| Squad Depth... 10:09 - Jul 17 with 6594 views | davman |
... is going to be our problem this season clearly.
Of the players that have gone, have any of them weakened our current first choice XI? Possibly Odubajo on the right, but aside from that, from what we have seen to date (playing wise), JCS looks a good replacement of Yoann (although standfast whether he will be available as often); Paal has the energy of Wallace (standfast whether he will be as good though) and it won't take much to get a better output from whatever Charlie gets replaced with (sorry, but it's true...). The 'keepers had to go (we have an outstanding first choice and three OK alternatives already) and despite my view that De Wijs was the best we had in the three, he was injured too much.
In Midfield we have more than enough cover now, but we have no strength in depth at full back (still) and up top, we've gone for Bonne and Dykes before and it was hard, hard to watch. Kelman is not the answer and whether we like it or not, Armstrong needs to have a run somewhere before we decide.
There will be times through the season when we will have 4-5 players out and will be down to our 4th and 5th subs on a match day and it's those times I worry about.
Even though we don't want to sell are we best off selling one to buy four? |  |
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| Squad Depth... on 17:49 - Jul 17 with 3019 views | DavieQPR |
Moses on the whole was absolute crepe. Very occasionally put in a good performance on the wing but was let down by his defensive work time and time again. Bit like a good looking ex girlfriend you only remember the few good times and then exaggerate them in your own mind. |  | | |
| Squad Depth... on 20:54 - Jul 17 with 2831 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Squad Depth... on 17:49 - Jul 17 by DavieQPR |
Moses on the whole was absolute crepe. Very occasionally put in a good performance on the wing but was let down by his defensive work time and time again. Bit like a good looking ex girlfriend you only remember the few good times and then exaggerate them in your own mind. |
Take ourselves back 3 years to when Warburton started, he had a thin squad had to rebuild with no money. The position for Michael Beale is no different but we could argue that we have more proven quality now i.e. Dieng, Dickie, Amos, Johansen, Chair, Field, Willock, Adomah and Dykes. Think MB will be fine add a couple of late signings and it will be all rosy, as long as we don't lose either Dieng, Chair or Willock in this transfer window. |  | | |
| Squad Depth... on 21:24 - Jul 17 with 2750 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Squad Depth... on 17:49 - Jul 17 by DavieQPR |
Moses on the whole was absolute crepe. Very occasionally put in a good performance on the wing but was let down by his defensive work time and time again. Bit like a good looking ex girlfriend you only remember the few good times and then exaggerate them in your own mind. |
Moses was ok, not brilliant, not fit enough, looked like he could be very good if he got a run of games.
Miles better than Niko or Osman: would’ve kept him. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 23:52]
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| Squad Depth... on 21:30 - Jul 17 with 2733 views | distortR |
| Squad Depth... on 21:24 - Jul 17 by Ned_Kennedys |
Moses was ok, not brilliant, not fit enough, looked like he could be very good if he got a run of games.
Miles better than Niko or Osman: would’ve kept him. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 23:52]
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I quite liked him, but you could never rely on him to be fit, which wasn't his fault.
I can see why they didn't renew and imagine they'll get someone else in. It's all good. |  | | |
| Squad Depth... on 23:36 - Jul 17 with 2620 views | mylot50years |
| Squad Depth... on 10:51 - Jul 17 by stevec |
I’m wondering how far into the Championship schedule it’ll take before MB realises Dunne needs to be part of a 3 man back line. |
Agree and difficult to understand unless someone has been looking to sign him
Hopefully that is not the case | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 23:59 - Jul 17 with 2595 views | ed_83 |
For a team on our budget and resources, this is going to be a perennial problem. We can’t afford to rack and stack squad players, we aren’t going to produce Eze-size sales to reinvest every season, and part of finding value in the market involves us picking up players with dodgy injury records, meaning more reliance on squad players.
I think there are a few reasons for us to be optimistic though, or at least not panic too much. First, our medical and sports science teams seem to be doing a very decent job of keeping the players we do have as fit as possible. Hasn’t always worked perfectly, as with De Wijs last season, but think back to the season before and how well we did with injuries overall, or this latest reorganisation of various departments: it’s something we clearly take very seriously as a club.
And we’ve appointed MB with a remit not only to get the first team firing, but to develop talent throughout the squad. Niko and Charlie Owens and whoever else might or might not make it as Championship players, who knows, but it feels like we’re putting in place exactly the coaching and development framework required to help them succeed. Warburton wasn’t bad at this but clearly there were frictions. I’m optimistic that this is something Beale will improve on.
Also, remember that although the season starts earlier the trade-off is a four week break in the middle, which could be very useful for managing key players’ fitness and helping fringe players develop. Fully expect us to bring at least two new signings in before the season starts too. | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 00:17 - Jul 18 with 2579 views | mylot50years |
| Squad Depth... on 15:41 - Jul 17 by QPROslo |
Yes. I still struggle to understand why we didnt do more to keep Barbet who for me was by far our best and most reliable (fitness wise) CB the last 2 seasons. Apparently now he is still without a Club. Ball was I think a better back up to Field than any defensive midfielder we have now.
But the most illogical move we have made this summer is apparently letting Moses go off to Turkey, when he is a far better right back than we have on our books now, and can play left side equally well. He's sort the lack of quality we have now at both RB/LB or RWB/LWB. That he has seemingly got a new contract with Aris suggests he is close to full fitness again. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 15:44]
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| Squad Depth... on 08:45 - Jul 18 with 2374 views | A40Bosh |
| Squad Depth... on 15:41 - Jul 17 by QPROslo |
Yes. I still struggle to understand why we didnt do more to keep Barbet who for me was by far our best and most reliable (fitness wise) CB the last 2 seasons. Apparently now he is still without a Club. Ball was I think a better back up to Field than any defensive midfielder we have now.
But the most illogical move we have made this summer is apparently letting Moses go off to Turkey, when he is a far better right back than we have on our books now, and can play left side equally well. He's sort the lack of quality we have now at both RB/LB or RWB/LWB. That he has seemingly got a new contract with Aris suggests he is close to full fitness again. [Post edited 17 Jul 2022 15:44]
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Hi Oslo,
I think the recent interviews with MB highlight the fact that a decision was made by the board not to renew, unless it was on significantly reduced terms and I guess Barbet feels he can get a better deal elsewhere, so fair enough.
The interviews in the last week with MB clearly state that both Barbet and Wallace would have no sell on value after another 2-3 contract and therefore work was done to identify those younger players in their positions who could be developed and then sold on if necessary - which resulted in Jake C-S and Paal being signed.
3 years after Warbs came in the Board has now had more examples of a manager saying he needs more depth in the squad and experienced player loans to "get us up" and that not working. Therefore I think the remit for MB is going to be different. You develop them or buy uncut diamonds on the cheap and prove your worth as a coach. |  |
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| Squad Depth... on 12:52 - Jul 18 with 2220 views | davman |
The bit that leaps out is who is scoring goals. When Redknapp was in charge he said one thing that resonated with me, which was that you could roughly work out how many goals were in your team by looking at players previous seasons.
We are 100% dependent on the following getting into double digits this season: Chair, Willock and two of Dykes Bonne or Roberts. Amos will get 4-5, but Dozzell, Johansen and Field need to.be hitting those sorts of numbers too and that may be where we are lacking.
Face it, we won't get a 20 goal striker, so this is the stark reality we face... | |
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| Squad Depth... on 13:06 - Jul 18 with 2182 views | dmm |
| Squad Depth... on 12:52 - Jul 18 by davman |
The bit that leaps out is who is scoring goals. When Redknapp was in charge he said one thing that resonated with me, which was that you could roughly work out how many goals were in your team by looking at players previous seasons.
We are 100% dependent on the following getting into double digits this season: Chair, Willock and two of Dykes Bonne or Roberts. Amos will get 4-5, but Dozzell, Johansen and Field need to.be hitting those sorts of numbers too and that may be where we are lacking.
Face it, we won't get a 20 goal striker, so this is the stark reality we face... |
And yet, we scored 60 goals last season which was the second best total of those outside the top six. The goals were quite well distributed around the squad which I personally like. However, we conceded 59 goals which I think was more of a problem. |  | | |
| Squad Depth... on 15:10 - Jul 18 with 2064 views | Welsh_Ranger |
| Squad Depth... on 13:06 - Jul 18 by dmm |
And yet, we scored 60 goals last season which was the second best total of those outside the top six. The goals were quite well distributed around the squad which I personally like. However, we conceded 59 goals which I think was more of a problem. |
Didn't we all collectively have the same fear the summer we lost Hugill and Wells goals but we actually did better collectively?
I think if we tighten up at the back as again the goals conceded tally is too much then lets see. | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 15:12 - Jul 18 with 2062 views | PinnerPaul |
| Squad Depth... on 15:10 - Jul 18 by Welsh_Ranger |
Didn't we all collectively have the same fear the summer we lost Hugill and Wells goals but we actually did better collectively?
I think if we tighten up at the back as again the goals conceded tally is too much then lets see. |
Bit premature to talk about squad depth until the end of the transfer window IMHO. | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 13:31 - Jul 19 with 1810 views | stanistheman |
| Squad Depth... on 13:06 - Jul 18 by dmm |
And yet, we scored 60 goals last season which was the second best total of those outside the top six. The goals were quite well distributed around the squad which I personally like. However, we conceded 59 goals which I think was more of a problem. |
The majority of those goals were scored between August and November, with a few more in January. We struggled for goals from February onwards.
As it stands the squad is far weaker than last season . Whilst it can be said that we have adequate replacements for Barbet and Wallace in JCS and Paal, I will wait and see Roberts in action (has been injured so far) before I can say he will be at least as good as Gray (or even Austin who quite frankly had little support or service last season) .
Ball played 20 games last season before Field regained fitness, Odubajo 28, McCallum 17, Austin over 30, 28 for Gray,
If Kakay, Hamalainen, Bonne, Kelman have to play a similar amount we could have huge problems unless MB can dramatically improve them. | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 15:56 - Jul 19 with 1699 views | francisbowles |
| Squad Depth... on 13:31 - Jul 19 by stanistheman |
The majority of those goals were scored between August and November, with a few more in January. We struggled for goals from February onwards.
As it stands the squad is far weaker than last season . Whilst it can be said that we have adequate replacements for Barbet and Wallace in JCS and Paal, I will wait and see Roberts in action (has been injured so far) before I can say he will be at least as good as Gray (or even Austin who quite frankly had little support or service last season) .
Ball played 20 games last season before Field regained fitness, Odubajo 28, McCallum 17, Austin over 30, 28 for Gray,
If Kakay, Hamalainen, Bonne, Kelman have to play a similar amount we could have huge problems unless MB can dramatically improve them. |
You can't really compare Roberts with Austin or Gray. He's not that sort of player. He's more of a ten, very comfortable on the ball and good passer. Will be an option as a second striker or one of three behind a lone striker. He has played 45 against Crawley. | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 22:09 - Jul 19 with 1597 views | Myke |
| Squad Depth... on 13:31 - Jul 19 by stanistheman |
The majority of those goals were scored between August and November, with a few more in January. We struggled for goals from February onwards.
As it stands the squad is far weaker than last season . Whilst it can be said that we have adequate replacements for Barbet and Wallace in JCS and Paal, I will wait and see Roberts in action (has been injured so far) before I can say he will be at least as good as Gray (or even Austin who quite frankly had little support or service last season) .
Ball played 20 games last season before Field regained fitness, Odubajo 28, McCallum 17, Austin over 30, 28 for Gray,
If Kakay, Hamalainen, Bonne, Kelman have to play a similar amount we could have huge problems unless MB can dramatically improve them. |
Gosh I don't consider the squad 'far weaker' than last season at all. Firstly, as Beale pointed out, we have only lost 2 starting regulars, both who have been replaced with younger players. I loved Barbet's dependability, but he wasn't exactly a world class defender, and has been pointed out in the past, he was much better in a 3 which is not Beale's preferred formation.
Secondly, you are assuming the players we had last season are still operating at the same level. Some may have plateaued out, granted, but the likes of Chair Willock Amos and Dieng should perform better this season.
Speaking of Dieng, hopefully we'll have him for the full season and not just half like last year.
Finally new coach with new ideas should make us less predictable to play against, unlike the second half of last season | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 14:56 - Jul 20 with 1354 views | stanistheman |
| Squad Depth... on 22:09 - Jul 19 by Myke |
Gosh I don't consider the squad 'far weaker' than last season at all. Firstly, as Beale pointed out, we have only lost 2 starting regulars, both who have been replaced with younger players. I loved Barbet's dependability, but he wasn't exactly a world class defender, and has been pointed out in the past, he was much better in a 3 which is not Beale's preferred formation.
Secondly, you are assuming the players we had last season are still operating at the same level. Some may have plateaued out, granted, but the likes of Chair Willock Amos and Dieng should perform better this season.
Speaking of Dieng, hopefully we'll have him for the full season and not just half like last year.
Finally new coach with new ideas should make us less predictable to play against, unlike the second half of last season |
Of course the squad is weaker. The players I listed may not have been 1st choice but they played a third or more than half of the fixtures last season.
Hamalainen or McCallum. Odebajo or Kakay or even Drewe. Ball or Owens.
Beale may or may not be a success but he will have to be a messiah to improve Kakay or Hamalainen.
As for the other response about comparing Roberts with Gray or Austin, yes its true he sounds more like a N0.10 in which case neither striker from last season has been replaced, unless Bonne.can step up this season. We would still need another center forward.
Yes, we have time until the window closes, but it would be good to have some pre season with incoming players . | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 16:13 - Jul 20 with 1281 views | PinnerPaul |
| Squad Depth... on 14:56 - Jul 20 by stanistheman |
Of course the squad is weaker. The players I listed may not have been 1st choice but they played a third or more than half of the fixtures last season.
Hamalainen or McCallum. Odebajo or Kakay or even Drewe. Ball or Owens.
Beale may or may not be a success but he will have to be a messiah to improve Kakay or Hamalainen.
As for the other response about comparing Roberts with Gray or Austin, yes its true he sounds more like a N0.10 in which case neither striker from last season has been replaced, unless Bonne.can step up this season. We would still need another center forward.
Yes, we have time until the window closes, but it would be good to have some pre season with incoming players . |
Fair enough, last point is of course true, but unavoidable with the transfer deadline being where it is - as Clive has pointed out, this season its more pertinent because of the amount of games we have before the deadline. | | | |
| Squad Depth... on 16:14 - Jul 20 with 1273 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Squad Depth... on 23:59 - Jul 17 by ed_83 |
For a team on our budget and resources, this is going to be a perennial problem. We can’t afford to rack and stack squad players, we aren’t going to produce Eze-size sales to reinvest every season, and part of finding value in the market involves us picking up players with dodgy injury records, meaning more reliance on squad players.
I think there are a few reasons for us to be optimistic though, or at least not panic too much. First, our medical and sports science teams seem to be doing a very decent job of keeping the players we do have as fit as possible. Hasn’t always worked perfectly, as with De Wijs last season, but think back to the season before and how well we did with injuries overall, or this latest reorganisation of various departments: it’s something we clearly take very seriously as a club.
And we’ve appointed MB with a remit not only to get the first team firing, but to develop talent throughout the squad. Niko and Charlie Owens and whoever else might or might not make it as Championship players, who knows, but it feels like we’re putting in place exactly the coaching and development framework required to help them succeed. Warburton wasn’t bad at this but clearly there were frictions. I’m optimistic that this is something Beale will improve on.
Also, remember that although the season starts earlier the trade-off is a four week break in the middle, which could be very useful for managing key players’ fitness and helping fringe players develop. Fully expect us to bring at least two new signings in before the season starts too. |
I doubt that QPR's recruitment strategy is to sign players with poor fitness records in the vain hope that our medical team will pull off miracles that other clubs couldn't. For me, the strategy is more about unearthing rough diamonds, developing youth, and offering a pathway to the first team that isn't available at clubs that rack 'n' stack.
If budget prevents QPR from building large squads then it's imperative that the club avoids players with poor fitness track records. I think part of the driver for the recent overhaul of QPR's medical and sports science departments was last season's crippling injury list. You just can't afford that many injuries when the depth in squad is shallow.
That being said, I agree that there are reasons for optimism in the medium term provided the club can retain key players, keep the core group fit and make some good additions in certain areas. [Post edited 20 Jul 2022 16:16]
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