| Gaffer on Saturday 18:27 - Apr 13 with 5170 views | bosh67 |
https://www.qpr.co.uk/videos/i
I really enjoy his enthusiasm. I hope we make it out of this. I hope he gets the chance to build a side in his image. I hope Coventry are unusually awful. |  |
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| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:00 - Apr 14 with 1345 views | Northernr |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 14:59 - Apr 14 by DannyPaddox |
For the record I never did. I saw him as a snivelling whiny Chels from day 1. He was a talker but to me it was smoke and mirrors and reinventing the wheel. Even when we had those 3 seconds at the top of the league I never warmed to him. Never expected it to play out like it did though. Absolute wånker. |
As Bluce Ree said - the Chelsea was too strong in that one. |  | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:09 - Apr 14 with 1321 views | QPROslo |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 14:59 - Apr 14 by DannyPaddox |
For the record I never did. I saw him as a snivelling whiny Chels from day 1. He was a talker but to me it was smoke and mirrors and reinventing the wheel. Even when we had those 3 seconds at the top of the league I never warmed to him. Never expected it to play out like it did though. Absolute wånker. |
Me neither. Seem to remember he tended to contradict some of the bolx he had fed the media earlier. |  | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:17 - Apr 14 with 1299 views | Northernr |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:09 - Apr 14 by QPROslo |
Me neither. Seem to remember he tended to contradict some of the bolx he had fed the media earlier. |
A couple of classics from his interview with us in June...
My preference is to do permanents and not loans. If I can avoid loans I will. For our club, where we are, we need players who want to be at QPR, not escape in 15 games time because the water’s a bit hot and the heat is too much for them in the Championship. I want people who want to be here to grow.
(postcript - signs Laird, Iroegbunam, Roberts, Richards)
They lack a few grey hairs but how many Championship games do you have to play to be classed as ‘experienced’? Jimmy Dunne played 40 games last year. Does he need 40 more to know how to play in the Championship, or does he know now? If I bring somebody, another Yoann, in to hold his hand and Rob’s hand, yeh we’ve got experience, but when do I let these kids grow up? As a father when do you let go of your kid’s hand to allow them to grow up with a bit of independence. That’s what I’m emphasising to the players.
(postscript - signs Balogun) | | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:27 - Apr 14 with 1242 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 14:48 - Apr 14 by PinnerPaul |
NW DID shout out Faurlin once - said he should have fouled oppo player on the way to us conceding - remember that didn't go down well with the fans either.
Heard him say a few times - "That was Sunday league stuff" about goals his sides have conceded.
Personal view but we're back in the land where NW NEVER says or does anything wrong - but as I say that's probably just me! |
Ah, well, ok, I think you're on a different track here Pinner.
Firstly, Warnock specifically said in hos book he made a huge mistake in shouting at Ale like that, deeply regretted it, and apologised soon after and again in the book. So not the best example for you to counter with. Nor did that happen in public, which was my point.
I think 'that was Sunday league stuff' or 'mistake made for a goal' is completely different, and managers will do that almost every week. Even this week Gaz was saying defending from set pieces is poor. That's a completely different kettle of fish to saying 'i thought this lot were a bunch of losers, and seems they are' (aware that is an exaggerated paraphrasing - excuse me). Every week a manager will criticise 'individual errors' or 'should have done better with that'. Very, very different.
And we are absolutely not in the land where NW never says or does anything wrong. I posted a huge thing only the other day pointing out how patchy his record has been since leaving us, with some great successes mixed with some pretty ordinary periods. I was more using him as an example of how he builds team spirit and does it quickly and comparing it favourably with Critchley's cack-handed approach to psychology. I used it because the team NW took over was in a similarly parlous state in terms of mentality but his methods were very different to Critchley's.
So yes, it probably is you ;) |  |
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| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:31 - Apr 14 with 1225 views | numptydumpty |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:17 - Apr 14 by Northernr |
A couple of classics from his interview with us in June...
My preference is to do permanents and not loans. If I can avoid loans I will. For our club, where we are, we need players who want to be at QPR, not escape in 15 games time because the water’s a bit hot and the heat is too much for them in the Championship. I want people who want to be here to grow.
(postcript - signs Laird, Iroegbunam, Roberts, Richards)
They lack a few grey hairs but how many Championship games do you have to play to be classed as ‘experienced’? Jimmy Dunne played 40 games last year. Does he need 40 more to know how to play in the Championship, or does he know now? If I bring somebody, another Yoann, in to hold his hand and Rob’s hand, yeh we’ve got experience, but when do I let these kids grow up? As a father when do you let go of your kid’s hand to allow them to grow up with a bit of independence. That’s what I’m emphasising to the players.
(postscript - signs Balogun) |
Isn't Mr Pot Belly not exactly flavour of the month as Celtic have got past him easily in their three meetings so far I believe.
Always weird to go up to two horse league and Championship truly is a great league for managers to prove their credentials and if he was going to leave for better things then surely Wolves in the premier league is by far the more prestigious appointment.
All mad.
Yes but regards pre post match interviews - its all a bit of a merryground and as others say how many different ways can you respond to the same questions match after match but a necessary evil in our media obsessed world as it is today !!!! [Post edited 14 Apr 2023 15:32]
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| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:32 - Apr 14 with 1221 views | PinnerPaul |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:27 - Apr 14 by Antti_Heinola |
Ah, well, ok, I think you're on a different track here Pinner.
Firstly, Warnock specifically said in hos book he made a huge mistake in shouting at Ale like that, deeply regretted it, and apologised soon after and again in the book. So not the best example for you to counter with. Nor did that happen in public, which was my point.
I think 'that was Sunday league stuff' or 'mistake made for a goal' is completely different, and managers will do that almost every week. Even this week Gaz was saying defending from set pieces is poor. That's a completely different kettle of fish to saying 'i thought this lot were a bunch of losers, and seems they are' (aware that is an exaggerated paraphrasing - excuse me). Every week a manager will criticise 'individual errors' or 'should have done better with that'. Very, very different.
And we are absolutely not in the land where NW never says or does anything wrong. I posted a huge thing only the other day pointing out how patchy his record has been since leaving us, with some great successes mixed with some pretty ordinary periods. I was more using him as an example of how he builds team spirit and does it quickly and comparing it favourably with Critchley's cack-handed approach to psychology. I used it because the team NW took over was in a similarly parlous state in terms of mentality but his methods were very different to Critchley's.
So yes, it probably is you ;) |
Fair enough - BUT he definitely DID criticise AF in public - it wasn't years later I found out about it - it happened at the time.
Yes I admit its probably just me who finds the if only NW ........ posts bit tedious and fair enough if you have highlighted his not so excellent record at some clubs.
TBF I find the general notion of if only this player had stayed, if only this player was picked, if only we had got that manager a bit fanciful, so that's where I come from with NW as well I think. | | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:33 - Apr 14 with 1221 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:17 - Apr 14 by Northernr |
A couple of classics from his interview with us in June...
My preference is to do permanents and not loans. If I can avoid loans I will. For our club, where we are, we need players who want to be at QPR, not escape in 15 games time because the water’s a bit hot and the heat is too much for them in the Championship. I want people who want to be here to grow.
(postcript - signs Laird, Iroegbunam, Roberts, Richards)
They lack a few grey hairs but how many Championship games do you have to play to be classed as ‘experienced’? Jimmy Dunne played 40 games last year. Does he need 40 more to know how to play in the Championship, or does he know now? If I bring somebody, another Yoann, in to hold his hand and Rob’s hand, yeh we’ve got experience, but when do I let these kids grow up? As a father when do you let go of your kid’s hand to allow them to grow up with a bit of independence. That’s what I’m emphasising to the players.
(postscript - signs Balogun) |
Yep, I think you went a bit overboard with both of those two as well, Clive, I'm sorry.
Intentions are one thing, but circumstances change, and you have to adapt. I agree with you broadly, but I'm not really on board with the whole 'he said this then did this' thing. I think his crime there was more talking openly about his intentions rather than going back on them. I don't think, for example, he said that to you while simultaneously thinking 'although I'll probably get four loans in' (one as you know was a loan to buy, so fits in with what he said anyway - two, arguably, if you include Roberts and we have a laugh and say promotion was a possibility). I'm pretty sure, even with his record, that what he said there was his honest opinion, but he had to change and adapt later when things fell through or perhaps the team wasn't what he initially thought it was. Yep, his own bombast has consequences, I agree, but I'd rather someone adapt than think 'well, I said that, so I better stick with it, even if it's ultimately the wrong thing to do.' I think as always, things are much more nuanced and complex.
Or, yep, maybe he just lies and bullsh!ts all the time, which is possible! | |
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| Gaffer on Saturday on 16:13 - Apr 14 with 1145 views | Northernr |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:33 - Apr 14 by Antti_Heinola |
Yep, I think you went a bit overboard with both of those two as well, Clive, I'm sorry.
Intentions are one thing, but circumstances change, and you have to adapt. I agree with you broadly, but I'm not really on board with the whole 'he said this then did this' thing. I think his crime there was more talking openly about his intentions rather than going back on them. I don't think, for example, he said that to you while simultaneously thinking 'although I'll probably get four loans in' (one as you know was a loan to buy, so fits in with what he said anyway - two, arguably, if you include Roberts and we have a laugh and say promotion was a possibility). I'm pretty sure, even with his record, that what he said there was his honest opinion, but he had to change and adapt later when things fell through or perhaps the team wasn't what he initially thought it was. Yep, his own bombast has consequences, I agree, but I'd rather someone adapt than think 'well, I said that, so I better stick with it, even if it's ultimately the wrong thing to do.' I think as always, things are much more nuanced and complex.
Or, yep, maybe he just lies and bullsh!ts all the time, which is possible! |
Nah, it's Beale. He's completely full of sht. He just cannot help himself. | | | |
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| Gaffer on Saturday on 16:15 - Apr 14 with 1143 views | Headington |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 15:33 - Apr 14 by Antti_Heinola |
Yep, I think you went a bit overboard with both of those two as well, Clive, I'm sorry.
Intentions are one thing, but circumstances change, and you have to adapt. I agree with you broadly, but I'm not really on board with the whole 'he said this then did this' thing. I think his crime there was more talking openly about his intentions rather than going back on them. I don't think, for example, he said that to you while simultaneously thinking 'although I'll probably get four loans in' (one as you know was a loan to buy, so fits in with what he said anyway - two, arguably, if you include Roberts and we have a laugh and say promotion was a possibility). I'm pretty sure, even with his record, that what he said there was his honest opinion, but he had to change and adapt later when things fell through or perhaps the team wasn't what he initially thought it was. Yep, his own bombast has consequences, I agree, but I'd rather someone adapt than think 'well, I said that, so I better stick with it, even if it's ultimately the wrong thing to do.' I think as always, things are much more nuanced and complex.
Or, yep, maybe he just lies and bullsh!ts all the time, which is possible! |
Interesting exchange between you two on Beale. I recall that Les said to Clive in that interview that he didn't know Beale had previously been offered the Glasgow Rangers job when Gerrard left but chose to go with Gerrard to Villa. He (Les) only found out about it later. That seems a little unlikely to me and in any case a bit more research might have made them more aware of his intentions.
Re the loans, Les also said in that interview that the club had already been looking at several of those players - again not sure who and how many were Beale's.
'Refreshing honesty' or bullshit aside, one thing we did get from Beale's interviews was a bit more analysis of the games and hint at tactics. Gareth's interviews seem mainly about mentality, how much he loves the club and, despite the performances, how good the players are. | | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 16:23 - Apr 14 with 1120 views | E15Hoop |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 16:15 - Apr 14 by Headington |
Interesting exchange between you two on Beale. I recall that Les said to Clive in that interview that he didn't know Beale had previously been offered the Glasgow Rangers job when Gerrard left but chose to go with Gerrard to Villa. He (Les) only found out about it later. That seems a little unlikely to me and in any case a bit more research might have made them more aware of his intentions.
Re the loans, Les also said in that interview that the club had already been looking at several of those players - again not sure who and how many were Beale's.
'Refreshing honesty' or bullshit aside, one thing we did get from Beale's interviews was a bit more analysis of the games and hint at tactics. Gareth's interviews seem mainly about mentality, how much he loves the club and, despite the performances, how good the players are. |
I don't see that changing in the short-term, especially given our current predicament.
Plus I think we're all agreed anyway that it IS mentality that's the biggest issue with this group of players, rather than wat system we play. | | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 17:14 - Apr 14 with 1035 views | PhilmyRs |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 16:23 - Apr 14 by E15Hoop |
I don't see that changing in the short-term, especially given our current predicament.
Plus I think we're all agreed anyway that it IS mentality that's the biggest issue with this group of players, rather than wat system we play. |
You need to change mentality of Team, but we can't afford (both for our performances and future sell on value of players) to do away with playing style. We have Chris Willock, arguably on form one of the best at this level, Chair, a class act that we possibly should have cashed in on earlier, Taylor Richards, if fit looks like he has ability, Sinclair Armstrong hopefully has a chance, Dickie, if he's not gone too far mentally still has some potential sell on value. We can't ignore these players for the characters like Chris Martin and Balgoun.
Hopefully it's a short term fix as the Manager thinks it's our best way out this mess but if next season we have a much older team with Martin, Balagoun, Jimmy D (at right back) and a Josh Scowen type midfield, we may survive in the championship playing aggressive in your face football but highly unlikely to have developed any jewels to have sold on for a decent wedge, something we have to do to make progress.
The key always is balance - mix of flair, talent and youth, with experienced championship pros. I'm just worried we're heading for a team of "characters" and the expense of "youth and ability". Time will tell. But agree, priority is staying in the Division. | | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 17:21 - Apr 14 with 1029 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 14:59 - Apr 14 by DannyPaddox |
For the record I never did. I saw him as a snivelling whiny Chels from day 1. He was a talker but to me it was smoke and mirrors and reinventing the wheel. Even when we had those 3 seconds at the top of the league I never warmed to him. Never expected it to play out like it did though. Absolute wånker. |
I’m ashamed to say I fully brought the monorail proposal |  | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 22:39 - Apr 14 with 872 views | TheChef |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 14:01 - Apr 14 by Northernr |
Saint Mick teed off on them after Charlton, another cup game, which was only three games into the season and his reign, and they chose to respond very differently.
We go round and round on here about various theories and what's gone wrong etc and while of course there are all the structural problems with the club that I did in the preview last week, for me it very often comes back to a lot of our players are dicks.
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Er well yeah they're modern professional footballers earning stupid money to kick a ball around.
I can fully understand Ainsworth consistently praising them to the heavens in the hope he can get them onside and get something out of them. Let's see if they can follow up West Brom with a win (or even avoid defeat) , but given all that's gone before I'm not expecting much. |  |
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| Gaffer on Saturday on 00:33 - Apr 15 with 771 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 11:28 - Apr 14 by Antti_Heinola |
Initially everyone loved Beale's 'refreshing honesty' I seem to remember ;) |
He was, but turned out to be a lying toe rag. Charlatans always get sussed eventually and he didn’t have to work too long to reveal his true colours. | | | |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 07:56 - Apr 15 with 685 views | distortR |
| Gaffer on Saturday on 22:39 - Apr 14 by TheChef |
Er well yeah they're modern professional footballers earning stupid money to kick a ball around.
I can fully understand Ainsworth consistently praising them to the heavens in the hope he can get them onside and get something out of them. Let's see if they can follow up West Brom with a win (or even avoid defeat) , but given all that's gone before I'm not expecting much. |
In the future, when managers move to a new club, I imagine that among the staff they 'must have', will be sensitivity readers to check over everything before they say it out loud, for fear of upsetting these poor little cherubs who, as Saint Leon informed us, have sacrificed SO MUCH to come and perform for us on a saturday (Not the post-match party, mind), 10 times a year.
I must admit, I may read the odd thing but I never listen to what managers or players have to say, said and done, init? | | | |
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