| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 22:07 - Jan 18 with 4460 views | stainrods_elbow |
Good, accurate, report, which more or less eloquently amplifies (with a bit more balance than I'm capable of) my own posts about the game, including the data.
The ref was in his own world, but had little or nothing to do with how bad a spectacle it was, however.
Personally, I'd rather see us bummed in the gob 3-0 playing the game as it should be played than that turd of a 0-0 that should bring an F A charge for bringing football into disrepute. There are many stopping points when it comes to finding a balance between resilience and watchability. This was off the scale by any metric. It made the worst of Ainsworthball look like Pepball.
I'm still ashamed, and, if we play anything like that at Oxford, we deserve to get obliterated - and, (not) sorry, I'll view it as a blessing. [Post edited 18 Jan 22:11]
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 22:18 - Jan 18 with 4410 views | OldPedro |
Well summed up - Lets hope for a better performance at Oxford but given our recent away games, I don't hold out much hope. Another 0-0 maybe to go with the home game against Oxford? |  |
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 22:25 - Jan 18 with 4256 views | stainrods_elbow |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 22:18 - Jan 18 by OldPedro |
Well summed up - Lets hope for a better performance at Oxford but given our recent away games, I don't hold out much hope. Another 0-0 maybe to go with the home game against Oxford? |
And the usual suspects (and the manager) will no doubt be praising a 0-0 against the de facto bottom club, if that eventuates. | |
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 22:33 - Jan 18 with 4253 views | mart_Goblin |
Very well balanced report that .
Defended well but didn’t ‘do’ any ‘football’ whatsoever .
Good point about the kit clash too.
Not the first time that the pink and black kit makes watching the game very difficult as it doesn’t look different enough to the home side .
Why we didn’t wear what we wore at West Hsm , I don’t know ? |  | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 23:14 - Jan 18 with 3915 views | stainrods_elbow |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 22:33 - Jan 18 by mart_Goblin |
Very well balanced report that .
Defended well but didn’t ‘do’ any ‘football’ whatsoever .
Good point about the kit clash too.
Not the first time that the pink and black kit makes watching the game very difficult as it doesn’t look different enough to the home side .
Why we didn’t wear what we wore at West Hsm , I don’t know ? |
Presumably for 'commercial' reasons, like just about everything in football these days.
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 23:23 - Jan 18 with 3962 views | Noelmc |
The 'head-it-and-kick-it centre back performance for the ages from Jimmy Dunne' reminded me so much of the one by his countryman and namesake Richard in the Play-Off Final. Great to have him leading the team by example. |  | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 23:36 - Jan 18 with 3893 views | Myke |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 23:23 - Jan 18 by Noelmc |
The 'head-it-and-kick-it centre back performance for the ages from Jimmy Dunne' reminded me so much of the one by his countryman and namesake Richard in the Play-Off Final. Great to have him leading the team by example. |
Or the 0-0 draw with Russia in Moscow, Noel, which must have been Dunne’s single most outstanding performance. What made it even more iconic, was when he had to change his shirt as it had blood on it. We hadn’t brought a replacement No5 shirt with us to Moscow (who’d have thunk it, Roy) so the coach had to use a permanent marker to draw a number 5 on his back. Sponsor be damned! |  | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 01:09 - Jan 19 with 3693 views | charmr |
Thanks Clive for talking about the lack of football and the nonsense we dished up that causes a melt down when a visiting team does it to us. Reminds me of early 2000 away games under Holloway. A tough watch.
I wonder if some fans are just happy not to feel like shyte on the way home for a change then after the usual not turn up again loss. Our front four at Stoke could have been a handful if utilized properly.
For what it’s worth when I watch Rangers especially away i can’t see much coaching, a system or a game plan. Maybe that’s why we see so many driftless games especially in first halves at away games accompanied by so many changes of personal or not. How many subs does he put on in the 2nd half when it’s gone to crap. Maybe Is he just a good man manager. He’s losing me. [Post edited 19 Jan 1:23]
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 06:52 - Jan 19 with 3414 views | dmm |
Thanks Clive. Your report was far more entertaining than the game! |  | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 07:00 - Jan 19 with 3395 views | cheeseydane |
A fair and very readable report as always Clive. However, your injury list is incorrect. We only had 3 players out...apparently. |  |
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 08:00 - Jan 19 with 3200 views | Northernr |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 23:23 - Jan 18 by Noelmc |
The 'head-it-and-kick-it centre back performance for the ages from Jimmy Dunne' reminded me so much of the one by his countryman and namesake Richard in the Play-Off Final. Great to have him leading the team by example. |
We said similar on the train. Just made it his business to win every header that came in our box. |  | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 08:05 - Jan 19 with 3164 views | BklynRanger |
Good read as always. It's not hard to imagine many people appreciating the defensive display and getting a point, but we played that at times like a team that's just come up and is grateful to hang on.
I know the record, but underneath that record it is still only Stoke - let's expect to be able to put the odd move or two together, or get something going in the final third, and if we can't keep it, move it, dribble it or kick it at the goal maybe consider making a couple of changes before injury time?
And this might be pushing it with the Leicester thrashing not very far in the past, but I fear aspects of these approaches start to become contagious, and they forget how to play with proper, organised, attacking purpose. Even the 3-0 against Sheff Wed which ended that bad Xmas run, was one of the weirdest, most disjointed 3-0's I can remember. |  | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 08:28 - Jan 19 with 3093 views | Lblock |
Weirdly, I wasn't too down on this (terrible) performance.
With the injuries and it following the Wham game I had vibes very much of "after the Lord Mayor's show" pre match and expected us to play very poorly and lose.
We played poorly but battled brillaintly and got a point.
There were three absolute stick on chances in the game.
Their centre back missed an open goal, albeit the ball was thrashed through, and how Kone didn't get across his man to score from 2 yards out I do not know; then young Adamson at the end should've nicked it.
Apart from that I don't remember too many clear cut chances at all.
Any point at Sjoke I'll take and I'll take it twice on a Sunday if it winds up the locals into a frenzy.
We're about 14 points away from guaranteed safety this season.
So if we can avoid any "QPR Death Spirals" we'll be good and can focus on shipping out the current idiots who are overseeing the fitness side of things and get a Department ready for next season who appreciate what 46+ games of war take.
A period of refelction from JS can begin in terms of flexability and the need for in game changes and squad rotation far less dramatic than he has (I assume) overseen this season.
Very odd from me but.... I'm focusing on the positive clean sheet and a point here plus Jimmy Dunne being Jimmy Dunne.
I thank you [Post edited 19 Jan 14:25]
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 08:28 - Jan 19 with 3089 views | thehat |
Thank you Clive, an entertaining report far more enjoyable than its subject matter.
Whilst it was a poor game I was absolutely delighted with the point. As the away team with a long list of injuries I have seen many a QPR team go up North get bullied and well beaten. So to defend as well as we did and compete all over the pitch is a very big plus for me.
We went with two strikers so don't think we set up negatively, it was just how the game played out. You get these games in a 46 game season and it was good to see us get back on the bus with something instead of going home empty handed.
It will be an even better point if we win at Oxford.
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 08:58 - Jan 19 with 2952 views | TK1 |
Fair report. I do think it's a bigger achievement by management than we're collectively crediting them with, finding a way to get a point at a good Stoke in current circumstances.
We have a very competitive first 14 players for this league. If you strip out five of those, all starters, including our main source of goals, this is not a competitive squad for the league, not this season.
Previous managers - including Cifuentes, who I liked a lot - would have started a long losing run at The Britannia. They would not have found a way with that squad. That losing run may still be coming tomorrow - the games look very difficult for the duration of our injuries. But it hasn't started yet - surely that is better? Didn't we hate losing all the time?
The fact that Stephan can skin a cat more ways than one is very encouraging. He obviously prefers to play football. But sometimes a shthouse manager is what you need. | | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 09:34 - Jan 19 with 2787 views | nix |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 08:58 - Jan 19 by TK1 |
Fair report. I do think it's a bigger achievement by management than we're collectively crediting them with, finding a way to get a point at a good Stoke in current circumstances.
We have a very competitive first 14 players for this league. If you strip out five of those, all starters, including our main source of goals, this is not a competitive squad for the league, not this season.
Previous managers - including Cifuentes, who I liked a lot - would have started a long losing run at The Britannia. They would not have found a way with that squad. That losing run may still be coming tomorrow - the games look very difficult for the duration of our injuries. But it hasn't started yet - surely that is better? Didn't we hate losing all the time?
The fact that Stephan can skin a cat more ways than one is very encouraging. He obviously prefers to play football. But sometimes a shthouse manager is what you need. |
That’s probably why he looks so happy with the draw. Not that a draw moves us up the table but it gives us a better platform to win on Tuesday. Don’t exactly know if it’s true but it seems like we’re more likely to lose if we’ve lost the previous match; in other words we go on bad runs so it’s good to avoid that by salvaging a draw.
Look away if you hate stats but we’re missing the player with the best conversion rate for anyone in the Championship who’s scored at least five goals. It’s a big loss. We’re having to adjust our playing style with hardly any time on the training ground to do it given we’ve also lost Saito, Varane and Poku at the same time.
Could really do with Illy back on the pitch to hang onto the ball and put some balls in the box. Can’t wait for Romnie to also to bring us up the pitch a bit. Maybe he’ll come on for some minutes on Tuesday.
Not sure we can play Kolli in the Burrell role. He just can’t hold the ball up or move us up the pitch. Would prefer Morgan or Bennie in the middle of the pitch and maybe play them with Kolli or Kone up front. We definitely need someone in the attacking mid position who doesn’t give the ball away so much. |  | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 09:35 - Jan 19 with 2783 views | londonscottish |
I watched the first few minutes then decided to switch to listening so I could get on with some chores. Namely re-felting the roof of my log store. Which was marginally more exciting than the game.
Still, a point away and all that. And a furious Stoke fan venting at me yesterday on another message board. That cheered me right up. |  |
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 10:22 - Jan 19 with 2610 views | terryb |
I think you summed up my feelings on the game Clive.
Another decision to have a go at the referee was his refusal to start the second half until Kolli reappeared. Kick off with ten as you should do & make him wait to enter the pitch.
The very strange statistic from this game was that Stoke had only one good chance to score, while we had two or three! Perhaps Stoke should be questioning there own lack of creativity rather than moaning about Rangers.
Having said that, I disliked every minute I watched on a stream & it must have been worse for those of you in attendance. I thought it a very similar game to nearly all of our away matches this season, including the wins at Swansea & Blackburn. I can't remember what our performance was like in the win at Bristol City so I can't include that, away to Wrexham being the only away match this season that we have looked to express ourselves. | | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 11:18 - Jan 19 with 2372 views | 7374Ranger |
A well written and accurate report on that poor excuse of a football match.
Absolutely no ambition to win that match except during the added time. I know QPR had a depleted squad, but so did Stoke.
I agree with those who say we need to go to Oxford tomorrow and start with a change in formation.
Maybe Smyth in the Burrell position, but with 3 in central midfield (4-3-1-2) and perhaps Bennie or Morgan behind the front 2.
No place in the starting lineup for Dembele, even Smyth if he is not in the middle alongside Kolli or Kone. Their performance on Saturday was shocking and imo were both worth a rating of 3 or 4. Admittedly, Dembele was being fouled a lot in the 1st half, but overall was poor. | | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 11:50 - Jan 19 with 2256 views | Dorse |
That game was the footballing equivalent of watching the entire Mrs Brown's Boys boxset. On a black and white portable telly. With only prawn cocktail crisps for snacks. And warm Carling. Served by Anne Widdecombe. In her pants. |  |
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 12:13 - Jan 19 with 2168 views | E15Hoop |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 22:07 - Jan 18 by stainrods_elbow |
Good, accurate, report, which more or less eloquently amplifies (with a bit more balance than I'm capable of) my own posts about the game, including the data.
The ref was in his own world, but had little or nothing to do with how bad a spectacle it was, however.
Personally, I'd rather see us bummed in the gob 3-0 playing the game as it should be played than that turd of a 0-0 that should bring an F A charge for bringing football into disrepute. There are many stopping points when it comes to finding a balance between resilience and watchability. This was off the scale by any metric. It made the worst of Ainsworthball look like Pepball.
I'm still ashamed, and, if we play anything like that at Oxford, we deserve to get obliterated - and, (not) sorry, I'll view it as a blessing. [Post edited 18 Jan 22:11]
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What a load of absolute overexaggerated garbage!
Last time I looked, you don't get awarded points for "artistic merit" in this or any other league.
The manager came up with a game plan that made most sense, given the limited resources he had available, and if we'd done better with the few attacking chances we had, we might well have burgled a win.
Doesn't sound much like a reason to go "nuclear" on the club to me. Far better that we smuggled a point than lost all three - its really as simple as that.
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 12:20 - Jan 19 with 2146 views | BeauRanger |
Well it certainly wasn’t pretty, but how many times have we seen Rangers lose games like that? To come away with a point from the original home of Pullis sh*thousery has to give some extra satisfaction particularly with so many injuries.
As others have already stated a stand out performance again from Dunne with Cook not far behind. Not so good from the more advanced players with only Madsen seemingly able to pass to a teammate.
Certainly better than away games at Watford, Coventry, Derby & Norwich, so a pragmatic point I think.
Onwards & upwards to Oxford.. |  | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 12:50 - Jan 19 with 2044 views | charmr |
A bit ridiculous to say the manager had a game plan. If that was his game plan he wouldn’t have played 2 up top.
With all their pressure one error, unlucky bounce and we concede. Then the perspective might be clearer. | | | |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 12:58 - Jan 19 with 2007 views | Superhoop83 |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 12:13 - Jan 19 by E15Hoop |
What a load of absolute overexaggerated garbage!
Last time I looked, you don't get awarded points for "artistic merit" in this or any other league.
The manager came up with a game plan that made most sense, given the limited resources he had available, and if we'd done better with the few attacking chances we had, we might well have burgled a win.
Doesn't sound much like a reason to go "nuclear" on the club to me. Far better that we smuggled a point than lost all three - its really as simple as that.
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| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 13:04 - Jan 19 with 1985 views | E15Hoop |
| And we never spoke of it again – Report on 12:58 - Jan 19 by Superhoop83 |
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True, but I still feel he should "feel the burn", rather than everyone just take the easy option. | | | |
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