| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official 15:49 - Jan 23 with 7880 views | RangersDave |
sacked apparently, only a few days before his first year there was up. lol [Post edited 23 Jan 2023 16:09]
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:52 - Jan 23 with 1932 views | Superhoop83 |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 16:35 - Jan 23 by DWQPR |
They need a manager who is honest and has great integrity. |
Lampard's dire management of Everton was careless and not deliberate, so we need to move on and focus on the people's priorities. |  |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:59 - Jan 23 with 1917 views | daveB |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 19:26 - Jan 23 by PeterHucker |
If he was serious about actually wanting to be a really good manager then he’d go and learn his trade lower down the League pyramid. That’s what pretty much every single successful manager does.
Some big name ex pros like Lumplard think they can just go in at Championship / Premier League level because they’re too arrogant to believe they might actually need to get good at their job first.
Lampard is part of the Redknapp clan so he knows just like that cünt Arry did that if you just take a few journos out for lunch & pay for it you’ll get positive coverage no matter how many clubs you fail at.
Some other gullible and desperate chairman will give him a job soon no doubt. Wish I could be shit at my job and still get awarded lucrative contracts. |
Possibly although likes of Paul Ince, Teddy Sherringham and Sol Campbell tried it that way starting at the bottom and then never got decent jobs. I'm not sure you have to start at the bottom to make it as a manager |  | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:15 - Jan 23 with 1873 views | HuckerMOTM |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 19:13 - Jan 23 by daveB |
Every manager fails at Everton, maybe the manager isn't the problem.
Lampard's not been very good but credit to him for at least trying to be a manager rather than go into being a pundit. |
Exactly, he could have easily sat back on his millions and enjoyed a far easier life or, as you say, gone into punditry to speak bollox but decided to take the harder option.
He wasn't good enough but he gave it a crack and there's a lot to be said about that.
Of course, however, the adults incapable of writing 'Chelsea' without asterisks or symbols - who also think they are VERY funny - will disagree but if he had been a success they would have said it was only the money which allowed him to be.... |  | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:16 - Jan 23 with 1869 views | HuckerMOTM |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 19:13 - Jan 23 by daveB |
Every manager fails at Everton, maybe the manager isn't the problem.
Lampard's not been very good but credit to him for at least trying to be a manager rather than go into being a pundit. |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:24 - Jan 23 with 1833 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:59 - Jan 23 by daveB |
Possibly although likes of Paul Ince, Teddy Sherringham and Sol Campbell tried it that way starting at the bottom and then never got decent jobs. I'm not sure you have to start at the bottom to make it as a manager |
Maybe they didn't get decent jobs because they weren't deemed very good at the ones they had. Although I think when Ince got the Blackburn job, they were in the Prem.
If I were an Evertonian and my board appointed Lampard as manager after his time at Derby and Chelsea, I think I'd know where to start looking for the problem. |  |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:30 - Jan 23 with 1801 views | daveB |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:24 - Jan 23 by PlanetHonneywood |
Maybe they didn't get decent jobs because they weren't deemed very good at the ones they had. Although I think when Ince got the Blackburn job, they were in the Prem.
If I were an Evertonian and my board appointed Lampard as manager after his time at Derby and Chelsea, I think I'd know where to start looking for the problem. |
Just think it's not clear cut that managers should start at the bottom as there is little evidence that anyone who starts at the bottom actually goes on to do well.
I'd agree Lampard isn't very good though, not for a second suggesting otherwise | | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:38 - Jan 23 with 1769 views | QPR_Jim |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:30 - Jan 23 by daveB |
Just think it's not clear cut that managers should start at the bottom as there is little evidence that anyone who starts at the bottom actually goes on to do well.
I'd agree Lampard isn't very good though, not for a second suggesting otherwise |
You don't have to start at the bottom but you'd expect to maybe take some assistant roles before jumping into the manager role. As far as I can tell he took some training for the Chelsea youth teams then landed the managers job at Derby. He may have worked with many top coaches as a player but I think he (and all prospective football managers) should have spent more time learning what it's like on the other side of the relationship (at first team level) before taking the top job. |  | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 22:48 - Jan 23 with 1662 views | Boston |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:31 - Jan 23 by PeterHucker |
I have a few relatives in the Ilford area.
Many years ago after Frank Lampard Senior had retired from football but before his son was well-known my cousin told me this story about Lampard Senior.....
Apparently he used to go for a run every morning and he would stop in the same place every morning and do an alfresco shıt.
I have no idea if there is any truth in this. It seems unlikely but that hasn't stopped me from repeating this story as fact whenever I get the chance to do so. |
I also knew people in that part of town, they told me Frank senior was the type of individual who could do whatever he liked. | |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 22:55 - Jan 23 with 1654 views | distortR |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:31 - Jan 23 by PeterHucker |
I have a few relatives in the Ilford area.
Many years ago after Frank Lampard Senior had retired from football but before his son was well-known my cousin told me this story about Lampard Senior.....
Apparently he used to go for a run every morning and he would stop in the same place every morning and do an alfresco shıt.
I have no idea if there is any truth in this. It seems unlikely but that hasn't stopped me from repeating this story as fact whenever I get the chance to do so. |
'lampards shit'.
Sounds about right. | | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 23:42 - Jan 23 with 1609 views | connell10 |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 16:35 - Jan 23 by DWQPR |
They need a manager who is honest and has great integrity. |
Go on Mick you know ya want to ...you sack of shite. |  |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 06:21 - Jan 24 with 1487 views | CamberleyR |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:24 - Jan 23 by PlanetHonneywood |
Maybe they didn't get decent jobs because they weren't deemed very good at the ones they had. Although I think when Ince got the Blackburn job, they were in the Prem.
If I were an Evertonian and my board appointed Lampard as manager after his time at Derby and Chelsea, I think I'd know where to start looking for the problem. |
"Although I think when Ince got the Blackburn job, they were in the Prem"
They were. Also, small bit of credit to Ince as he actually did start at the very bottom with Macclesfield rock bottom of L2 who he kept up which led to him getting the Franchise FC job. He won L2 with them which got him the Blackburn job. |  |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 08:23 - Jan 24 with 1402 views | TheChef |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 16:31 - Jan 23 by ted_hendrix |
Of course he's been sacked, he was a failure as a previous Manager and should never have been given the job at Everton In the first place. |
Lampard and Gerrard are the classic examples of it's not what you know it's who you know. Funny handshakes and all that. |  |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 10:39 - Jan 24 with 1292 views | CamberleyR |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 21:30 - Jan 23 by daveB |
Just think it's not clear cut that managers should start at the bottom as there is little evidence that anyone who starts at the bottom actually goes on to do well.
I'd agree Lampard isn't very good though, not for a second suggesting otherwise |
There's a good few examples actually of people starting at the bottom eventually doing well.
Neil Warnock - Started in non league
David Pleat - Started in non league
Ron Saunders - Started in non league
Lawrie McMenemy - Started in non league
Graham Taylor - Started in division four
Ron Atkinson - Started in division four
Martin O'Neill - Started in non league
Granted all bar Martin O'Neill, none of them had very stellar playing careers so you wouldn't have expected them to have walked into any bigger job when they finished playing but still they all went on to be pretty successful starting from a low base and had a good grounding at that level before getting bigger jobs.
O'Neill is probably the most striking example. Very good playing career, European Cup winner, captained N. Ireland at a World Cup but started at Grantham Town then in the Southern League Midland division which would be about two divisions below the National League today before getting the Wycombe job who he took into the Football League. | |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 11:43 - Jan 24 with 1230 views | daveB |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 10:39 - Jan 24 by CamberleyR |
There's a good few examples actually of people starting at the bottom eventually doing well.
Neil Warnock - Started in non league
David Pleat - Started in non league
Ron Saunders - Started in non league
Lawrie McMenemy - Started in non league
Graham Taylor - Started in division four
Ron Atkinson - Started in division four
Martin O'Neill - Started in non league
Granted all bar Martin O'Neill, none of them had very stellar playing careers so you wouldn't have expected them to have walked into any bigger job when they finished playing but still they all went on to be pretty successful starting from a low base and had a good grounding at that level before getting bigger jobs.
O'Neill is probably the most striking example. Very good playing career, European Cup winner, captained N. Ireland at a World Cup but started at Grantham Town then in the Southern League Midland division which would be about two divisions below the National League today before getting the Wycombe job who he took into the Football League. |
They are all a very long time ago, I'm not sure that's the case anymore certainly for someone who was a big name as a player I think them starting at the bottom had an adverse affect these days. Scholes another who went for a start at the bottom approach and got nowhere, everyone has different skill sets and if as a player you have spent all your career at the top of the game working with the best players and coaches I'm not sure you are going to be any good in league two.
You also get a reputation quite quickly, you mention Warnock and he was never going to get a Premier League job despite him doing so well in the lower leagues.
Of course Lampards name as a player got him these jobs, and it's then upto him to take those opportunities, he clearly hasn't but think he would have been mad to turn them down and look to start at the bottom | | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 12:03 - Jan 24 with 1187 views | Juzzie |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:13 - Jan 23 by ted_hendrix |
* credit to him for at least trying to be a manager*
No, credit to him for being a Managerial fraud who's learnt the art of attaining big fat pay off cheque's.
Credit?? do me a favour. |
Frank said at the weekend that he wasn't scared of the sack.
When you are worth something like £60m and would get another handsome pay-off, of course you wouldn't be scared.
Unless Chairman wake up quickly, he'll be the next generation of Alladyce's just doing the club merry-go-round. |  | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:12 - Jan 24 with 1092 views | ngbqpr |
Klopp, Wenger, Potter, Tuchel, De Zerbi etc etc
Plenty of managers who've started lower down and worked their way up - because (a) they were good; (b) bigger clubs were prepared to take a punt rather than being wowed by a Lampard or Gerrard. |  |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:14 - Jan 24 with 1088 views | PinnerPaul |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 19:13 - Jan 23 by daveB |
Every manager fails at Everton, maybe the manager isn't the problem.
Lampard's not been very good but credit to him for at least trying to be a manager rather than go into being a pundit. |
Could you call Moyes a 'failure'?
Genuine question, can't be bothered to look up where they were when he took over, his win%, transfer dealings etc [Post edited 24 Jan 2023 14:15]
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:17 - Jan 24 with 1080 views | PinnerPaul |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:29 - Jan 23 by LazyFan |
He also spent loads with Everton; Deli Ali comes to mind!
Kia was also involved; it looks like Candle face management to me.
They need some quality signings on the cheap from the Champ. I would say £10m for a Keeper, £20m for a playmaker and another £10m for a centre forward. That's only the same £40m amount paid for Deli Ali.
If only a Champ team had all of that available at those low prices, then they could save themselves! |
Think a few eyebrows might be raised if you spend £10M on a position which is currently filled by the England GK - not a fan myself - but surely a GK is not a priority? | | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:18 - Jan 24 with 1078 views | PinnerPaul |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:31 - Jan 23 by PeterHucker |
I have a few relatives in the Ilford area.
Many years ago after Frank Lampard Senior had retired from football but before his son was well-known my cousin told me this story about Lampard Senior.....
Apparently he used to go for a run every morning and he would stop in the same place every morning and do an alfresco shıt.
I have no idea if there is any truth in this. It seems unlikely but that hasn't stopped me from repeating this story as fact whenever I get the chance to do so. |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:26 - Jan 24 with 1061 views | TheChef |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 22:55 - Jan 23 by distortR |
'lampards shit'.
Sounds about right. |
Brings a whole new meaning to Frank LumpHard. | |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:44 - Jan 24 with 1024 views | PinnerPaul |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 11:43 - Jan 24 by daveB |
They are all a very long time ago, I'm not sure that's the case anymore certainly for someone who was a big name as a player I think them starting at the bottom had an adverse affect these days. Scholes another who went for a start at the bottom approach and got nowhere, everyone has different skill sets and if as a player you have spent all your career at the top of the game working with the best players and coaches I'm not sure you are going to be any good in league two.
You also get a reputation quite quickly, you mention Warnock and he was never going to get a Premier League job despite him doing so well in the lower leagues.
Of course Lampards name as a player got him these jobs, and it's then upto him to take those opportunities, he clearly hasn't but think he would have been mad to turn them down and look to start at the bottom |
Difficult to generalise isn't it?
Kompany and Viera have made decent starts after stellar playing careers and no "apprenticeship" as such. | | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:57 - Jan 24 with 985 views | daveB |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:12 - Jan 24 by ngbqpr |
Klopp, Wenger, Potter, Tuchel, De Zerbi etc etc
Plenty of managers who've started lower down and worked their way up - because (a) they were good; (b) bigger clubs were prepared to take a punt rather than being wowed by a Lampard or Gerrard. |
Different type of managers though, none of them were superstars as players which is what I was getting at so their path to the top was very different. I think it's harder for the big name players to start managing lower down the leagues and when they do like Scholes, Sherringham etc it's rare they get a second chance. | | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:58 - Jan 24 with 974 views | daveB |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 14:14 - Jan 24 by PinnerPaul |
Could you call Moyes a 'failure'?
Genuine question, can't be bothered to look up where they were when he took over, his win%, transfer dealings etc [Post edited 24 Jan 2023 14:15]
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meant more since the takeover, Moyes did a good job there but last 5/6 years been a shambles at Everton.
Far better managers than Lampard have struggled there | | | |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 15:55 - Jan 24 with 891 views | numptydumpty |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 16:35 - Jan 23 by DWQPR |
They need a manager who is honest and has great integrity. |
Who fits that bill then ????
Errmm.
Can't imagine !!!!! 🤣🤣🤣 |  |
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| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 16:03 - Jan 24 with 856 views | numptydumpty |
| Fat Frank Lumpard gone ,Official on 20:31 - Jan 23 by PeterHucker |
I have a few relatives in the Ilford area.
Many years ago after Frank Lampard Senior had retired from football but before his son was well-known my cousin told me this story about Lampard Senior.....
Apparently he used to go for a run every morning and he would stop in the same place every morning and do an alfresco shıt.
I have no idea if there is any truth in this. It seems unlikely but that hasn't stopped me from repeating this story as fact whenever I get the chance to do so. |
Random very random knowledge !!!
Bit of a sh*tty ending !!!
Fnaar fnaar !!! 🙃 [Post edited 24 Jan 2023 16:04]
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