| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 18:43 - Mar 25 with 1439 views | Arty |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 18:08 - Mar 25 by paulparker |
Safe standing could be an alternative if that gets the green light
Sad state of affairs that Fulham, ( ground improvements) Brentford and even AFC Wimbledon have all progressed on the ground front whilst we remain stuck |
Unfortunately safe standing does not / will not increase capacity as you stand in the space of a seat |  | |  |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 19:11 - Mar 25 with 1392 views | ted_hendrix |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 17:55 - Mar 25 by bosh67 |
I know that Loftus Road isn't ideal and it has been downsized over the years, probably not for the best but surely the regulations and rules to 'alter' the ground could be made after so many years of it seemingly being impossible. We have the tube not too far away and parking at the shopping centre and other places. Surely better to improve that facility and get a clever architect to get the ground back up to around 22,000 with it being used for other events and concerts again. Let's face it with Brentford, Fulham and Chelsea on the doorstep hopes of getting more fans in is unlikely. |
Are you talking about extending? cos we can't put more seats into a ground where the seats are already far too cramped, I'm sure you are so with that in mind lets extend the Ellerslie Road stand first doubling it's capacity.
We'll need permission from the Ellerslie Road residents on both sides, the road will be needed to bring in demolition contractors first and then construction traffic.
Ellerslie Road at best will need to be shut for say 4-6 Months or traffic managed (that'll be a laugh).
we'll need to inform the environment agency regarding the demolition (possible asbestos etcetera) and construction, example re-routing services and relaying roads etcetera.
Being in a highly populated residential area there will be severe EA restrictions on working hours-noise/dust etcetera which carry very heavy financial fines therefore weekend working will be forbidden thus reducing the chance of a 'fast track' demolition and construction programme.
Assuming a two tier stand? that wont get constructed in four Months in such a confined space, not from day one to handover it wont.
Can you imagine the furore at the fans forum when the brand new Ellerslie Road stand is opened and fans are asking why the water pressure in the lower loft is still only 20 PSI but in the new Ellerslie Road the water pressure is attaining a fabulous 60 PSI?
There is only one way LR could be extended and that is for us to move out for at least a year minimum.
Its not impossible to extend but it's 100% false economy and yes the cost would be astronomical and would have to be staged one side of the ground at a time.
I'm not convinced at all that we'll ever see crowds at QPR home games ever getting near a capacity of say 25,000, I think those days are over if they ever existed anyway.
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| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 00:56 - Mar 26 with 1264 views | qpr1976 |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 14:42 - Mar 25 by Juzzie |
Although I understood what FFP was trying to achieve .... basically: all clubs must operate within their own means, no outside injection of money allowed, to avoid another Blackburn, Chelsea, Rushden & Diamonds, QPR, Bournemouth, Crawley and so on.
it was never really going to work. Partly because it favoured clubs with bigger capacity grounds (in proportion to the division they played in) and therefore better ability to increase income but mainly because we live in a capitalist society and that's kinda how it goes. Some may argue It's unfair but, as said, that's how it goes. If a person(s) want to come in and blow a few hundred million that's up to them.
My only criteria would be that they are not allowed to saddle any debt onto the club. If they want to inject £500m and they lose the lot then the investors lose the money, not the club. At least with QPR's owners they have honoured that anyway which is something to be said.
It sort of becomes a level playing field anyway. If you have every club in that division (certainly in the PL) who all have rich benefactors it just depends on who wants to open their wallet the widest. The players and agents just get richer & richer and we all have to pay more in ticket prices, merchandise, TV subscriptions etc which seems to happen anyway even with FFP in place. That needs capping IMO but that's a separate side matter I think.
I just wonder what scope QPR (and Derby and Sheffield Wednesday and Luton.....) will have to retrospectively challenge their own situations. |
Not sure why Luton would have a claim against FFP penalties.
Their “indiscretions” where many years prior to FFP ann were points deductions for going into Admin 3 times in 5 years and for being found guilty of 56 financial irregularities.....! Bang to rights in my book. | | | |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 02:18 - Mar 26 with 1239 views | queensparker |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 18:15 - Mar 25 by Northernr |
It's not a single issue like capacity, or lack of midweek use (though they're important), it's also how bloody old it is. Hoos says it's £8m-£9m a year to run it, and we bring something like £5.6m in in season ticket revenue. |
We’re just another example of how society is failing itself.
It’s f–king nuts that a simple football team in west London can’t just survive to play league games to the enjoyment of its fans without making an insane amount of money beyond its means so the Champions League can exist. A cabbie can no longer make a decent living because a giant company in America has found a way to funnel all taxi money spent to itself without paying taxes. No point opening a shop because you’ll be undercut by another giant American tax avoider relying on drones working for a pittance to bring you the things you need. Public contracts available to the highest bidder.
The money’s all flowing one way and we’re not getting any of it while they keep us busy with bullsh@t.
*puts soapbox away and goes to bed* |  | | |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 02:58 - Mar 26 with 1220 views | nadera78 |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 18:43 - Mar 25 by Arty |
Unfortunately safe standing does not / will not increase capacity as you stand in the space of a seat |
That's because of the way it's done in this country, it's different elsewhere. Dortmund's capacity falls massively when the seats are being used (from 81 to 65,000). Stupid really, we should be trusted to do it properly. | | | |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 07:10 - Mar 26 with 1161 views | Paddyhoops |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 13:20 - Mar 25 by Northernr |
Yeh but it's coming. I don't see how you can punish clubs over profit and loss for the very, very forseeable future when they went from 'oh we're away at Charlton on Tuesday' to 'oh we're getting zero ticket revenue for 18 months' in the space of about 48 hours last March.
Of course Hoos has been at pains to state that we're not simply trying to get our losses down to comply with the rules, we're trying to get the club into a state where it isn't reliant on a rich bloke writing a cheque for £1m just to exist. |
So basically if the rules change on FFP in the championship and they're a farce anyway .
Do the owners stump up a million a month to keep the club afloat or 3 million a month to have a pop at the play offs??
FFP on the European scale is a farce.
Man citeh and Chelsea have basically bought every trophy they've won in the last ten, twenty years.
City have some of the lowest season ticket prices in the ptemier league in an effort to fill their stadium.
The idea that they are self sustainable is laughable.
I prefer we we're frugal and maintened our championship status. We're building something decent here.
The owners come and go . Us fans don't. | | | |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 08:04 - Mar 26 with 1120 views | stevec |
Fascinating how the football authorities pontificate over a solution when it’s blatantly simple, just introduce a wage cap at EFL level.
So what if bigger clubs with bigger gates could afford more than the previously proposed £18-19 mill a season (which incidentally is still more than only a few clubs could afford to exceed from revenue).
Let those clubs channel those savings into wages of back room and admin staff, improve facilities within the grounds, generally improve the experience for fans rather than continue to channel ever more money towards already vastly overpaid players.
It’s so simple yet they continue to go round in circles, deliberately in denial of the blatantly obvious. |  | | |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 11:07 - Mar 26 with 999 views | francisbowles |
| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 08:04 - Mar 26 by stevec |
Fascinating how the football authorities pontificate over a solution when it’s blatantly simple, just introduce a wage cap at EFL level.
So what if bigger clubs with bigger gates could afford more than the previously proposed £18-19 mill a season (which incidentally is still more than only a few clubs could afford to exceed from revenue).
Let those clubs channel those savings into wages of back room and admin staff, improve facilities within the grounds, generally improve the experience for fans rather than continue to channel ever more money towards already vastly overpaid players.
It’s so simple yet they continue to go round in circles, deliberately in denial of the blatantly obvious. |
So how does this compare to our current wage spend and therefore how much of our losses is it going to cover? | | | |
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| Financial fair play rules to be ripped up after Covid on 17:25 - Mar 27 with 796 views | Toast_R |
Bin it, its ridiculous, inconsistant and contrived.
A proper vetted football club owners criteria should exist where the EFL takes a holding deposit of about 5 to 10 million on any takeover which is returned on sale or used to pay off the debts when said owner goes belly up. |  | | |
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