| Caulker Interview on 15:51 - Jun 29 with 2668 views | Mistication92 |
He's got 12 months left and obviously isn't going to find another club. Giving him one last chance seems morally right and might be worth it for the squad as well. He's shown (in brief glimpses) what he can do, since he's being paid, might as well use him. |  | |  |
| Caulker Interview on 16:02 - Jun 29 with 2637 views | philc |
I agree and having read the interview we should give him one last chance, and being cynical we are not going to get a fee and there is a good player in there. Also For all my criticisms of him, Ollie is a good man manager in these situations. | | | |
| Caulker Interview on 16:19 - Jun 29 with 2603 views | superhoopdownunder |
I am suffering depression - got help and have been fortunate enough to gain promotion twice at work in 2 years (no Wembley Play Off Finals)
I am in a bad way but it has never impacted my job - I make sure it doesn't
I am alone and it is very hard - but every day I make sure I am ready for work - even though sometimes I feel like just not bothering and caving in - but I won't
My upbringing, persistence and resilience ensure I keep going when I feel like having benders and all sorts of other demons which I am trying to manage as best I can
It is called taking responsibility for your actions and being grown up
Often it's bloody hard - like tonight - but I need to keep being strong
Personally I believe Steven Caulker should be got rid of - not just because of this but because his irresponsible behaviour for the past few seasons warrants it - if I did not turn up for work - that's what would happen to me and most normal people in the world
He's a bad egg and should be moved on [Post edited 29 Jun 2017 16:40]
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| Caulker Interview on 16:20 - Jun 29 with 2596 views | Bluce_Ree |
I wish him well but he's no good for our club. |  |
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| Caulker Interview on 16:26 - Jun 29 with 2582 views | robith |
I also would like to see I don't see a contradiction between Olly and the club's stance. Olly is relatively new, and he sees a guy who needs some help. The club meanwhile have been suffering in silence as the butt of his actions (from that article I imagine the comms teams have pulled *a lot* of favours to keep this out of the press), he's probably violated every code of conduct going, their patience is probably exasperated.
Which I also understand. My best mate had it real bad, reaaaaaal bad, massively amplified by drugs too. I ended up as the whipping boy of all his rages, strops and dark periods. One day he pushed me too far, and for all I knew he needed my support, I just couldn't put up with it any more and I told him to do one. Didn't speak for 2 years. He got back in touch recently and we started talking again and I told him about the problems I'd had - he felt ashamed that his own issues meant he never even asked if I was ok. So I totally understand if the club have had their fill |  | | |
| Caulker Interview on 16:28 - Jun 29 with 2572 views | derbyhoop |
It's a difficult one. In terms of footballing ability he had (note past tense) all the attributes. However, the mental side of his life has affected him to such an extent it's doubtful if he could play at any reasonable level.
Some at the club want to write him off, which is understandable given the money he is being paid and the series of indiscretions that have dogged him. Holloway didn't feel like that earlier in the year. Has the manager's position changed? The chances of being able to unload him to another club, within the remaining 12 months of his contract, must be fairly remote. If it's possible, the club should do what it can to help him address his problems and we might just get a top quality centre back for no further expenditure. |  |
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| Caulker Interview on 16:32 - Jun 29 with 2550 views | EastR |
Respect to terryb for sharing your experience and wish you continued good health and happier times.
By his own admission Caulker has never operated to his full capabilities due his ongoing issues. It appears that he’s only a matter of months into a (new) attempt to recover from an illness that has affected him for probably all of his adult life. Given his history, its far too early and optimistically ambitious to believe he can morph into the highly performing footballer he clearly thinks he can/should be. I’m not sure who is advising him, or what kind of a support network he has around him, but if he needs to be realistic about what he can achieve in the near future. Falling short of overly ambitious targets will only set him back further.
Personally I feel some empathy for his situation and for the people around him who care about him that he’s likely to have let down many times. I don’t care how much money he has (I suspect deep down he probably doesn’t either), because if he continues on the path he’s been on then one day for sure he will end up with none of it. But he’ll still be ill.
I hope for his sake that this latest outpouring is part of a concerted recovery plan and wish him well in that. People closer to the situation at the club will be better placed to judge whether that is with us or somewhere else. | |
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| Caulker Interview on 17:02 - Jun 29 with 2496 views | CFW |
This is a very emotive subject. Unless you have suffered from or know someone who is close to you that suffers with depression or addictions it is almost impossible to understand. To a clear headed person it is simple, pull yourself together, how many more chances do you need and take a look at yourself and how you have let us all down!
In reality sufferers would probably agree with you if they were not ill. I totally respect people with mental health issues and as a society we should support them in anyway possible. Having said that I can also have a fair amount of sympathy for the club owners who have invested a vast amount of money in this individual and with another years contract I totally understand why is is 'no longer welcome' at the club.
Unfortunately, our actions and decisions we make in life have consequences on not only ourselves but other people and very often these actions hurt people we are most close to in life. I would be delighted if he comes out the other side a better, more rounded, stable person especially for his child and parents. But he needs, in my opinion, to repay some of the issues he has caused by his actions.
It would be nice if perhaps he sold 'one of his houses' said to the owners I will play for you for a nominal wage for the last year of my contract to prove to you, myself and my family that I am a good person and if he did that perhaps, and just perhaps he could find another club that will take a chance on him.
I do agree with Ollie though sending him to Russia at that point would have been a very bad move for Caulker at that time and fair play to him for standing up for him.
Personally - I would not hold my breath but wish him well. | | | |
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| Caulker Interview on 17:04 - Jun 29 with 2492 views | Brightonhoop |
| Caulker Interview on 14:42 - Jun 29 by robith |
Tough read, have experienced a lot of what he talks about (to a less severe extent), and stings to read of someone else's suffering.
Don't really get people saying about the piece last year - I'm mostly on the level these days but today I'm under a lot of pressure and it's taking all my strength not to just go and cry in the toilets for an hour. Plus this is hardly a puff piece, lays it all pretty bare. These things are cyclical
But I guess he earns lots of money and wasn't great for us as a player so sod him |
Hang in there Robbith. It's a complete bastard but somehow gets better, been there and got the t-shirt. I kicked the drinking into the long grass for six months, started a new job and slowly rebuilt my confidence until in the end I was earning more than I ever had and loved my job back then.
So it does and can get better. Dont be too hard on yourself.
As for Caulker, I do feel empathy for him but he talks a good future, or a better one, and believed in him after the Sierra Leone story last year and felt massively let down by him. He hasn't let me down, he's let himself down, and yes these things, depression especially, are cyclical. Good on him for not having had a drink in nearly six months and avoiding the casinos. That's a major start.
Despite everything, I think the Owners need to step up again for him. |  | | |
| Caulker Interview on 17:22 - Jun 29 with 2461 views | connell10 |
| Caulker Interview on 15:26 - Jun 29 by terryb |
It would appear that at last Steven Caulker ia accepting of his problems. That is a massive step forward & until he had done so he had no chance of help, whether offered or not.
Never mind if he is able to play football again, he now has a chance to recover a little self respect & that is so important. Of course he will still have days when he will loathe himself & fail to understand why anyone would wish to love/support him. Each one of those days he will be in danger of falling back into the chasm of dispondancy & he will need to dredge up a great amount of courage & self believe to avert this.
It is not easy, but the reward for dragging yourself up from that pit is indescribable.
For the first time I can now support Steven & wish him all the best in his struggle. I do hope that he can surround himself with perople that have his best interests at heart and that they don't try to rush his recovery. It is very important for them to accept that he will only be able to discuss his problems (or talk in general) when he is up to it & then only with some people. That may not include those closest to him. My experience is that you can talk far more freely to those that you are not in danger of hurting.
It took me over forty years to accept (or even consider) that I suffered from depression. Making that acceptance was the hardest part for me, but strangely enough I then found it quite easy to admit to anyone (I probably bored many) that I had depression. Thankfully I climbed from the hole three(?) years ago & although coming close to the edge at times, so far I haven't really been in danger of returning. |
I hope sitting near me this season wont tip you over the edge Tel! Joking apart i hope Mr caulker recovers from this awful thing! |  |
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| Caulker Interview on 19:33 - Jun 29 with 2312 views | bosh67 |
There is a very good player in there. I think everyone knows that. Shades of Clarke Carlisle about this situation. Sad to see but he still has a season to shake the demons and show us what he has. A clear headed Caulker at this level is a very useful player. |  |
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| Caulker Interview on 20:30 - Jun 29 with 2240 views | PBLOCK |
Its a,bit boy who cried wolf for me.
We had the piece from last summer and now this.
I'm not in anyway slating Caulker for suffering a terrible affliction which he undoubtedly has but actions speak louder than words.
By his own admission the problems are long standing and various people have tried and failed to help him. He needs to take some responsibility and start acting rather than offering platitudes. He is in a massively privileged position taking circa £40 k a week for doing not a lot, he will have taken over £8 million out of Rangers for his contract and offered little to nothing back.
There is undoubtedly a talented player there but he has to want it, the help, support medical help etc
Would love to see him turn it round a la Donkey Adams all those years ago but actions speak louder than words | | | |
| Caulker Interview on 20:47 - Jun 29 with 2208 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Caulker Interview on 15:26 - Jun 29 by terryb |
It would appear that at last Steven Caulker ia accepting of his problems. That is a massive step forward & until he had done so he had no chance of help, whether offered or not.
Never mind if he is able to play football again, he now has a chance to recover a little self respect & that is so important. Of course he will still have days when he will loathe himself & fail to understand why anyone would wish to love/support him. Each one of those days he will be in danger of falling back into the chasm of dispondancy & he will need to dredge up a great amount of courage & self believe to avert this.
It is not easy, but the reward for dragging yourself up from that pit is indescribable.
For the first time I can now support Steven & wish him all the best in his struggle. I do hope that he can surround himself with perople that have his best interests at heart and that they don't try to rush his recovery. It is very important for them to accept that he will only be able to discuss his problems (or talk in general) when he is up to it & then only with some people. That may not include those closest to him. My experience is that you can talk far more freely to those that you are not in danger of hurting.
It took me over forty years to accept (or even consider) that I suffered from depression. Making that acceptance was the hardest part for me, but strangely enough I then found it quite easy to admit to anyone (I probably bored many) that I had depression. Thankfully I climbed from the hole three(?) years ago & although coming close to the edge at times, so far I haven't really been in danger of returning. |
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| Caulker Interview on 21:01 - Jun 29 with 2190 views | DannytheR |
I can understand people being sceptical given the Sierra Leone story last summer, but that piece reads very differently to me. It won't have been easy to admit in the national press that he's got mental health problems of that scale. Even in 2017 there's still a stigma about mental health that just doesn't exist around physical problems - no-one says "He's got loads of money, what's he got cancer for?"
For all the embarrassing tossery of the modern footballer, the pressures involved in the game must be vast now. Look at that kid Michael Johnson at Man City, who had all the talent in the world but clearly was just a bit too fragile to deal with the game and all it involves. Ended up walking away in his early 20s, last heard of piecing together a normal life.
The Caulker situation is a just a crying shame all round. I wish we hadn't signed him, but we'd have only signed some other overpaid tit if we hadn't. Footballer or not, he's a young bloke who's obviously got serious problems, working in an industry that's usually much better at giving players (and their agents) huge sums of money than it is looking after their welfare on other levels.
Wish him well. [Post edited 29 Jun 2017 21:03]
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| Caulker Interview on 21:08 - Jun 29 with 2172 views | PunteR |
He's only 25, he has his whole life in front of him. Lay off the alcohol son.
Ive got real mixed feelings on this. Part of me wants the club to stick by him and get him through this tough patch, but on the other hand he's had ample help already.
The cynic in me is thinking that this is his last throw at the dice. How much influence has his agent had in advising him to do this piece in the Guardian? Exactly the same time as last season as well . hmm.
I dont know what real depression is like i've never experienced it so i cant comment on that really but i do know a few friends that have to deal with it. One thing that surprised me is how well they hide it and are able to function seemingly like everyone else. They hold down responsible jobs and look after their family..just. Then again i've had friends and family members who found life all too much and have ended it.
Caulkers behavior has been shambolic and i dont quite see the connection between his mental illness and getting drunk and behavior.
I can relate to his alcohol problem , and know how bad things can get with drink when your young and dont know how to handle it..
That would be my only advise, firstly stop drinking. He's still young enough for the alcohol not to take grip.
I think QPR have paid him enough money already, the club is well within its rights to terminate his contract and not pay him another penny. I'm sure financially he'll be ok. Money isnt really his problem, unless of course he's gambled it all away. Zero sympathy from me if he has.
I have supported the lad the whole time he's been here and tried posting positive things about him on here. Its a shame its got to this really. |  |
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| Caulker Interview on 11:01 - Jul 1 with 1760 views | distortR |
| Caulker Interview on 20:30 - Jun 29 by PBLOCK |
Its a,bit boy who cried wolf for me.
We had the piece from last summer and now this.
I'm not in anyway slating Caulker for suffering a terrible affliction which he undoubtedly has but actions speak louder than words.
By his own admission the problems are long standing and various people have tried and failed to help him. He needs to take some responsibility and start acting rather than offering platitudes. He is in a massively privileged position taking circa £40 k a week for doing not a lot, he will have taken over £8 million out of Rangers for his contract and offered little to nothing back.
There is undoubtedly a talented player there but he has to want it, the help, support medical help etc
Would love to see him turn it round a la Donkey Adams all those years ago but actions speak louder than words |
See, the bloke on the bus acting like a tw@t, we all, rightly, jump down his throat. Caulker acts like a tw@t repeatedly, still absent from the squad, and his friendly paper writes another piece about him, taking the sting out of the fans anger, he also manages to tell us that he won't play for the club again, but that's down to the owners, not him.
Is this true? I don't know, but the owner's can hardly come out and refute it, can they? How would that look? We do know that, actually, away from the football side of things they come across pretty well, including in working with people with mental health problems.
All that money you've had for nothing mate, well, some it might have gone towards giving an opportunity to a kid who hasn't had much in life, but you keep on sitting there drawing your weekly for another year.
Mental health issues? Yeah, I know about them, doesn't mean you don't have to take responsibility for your actions, doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences. | | | |
| Caulker Interview on 11:48 - Jul 1 with 1705 views | DejR_vu |
I think you need to question why this has appeared in a National Newspaper? I'd be very surprised if this is Caulker deciding on the spur of the moment to call a journalist and bare his soul. I would suggest his agent and other advisers would have been well aware of the situation, and probably orchestrated it.
Why did he feel the need to give that interview, and why now? He's been under the radar for a while now. If he's serious about sorting himself out, why not stay there and deal with it quietly? Then come back and rather than talk about being sorry for all the mistakes, show it, by doing something tangible to start repaying some of those that he's wronged by his actions. I'm possibly being unfair, but the cynic in me suggests that any publicity is good publicity, particularly when you're entering the last year of your contract and have been told that you're not welcome at your club, so won't be playing, and therefore are in danger of being forgotten. | |
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| Caulker Interview on 13:01 - Jul 1 with 1669 views | Northernr |
| Caulker Interview on 11:48 - Jul 1 by DejR_vu |
I think you need to question why this has appeared in a National Newspaper? I'd be very surprised if this is Caulker deciding on the spur of the moment to call a journalist and bare his soul. I would suggest his agent and other advisers would have been well aware of the situation, and probably orchestrated it.
Why did he feel the need to give that interview, and why now? He's been under the radar for a while now. If he's serious about sorting himself out, why not stay there and deal with it quietly? Then come back and rather than talk about being sorry for all the mistakes, show it, by doing something tangible to start repaying some of those that he's wronged by his actions. I'm possibly being unfair, but the cynic in me suggests that any publicity is good publicity, particularly when you're entering the last year of your contract and have been told that you're not welcome at your club, so won't be playing, and therefore are in danger of being forgotten. |
I would say you're being unfair... if he hadn't had an almost identical "I've been an idiot but I'm sorted now come and get me" piece in the same newspaper this time last year. |  | | |
| Caulker Interview on 13:17 - Jul 1 with 1650 views | TacticalR |
| Caulker Interview on 13:01 - Jul 1 by Northernr |
I would say you're being unfair... if he hadn't had an almost identical "I've been an idiot but I'm sorted now come and get me" piece in the same newspaper this time last year. |
If so, hasn't this article backfired?
He has basically admitted that he is completely unprofessional and his life is a disaster. |  |
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| Caulker Interview on 13:48 - Jul 1 with 1625 views | Northernr |
| Caulker Interview on 13:17 - Jul 1 by TacticalR |
If so, hasn't this article backfired?
He has basically admitted that he is completely unprofessional and his life is a disaster. |
Well everybody knew that anyway. It's why Tottenham shifted him and he's been around a lot of clubs since then so lots have first hand experience and lots will have heard second hand. It's no secret he can't stay out of a bloody casino. Both this article and the one last summer run along a theme of "I'm getting myself straight, I just want to play some football". I'm leaning towards Deja Vu's cyncical view unfortunately.
Mental illness is exactly that, an illness, and you should no more tell somebody to "get over it" than you would tell somebody to get over a tumour or a broken leg. It's a chemical thing people can't help. But sooner or later you have to not be a victim to it, you have to fight it and be strong rather than just wallow in the misery it causes for your whole life. Steven Caulker is in a very privileged position in that he's got all the resources to take as long as he likes to fight that fight - people who have everyday jobs and suffer the same thing have to find a way to get out of bed every day and function so they can pay the mortgage and get the weekly shop in. I thought the line about choosing to live in "one of his properties" in Feltham to remind him how tough life could be was absolutely crass. | | | |
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| Caulker Interview on 13:48 - Jul 1 by Northernr |
Well everybody knew that anyway. It's why Tottenham shifted him and he's been around a lot of clubs since then so lots have first hand experience and lots will have heard second hand. It's no secret he can't stay out of a bloody casino. Both this article and the one last summer run along a theme of "I'm getting myself straight, I just want to play some football". I'm leaning towards Deja Vu's cyncical view unfortunately.
Mental illness is exactly that, an illness, and you should no more tell somebody to "get over it" than you would tell somebody to get over a tumour or a broken leg. It's a chemical thing people can't help. But sooner or later you have to not be a victim to it, you have to fight it and be strong rather than just wallow in the misery it causes for your whole life. Steven Caulker is in a very privileged position in that he's got all the resources to take as long as he likes to fight that fight - people who have everyday jobs and suffer the same thing have to find a way to get out of bed every day and function so they can pay the mortgage and get the weekly shop in. I thought the line about choosing to live in "one of his properties" in Feltham to remind him how tough life could be was absolutely crass. |
Crass? Why? I dont get that. Despite his privelidge he's doing what he thinks will help keep him grounded. Doubt he gets many visitors living in Feltham by choice. Poorly considered maybe but not crass.
Read a piece this week on the bass player out of U2 and he's older than me and still getting to a stage in his life where he's only now dry, despite all his privelidge and income, he must be approaching 60 and just getting it nailed down before it kills him I guess.
Look at Bartons betting patterns, £2 staks several times a day says it all, etc hides a real problem, on the edge of a full blown problem. It was always going to risk disaster giving young fellas so much money, fast cars etc, without proper advisors in place to support and advise them. If any young player has any susceptability, that life style is going to expose it.
Most with the most serious addictions take several attempts at abstinence before they finally achieve it completely. Smack heads notoriously overdose accidently and die on occassions of falling off the wagon as a reult of the tolerance changes on quanities. No one should be surprised if Caulker falls off the wagon again yet, he's relatively young, which makes me question who is advising him as talking to the press about 'conquering addictions' at this stage is inviting scorn and he will get bombed out wherever he goes. Iwould just say to the lad well done, but come back in 10 years when you've really conquored it, and if you're as driven for respect from your son et al as much as you say, get fit and let your football do the talking.
He needs some proper advisors, and football needs to learn to understand addiction, see the early signs and know about earlier interventions. Any expectation Caulker wont fall off the wagon again is naive. And setting the whole thing up to fail. [Post edited 1 Jul 2017 15:03]
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| Caulker Interview on 16:27 - Jul 1 with 1519 views | Northernr |
| Caulker Interview on 15:00 - Jul 1 by Brightonhoop |
Crass? Why? I dont get that. Despite his privelidge he's doing what he thinks will help keep him grounded. Doubt he gets many visitors living in Feltham by choice. Poorly considered maybe but not crass.
Read a piece this week on the bass player out of U2 and he's older than me and still getting to a stage in his life where he's only now dry, despite all his privelidge and income, he must be approaching 60 and just getting it nailed down before it kills him I guess.
Look at Bartons betting patterns, £2 staks several times a day says it all, etc hides a real problem, on the edge of a full blown problem. It was always going to risk disaster giving young fellas so much money, fast cars etc, without proper advisors in place to support and advise them. If any young player has any susceptability, that life style is going to expose it.
Most with the most serious addictions take several attempts at abstinence before they finally achieve it completely. Smack heads notoriously overdose accidently and die on occassions of falling off the wagon as a reult of the tolerance changes on quanities. No one should be surprised if Caulker falls off the wagon again yet, he's relatively young, which makes me question who is advising him as talking to the press about 'conquering addictions' at this stage is inviting scorn and he will get bombed out wherever he goes. Iwould just say to the lad well done, but come back in 10 years when you've really conquored it, and if you're as driven for respect from your son et al as much as you say, get fit and let your football do the talking.
He needs some proper advisors, and football needs to learn to understand addiction, see the early signs and know about earlier interventions. Any expectation Caulker wont fall off the wagon again is naive. And setting the whole thing up to fail. [Post edited 1 Jul 2017 15:03]
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Crass because like I say if I'm a bus driver or a supermarket worker or a bloke that works in a petrol station for a living and I get ill in the same way then I have to find a way to get out of bed, get to work and function every day.
Caulker doesn't, he can take as long as he likes, wallow as much as he likes. making out like having to move back to "one of my properties" in West London is some sort of drastic measure, sacrifice or hardship doesn't come across well. Oh no, how terrible for you.
Although as a wiser member of the LFW whatsapp group than I said, that simply means you should show more sympathy to the bus driver, not less to the footballer. | | | |
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| Caulker Interview on 16:27 - Jul 1 by Northernr |
Crass because like I say if I'm a bus driver or a supermarket worker or a bloke that works in a petrol station for a living and I get ill in the same way then I have to find a way to get out of bed, get to work and function every day.
Caulker doesn't, he can take as long as he likes, wallow as much as he likes. making out like having to move back to "one of my properties" in West London is some sort of drastic measure, sacrifice or hardship doesn't come across well. Oh no, how terrible for you.
Although as a wiser member of the LFW whatsapp group than I said, that simply means you should show more sympathy to the bus driver, not less to the footballer. |
I dont know what difference money or incomes makes to be honest. He's a footballer, damning more because of his income I dont think makes much sense. He's damned if he earns well or not.
I used to work with alot of street homeless in central London and Brighton for years until it got too much, might have ben starting a family that changed my view on my own self preservation, it;s different with a couple of very young kids to provide for. But it used to be at times very violent, desperate people labouring under grotesque addictions. Some were worse when they were off the heroin, others who were determined to stay off it. Two fellas I will never forget, really lovely blokes on it and off it, one I had chat with on my out off home at the end of a shift, came in the next morning and he was dead, coroner and police all over the hostel, absolutely heart breaking. And that would happen a few times each year. The point is services at that level for people with nothing are excellent, or certainly used to be then. So for me Caulker would still have his issues whether he was a bus driver or a footballer. The ideas he has are a bit superficial, going to Africa and seeing real poverty, living in a council estate now by choice, dont really make any difference. The only thing he can do to make a difference is stay clean/dry/non-gambling. And for any addict that is not easy, money or no money for treatment.
The more I think about it the more concerned I am that Caulker is saying the Club have said he's not welcome back. Doesn't square with any of the excellent work the Club does in the community.
It#s a massive discussion perhaps but if any Club buys a player with any issues like addiction, are the Clubs just buying an assett or a responsibility to stand by the person. Addiction is too wierd for words, often not presenting full blown until later in life, so Caulker could well be far more of an addict now than in his Tottenham days and may well get worse before he gets better. From exerience the writing on the wall for him isn't good, and if the worst comes to pass it wont reflect well on the Club either. If what Caulker has said is accurate about not being welcomed back.
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Probably on my own...but I'd give him another chance. |
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| Caulker Interview on 02:18 - Jul 2 with 1342 views | dennisbailey92 |
This poor guy has a horrible horrible illness and the club (and others before) have a duty of care but it only goes so far, I'd love for him to go on and rebuild his career but I felt the same last year when we heard the humbling strories of visiting Africa, the timing of the interview doesn't sit well, hope I'm proved wrong |  | | |
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