| Warbs from West London Sport 10:14 - May 3 with 39779 views | daveB |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:11 - May 5 with 3000 views | francisbowles |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:07 - May 5 by LythamR |
I dont think we will get to the truth of this unless we got all the main protagonists in a room and injected them with truth serum
My own feeling is that Warburtons remit was changed along the line, in all probability due to pressure from the board and CEO to deliver a play off spot and hopefully promotion, he realises that he cant achieve that with what is available to come through internally but the board makes budget available and the die is cast, signals for this include the permanant signings of Johansson and Austin and season long loans of players we couldnt afford to buy, Gray and McCallum
It was a big punt and it nearly came off apart from above average bad luck with injuries and some poor performances, if Willock and Dieng had stayed fit we would probably have at least made the play offs and once there you always have a punchers chance as we know.
Warburton doesnt decide what budget is available and he certainly couldnt authorise the spending of it, that comes from above. MW is paying the price for a deviation from our avowed strategy and business model.
If that is the case shouldn't a significant finger be pointing at whoever sanctioned the punt and if i am wrong and its all down to Warburtons ambition and megalomania shouldn't the finger also be pointing at those responsible for letting him get away with it and setting us back 1/2 years in terms of the strategy.
I am not saying warburton covered himself in glory in the last few months but it does rather feel like he has been tossed under the bus whilst those around and above him walk away scott free |
Agree with a lot of this but he wasn't 'tossed under a bus'. He was out of contract and It was simply unjustifiable to offer him a new deal. |  | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:13 - May 5 with 2987 views | derbyhoop |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:27 - May 5 by slmrstid |
Something that has been raised on this thread, I think, or certainly elsewhere on this board, that is worth bearing in mind regarding the current crop of U23s...
Those players that have broke through to our first team and have since been sold or are still within the team, did go out on loan at decent levels and flourished, suggesting they would do well in our first team.
Examples...
- Darnell Furlong - did very well at Cambridge United and Northampton Town in Lgs 1/2
- Seny Dieng - was well liked at Dundee in the SPL, and Doncaster in League 1
- Ebere Eze - stormed it at Wycombe in Lg1
- Ilias Chair - "best player ever" at Stevenage in Lg2
- Joe Lumley - kept a ridiculous number of clean sheets at Blackpool and Bristol Rovers in Lgs 1/2 (I remember NorthernR once describing him as "statistical porn" for his clean sheet stats at those levels)
- Ryan Manning - had been in and around the first team but then went to Rotherham in that McLaren spell and did OK there - certainly scored a lot of penalties...
A anomaly, of sorts, here is Osman Kakay - if I remember rightly he had a fairly unremarkable spell at Chesterfield but then to be fair to him had the guts to go up to Scotland with Partick Thistle - looked down on by Todd Kane of course infamously but it must have been a hell of a culture shock for him and he should receive great credit for willing to go up there to play football. But then is Kakay really a top half Championship player? Probably not.
Looking at the current crop, have any of them gone to good levels and pulled up trees? Arguably not this year to suggest they could come in next year and be effective.
- Bettache - OK Oldham have been chaotic, which probably hasn't helped him, but you can argue cream should still rise to the top and he doesn't appear to have
- Kelman - not really done much at Gillingham
- Masterson - as above, same with Cambridge this year
- Armstrong - obviously doing well in the Conference this year but its a hell of a jump to say he could do it in the Championship next year - probably needs a good Lg1/Lg2 loan spell first - so could still change
- Duke-McKenna - see Armstrong really
All the others have gone to Conference South levels or lower, so they could come on strong still but again its a hell of a jump to say they could come in and be competitive in the Championship straight away. Even Jamie Vardy took a year going from Fleetwood to Leicester before he became more effective.
Given a managers job rests on results, I'm sure if Warburton thought any U18/U23 player could come in and have an impact he would have done so. So I'd be a bit wary of the Academy side foisting players onto the first team squad who aren't good enough as well. |
Whilst I agree with the general tenor I think you're being harsh on Masterson in particular. A decent loan at Cambridge and while at Gillingham reduced goals conceded to the point of almost staying up. That didn't look remotely likely with Evans in charge.
Whether that makes him a Championship standard CB or good squad cover remains to be seen.
Could say similar about Armstrong and SDM but both are young enough to move rapidly upwards. |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:16 - May 5 with 2983 views | Rangersw12 |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 10:58 - May 5 by Hunterhoop |
It’s still missing the point.
It’s not a choice. As a club of our size, with our tiny income, we MUST give opportunities to the better youth prospects. Whether they are good enough or not is a) subjective, and b) irrelevant. Tough for Warburton or whoever the manager is, but this the club we are. He, and the new guy, will know this on arrival.
The alternative to not giving youth chances is signings (loan or perm). But we don’t have the resources to do this. We lose £1.5m-£2m a month. The Board is covering this for now, but it won’t I definitely, and you need an Eze sale every 2-3 years to keep with FFP.
What people don’t seem to be appreciating is that Warburton got his way the last 12 months. Johansen, Gray, Hendrick, (Sanderson to a lesser degree) were all his men, cost us a lot in salary and all blocked opportunities for our own players, or took budget away from signing young players from elsewhere. The Board (and Les) backed him even if they disagreed with him. He was supported. The trade off was “we’ll back you, but it must be play offs” (and if no promotion, promotion the year after, I’d imagine) because the backing of Warburton getting his way isn’t/wasn’t financially sustainable OR in keeping with the clear ethos and identity of the club (developing young talent/pathway to first team). We’ve then collapsed spectacularly. Warburton got his way and Warburton is accountable.
We have 12 points from 16 games and one of the best players in that run was Amos who was dropped for the first 4 games of that spell after scoring against Reading for Hendrick.
Will the team be massively better with lots more opportunities/game time for younger players? Probably not. But if one turns out to be mustard, that’s us sorted financially each year. If several turn out to be good, they may take us up or bring in a lot of cash to buy established Champ players.
It is the only approach we can take. If your first team manager does not want to engage with that, you have a problem. The Board went with Warburton’s way recently in the hope of getting promotion (and the financial windfall it brings), but when that fails as it has, either he changes (they clearly felt he wouldn’t and childish behaviour of not talking to Paul Hall, etc, supports that) or they need to change him. |
Going by your post shouldn't the question be what's the point of a DOF if he's going to bow down and allow everything that the manager wants?
This also isn't the first time the DOF has allowed the manager to diviate from the grand plan and give them what he wants. Olly, McClaren etc [Post edited 5 May 2022 15:31]
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:23 - May 5 with 2945 views | slmrstid |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:01 - May 5 by Antti_Heinola |
I remember when Harry Kane and his cream rose to the top during his 4 months at norwich where he started 1 league game and scored one goal. |
Prior to Norwich Harry Kane had scored 14 in 45 for Leyton Orient and Millwall in League One and the Championship at 18 and 19 years old.
So....yeah I think he'd already done enough by that point to show potential to move up, even if Norwich didn't use him when he was 20 years old. [Post edited 5 May 2022 15:26]
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:33 - May 5 with 2896 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:23 - May 5 by slmrstid |
Prior to Norwich Harry Kane had scored 14 in 45 for Leyton Orient and Millwall in League One and the Championship at 18 and 19 years old.
So....yeah I think he'd already done enough by that point to show potential to move up, even if Norwich didn't use him when he was 20 years old. [Post edited 5 May 2022 15:26]
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yeah it's almost like we shouldn't write someone off after one loan isn't it? |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 16:11 - May 5 with 2768 views | slmrstid |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:33 - May 5 by Antti_Heinola |
yeah it's almost like we shouldn't write someone off after one loan isn't it? |
Well I would make an argument that 2 successful loans, and one unsuccessful one, gives more cause for optimism than one unsuccessful loan.
The ultimate truth will be found out in time. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 16:42 - May 5 with 2653 views | charmr |
The fact that the so many posters are offering their opinions about players pretty much sums up the whole conundrum. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 17:50 - May 5 with 2443 views | Hunterhoop |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:16 - May 5 by Rangersw12 |
Going by your post shouldn't the question be what's the point of a DOF if he's going to bow down and allow everything that the manager wants?
This also isn't the first time the DOF has allowed the manager to diviate from the grand plan and give them what he wants. Olly, McClaren etc [Post edited 5 May 2022 15:31]
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Far from it. The DOF can’t win with people who have an agenda or preconceptions as to his competence. If he turns down the request of a manager in the close season, after the second half of last season, or does likewise at the end of Jan when we’re 3rd, he would get pelters.
Equally, just because he’s DOF doesn’t mean he should be micromanaging. Set targets, provide resources, hold accountable. If Warburton or any manager wants something and makes a strong case, you’d hope and expect them to be supported, but also held accountable. |  | | |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 18:20 - May 5 with 2344 views | NewBee |
Interesting discussion (though I've only scanned it).
Three points stood out:
@MungoJezza:
"I also find it strange that the club seem fine with WLS being many fans' first port of call' when looking to find out what is really going on at the club. Does Dave Mc have an inside source, is there a mole? Surely big news such as Warbs' impending departure should be announced first via official club media channels (and, ideally, after telling the manager!)."
Have you considered the possiblilty that MW was told, then (ahem) "someone" blabbed to WLS before the club could get the official story out?
I only ask because it reminds me of the departure a few years back of a certain manager from another West London club not so far away from QPR.
@Hunter Hoop:
"There is also something that Dave Mc isn’t reporting yet, that I have heard, that is quite damaging to Warburton if it came out. He got his way, but it reflects very poorly on his judgement and May well have causes issues in the squad. "
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"He’s still been a good manager with a decent record, and seems a good guy (perhaps not as good/principled as some think) etc etc"
That last bit in parenthesis sounds familiar, while overall, Hunter Hoop's reasoning in his posts seem sound.
One further point occurs. Might MW's (presumably decent) salary not have been a factor? That is, should QPR appoint an up-and-coming young replacement who hasn't got a release fee, his salary could represent a useful saving over his predecessor - enough to pay the wages eg of a couple of promising 20 y.o.'s from League One?
Such an appointee would also be less likely to have his own set of coaches to bring in with him, or demand - and get - a big player budget.
I could be way off the mark, of course, but whoever does get the gig might tell you more about why MW no longer has it. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 18:30 - May 5 with 2335 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 14:10 - May 5 by Hunterhoop |
Your timelines are all out there.
SJ hasn’t trained properly since November supposedly but only went out of the side with a knock weeks after Hendrick arrived.
Hendrick was signed when we were 3rd an had been on a great run, with all the central midfielders fit and available.
Willock and Chair were both fit and playing.
Since Willock has been (only a handful of games ago), Hendrick hasn’t actually played much.
Dozzell had already played earlier in the season in some key wins. Agree he has his weaknesses but he has played well at times
Amos had played well in that Reading win just before Hendrick signed.
On the flip side, doubts were already creeping in on Austin’s mobility and we had only Gray and Dykes as alternatives, one of whom was injured soon after the transfer window.
I simply don’t think we needed Hendrick or most fans would have signed him. But I do agree that everyone expected him to have more of an impact and play better than he has!
Ultimately the collapse began way before Willock or Johansen were injured and before Dieng went out. |
Timelines are debatable imo as SJ was not training properly since November and Dieng and Willock were both crocked at Blackburn, with our real drop-off in form starting in the 2nd half v Cardiff imo, the last time we were to see Willock, which is no coincidence.
Its also debatable that we were in a false position at the end of January given the poor form of other teams, what was in hindsight a decent run of fixtures and Willock's superb run of form and goals.
After Peterboro away in the cup I saw the need for Hendrick, it was just his misfortune to only play one full game with Willock in the side. Willock imo gave us what Erikson gave Brentford, a class above the others and that match-winning ability.
Ultimately we were overly reliant on a fully fit Dieng, SJ and Willock to play the way Warburton wanted, and without those 3 and quality understudy's, the drop off in form was to be expected.
I thought Warburton got the balance right between inexperience (Dunne, Willock) and experience (SJ etc) and was, bar those key injuries, close to achieving a top 6 finish on a realistic budget (Austin and Gray aside).
If for some poor luck on injuries and being open and challenging about the Academy and the performance of its Managers he's lost his job, its a very high risk (wrong imo) call by the DoF, who is ultimately accountable to find a better replacement. I hope he can. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 18:42 - May 5 with 2286 views | QPR_Jim |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 15:13 - May 5 by derbyhoop |
Whilst I agree with the general tenor I think you're being harsh on Masterson in particular. A decent loan at Cambridge and while at Gillingham reduced goals conceded to the point of almost staying up. That didn't look remotely likely with Evans in charge.
Whether that makes him a Championship standard CB or good squad cover remains to be seen.
Could say similar about Armstrong and SDM but both are young enough to move rapidly upwards. |
Kelman improved when he went back after Evans left as well, he didn't score much but contributed well to the team and got plenty of minutes. |  | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 18:59 - May 5 with 2229 views | QPR_Jim |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 18:30 - May 5 by ParkRoyalR |
Timelines are debatable imo as SJ was not training properly since November and Dieng and Willock were both crocked at Blackburn, with our real drop-off in form starting in the 2nd half v Cardiff imo, the last time we were to see Willock, which is no coincidence.
Its also debatable that we were in a false position at the end of January given the poor form of other teams, what was in hindsight a decent run of fixtures and Willock's superb run of form and goals.
After Peterboro away in the cup I saw the need for Hendrick, it was just his misfortune to only play one full game with Willock in the side. Willock imo gave us what Erikson gave Brentford, a class above the others and that match-winning ability.
Ultimately we were overly reliant on a fully fit Dieng, SJ and Willock to play the way Warburton wanted, and without those 3 and quality understudy's, the drop off in form was to be expected.
I thought Warburton got the balance right between inexperience (Dunne, Willock) and experience (SJ etc) and was, bar those key injuries, close to achieving a top 6 finish on a realistic budget (Austin and Gray aside).
If for some poor luck on injuries and being open and challenging about the Academy and the performance of its Managers he's lost his job, its a very high risk (wrong imo) call by the DoF, who is ultimately accountable to find a better replacement. I hope he can. |
I think we were riding our luck a little before January anyway with some results being better than the performance suggested IIRC.
On Hendricks, in hindsight MW may have mis-managed that signing. He come to us essentially having only played internationals all season and was put straight in ahead of players like Amos and Dozzell who were match fit. If he'd introduced him slower maybe it would have worked better but Hendricks was already out of favour with the fans by the time he was match fit. Also his performances must have made those left out whether he was any better than them.
I think MW has to take responsibility, if he'd requested these signings and been denied he would be blaming the DOF and stating that if he got his way we would have been in the playoffs. It sounds like they backed him and it didn't work out as promised, so they decided he should go. Seems reasonable. If he'd have stuck a load of kids in and we finished 16th working on a much lower budget my guess is that he'd probably still have s job. It appears he wanted a bigger budget and more old heads to get promoted and as it is we're not much further up the table. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 19:33 - May 5 with 2096 views | PunteR |
I think Les Ferdinand and the board have made a rod for their own back. |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 20:28 - May 5 with 1984 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 19:33 - May 5 by PunteR |
I think Les Ferdinand and the board have made a rod for their own back. |
I fear you could be right, with ominous consequences.
I hope we're both wrong. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 20:37 - May 5 with 1948 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 11:38 - May 5 by Rangersw12 |
End of the day if we had beaten Peterborough and Cardiff at home we wouldn't even be having this conversation or thread anyway.
People can keep rewriting history but I really enjoyed the 3 years under Warburton, we played best football for years and he was a great ambassador for the club. We have an identity how to play which is something we haven't had for a long time
Now up to Hoos and Ferdinand to earn their 5 figure salary to find a better manager as otherwise they should be the next ones getting the chop and it will get toxic very quickly |
Indeed, everyone was loving the fact that we were in the play offs and most of the forum discussions were around who we buy when promoted. Warburton was the best thing since sliced bread ( pun absolutely intended). Injuries, poor form and conflicting strategic aims f*cked it up, end of.
Personally I don’t buy into all this bollocks about blooding mediocre youth players. If they are not good enough to get a game in front of Amos and Dozzell, then they are not good enough.
If the plan is to rely on them going forward, then look forward to a relegation scrap and these forums going into meltdown.
I hope the next manager knows what the hell he is getting himself into, as it’s seriously looking like he will be on a hiding to nothing. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 20:40 - May 5 with 1938 views | distortR |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 19:56 - May 4 by 1JD |
Every other club in the land is also sending out players on loan to lower leagues, we are certainly not in a camp of one. Far from it. This is the norm.
And thus, by extension, all other teams we play against u18s and u23s are also missing so called key players. It’s a level playing field.
The fact is the u18s have finished bottom for the last 3 seasons running. No amount of deflection by Paul Hall and co can cover that up, but somehow it is certainly fooling some with the narrative of it’s about “individuals not results”.
Finishing bottom for 3 seasons running is absolutely not good enough at ANY level of football. The 23s have been bottom all season and aren’t much better. Finally, if we do follow the flawed argument of Hall, and the team and results are irrelevant, but the focus is on individuals, where in the world are they? |
You can see the problem for the management here - youth teams underperforming and no pathway to the first team won't help us attract talented kids to QPR. So while I understand that, at that level, results aren't everything, I would counter with 'but they are something'.
And sorry, while nobody likes to be left in a state of uncertainty, I'm pretty sure many players at many clubs were told to go and prove they were worth a contract. Ours didn't, with the exception of Barbet.
Also, Dom Ball seems to have become person non grata after the peterborough cup game, and I do think he was missed at times - we were crying out for him on Friday night.
I wonder if some team selection has involved a touch of obduracy.
This from a supporter of Warburton. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 21:20 - May 5 with 1829 views | davman |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 20:37 - May 5 by Burnleyhoop |
Indeed, everyone was loving the fact that we were in the play offs and most of the forum discussions were around who we buy when promoted. Warburton was the best thing since sliced bread ( pun absolutely intended). Injuries, poor form and conflicting strategic aims f*cked it up, end of.
Personally I don’t buy into all this bollocks about blooding mediocre youth players. If they are not good enough to get a game in front of Amos and Dozzell, then they are not good enough.
If the plan is to rely on them going forward, then look forward to a relegation scrap and these forums going into meltdown.
I hope the next manager knows what the hell he is getting himself into, as it’s seriously looking like he will be on a hiding to nothing. |
I think I must have missed all those discussions on who would we buy when we got promoted. Maybe my Ignore Button is more prevalent than I thought. Are you thinking of THIS forum with that statement, Burnleyhoop? |  |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 21:20 - May 5 with 1831 views | DWQPR |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 20:40 - May 5 by distortR |
You can see the problem for the management here - youth teams underperforming and no pathway to the first team won't help us attract talented kids to QPR. So while I understand that, at that level, results aren't everything, I would counter with 'but they are something'.
And sorry, while nobody likes to be left in a state of uncertainty, I'm pretty sure many players at many clubs were told to go and prove they were worth a contract. Ours didn't, with the exception of Barbet.
Also, Dom Ball seems to have become person non grata after the peterborough cup game, and I do think he was missed at times - we were crying out for him on Friday night.
I wonder if some team selection has involved a touch of obduracy.
This from a supporter of Warburton. |
Was having a chat with a friend of mine who’s sister is the partner of one of the coaching team, shall we say. He didn’t know about what had been written in WLS and also that Warburton was a gonner. Beforehand he told me what the issues were and certainly it mirrored what has been reported. Basically Warburton wasn’t interested in the youth set up. Also said that at the moment with regards to getting in good youth talent they are pîssing in the wind in trying to compete with the ‘incentives’ offered by a couple of other clubs nearby. | |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 21:41 - May 5 with 1754 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 21:20 - May 5 by DWQPR |
Was having a chat with a friend of mine who’s sister is the partner of one of the coaching team, shall we say. He didn’t know about what had been written in WLS and also that Warburton was a gonner. Beforehand he told me what the issues were and certainly it mirrored what has been reported. Basically Warburton wasn’t interested in the youth set up. Also said that at the moment with regards to getting in good youth talent they are pîssing in the wind in trying to compete with the ‘incentives’ offered by a couple of other clubs nearby. |
Warburton always struck me as knowing what he wanted in his players (e.g. Leistner) and if he didn't rate what the Academy was offering why would he waste his time indulging it when he had a big enough job on his hands rebuilding the 1st Team on a limited budget?
Surely the Academy is the accountability of the DoF, Ramsey and Hall? | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 22:15 - May 5 with 1650 views | davman |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 21:41 - May 5 by ParkRoyalR |
Warburton always struck me as knowing what he wanted in his players (e.g. Leistner) and if he didn't rate what the Academy was offering why would he waste his time indulging it when he had a big enough job on his hands rebuilding the 1st Team on a limited budget?
Surely the Academy is the accountability of the DoF, Ramsey and Hall? |
We cannot realistically compete with all the clubs in the area though, can we? We will not be taking many 8-12 year old world beaters and hope to keep them before the Scum or some other "bigger" London Academy (and almost all others are bigger than us these days) nick them off us for a packet of peanuts and a curly wurly.
So, what is the point of running a battery farm for the big boys?
Would love to see the true economy of the academy. How much do we need to sell a player for and how often to make it a profitable venture? | |
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| Warbs from West London Sport on 22:49 - May 5 with 1567 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 21:20 - May 5 by davman |
I think I must have missed all those discussions on who would we buy when we got promoted. Maybe my Ignore Button is more prevalent than I thought. Are you thinking of THIS forum with that statement, Burnleyhoop? |
Ok, “most” might be a bit of an exaggeration, but discussions around how we would develop the team further if promoted definitely happened, particularly when we were (very briefly) close to taking the second automatic promotion spot.
Point being, everything looked rosy in the garden for a good 12 month period and I like many others was delighted with the supposed change in culture and professionalism the club appeared to have adopted.
It appears now that it was no more than a façade built on sand that very quickly slipped through the fingers of loyal supporters as the truth slowly begins to emerge.
We are in all sorts of trouble again, with discord and disharmony prevalent and a perfectly good manager ( if a bit stubborn and single minded) dismissed for trying to fulfill his remit, despite being hounded for not playing more academy players that are no where near ready for this league, let alone helping maintain a promotion push.
The incoming manager has six very good players on his hands when he arrives, unless we sell one or two, in which case he will only have four or five. What will his remit be for next season and what resources will he have to implement it ? Whichever way you look at it, I’d think twice before leaving a job they are currently thriving in to pick up the pieces at Rangers.
We are back to square one……again. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 00:09 - May 6 with 1464 views | Hunterhoop |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 21:41 - May 5 by ParkRoyalR |
Warburton always struck me as knowing what he wanted in his players (e.g. Leistner) and if he didn't rate what the Academy was offering why would he waste his time indulging it when he had a big enough job on his hands rebuilding the 1st Team on a limited budget?
Surely the Academy is the accountability of the DoF, Ramsey and Hall? |
Because, put simply, he/anyone cannot rebuild or simply build the first team without the academy. We do not have the budget to build a first team squad which does not include the best of the academy (regardless of how good/bad they are).
There is no the money.
That is not Les’ fault.
This year’s expenditure, last year’s expenditure is not sustainable without an Eze sale every 2 years.
So we have to use academy players to survive as a club.
That doesn’t mean we only use academy players, just some rather than more signings or loans. Any manager will have a tough job finding a balance that gets results but doesn’t cause us to go bust or get relegated. But that is the job, whether we (or Warburton) like it.
Rebuilding the first team, achieving sustainable improvement in 1st team performance, etc, goes hand in hand with the academy for a club of our annual income (c.£15-20m). I don’t get how people cannot understand this.
It is not a strategic choice. It’s a necessity for survival. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 03:24 - May 6 with 1353 views | superhoopdownunder |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 00:09 - May 6 by Hunterhoop |
Because, put simply, he/anyone cannot rebuild or simply build the first team without the academy. We do not have the budget to build a first team squad which does not include the best of the academy (regardless of how good/bad they are).
There is no the money.
That is not Les’ fault.
This year’s expenditure, last year’s expenditure is not sustainable without an Eze sale every 2 years.
So we have to use academy players to survive as a club.
That doesn’t mean we only use academy players, just some rather than more signings or loans. Any manager will have a tough job finding a balance that gets results but doesn’t cause us to go bust or get relegated. But that is the job, whether we (or Warburton) like it.
Rebuilding the first team, achieving sustainable improvement in 1st team performance, etc, goes hand in hand with the academy for a club of our annual income (c.£15-20m). I don’t get how people cannot understand this.
It is not a strategic choice. It’s a necessity for survival. |
The Academy must cost a bit to run - not sure the return has been there as the academy has only produced Darnell Furlong in a very long time.
Under 18's and Under 23's bottom of the league (again).
The other younger players that have done well we have bought or brought in from other clubs.
In my opinion we need to significantly improve our scouting and recruiting.
Focus needs to be on the First team and a second team whether that is a B team or Under 23's I'm not sure. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 04:27 - May 6 with 1322 views | nadera78 |
The article in the op says that a large part of the finance for the academy comes from central funding, eg governing bodies, so the cost to the club itself is much reduced.
Some people on here speaking about academy players as if they'd be asked to play every week, which is not what's being suggested. What we're really saying is that, for example, Bettache be used to fill in occasionally instead of signing Hendrick. The odd substitute appearance here and there really isn't too much to ask of a manager. | | | |
| Warbs from West London Sport on 06:53 - May 6 with 1187 views | Hoopsie |
The way i see it, even with the academy or u23 or B team, this is not the place to start looking for a replacement if first team players were unavailable (eg international commitment, injuries etc).
Look at our unprecedented goalkeeper crisis. Our first option is to look elsewhere when all first team keepers became unavailable. We brought in two 37+ yo experienced goalkeeper albeit not being playing regularly, before, under no other choice, put Murphy Mahoney between the sticks (for 2 games).
And, unmistakably, the boy got some positive reviews, here in this forum
But it takes so many obstacles before an academy player can have a chance to prove his worth.
And talking about sport science and recovery etc etc by Warburton, as well documented in official site, forum and podcasts, why is an "injured" Johanssen even playing when he supposedly carrying an injury since Nov last year. Makes no sense.
The academy is our strategy moving forward, and in building the new training ground HQ at Heston is anything to go by, it is a statement of intent.
Whether we have faith in producing quality players through the Academy or not, this is our roadmap in self-sustainability. I don't think we should only see this as getting 8-12 years old from around the local catchment area hoping they turn good, but also getting cast offs (like Eze) from other clubs into our academy and polish them into future stars. |  |
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