| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! 08:12 - Oct 30 with 5905 views | numptydumpty |
Ultimately and despite performances and position, it's obviously still an if but if we in and around playffs or better, do we push harder in January transfer Window more than last.
Last season think sanderson and hendricks both flopped spectacularly.
Only other signings were two goalkeepers due to an unbelievable run injuries to every man that stood between the sticks for us so overlooking that.
Appreciate its harder to find talent in January but do we feel this season we need aim bit higher.
Although January is two months away, given the world cup it will be much earlier in our season in terms of games.
Any ideas where we try to strengthen
Generally loans January now.
Think we need another utility full back who can play either flank.
Guessing another out and out striker but God knows where we get one of those from.
Unless injuries don't see much more needed as things are.
I personally feel we will hold onto all our top performers ie if no playoffs at least, we may lose two or three at end of season.
Probably daft me posting thus now but clearly it's in real terms just a month playing time away so sure Beale has his eyes more than likely on promising young talent he may well already be aware of...
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:23 - Oct 30 with 4249 views | Esox_Lucius |
If anything does happen in January, and it's a big if, it will surely be dictated by the constraints of the P&S regulations in FFP. We are also seeing that it takes time for players to play the way Beale wants the side to play and bringing in new players may not supply the answers you need.
FWIW if we do well this season, fail to get promoted and manage to keep our players together, I think we have a better chance next season with a fully integrated squad. |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:45 - Oct 30 with 4173 views | dmm |
Any incoming players, loans or otherwise, must partly depend on outgoing players given we're sailing close to the edge financially.
Beale has already spoken of discussions being had around departures of players not getting games. These will be some or all of Masterson, Hamalainen, Thomas, Shodipo and Bonne.
There's no word on whether they'll be loans or perms but the savings on wages will obviously help. And, of those mentioned, all but Hamalainen finish their contacts next year and need to secure their futures. |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:54 - Oct 30 with 4140 views | nadera78 |
Warburton was given everything he wanted, so your starting point is complete BS. |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:56 - Oct 30 with 4127 views | eastside_r |
Isn’t this idea that Warburton wasn’t backed debatable but the OP posts it as if it were fact.
I am more inclined to back those who are still at this club and they will know what the financial headroom is regarding FFP (or whatever it is called now.)
Is this not just another ‘more blood’ thread as Clive calls it? |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:58 - Oct 30 with 4115 views | eastside_r |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:54 - Oct 30 by nadera78 |
Warburton was given everything he wanted, so your starting point is complete BS. |
Ha ha. Just beat me to it and succinctly put! | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 09:20 - Oct 30 with 4010 views | BrianMcCarthy |
We're 9/2 to get promoted, which sounds about right.
Whatever else, we can't risk an FFP fine and penalty over a Jaunary trolley dash. I'd be amazed if we have much FFP room left - Balogun alone must have cost a million+ in wages and fees. |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 09:25 - Oct 30 with 4002 views | daveB |
will all depend on which players they get rid of, I think we'll look to offload a few fringe players to give us some room to sign players, you never know if someone will come in for Willock, Dickie or Dieng.
Last January publicly at least Warburton was saying he didn't want a striker which is what they probably ended up needing |  | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 09:30 - Oct 30 with 3989 views | francisbowles |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 09:20 - Oct 30 by BrianMcCarthy |
We're 9/2 to get promoted, which sounds about right.
Whatever else, we can't risk an FFP fine and penalty over a Jaunary trolley dash. I'd be amazed if we have much FFP room left - Balogun alone must have cost a million+ in wages and fees. |
Agree with that Brian but it may depend on the injury situation, how many non playing squad members we can get off the wage bill and whether any loans are recalled or sent back.
If we do recruit, again it will most likely be loans or any released players that MB thinks might improve us. | | | |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 09:37 - Oct 30 with 3956 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Agree, Dave and FrancisBowles - we might free up some money by selling some players. | |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 10:05 - Oct 30 with 3888 views | PunteR |
I thought the problem was Warburton did get backed in January? Gray, Sanderson, Hendricks.
All of which were garbage with the possible exception of Gray who's arrival just pissed off Austin more and upset the dressing room. The goal keeper thing was bizarre. |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 10:10 - Oct 30 with 3876 views | PunteR |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 09:37 - Oct 30 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agree, Dave and FrancisBowles - we might free up some money by selling some players. |
I think Dickie and possibly Odomah could leave. Even the Jaffa cake lad whose name I can't recall this Sunday morning. | |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 12:14 - Oct 30 with 3629 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 08:45 - Oct 30 by dmm |
Any incoming players, loans or otherwise, must partly depend on outgoing players given we're sailing close to the edge financially.
Beale has already spoken of discussions being had around departures of players not getting games. These will be some or all of Masterson, Hamalainen, Thomas, Shodipo and Bonne.
There's no word on whether they'll be loans or perms but the savings on wages will obviously help. And, of those mentioned, all but Hamalainen finish their contacts next year and need to secure their futures. |
In the case of Travelman, as we know, he's massively over-contracted (is it 3 years he has left on his deal?), so if we can't get a fee for him, we'll presumably have to pay him a hefty wedge to settle. Shodipo seemed at least to be at the margins of the picture under Beale, but has dropped off the radar since. Bonne's career has clearly stalled at QPR, he's in love with Ipswich, so we should get rid if we can.
As for possible incomers, a midfield enforcer a la Derry would help no end, as would, er, a goalscoring striker. I'm not holding my breath, though, for either. |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 12:24 - Oct 30 with 3653 views | dmm |
Hamalainen's contract ends summer 2024 | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 12:40 - Oct 30 with 3616 views | QPR_Hibs |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 10:05 - Oct 30 by PunteR |
I thought the problem was Warburton did get backed in January? Gray, Sanderson, Hendricks.
All of which were garbage with the possible exception of Gray who's arrival just pissed off Austin more and upset the dressing room. The goal keeper thing was bizarre. |
Gray was signed on loan in the summer window - not January. There was talk of sending him back in January and getting someone else but I think Warburton decided to keep him?? |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 12:46 - Oct 30 with 3591 views | bosh67 |
I think Bonne will move on in the window. Thomas will be let go I reckon, possibly Niko as well, I just can't see the point of a player on a contract until 2024 that isn't even making the squad most of the time. A few will go out on loan.
I can see us getting another defensive midfielder on loan given we only really have Field who is a play breaker, unless Mick continues to train Masterson in that role, or even push Dickie into that area if the other defenders are fit.
The FFP thing still hangs over us so I think whatever we do in January, it will be loan based, unless there are any out of contract players still hanging around. |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:46 - Oct 30 with 3490 views | kensalriser |
Can't help feeling the tone here is all a bit Sky Sports News hyperbole - what does 'backing' the manager mean? Isn't it just code for letting the manager go on a trolley dash spunking money on more players that may or may not be needed or successful? And the flip side of the narrative is that managers who aren't 'backed' are being failed by their clubs leading to fans expressing their ire in all the usual places. 'Flopped spectacularly' is similarly
over the top tabloid style hyperbole. Sanderson and Hendrick were mostly underwhelming, that was about it. Neither was ever likely to radically change our fortunes.
Don't believe the hype. |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 14:33 - Oct 30 with 3424 views | numptydumpty |
Crikey a lot of reading between the lines.
Yes as said probably loans.
My understanding last January ,if I am wrong forgive me, am getting on in years and my memory fails me sometimes !!
But I thought Warburton looked at strikers and wasn't able to find anyone better than three we had. But the bar was set and he wasn't allowed go step further up in an all out effort to get promotion that season.
He may have said publicly he got all he wanted but none of us know the exact truth so open to speculation both ways.
Yes several I should imagine could be loaned out , injuries dependent.
Think two or three newbies with few deadwood in opposite direction ie temporarily or permanent.
It will be possibly the key to success or failure.
Always hopeful !!!
As good a chance as ever currently. [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 14:35]
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 15:03 - Oct 30 with 3354 views | PunteR |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 12:40 - Oct 30 by QPR_Hibs |
Gray was signed on loan in the summer window - not January. There was talk of sending him back in January and getting someone else but I think Warburton decided to keep him?? |
I stand corrected. :) | |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 16:10 - Oct 30 with 3201 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 12:14 - Oct 30 by stainrods_elbow |
In the case of Travelman, as we know, he's massively over-contracted (is it 3 years he has left on his deal?), so if we can't get a fee for him, we'll presumably have to pay him a hefty wedge to settle. Shodipo seemed at least to be at the margins of the picture under Beale, but has dropped off the radar since. Bonne's career has clearly stalled at QPR, he's in love with Ipswich, so we should get rid if we can.
As for possible incomers, a midfield enforcer a la Derry would help no end, as would, er, a goalscoring striker. I'm not holding my breath, though, for either. |
Have people still got a bee in their bonnet about Hamalainen? Hasn’t a reasonable explanation surfaced ages ago? [Post edited 30 Oct 2022 20:37]
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:06 - Oct 31 with 2659 views | A40Bosh |
Because the OP is asking this at the start of Nov, and as despite an ugly loss on Friday night we still sit 3rd in the table on merit, then the question is somewhat irrelevant IMHO of course.
I also think that the OP strapline of Warburton wasn't backed is probably completely wrong.
Warburton's background should allowed to him have asked the right questions of LH and LF during the interview process regarding player budgets and unless they told actual lies to him then he would have known the score when it came to a January window last year when he accepted the job.
We appear to be in a near identical situation one year later, we are in the top six, playing attractive football, winning games at home and away but still have given away points by the same poor mistakes.
I am guessing that putting Beale in place of Warbs was a 2nd attempt to put a top coach in who would get a better and more consistent performance level out of the core squad and therefore would not expect to need to put the P&S (FFP) ceiling at risk by having to gamble on one or two overpriced, out of favour strikers from higher up the leagues from us. |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:22 - Oct 31 with 2604 views | derbyhoop |
Theres some obvious ones to move on - as already mentioned.
Freeing up wages would be a benefit but anybody expecting fees for any of them is living in cloud cuckoo land. |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:41 - Oct 31 with 2551 views | danehoop |
You'd have to pay off some of those you want to leave. Not sure about how that is amortised over any accounting period, my guess would be that paying off a contract with a lump sum would see an increase in salary expenditure in the current accounting period in which the payment took place.
Conversely it seems unlikely that any pay off would significantly reduce the pay bill unless the player agreed to a massively reduced severance deal. If you were a professional footballer with a long lucrative contract that you were unlikely to match elsewhere, would you settle for considerable reduction in salary due to leave a club early? Even if you had something lined up elsewhere immediately after release it seems unlikely that you'd give up free money in most circumstances (aiming off for Lee Cook like exceptions). |  |
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| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 22:22 - Oct 31 with 2263 views | 1JD |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 13:41 - Oct 31 by danehoop |
You'd have to pay off some of those you want to leave. Not sure about how that is amortised over any accounting period, my guess would be that paying off a contract with a lump sum would see an increase in salary expenditure in the current accounting period in which the payment took place.
Conversely it seems unlikely that any pay off would significantly reduce the pay bill unless the player agreed to a massively reduced severance deal. If you were a professional footballer with a long lucrative contract that you were unlikely to match elsewhere, would you settle for considerable reduction in salary due to leave a club early? Even if you had something lined up elsewhere immediately after release it seems unlikely that you'd give up free money in most circumstances (aiming off for Lee Cook like exceptions). |
Beale has discussed cutting the squad back in numbers as we have too many. The players in question are probably Masterson, Thomas, and Shodipo. That’s probably 15-20k a week that can go back into the budget.
All three are out of contract end of this season, all three will have already been told their futures do not lie at QPR, and all three will be able to get a League 1 loan till the end of the season.
Bonne will also be out of contract, and will get a League 1 loan in January - assuming we can replace him with another striker.
As for Niko Hamalainen and Ossie Kakay, both are under contract until next season. They won’t be shifted on until we bring in alternative replacements who are of higher quality. | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 22:53 - Oct 31 with 2218 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
On Masterson, Thomas, and Shodipo it’s a shame it never worked out. Masterson a particular mystery. | | | |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 11:31 - Nov 1 with 1970 views | Welsh_Ranger |
| Will Beale be backed in January Window - Warburton wasn't !! on 22:53 - Oct 31 by BazzaInTheLoft |
On Masterson, Thomas, and Shodipo it’s a shame it never worked out. Masterson a particular mystery. |
Agreed, Shodipp was given a few opportunities at the start of the season and although he did ok is probably a L1 player. That said most of the fringe players are:- Masterson, Owens, Nikko, Bonne & Thomas.
Thomas is the dissapointing one for me being Welsh, he had a great breakthrough whilst at coventry and then went to LCFC which put him back probably the same with Bowler.
Mick, obviously sees them day in day out and doesn't think they cut the mustard sadly
I guess the step up between the leagues is getting more, the same with the Prem.
Is Owens out on loan at the moment? | | | |
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