| Warren Farm 10:13 - Nov 1 with 97968 views | connell10 |
Some one saying on WATRB that the Supreme court has thrown out the appeal placed against us and Warren Farm is a goer! Good news if true! |  |
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| Warren Farm on 11:24 - Jan 14 with 2982 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Warren Farm on 10:15 - Jan 14 by terryb |
I think Hayes is offering his left bollock to you as a far more palatable option than your hat! |
It may be a pork pie hat which could be delicious (as long as it has no egg in it) |  |
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| Warren Farm on 11:37 - Jan 14 with 2932 views | LythamR |
| Warren Farm on 10:51 - Jan 14 by BostonR |
If I recall, Lee Hoos addressed the training ground update at the recent fans forum. Essentially, he said that the club was no longer engaging with "objectors" or external groups and that the scheme will remain in-house as part of the clubs forward planning.
As I see it the land deal is done and the club has been conducting pre-construction surveys etc - all normal activity, which does take time. I suspect the club is probably negotiating with numerous contractors from ground works, site security, design and build and planning consultants, to name a few.
Also, I assume the club is reviewing the funding mechanism for the scheme. In my experience this is normal activity, but it does take time. |
The thing is all this negotiating and surveys should (and may have) been going on once we got the green light and should not have incurred any delays due to Skylarks nesting
Given how essential we have repeatedly been told WF is to the future development strategy for the club there should be some sort of action by now
We should have seen some activity as soon as the nesting birds had completed their business, that would have established serious intent.
it is starting to give off a distinct whiff now |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 11:58 - Jan 14 with 2864 views | BostonR |
| Warren Farm on 11:37 - Jan 14 by LythamR |
The thing is all this negotiating and surveys should (and may have) been going on once we got the green light and should not have incurred any delays due to Skylarks nesting
Given how essential we have repeatedly been told WF is to the future development strategy for the club there should be some sort of action by now
We should have seen some activity as soon as the nesting birds had completed their business, that would have established serious intent.
it is starting to give off a distinct whiff now |
I would think most of the essential surveys are complete and hopefully the analysis of the various data returned has not thrown up any show-stoppers, such as contaminated land.
Engaging with contractors and running the whole procurement programme is detailed and takes time. I am not a construction PMO (and I am sure there are a few on this forum) but this project has a lot of strands. So, I am not surprised that it is taking time to get going. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 13:02 - Jan 14 with 2685 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Warren Farm on 11:58 - Jan 14 by BostonR |
I would think most of the essential surveys are complete and hopefully the analysis of the various data returned has not thrown up any show-stoppers, such as contaminated land.
Engaging with contractors and running the whole procurement programme is detailed and takes time. I am not a construction PMO (and I am sure there are a few on this forum) but this project has a lot of strands. So, I am not surprised that it is taking time to get going. |
You may well be right and hopefully there are a lot of things going on in the background but as far as I can see neither QPR or Ealing Council have made an announcements on the subject since the end of 2018 which is a long time ago. You can understand people assuming no news is bad news in this instance. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 13:14 - Jan 14 with 2644 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Warren Farm on 11:58 - Jan 14 by BostonR |
I would think most of the essential surveys are complete and hopefully the analysis of the various data returned has not thrown up any show-stoppers, such as contaminated land.
Engaging with contractors and running the whole procurement programme is detailed and takes time. I am not a construction PMO (and I am sure there are a few on this forum) but this project has a lot of strands. So, I am not surprised that it is taking time to get going. |
I'm in Construction and can back this up - pre-Contract takes absolutely ages now with all the legislation brought in in the last 20-30 years. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 13:15 - Jan 14 with 2630 views | The_Seer |
| Warren Farm on 11:58 - Jan 14 by BostonR |
I would think most of the essential surveys are complete and hopefully the analysis of the various data returned has not thrown up any show-stoppers, such as contaminated land.
Engaging with contractors and running the whole procurement programme is detailed and takes time. I am not a construction PMO (and I am sure there are a few on this forum) but this project has a lot of strands. So, I am not surprised that it is taking time to get going. |
It has been over a year since we won the appeal. Why is it that Fulham can redevelop the Cottage twice in a posh area, Brentford can build a stadium in Kew with minimum fuss yet we are waiting forever to build a training facility on a dilapidated site in poxy Southall.
The hold up is down to Finances.
The owners do not want to pay for it directly out of their own pockets. FFP doesnt come into it as it's classed as infructure.The owners have looked at loans, bonds even considered the involvement of the fans. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 13:16 - Jan 14 with 2629 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Warren Farm on 13:15 - Jan 14 by The_Seer |
It has been over a year since we won the appeal. Why is it that Fulham can redevelop the Cottage twice in a posh area, Brentford can build a stadium in Kew with minimum fuss yet we are waiting forever to build a training facility on a dilapidated site in poxy Southall.
The hold up is down to Finances.
The owners do not want to pay for it directly out of their own pockets. FFP doesnt come into it as it's classed as infructure.The owners have looked at loans, bonds even considered the involvement of the fans. |
What is with the 'we'? | |
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| Warren Farm on 13:17 - Jan 14 with 2625 views | R_from_afar |
| Warren Farm on 13:02 - Jan 14 by Ned_Kennedys |
You may well be right and hopefully there are a lot of things going on in the background but as far as I can see neither QPR or Ealing Council have made an announcements on the subject since the end of 2018 which is a long time ago. You can understand people assuming no news is bad news in this instance. |
I can well understand people's frustration at the long wait. The last piece of information I saw on WF was this but it dates from November:
https://www.westlondonsport.co
The club would be well advised to put out its own update, ideally this month. I suspect that we might not see anything until they have dealt with the transfer window. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 13:34 - Jan 14 with 2565 views | kingo |
| Warren Farm on 13:15 - Jan 14 by The_Seer |
It has been over a year since we won the appeal. Why is it that Fulham can redevelop the Cottage twice in a posh area, Brentford can build a stadium in Kew with minimum fuss yet we are waiting forever to build a training facility on a dilapidated site in poxy Southall.
The hold up is down to Finances.
The owners do not want to pay for it directly out of their own pockets. FFP doesnt come into it as it's classed as infructure.The owners have looked at loans, bonds even considered the involvement of the fans. |
Brentfords stadium has taken many, many years to bring about. Not just the construction time. They were looking at many options for a long time. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 13:35 - Jan 14 with 2559 views | The_Seer |
Don't get smart 
No seriously it's about finance. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 13:53 - Jan 14 with 2501 views | The_Seer |
| Warren Farm on 13:34 - Jan 14 by kingo |
Brentfords stadium has taken many, many years to bring about. Not just the construction time. They were looking at many options for a long time. |
At least they have a brand new stadium in Kew which is nearly finished. What have we got? Fernandes has been at the club since 2011 and has made a pigs ear of everything. Warren Farm has dragged on for years. Let's not mention a new stadium - what a joke.
Everything changed when Benham bought the club in 2012. Brentford didn't have clout before he came along. Things always drag on when you lack money and influence.
Fulham acquired training facilities in Kingston Upon Thames and never have trouble with redevelop. They put in applications at the Council and get the job done. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 13:53 - Jan 14 with 3291 views | Juzzie |
| Warren Farm on 13:15 - Jan 14 by The_Seer |
It has been over a year since we won the appeal. Why is it that Fulham can redevelop the Cottage twice in a posh area, Brentford can build a stadium in Kew with minimum fuss yet we are waiting forever to build a training facility on a dilapidated site in poxy Southall.
The hold up is down to Finances.
The owners do not want to pay for it directly out of their own pockets. FFP doesnt come into it as it's classed as infructure.The owners have looked at loans, bonds even considered the involvement of the fans. |
And the fact Brentford fans masquerading as 'Save Warren Farm' held everything up for 7 years. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 13:58 - Jan 14 with 3214 views | The_Seer |
| Warren Farm on 13:53 - Jan 14 by Juzzie |
And the fact Brentford fans masquerading as 'Save Warren Farm' held everything up for 7 years. |
We won the appeal in November 2018.
The hold up is due to the owners. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 14:59 - Jan 14 with 3155 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm on 10:51 - Jan 14 by BostonR |
If I recall, Lee Hoos addressed the training ground update at the recent fans forum. Essentially, he said that the club was no longer engaging with "objectors" or external groups and that the scheme will remain in-house as part of the clubs forward planning.
As I see it the land deal is done and the club has been conducting pre-construction surveys etc - all normal activity, which does take time. I suspect the club is probably negotiating with numerous contractors from ground works, site security, design and build and planning consultants, to name a few.
Also, I assume the club is reviewing the funding mechanism for the scheme. In my experience this is normal activity, but it does take time. |
From what I recall of the fans forum, Hoos was cagey on Warren Farm due to on-going opposition from an anonymous objector. He did, however, name drop their solicitor and confirmed that pre-commencement conditions were approved by the council.
With respect to preparatory works, back in November 2018 Clive ran an interview with Hoos in which Lee revealed that pre-construction surveys were conducted behind the scenes whilst the judicial review was going on. QPR had submitted the scheme to level the site out and were aiming to secure a licence by January 2019. Work could then start by demolishing old buildings before starting the importation scheme. In Hoo's own words it was "full steam ahead” however the project appears to have stalled since.
As for reviewing funding, the club first announced that it was looking to build a training ground at Warren Farm back in March 2012. It's had more than enough time to refine its business case. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 15:02 - Jan 14 with 3142 views | Lblock |
| Warren Farm on 13:14 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
I'm in Construction and can back this up - pre-Contract takes absolutely ages now with all the legislation brought in in the last 20-30 years. |
Mr Mac..... all that CDM guff and planning etc should have been a parallel activity to the legal challenges surely? If not then we’re in for another two years of Bungle paying lip service and this not being done.
Six years plus ago this was lauded as ESSENTIAL for the future strength of the good ship Queens Park Rangers. He then rolled out a different tune saying coaches were more important and that was the first bit of cold water poured which set my scepticism radar on red alert.
I disbelieved my Foolham and Arsenal mates from Norwood Green who whispered that our club was actually putting obstacles up but the clubs conduct since starting this journey tells me differently. The catalogue of errors and bull is incompetence beyond even QPRsurely and has to have some intent in it?!?!
Tony Ferndandes has set this club back decades, I’m not sure we’ll ever recover from it. He has not done one damn thing he ever stated he’d do but for all that.... IF Warren Farm ever gets started / completed and is a top class training establishment then I’ll be leading it calls for it to be named Fernandes Fields in his honour
For now my hat remains safe from being eaten |  |
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| Warren Farm on 15:48 - Jan 14 with 3056 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Warren Farm on 15:02 - Jan 14 by Lblock |
Mr Mac..... all that CDM guff and planning etc should have been a parallel activity to the legal challenges surely? If not then we’re in for another two years of Bungle paying lip service and this not being done.
Six years plus ago this was lauded as ESSENTIAL for the future strength of the good ship Queens Park Rangers. He then rolled out a different tune saying coaches were more important and that was the first bit of cold water poured which set my scepticism radar on red alert.
I disbelieved my Foolham and Arsenal mates from Norwood Green who whispered that our club was actually putting obstacles up but the clubs conduct since starting this journey tells me differently. The catalogue of errors and bull is incompetence beyond even QPRsurely and has to have some intent in it?!?!
Tony Ferndandes has set this club back decades, I’m not sure we’ll ever recover from it. He has not done one damn thing he ever stated he’d do but for all that.... IF Warren Farm ever gets started / completed and is a top class training establishment then I’ll be leading it calls for it to be named Fernandes Fields in his honour
For now my hat remains safe from being eaten |
"Mr Mac..... all that CDM guff and planning etc should have been a parallel activity to the legal challenges surely? If not then we’re in for another two years of Bungle paying lip service and this not being done."
I don't know, LB. I work for English and Irish construction companies and they're painfully slow compared to before. There's no way that this job could have gone out to tender until it got the green light and tendering takes ages now. There's no way permits could have been applied for, let alone approved. The paperwork is ridiculous now.
I'm no fan of Fernandes either, LB. But if Hoos says it's going ahead then I';m happy to go with that for now. | |
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| Warren Farm on 15:51 - Jan 14 with 3038 views | CamberleyR |
The thing that has bewildered me for years is how the blue filth from SW6 managed to get their training ground built on the edge of an affluent area/village on green belt land where you'd expect the NIMBY quota to be very large and vociferous indeed and managed to do it from start to finish from being granted planning permission to moving in, in three years. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 16:02 - Jan 14 with 3008 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Warren Farm on 15:51 - Jan 14 by CamberleyR |
The thing that has bewildered me for years is how the blue filth from SW6 managed to get their training ground built on the edge of an affluent area/village on green belt land where you'd expect the NIMBY quota to be very large and vociferous indeed and managed to do it from start to finish from being granted planning permission to moving in, in three years. |
Because they were serious about getting it done. I don’t believe our owners ever have been. It’s just more of pony Tony’s BS. This has taken 8 years.....and counting. Tottenham And Arsenal built their new stadiums in a fraction of that time. It’s all bòllox. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 16:13 - Jan 14 with 2952 views | hoopdog |
| Warren Farm on 16:02 - Jan 14 by Northolt_Rs |
Because they were serious about getting it done. I don’t believe our owners ever have been. It’s just more of pony Tony’s BS. This has taken 8 years.....and counting. Tottenham And Arsenal built their new stadiums in a fraction of that time. It’s all bòllox. |
Make you right mate they want it !! Where our board want something for nothing the training ground the new stadium | | | |
| Warren Farm on 16:18 - Jan 14 with 2928 views | BostonR |
| Warren Farm on 14:59 - Jan 14 by Benny_the_Ball |
From what I recall of the fans forum, Hoos was cagey on Warren Farm due to on-going opposition from an anonymous objector. He did, however, name drop their solicitor and confirmed that pre-commencement conditions were approved by the council.
With respect to preparatory works, back in November 2018 Clive ran an interview with Hoos in which Lee revealed that pre-construction surveys were conducted behind the scenes whilst the judicial review was going on. QPR had submitted the scheme to level the site out and were aiming to secure a licence by January 2019. Work could then start by demolishing old buildings before starting the importation scheme. In Hoo's own words it was "full steam ahead” however the project appears to have stalled since.
As for reviewing funding, the club first announced that it was looking to build a training ground at Warren Farm back in March 2012. It's had more than enough time to refine its business case. |
I take the point on timing but what other options were open to the Board to acquire land for a training facility in West London. There is a reason why land agents and investors say "West is Best" as values and land yields are high as well as excellent transport and infrastructure.
The main problem the club faces is that it is based in West London and wants to stay there if possible, but options for a new training ground and stadium are very limited due to land availability and affordable plots.
As a few members in the industry have stated this is very much work in progress - it does take a huge amount of effort to get these projects off the ground. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 16:26 - Jan 14 with 2895 views | PinnerPaul |
Wouldn't an email to Mr Hoos be more enlightening than pages and pages of teeth gnashing and guesswork? | | | |
| Warren Farm on 16:27 - Jan 14 with 2884 views | BostonR |
| Warren Farm on 16:02 - Jan 14 by Northolt_Rs |
Because they were serious about getting it done. I don’t believe our owners ever have been. It’s just more of pony Tony’s BS. This has taken 8 years.....and counting. Tottenham And Arsenal built their new stadiums in a fraction of that time. It’s all bòllox. |
The new White Hart Lane cost almost £1Billion - totally different prospect and was built on existing land. Arsenal's land deal was not easy, but they did have Highbury to trade. If you take time to review the investment, construction and project delivery of these stadiums it was not easy.
One simple outcome would be to take the club out of central west London and look to take a site say in Denham, Beaconsfield or perhaps Iver. Now, that should be slightly easier from an investment perspective and would provide a decent return of selling LR but the Board do not want to do that. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 16:27 - Jan 14 with 2883 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Warren Farm on 16:26 - Jan 14 by PinnerPaul |
Wouldn't an email to Mr Hoos be more enlightening than pages and pages of teeth gnashing and guesswork? |
Good idea: we should let Stainrods Elbow write it as he has plenty of experience in this area. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 16:30 - Jan 14 with 2876 views | flynnbo |
| Warren Farm on 15:51 - Jan 14 by CamberleyR |
The thing that has bewildered me for years is how the blue filth from SW6 managed to get their training ground built on the edge of an affluent area/village on green belt land where you'd expect the NIMBY quota to be very large and vociferous indeed and managed to do it from start to finish from being granted planning permission to moving in, in three years. |
Cobham or Stoke D'Abernon to give it its proper name already had sports fields there for the London teaching hospitals as it's where my cricket team used to play. Many footballers especially the scum live around there as did Andrew Johnson. |  | | |
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