| Warren Farm 10:13 - Nov 1 with 97955 views | connell10 |
Some one saying on WATRB that the Supreme court has thrown out the appeal placed against us and Warren Farm is a goer! Good news if true! |  |
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| Warren Farm on 16:34 - Jan 14 with 2816 views | LythamR |
| Warren Farm on 16:18 - Jan 14 by BostonR |
I take the point on timing but what other options were open to the Board to acquire land for a training facility in West London. There is a reason why land agents and investors say "West is Best" as values and land yields are high as well as excellent transport and infrastructure.
The main problem the club faces is that it is based in West London and wants to stay there if possible, but options for a new training ground and stadium are very limited due to land availability and affordable plots.
As a few members in the industry have stated this is very much work in progress - it does take a huge amount of effort to get these projects off the ground. |
but the Skylarks were the hold up and they are long gone, surely we didnt have to cancel/stop contract negotiations and permit requests when they started nesting and start from scratch
I understand these things can take time, but the time has been had, we should be seeing action now if we are going to do it, Skylarks will be back in a few months and then thats another year down the drain.
we are talking about levelling some ground and putting up a few buildings and pitches, this isnt HS2 or a new channel tunnel |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 16:38 - Jan 14 with 2802 views | Match82 |
| Warren Farm on 15:02 - Jan 14 by Lblock |
Mr Mac..... all that CDM guff and planning etc should have been a parallel activity to the legal challenges surely? If not then we’re in for another two years of Bungle paying lip service and this not being done.
Six years plus ago this was lauded as ESSENTIAL for the future strength of the good ship Queens Park Rangers. He then rolled out a different tune saying coaches were more important and that was the first bit of cold water poured which set my scepticism radar on red alert.
I disbelieved my Foolham and Arsenal mates from Norwood Green who whispered that our club was actually putting obstacles up but the clubs conduct since starting this journey tells me differently. The catalogue of errors and bull is incompetence beyond even QPRsurely and has to have some intent in it?!?!
Tony Ferndandes has set this club back decades, I’m not sure we’ll ever recover from it. He has not done one damn thing he ever stated he’d do but for all that.... IF Warren Farm ever gets started / completed and is a top class training establishment then I’ll be leading it calls for it to be named Fernandes Fields in his honour
For now my hat remains safe from being eaten |
"all that CDM guff and planning etc should have been a parallel activity to the legal challenges surely? "
We don't have say in when people are making the legal challenges though do we? I don't actually thing they think they are going to win, the whole point of them is to put this off as long as possible. So of course they are going to wait as long as possible to make the legal challenges. There will be another one after this if they think it will delay the process further. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 17:21 - Jan 14 with 2710 views | CamberleyR |
| Warren Farm on 16:30 - Jan 14 by flynnbo |
Cobham or Stoke D'Abernon to give it its proper name already had sports fields there for the London teaching hospitals as it's where my cricket team used to play. Many footballers especially the scum live around there as did Andrew Johnson. |
So not a lot different then from Warren Farm which has/had playing fields/changing facilities albeit council owned and available to the public. I'm guessing the Stoke d'Abernon site was originally privately owned by the hospitals and was sold off? |  |
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| Warren Farm on 17:27 - Jan 14 with 2688 views | flynnbo |
| Warren Farm on 17:21 - Jan 14 by CamberleyR |
So not a lot different then from Warren Farm which has/had playing fields/changing facilities albeit council owned and available to the public. I'm guessing the Stoke d'Abernon site was originally privately owned by the hospitals and was sold off? |
Yes, Charing Cross and Westminster as well as St George's sold up but St Thomas's kept their site, I believe. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 17:41 - Jan 14 with 2647 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm on 16:18 - Jan 14 by BostonR |
I take the point on timing but what other options were open to the Board to acquire land for a training facility in West London. There is a reason why land agents and investors say "West is Best" as values and land yields are high as well as excellent transport and infrastructure.
The main problem the club faces is that it is based in West London and wants to stay there if possible, but options for a new training ground and stadium are very limited due to land availability and affordable plots.
As a few members in the industry have stated this is very much work in progress - it does take a huge amount of effort to get these projects off the ground. |
Let's not confuse Warren Farm with financing a potential stadium. QPR would be leasing Warren Farm for 200 years, they're not buying the land. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 17:42 - Jan 14 with 2643 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm on 16:26 - Jan 14 by PinnerPaul |
Wouldn't an email to Mr Hoos be more enlightening than pages and pages of teeth gnashing and guesswork? |
Yes if he was transparent on the subject but for some reason he's keeping his cards close to his chest. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 17:49 - Jan 14 with 2623 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm on 16:34 - Jan 14 by LythamR |
but the Skylarks were the hold up and they are long gone, surely we didnt have to cancel/stop contract negotiations and permit requests when they started nesting and start from scratch
I understand these things can take time, but the time has been had, we should be seeing action now if we are going to do it, Skylarks will be back in a few months and then thats another year down the drain.
we are talking about levelling some ground and putting up a few buildings and pitches, this isnt HS2 or a new channel tunnel |
Yes skylarks typically breed from March through July.
The government announced that HS2 would go ahead at pretty much the same time that QPR announced they wanted to build a training ground at Warren Farm (Q1 2012). One of these projects has spades in the ground. [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 17:50]
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| Warren Farm on 18:58 - Jan 14 with 2511 views | Lblock |
| Warren Farm on 16:38 - Jan 14 by Match82 |
"all that CDM guff and planning etc should have been a parallel activity to the legal challenges surely? "
We don't have say in when people are making the legal challenges though do we? I don't actually thing they think they are going to win, the whole point of them is to put this off as long as possible. So of course they are going to wait as long as possible to make the legal challenges. There will be another one after this if they think it will delay the process further. |
Depends on who the "people" and "they" are doesn't it.
If this project had been done properly from the start with proper Neighbourhood Engagement and so on then we'd be in occupation and possibly turning out our third Eze type by now.
If they were 100% serious NOW then it would be a hive of activity and we'd be lauding it's opening by X date and saying to prospective talents etc "this is the place to be in West London"
We're not.
You believe what you like on that front but past conduct tells me a lot |  |
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| Warren Farm on 19:05 - Jan 14 with 2488 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Warren Farm on 16:27 - Jan 14 by BostonR |
The new White Hart Lane cost almost £1Billion - totally different prospect and was built on existing land. Arsenal's land deal was not easy, but they did have Highbury to trade. If you take time to review the investment, construction and project delivery of these stadiums it was not easy.
One simple outcome would be to take the club out of central west London and look to take a site say in Denham, Beaconsfield or perhaps Iver. Now, that should be slightly easier from an investment perspective and would provide a decent return of selling LR but the Board do not want to do that. |
We are not talking about moving from Loftus Road - this thread is about the new training facility at Warren Farm. 8 years and counting..... |  |
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| Warren Farm on 20:08 - Jan 14 with 2389 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
For those who forget quickly, Clives notes on WF from the November Fans Forum
The opposition group is still very, very active.
My philosophy is now not to give up any information. |  | | |
| Warren Farm on 20:43 - Jan 14 with 2324 views | RangersDave |
The oppo group may be active but isnt it a done deal now?
permission granted, appeals and final appeals thrown out etc?
Confused.com here on this now. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 20:46 - Jan 14 with 4361 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Warren Farm on 20:43 - Jan 14 by RangersDave |
The oppo group may be active but isnt it a done deal now?
permission granted, appeals and final appeals thrown out etc?
Confused.com here on this now. |
Yes, they've run out of legal routes, bar this rather tenuous and subjective thing they've started now. |  |
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| Warren Farm on 20:47 - Jan 14 with 4348 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Warren Farm on 20:08 - Jan 14 by WrightUp5hit___ |
For those who forget quickly, Clives notes on WF from the November Fans Forum
The opposition group is still very, very active.
My philosophy is now not to give up any information. |
Given that the opposition group has taken it all the way to the High Court and lost, you have to wonder whether there remains a genuine threat or if Hoos is withholding information to protect a hidden board agenda. After all, Tony has threatened to pull the plug on more than one occasion. The best way to mitigate the threat is to get on with it. [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 20:48]
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| Warren Farm on 20:50 - Jan 14 with 4323 views | LythamR |
| Warren Farm on 20:46 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Yes, they've run out of legal routes, bar this rather tenuous and subjective thing they've started now. |
The only thing they can really do now is to disrupt the actual development by real action, blocking or slow walking the trucks, locking on etc.
but they can't do that until we actually start sending the trucks in. then we will see how "active" these protesters really are | | | |
| Warren Farm on 21:24 - Jan 14 with 4210 views | Match82 |
| Warren Farm on 18:58 - Jan 14 by Lblock |
Depends on who the "people" and "they" are doesn't it.
If this project had been done properly from the start with proper Neighbourhood Engagement and so on then we'd be in occupation and possibly turning out our third Eze type by now.
If they were 100% serious NOW then it would be a hive of activity and we'd be lauding it's opening by X date and saying to prospective talents etc "this is the place to be in West London"
We're not.
You believe what you like on that front but past conduct tells me a lot |
Don't think we are going to agree on this but the club took the brash "we are going to get this done" approach on Old Oak Common and that backfired spectacularly. Maybe, they've learnt their lesson? First time for everything. | | | |
| Warren Farm on 21:24 - Jan 14 with 4204 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Warren Farm on 16:26 - Jan 14 by PinnerPaul |
Wouldn't an email to Mr Hoos be more enlightening than pages and pages of teeth gnashing and guesswork? |
I tried that on another topic, shared it with the board (our board, not the club's), and, judging by the reaction of some here, you'd have thought I'd have farted in the Pope's face!
Amazing to me how TF is ridiculed on a daily basis, while some people seem to think Hoos could not possibly have an agenda of his own. The latter has said, if he does nothing else at/for QPR, he wants to get the training ground delivered, so he's (apparently) staked his reputation on it. Why, then, do I (and it seems now others) start to feel Warren Farm is all some kind of political smokescreen, and the 'real' business is to ditch Loftus Road and rebuild on another profitable bit of London/suburban real estate, whatever it does to the soul/DNA of the club?
Mind you, I'm naive, agenda-ridden, and a very strange person, apparently. [Post edited 15 Jan 2020 14:37]
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| Warren Farm on 21:51 - Jan 14 with 4152 views | Lblock |
| Warren Farm on 21:24 - Jan 14 by Match82 |
Don't think we are going to agree on this but the club took the brash "we are going to get this done" approach on Old Oak Common and that backfired spectacularly. Maybe, they've learnt their lesson? First time for everything. |
They did the same here.
Rather than adopt the tried and tested engagement route with potential agitators they pushed on and rolled out a glossy magazine with some fantastic CGI's etc, etc and said "this is happening".
I dont recall any local consultation meetings, any environmental impact study / thesis coming out at inception.
I can't recall exactly but maybe this was another of Phil Beard's little pigeons? If so then yet again the Bungle Brothers were in full flight on that one!!!!
Hoos does seem to have a far more grounded and process driven approach (to most things) but he also seems keen to engage and say "we have hurdle X and we are attempting to jump it by Y which will give us Z". The fact there is zero in the way of any engagement or message from him or the club must surely concern even the most positive fan on this one????????
There is absolutely zilch on the Construction jungle drums on this either - by now requests for expressions of interest or even Invitations To Tender would be out in the market place. I must admit I don't deal with the various specialist sportsfield contractors very often but even so.......
As Mr Keegan once said "I would love it, love it" if this comes off and I'd be really positive about the medium term future of the club. If the scheme does get traction before the next Ice Age then I'd also recommend the club steer clear of those involved in the new Grasshoppers Sports Club Development which has been done just around the corner from Warren Farm. The overspend on that scheme was eye watering and totally un-necessary, be robust in your procurement!
Incidentally..... that scheme got legs in 2016 and was finished late 2018 / early 2019 alongside a huge new Sikh School. Amazing how these things can happen when approached right and with positive energy.
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| Warren Farm on 22:24 - Jan 14 with 4100 views | LowerloftLad |
The club hold all the cards it's just going to take time I'm glad there has been no knee jerk reaction the club would have known this is coming and we will see them off in court again [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 22:32]
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| Warren Farm on 22:54 - Jan 14 with 4027 views | Boston |
Time the fans took matters into their own hands...trousers. Anyone local should start taking walks over there, tie rope around their strides legs, fill up with dirt then casually stroll down to Norwood Green dropping and kicking soil around as they go. Great idea, or was it the Great Escape? |  |
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| Warren Farm on 23:28 - Jan 14 with 3988 views | Match82 |
| Warren Farm on 21:51 - Jan 14 by Lblock |
They did the same here.
Rather than adopt the tried and tested engagement route with potential agitators they pushed on and rolled out a glossy magazine with some fantastic CGI's etc, etc and said "this is happening".
I dont recall any local consultation meetings, any environmental impact study / thesis coming out at inception.
I can't recall exactly but maybe this was another of Phil Beard's little pigeons? If so then yet again the Bungle Brothers were in full flight on that one!!!!
Hoos does seem to have a far more grounded and process driven approach (to most things) but he also seems keen to engage and say "we have hurdle X and we are attempting to jump it by Y which will give us Z". The fact there is zero in the way of any engagement or message from him or the club must surely concern even the most positive fan on this one????????
There is absolutely zilch on the Construction jungle drums on this either - by now requests for expressions of interest or even Invitations To Tender would be out in the market place. I must admit I don't deal with the various specialist sportsfield contractors very often but even so.......
As Mr Keegan once said "I would love it, love it" if this comes off and I'd be really positive about the medium term future of the club. If the scheme does get traction before the next Ice Age then I'd also recommend the club steer clear of those involved in the new Grasshoppers Sports Club Development which has been done just around the corner from Warren Farm. The overspend on that scheme was eye watering and totally un-necessary, be robust in your procurement!
Incidentally..... that scheme got legs in 2016 and was finished late 2018 / early 2019 alongside a huge new Sikh School. Amazing how these things can happen when approached right and with positive energy.
Fank you and good nite |
Concerned, yes. Irritated by the long time it's taking? Certainly. But just not at the point where I'm willing to jump out of a window or try and harrass someone at the club (Hoos) who I think has been one of the main positives at the club over the last few years. He's done more than enough in other matters to win my trust here and he will continue to get it until the negatives of his time at the club outweigh the positives | | | |
| Warren Farm on 23:40 - Jan 14 with 3971 views | wombat |
| Warren Farm on 21:51 - Jan 14 by Lblock |
They did the same here.
Rather than adopt the tried and tested engagement route with potential agitators they pushed on and rolled out a glossy magazine with some fantastic CGI's etc, etc and said "this is happening".
I dont recall any local consultation meetings, any environmental impact study / thesis coming out at inception.
I can't recall exactly but maybe this was another of Phil Beard's little pigeons? If so then yet again the Bungle Brothers were in full flight on that one!!!!
Hoos does seem to have a far more grounded and process driven approach (to most things) but he also seems keen to engage and say "we have hurdle X and we are attempting to jump it by Y which will give us Z". The fact there is zero in the way of any engagement or message from him or the club must surely concern even the most positive fan on this one????????
There is absolutely zilch on the Construction jungle drums on this either - by now requests for expressions of interest or even Invitations To Tender would be out in the market place. I must admit I don't deal with the various specialist sportsfield contractors very often but even so.......
As Mr Keegan once said "I would love it, love it" if this comes off and I'd be really positive about the medium term future of the club. If the scheme does get traction before the next Ice Age then I'd also recommend the club steer clear of those involved in the new Grasshoppers Sports Club Development which has been done just around the corner from Warren Farm. The overspend on that scheme was eye watering and totally un-necessary, be robust in your procurement!
Incidentally..... that scheme got legs in 2016 and was finished late 2018 / early 2019 alongside a huge new Sikh School. Amazing how these things can happen when approached right and with positive energy.
Fank you and good nite |
Well we have to possibly company’s already sponsoring rh club who will prob be involved in the training gro’und/ new ground Gcl major player in London building and boss used to .have a box at Loftus road and the aggregates company who are also sponsors of some type at the club , so wouldn’t imagine the main contracts will go out to tender , only the actual pitch work etc prob |  |
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| Warren Farm on 00:10 - Jan 15 with 3949 views | PunteR |
| Warren Farm on 23:28 - Jan 14 by Match82 |
Concerned, yes. Irritated by the long time it's taking? Certainly. But just not at the point where I'm willing to jump out of a window or try and harrass someone at the club (Hoos) who I think has been one of the main positives at the club over the last few years. He's done more than enough in other matters to win my trust here and he will continue to get it until the negatives of his time at the club outweigh the positives |
I don't think anyone is blaming Hoos.(apart from Stainrods elbow) He could be just as frustrated with his employers as some of us are, for all we know.?
I'm certainly not thinking about jumping out of windows and i'm not losing sleep over this either. But questions need to be answered from our owners if we are to take what they said seriously. If its a money issue than fine but don't lead our fans down the garden path like they have since they first stepped foot through the door of our club. Like Lblock says, history tells you all you need to know about TF no matter how likeable he comes across on the tele.
He isnt the worst football club owner in the world , i think we all get that but he's certainly not the best QPR owner we could have. If his heart isn't in it then what's the point in him being here when im sure there's other mad billionaires that have some sort of ambition to drive a football club forward. There have been huge positives at the club, Hoos, Ferdinand, Ramsey but they are not going to be around forever. This club really does need some proper foundations built in to keep our club going because its very clear we are being taken over by other clubs that a few years ago wasn't even on our radar. I think this training ground is essential for our club because a certain bus stop is going to start getting local talent and dare i say it new young fans stopping off there..
Im just flexing my message board rantometer . :) |  |
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| Warren Farm on 01:15 - Jan 15 with 3902 views | Boston |
| Warren Farm on 00:10 - Jan 15 by PunteR |
I don't think anyone is blaming Hoos.(apart from Stainrods elbow) He could be just as frustrated with his employers as some of us are, for all we know.?
I'm certainly not thinking about jumping out of windows and i'm not losing sleep over this either. But questions need to be answered from our owners if we are to take what they said seriously. If its a money issue than fine but don't lead our fans down the garden path like they have since they first stepped foot through the door of our club. Like Lblock says, history tells you all you need to know about TF no matter how likeable he comes across on the tele.
He isnt the worst football club owner in the world , i think we all get that but he's certainly not the best QPR owner we could have. If his heart isn't in it then what's the point in him being here when im sure there's other mad billionaires that have some sort of ambition to drive a football club forward. There have been huge positives at the club, Hoos, Ferdinand, Ramsey but they are not going to be around forever. This club really does need some proper foundations built in to keep our club going because its very clear we are being taken over by other clubs that a few years ago wasn't even on our radar. I think this training ground is essential for our club because a certain bus stop is going to start getting local talent and dare i say it new young fans stopping off there..
Im just flexing my message board rantometer . :) |
Surely it is Hoos, Ferdinand and Ramsey who are digging those foundations? | |
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| Warren Farm on 01:19 - Jan 15 with 3907 views | Loftgirl |
| Warren Farm on 23:40 - Jan 14 by wombat |
Well we have to possibly company’s already sponsoring rh club who will prob be involved in the training gro’und/ new ground Gcl major player in London building and boss used to .have a box at Loftus road and the aggregates company who are also sponsors of some type at the club , so wouldn’t imagine the main contracts will go out to tender , only the actual pitch work etc prob |
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| Warren Farm on 01:33 - Jan 15 with 3890 views | Boston |
| Warren Farm on 01:19 - Jan 15 by Loftgirl |
Punctuation is for wimps. |
Indeed, when you consider a group of Wombats is called a wisdom. | |
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