| What happens before next season? 14:45 - Apr 23 with 13705 views | Snipper |
Yesterday’s astonishing result means we’re likely to still be in the Championship next season.
There’s no doubt about it, there needs to be an overhaul in players and upstairs.
1. What should happen?
2. What will happen? |  | | |  |
| What happens before next season? on 11:23 - Apr 24 with 2076 views | EastR |
Can I just be the first to say welcome back to Josh Scowen. |  |
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| What happens before next season? on 11:56 - Apr 24 with 1999 views | daveB |
There is a lot of change needed, I think Ainsworth will survive but not sure it's the right thing for him or us, if he puts together a team to suit a long ball team I can't see this ending well |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 12:01 - Apr 24 with 1986 views | robith |
| What happens before next season? on 23:25 - Apr 23 by WatfordR |
I think the point you made in your earlier post is of much much greater concern. If Ferdinand and Hoos both go, we've potentially got a summer with no one running the club. And I think that would be a bigger sh1tshow for the club than selling off most of the playing squad.
it doesn't bear thinking about. |
This is exactly what's going to happen. Imagine Les & Ferdinand's departures will be announced in fairly short order and we'll have no one in charge. All transfers left in Ainsworth's hands, but expect he'll be given basically £0 to work with (I suspect the reason he was brought in - we're pivoting to full shoe string scrappers) |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 12:02 - Apr 24 with 1986 views | dmm |
| What happens before next season? on 11:23 - Apr 24 by EastR |
Can I just be the first to say welcome back to Josh Scowen. |
I genuinely hope not. I wasn't a fan the first time. If, and it is a big if, Amos could be fit for a season, he's a far better no 8. |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 12:31 - Apr 24 with 1942 views | themodfather |
whatever happens we next to start slowing down losses and debt clearing. we cannot risk any points off.
then find new investors . stop looking for new ground it ain't happening until property prices collapse and then where do we find £150m? or however much is needed,
then look at our policy on signings, and only sign those who want to be here, will play for the shirt and fans , if that means getting rid of DOF so be it. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 12:35 - Apr 24 with 1932 views | Antti_Heinola |
| What happens before next season? on 10:13 - Apr 24 by PinnerPaul |
Not sure why GA as the main man should be a concern given he ran Wycombe for so long.
"more of a struggle" - not sure that's really possible given the stats this season!
I think our agree to disagree folder is getting full to bursting now!  |
Well, Wycombe is a lower division club with lower expectations and no academy. It's totally different.
And it could easily be worse. Imagine this season without the 30 points from Beale.
Let's agree to agree. :) |  |
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| What happens before next season? on 13:20 - Apr 24 with 1837 views | Andybrat |
Tell you what must happen, a real look at our medical team, never known an injury plagued season like this one. I reckon they all drink down the “Hammy and Calf”. I do wonder about the playing staff turnover, and suspect it may not be as overwhelming as some think. Lyndon to Glasgow Rangers ? I reckon Sam Field must be on someone’s radar. There is a team in what we have but needs an ugly someone in midfield. I vaguely remember Duke-McKenna against Everton last season being exactly that when he came on and that was the last we saw of him. When our loaners return GA will have more options than he ever had at Wycombe. Ever the optimist, as for the big guy up front don’t we have a giant in the B team? | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 13:29 - Apr 24 with 1806 views | dmm |
| What happens before next season? on 13:20 - Apr 24 by Andybrat |
Tell you what must happen, a real look at our medical team, never known an injury plagued season like this one. I reckon they all drink down the “Hammy and Calf”. I do wonder about the playing staff turnover, and suspect it may not be as overwhelming as some think. Lyndon to Glasgow Rangers ? I reckon Sam Field must be on someone’s radar. There is a team in what we have but needs an ugly someone in midfield. I vaguely remember Duke-McKenna against Everton last season being exactly that when he came on and that was the last we saw of him. When our loaners return GA will have more options than he ever had at Wycombe. Ever the optimist, as for the big guy up front don’t we have a giant in the B team? |
Duke-McKenna has had a wretched loan at Orient this season due to injury but anyway, he's not a DCM. Alex Aoraha is the one to watch for that position though he may need a season out on load first.
Our giant youth striker Kargbo is nowhere near ready for the first team. I wouldn't be surprised if he's let go at the end of the season. | | | |
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| What happens before next season? on 13:47 - Apr 24 with 1732 views | PinnerPaul |
| What happens before next season? on 10:26 - Apr 24 by daveB |
the financial situation in needing to make up 10million this summer whilst also improving the squad is going to make next year very difficult. |
I'll keep reminding people of this - the shortfall is based on guesswork to a certain extent.
It could be better, it could be worse.
Simon has estimated £4M per year for allowable FFP costs - but that's all it is - an estimate. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 13:48 - Apr 24 with 1729 views | PinnerPaul |
| What happens before next season? on 18:49 - Apr 23 by davman |
Whatever they do, the immediate priority is the playing squad, specifically the first team.Re-build the Academy after we have a first team that can compete.
After this season, it it is not bolted down, find a way of getting rid of it whilst staying within FFP. The Academy is rubbish and producing nothing of note. We have so many staff on the books, purge them. Get a new DoF in, get a plan and f***king well stick to it for once.
Face it, those players can't be what we think of them because we have been the worst team the Championship has ever seen. If anyone is willing to pay for them, off they go.
The only exceptions for me are Dykes, Field, Chair, Armstrong. The rest of 'em? Get what you can for them and start again. |
Problem is getting rid of the academy does nothing FFP wise as all the costs don't count towards FFP. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 13:51 - Apr 24 with 1709 views | PinnerPaul |
| What happens before next season? on 10:43 - Apr 24 by RBlock |
If we do stay up, and Gaz stays in place, I'd be shocked if we didn't re-sign Martin. Ainsworth loves a big ageing lump up top, especially one who provides leadership in the dressing room. |
and scores a few vital goals | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 13:53 - Apr 24 with 1684 views | daveB |
| What happens before next season? on 13:47 - Apr 24 by PinnerPaul |
I'll keep reminding people of this - the shortfall is based on guesswork to a certain extent.
It could be better, it could be worse.
Simon has estimated £4M per year for allowable FFP costs - but that's all it is - an estimate. |
It's not really wild guesswork though, it's based on the financial figures of the last 3 years | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 13:54 - Apr 24 with 1681 views | PinnerPaul |
| What happens before next season? on 12:35 - Apr 24 by Antti_Heinola |
Well, Wycombe is a lower division club with lower expectations and no academy. It's totally different.
And it could easily be worse. Imagine this season without the 30 points from Beale.
Let's agree to agree. :) |
We'd have 17 points - hmmmmm not very likely that is it?
About as likely as all the scenarios in the song! 
Agree to agree - where's the fun in that?!  | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:12 - Apr 24 with 1541 views | robith |
One thing for certain - Lewis Wing is out of contract at Wycombe this summer. Bet your bottom dollar that Ainsworth will try to bring him here, he was on fire for him earlier in the season | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:15 - Apr 24 with 1532 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| What happens before next season? on 16:12 - Apr 24 by robith |
One thing for certain - Lewis Wing is out of contract at Wycombe this summer. Bet your bottom dollar that Ainsworth will try to bring him here, he was on fire for him earlier in the season |
He’ll likely be replacing Chair I’d imagine.
Very big little boots to fill. |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:22 - Apr 24 with 1510 views | Northernr |
I always quite liked Lewis Wing, but not as a Chair replacement, and here's the problem as outlined by Dave and others above.
TBH if we stay up that's way more than I expected, I'v e been resigned to League One for weeks, I'm struggling to get my head around us not being there.
Enormous, enormous change is required here. One because you cannot trust this group of players any more, two enormous collapses in two seasons. DOF has probably made his position untenable now. CEO feels like he's on his way. They've been running the whole club, that's a big bit of upheaval. Do you keep Ainsworth and double down? A week ago I think most people would have said no to that, now three goalline clearances and a header from a corner at Burnley and you're changing your mind on that?
There's just some real clear thinking, big decisions, need to be made almost immediately because it's a lot to do in one summer.
And the biggest thing is you'll be putting this squad together while trying to drag the budget it's built on down substantially from what it was this season which was already down on what it was last season.
I'll just be glad to get to the summer and forget all about it, but next season is a monumental task for whoever takes it on. |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:26 - Apr 24 with 1494 views | robith |
| What happens before next season? on 16:15 - Apr 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
He’ll likely be replacing Chair I’d imagine.
Very big little boots to fill. |
Wing is a bit more box to box and central than Chair though, Ainsworth will want more of an out and out winger imo | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:32 - Apr 24 with 1450 views | robith |
| What happens before next season? on 16:22 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
I always quite liked Lewis Wing, but not as a Chair replacement, and here's the problem as outlined by Dave and others above.
TBH if we stay up that's way more than I expected, I'v e been resigned to League One for weeks, I'm struggling to get my head around us not being there.
Enormous, enormous change is required here. One because you cannot trust this group of players any more, two enormous collapses in two seasons. DOF has probably made his position untenable now. CEO feels like he's on his way. They've been running the whole club, that's a big bit of upheaval. Do you keep Ainsworth and double down? A week ago I think most people would have said no to that, now three goalline clearances and a header from a corner at Burnley and you're changing your mind on that?
There's just some real clear thinking, big decisions, need to be made almost immediately because it's a lot to do in one summer.
And the biggest thing is you'll be putting this squad together while trying to drag the budget it's built on down substantially from what it was this season which was already down on what it was last season.
I'll just be glad to get to the summer and forget all about it, but next season is a monumental task for whoever takes it on. |
100%. I don't want to make this a Les In/Out thread, but when people say they want him gone immediately - we have a huge need and there's about to be a gaping hole in the leadership of the club. Are we going to make smart long term decisionsin the midst of a power vacuum? Think next season has the potential to be far darker than this one imo.
Luv 2 b cheery | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:41 - Apr 24 with 1417 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| What happens before next season? on 16:22 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
I always quite liked Lewis Wing, but not as a Chair replacement, and here's the problem as outlined by Dave and others above.
TBH if we stay up that's way more than I expected, I'v e been resigned to League One for weeks, I'm struggling to get my head around us not being there.
Enormous, enormous change is required here. One because you cannot trust this group of players any more, two enormous collapses in two seasons. DOF has probably made his position untenable now. CEO feels like he's on his way. They've been running the whole club, that's a big bit of upheaval. Do you keep Ainsworth and double down? A week ago I think most people would have said no to that, now three goalline clearances and a header from a corner at Burnley and you're changing your mind on that?
There's just some real clear thinking, big decisions, need to be made almost immediately because it's a lot to do in one summer.
And the biggest thing is you'll be putting this squad together while trying to drag the budget it's built on down substantially from what it was this season which was already down on what it was last season.
I'll just be glad to get to the summer and forget all about it, but next season is a monumental task for whoever takes it on. |
Sorry to open up another Ainsworth front, but he’s entirely blame free in my opinion and should stay, preferably for a long time.
I said that long before the win on Saturday so it’s not a knee jerk.
I’m also of the opinion that Ferdinand and Hoos aren’t entirely to blame either, especially Hoos
The playing staff though, open fcking season. We need a recruitment strategy that moves away from ‘Puppy farms’ and looks at personality first. I suppose I am contradicting myself as this should be Ferdinand’s remit. He gets a pass because we were all for the Lairds and Roberts when they signed.
More Dom Balls less Dumb Boys. You can have that for free Norf. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 16:47]
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| What happens before next season? on 16:44 - Apr 24 with 1413 views | sprocket |
I concur with Clive. Will be glad to get to the end of season, hopefully still in the championship. It's been such a miserable season and I had such high hopes last August!
Not very confident next season will be much better but if Coventry, Luton etc... can make a fist of it why can't QPR? | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:44 - Apr 24 with 1411 views | ridethewave |
| What happens before next season? on 16:22 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
I always quite liked Lewis Wing, but not as a Chair replacement, and here's the problem as outlined by Dave and others above.
TBH if we stay up that's way more than I expected, I'v e been resigned to League One for weeks, I'm struggling to get my head around us not being there.
Enormous, enormous change is required here. One because you cannot trust this group of players any more, two enormous collapses in two seasons. DOF has probably made his position untenable now. CEO feels like he's on his way. They've been running the whole club, that's a big bit of upheaval. Do you keep Ainsworth and double down? A week ago I think most people would have said no to that, now three goalline clearances and a header from a corner at Burnley and you're changing your mind on that?
There's just some real clear thinking, big decisions, need to be made almost immediately because it's a lot to do in one summer.
And the biggest thing is you'll be putting this squad together while trying to drag the budget it's built on down substantially from what it was this season which was already down on what it was last season.
I'll just be glad to get to the summer and forget all about it, but next season is a monumental task for whoever takes it on. |
My two cents...
I'd close the academy, it's not fit for purpose. If we ever make it back to the PL we can restart it there. Les' position at this point is just untenable as you say, though I'm not entirely sure what a new CEO will do any different. A clear out of the squad is not debatable as we all know. We absolutely must have an experienced Director of Football to rebuild the football side of the club, and under him a head coach who we can see as a progressive, football-playing long-term option. I am not changing my opinion that GA is not the man for this because of one however good result at the weekend.
If we have the above building blocks in place we may well find ourselves in League 1 the following season (if not next!) but at least then we'll have some structure and foundation in place to build on. Other than throw out weight behind Ainsworth for a Wycombe-style club, manager runs the show, no DoF etc. (which is just not a long-term option for this club), I see no other alternatives. |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:46 - Apr 24 with 1409 views | aston_hoop |
We really really need to avoid another situation like this one where we let the manager pick his signings and then leave. If we let Ainsworth sign 10 players he likes in the summer then sack him in November, we'll just be repeating the same mistakes again and again. Will we make that mistake again though? I fear so, yes |  |
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| What happens before next season? on 16:49 - Apr 24 with 1400 views | Northernr |
| What happens before next season? on 16:41 - Apr 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Sorry to open up another Ainsworth front, but he’s entirely blame free in my opinion and should stay, preferably for a long time.
I said that long before the win on Saturday so it’s not a knee jerk.
I’m also of the opinion that Ferdinand and Hoos aren’t entirely to blame either, especially Hoos
The playing staff though, open fcking season. We need a recruitment strategy that moves away from ‘Puppy farms’ and looks at personality first. I suppose I am contradicting myself as this should be Ferdinand’s remit. He gets a pass because we were all for the Lairds and Roberts when they signed.
More Dom Balls less Dumb Boys. You can have that for free Norf. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 16:47]
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Well on Ainsworth, I'm actually not sure what I think personally. I've been weighing it up a lot in my mind over the last few weeks and I can't decide, and as you know I'm very much of the mind that the manager isn't the problem here and I would almost always go with stick rather than twist on a sacking (not you Paul Hart).
It would be very, very QPR to weigh up appointing Gareth Ainsworth for the best part of ten years, decide against it time after time after time because of his style of management and play, you then finally decide to push that button midway through a disastrous collapsing season with an injury hit squad that is apparently almost unmanageable, and then you sack him three months in without a transfer window after he keeps you up because you don't like his style of management and play. I'm surprised he hasn't been more adaptable, but he was never going to come here and be completely different to Wycombe.
What I fear is they keep him, once again do "what manager wants manager gets" this summer and let him build a sort of Wycombe 2.0 (some of which we do need, a bit of leadership, a few characters, a bit of backbone, not being so easy to play against, not conceding every fcking corner) and then when next season inevitably doesn't start as well as a lot of people like/expect you sack him in October. At that point, because it's the QPR thing to do, they go Paolo Sousa/Di Canio route of ity's time to go for a trendy European forward thinker and you end up with Ajax Youth Coach 6.4 coming in here to talk Josh Scowen through the "three-box-three" formation. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:49 - Apr 24 with 1396 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I think the fans need a dose of expectation management too. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 16:51 - Apr 24 with 2393 views | PhilmyRs |
I still think we need a point for safety. If we lose on Saturday, which is very possible, and Reading and Huddersfield both win, it’s right down to the last day and will be a nervy affair.
Assuming we secure Championship status, obviously making sure any significant change — DOF, CEO — happens quickly, I think we need a wider assessment/reaffirmation of the type of club we want to be and what the long term plan is. Until recently, I’ve always understood the long term plan to be similar to the Brentford model — showing players that QPR is a pathway to bigger and better things, getting talent, developing talent, selling talent and re-investing, all the while slowly progressing in league positions. The recruitment of Ainsworth suggests the owners may be compromising on this. And, if the owners are moving towards a change in style, slashing the budget and setting retaining championship status as the number one priority with limited interest in player development and style of Football, I believe Ainsworth would do as good a job as most at this.
Personally, I think sticking with the development model is the right approach, we just need to stick to it and do it better. You need to get the recruitment right and re-invest at the right time (so stick to the plan). Where we’ve perhaps gone wrong recently is in signing players with a history of injury — that’s not good and needs to stop — but also not getting the right balance between character and young players/development potential. We need to improve the mix of having some streetwise players that won’t let us be bullied and don’t crumble at the first sign of adversity but also continue looking for those diamonds we can polish and sell. If this is the club the owners still want us to be, for me, I don’t think Ainsworth is the right fit to implement it. | | | |
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