jigsore |
i'm not saying giving Manning a go in midfield is the worst idea but that makes Wallace our only left back (?) and we can't rely on him to play every game |  |
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