| What happens before next season? 14:45 - Apr 23 with 13702 views | Snipper |
Yesterday’s astonishing result means we’re likely to still be in the Championship next season.
There’s no doubt about it, there needs to be an overhaul in players and upstairs.
1. What should happen?
2. What will happen? |  | | |  |
| What happens before next season? on 17:03 - Apr 24 with 2309 views | sprocket |
I'd love Ainsworth to defy the odds. Seems like a decent bloke and he's QPR but... I know playing the way they are may be a necessity but it's frigging desperate to watch very one dimensional and won't keep the natives happy for very long next season if it continues irrespective of the division we are in. One other thing, and I know its not very PC but WTF does he look like with the leather jacket, brown shoes and belt buckle. Does he dye his hair too? [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 17:03]
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| What happens before next season? on 17:37 - Apr 24 with 2222 views | Rangersw12 |
| What happens before next season? on 16:49 - Apr 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think the fans need a dose of expectation management too. |
Majority on here realise it's going to be a difficult season next season
I do think we should expect better than just hoof ball though as the fans won't tolerate it and rightly so [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 17:42]
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| What happens before next season? on 17:41 - Apr 24 with 2219 views | WatfordR |
| What happens before next season? on 16:49 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
Well on Ainsworth, I'm actually not sure what I think personally. I've been weighing it up a lot in my mind over the last few weeks and I can't decide, and as you know I'm very much of the mind that the manager isn't the problem here and I would almost always go with stick rather than twist on a sacking (not you Paul Hart).
It would be very, very QPR to weigh up appointing Gareth Ainsworth for the best part of ten years, decide against it time after time after time because of his style of management and play, you then finally decide to push that button midway through a disastrous collapsing season with an injury hit squad that is apparently almost unmanageable, and then you sack him three months in without a transfer window after he keeps you up because you don't like his style of management and play. I'm surprised he hasn't been more adaptable, but he was never going to come here and be completely different to Wycombe.
What I fear is they keep him, once again do "what manager wants manager gets" this summer and let him build a sort of Wycombe 2.0 (some of which we do need, a bit of leadership, a few characters, a bit of backbone, not being so easy to play against, not conceding every fcking corner) and then when next season inevitably doesn't start as well as a lot of people like/expect you sack him in October. At that point, because it's the QPR thing to do, they go Paolo Sousa/Di Canio route of ity's time to go for a trendy European forward thinker and you end up with Ajax Youth Coach 6.4 coming in here to talk Josh Scowen through the "three-box-three" formation. |
Thing with Ainsworth is, employing him went completely in the polar opposite direction to where we have all been led to believe over the last four years that we are supposed to be going.
I think we can all see that there's a weakness in the mentality of too many of the squad. It was there before, Austin, SJ, Field and De Wijs came in on loan in 20-21, it started to reemerge last season with SJ out injured and De Wijs long gone, and it's been there for almost all of this season, even when Beale was here and even when we were top for a period.
I think we'd all agree too that there's a serious lack of pace and athleticism throughout the squad, bar Sinclair. Until those issues are addressed, we're going to continue to struggle at Championship level. The academy isn't - maybe isn't just yet - producing these players, and they aren't the types of players we are recruiting.
I've felt for a little while that there is a complacency in the club from top to bottom. We know we need a new stadium, but we're nowhere near it. We have a new academy that needs to be Cat 1 and it's Cat 2, which makes keeping good young prospects difficult to impossible. We gambled on going up last season, had it in our grasp, yet internal politics - it would seem - allowed it all to slip away. A majorly stupid screw up that good management would never have allowed to happen.
And now we've done an about turn and appointed Ainsworth. Sooner or later, we're going to need someone to take hold of this club, run it efficiently and with some drive and urgency. You're partially right Clive, the manager isn't the problem here, but appointing the wrong manager, which Ainsworth is, is only adding further unnecessary problems which need to be addressed.
Look at the majority of the clubs in and around London and the South East, and they are miles ahead of us in terms of infrastructure. We do not have time to p1ssball about for one minute longer if we are to survive as a league club. Simple as that. |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 17:43 - Apr 24 with 2210 views | PinnerPaul |
| What happens before next season? on 13:53 - Apr 24 by daveB |
It's not really wild guesswork though, it's based on the financial figures of the last 3 years |
BUT no one, including Simon, know what we have submitted as allowable FFP costs - that figure isn't in the public domain. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 18:16 - Apr 24 with 2157 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| What happens before next season? on 17:37 - Apr 24 by Rangersw12 |
Majority on here realise it's going to be a difficult season next season
I do think we should expect better than just hoof ball though as the fans won't tolerate it and rightly so [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 17:42]
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This attitude is the problem I think mate. |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 18:50 - Apr 24 with 2121 views | ridethewave |
| What happens before next season? on 18:16 - Apr 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
This attitude is the problem I think mate. |
Striving for the best is what drives everything forwards. We cannot accept mediocrity and expecting to be entertained (at a sporting event) shouldn’t be viewed as a problem. |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 18:52 - Apr 24 with 2115 views | Andybrat |
| What happens before next season? on 17:41 - Apr 24 by WatfordR |
Thing with Ainsworth is, employing him went completely in the polar opposite direction to where we have all been led to believe over the last four years that we are supposed to be going.
I think we can all see that there's a weakness in the mentality of too many of the squad. It was there before, Austin, SJ, Field and De Wijs came in on loan in 20-21, it started to reemerge last season with SJ out injured and De Wijs long gone, and it's been there for almost all of this season, even when Beale was here and even when we were top for a period.
I think we'd all agree too that there's a serious lack of pace and athleticism throughout the squad, bar Sinclair. Until those issues are addressed, we're going to continue to struggle at Championship level. The academy isn't - maybe isn't just yet - producing these players, and they aren't the types of players we are recruiting.
I've felt for a little while that there is a complacency in the club from top to bottom. We know we need a new stadium, but we're nowhere near it. We have a new academy that needs to be Cat 1 and it's Cat 2, which makes keeping good young prospects difficult to impossible. We gambled on going up last season, had it in our grasp, yet internal politics - it would seem - allowed it all to slip away. A majorly stupid screw up that good management would never have allowed to happen.
And now we've done an about turn and appointed Ainsworth. Sooner or later, we're going to need someone to take hold of this club, run it efficiently and with some drive and urgency. You're partially right Clive, the manager isn't the problem here, but appointing the wrong manager, which Ainsworth is, is only adding further unnecessary problems which need to be addressed.
Look at the majority of the clubs in and around London and the South East, and they are miles ahead of us in terms of infrastructure. We do not have time to p1ssball about for one minute longer if we are to survive as a league club. Simple as that. |
Re the stadium, get the rest right and it becomes less of a necessity. Only say this as watched MOTD 2 last night and Bournemouth had a full house of 10,000 and Brentford’s 17,000 and Burnley will be similar next season. The Prem is the holy grail, shame we won’t be anywhere near it. Mentioned before I reckon there are players he will stick with and tweak not overhaul. TBH with loans returning and out of contracts a lot of decisions will be made for him, suspect JoJo will be paid off. Saw Joe Willock doing what his brother can do also on MOTD2 last night, oh to have Chris back and firing. Assuming we stay up I think we will be surprised next season, mid table mediocrity which will be a step forward. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 19:45 - Apr 24 with 2035 views | Pindarus |
We need a visionary and Ainsworth is nowhere near my idea of a visionary.
As for a ground, how did Brentford manage to shoehorn their new stadium into such a congested and central location when there is far more space available in Hammersmith and Shepherds Bush and we are going nowhere. We now have the worst ground in London apart from Clapton Orient. | | | |
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| What happens before next season? on 21:47 - Apr 24 with 1921 views | VancouverHoop |
| What happens before next season? on 19:45 - Apr 24 by Pindarus |
We need a visionary and Ainsworth is nowhere near my idea of a visionary.
As for a ground, how did Brentford manage to shoehorn their new stadium into such a congested and central location when there is far more space available in Hammersmith and Shepherds Bush and we are going nowhere. We now have the worst ground in London apart from Clapton Orient. |
Beale was supposed to be the visionary, and we saw how well that ended.
Next season we'll look very different no doubt. However I'd be wary of the top-to-bottom change solution. I'm not sure Hoos should be let go for example (though I'd understand perfectly if he left.) He's had to manage a very difficult period for the club financially, which can't have been easy. Under him we've avoided the kind of problems that Derby, Reading and several other clubs at this level have suffered. I'm not at all convinced, given our cash flow problems, we'd necessarily find anyone better.
Ainsworth is a gamble for sure, but there's no reason to assume he can't adapt his tactics to suit the players he has. He's been with one lower level other club his entire career and done very well for them with little available money. Who else do we know for a certainty would be better? Maybe it's less risky to go with the 'devil you know,' right now. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 21:49]
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| What happens before next season? on 22:44 - Apr 24 with 1865 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| What happens before next season? on 18:50 - Apr 24 by ridethewave |
Striving for the best is what drives everything forwards. We cannot accept mediocrity and expecting to be entertained (at a sporting event) shouldn’t be viewed as a problem. |
I‘m trying not to be rude mate but these are just meaningless words unless you have a agreed vision and method.
‘Not hoofball’ is subjective.
I also don’t buy that we should treat QPR like we treat a trip to the cinema. No one comes home from the cinema and kicks the cat because a film was shit or only goes to the same cinema that three generations of their family went to.
I’ve never cried over White Chicks 3 because of the emotional investment I put into it.
Edit: let me be clear though, fans have been amazing, and very patient mostly, but I do think all the talk of playoffs by the club and Beale was a massive mistake. I say this as someone who brought into it fully. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 22:53]
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| What happens before next season? on 23:17 - Apr 24 with 1782 views | davman |
| What happens before next season? on 12:02 - Apr 24 by dmm |
I genuinely hope not. I wasn't a fan the first time. If, and it is a big if, Amos could be fit for a season, he's a far better no 8. |
We simply cannot, cannot re-sign Amos. How many more "fingers crossed" moments do you want with him? We will have a small squad next year and because of that they simply HAVE to be available. Our back ups this season have been shocking from Day One and next season I think they'll be even worse, so it'll be even more vital to have fit players to pick from.
Some appearance stats:
Ozzie Kakay 11 league starts, 10 sub appearances 21/44
JCS 13 starts 2 subs 15/44
Johansen 21 starts 7 subs 28/44
Willock 20 starts 6 subs 26/44
Amos 7 starts 12 subs 19/44
Super Tyler Roberts 14 starts 4 subs 18/44
Taylor Richards 1 start 13 subs 14/44
Leon the Invincible 15 starts 1 sub 16/44
Laird 28 starts 2 subs 30/44
Timmy 27 starts 4 subs 31/44
10 players with no more involvement than about 65% of our games. It is unsustainable. We need at least 11 or 12 players with a minimum of 65% - this season I think that we have 7 - just not good enough.
Luke's had his chance, let him go somewhere else and shine; he will NOT be trotting out 35 times next season wherever he ends up... |  |
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| What happens before next season? on 23:20 - Apr 24 with 1779 views | davman |
| What happens before next season? on 13:48 - Apr 24 by PinnerPaul |
Problem is getting rid of the academy does nothing FFP wise as all the costs don't count towards FFP. |
I get that Paul, but surely saving unnecessary money will mean that the owners don't end up putting £2m a month in. Next season could be an utter disaster and they may well get p'd off eventually. When that happens, we need our bills to be lower than they are right now.
The number of staff highlighted in the accounts was inexplicably high for the output they are producing. I can't see how it is value for money at all. I mean everyone goes on about the B team, 'cos they actually won a few games, but aside from Dixon-Bonner none of them are realistically anywhere near a Championship First Team are they? | |
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| What happens before next season? on 07:10 - Apr 25 with 1666 views | SimonD |
| What happens before next season? on 13:47 - Apr 24 by PinnerPaul |
I'll keep reminding people of this - the shortfall is based on guesswork to a certain extent.
It could be better, it could be worse.
Simon has estimated £4M per year for allowable FFP costs - but that's all it is - an estimate. |
While the £4m is an estimate, I’ve said on a number of occasions that of Swiss Ramble, the man that Kieran Maguire refers to as “The Guvnor”, not just that of a very irregular contributor to this forum.
However, I think, in this instance, you are focusing on the wrong number. It is the £10 million shortfall that is important. This isn’t a number that was reached as a result of a number of estimates applied to the previous sets of accounts. It was first announced at a meeting that Clive, I and a number of others attended at the new training facility by that bastion of integrity, Mr M. Beale esq. I initially dismissed it a “expectation management” but revisited it as a result of Clive referring to it more than once, and the numbers agreeing to it readily fell into place. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 08:59 - Apr 25 with 1561 views | TK1 |
| What happens before next season? on 22:44 - Apr 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I‘m trying not to be rude mate but these are just meaningless words unless you have a agreed vision and method.
‘Not hoofball’ is subjective.
I also don’t buy that we should treat QPR like we treat a trip to the cinema. No one comes home from the cinema and kicks the cat because a film was shit or only goes to the same cinema that three generations of their family went to.
I’ve never cried over White Chicks 3 because of the emotional investment I put into it.
Edit: let me be clear though, fans have been amazing, and very patient mostly, but I do think all the talk of playoffs by the club and Beale was a massive mistake. I say this as someone who brought into it fully. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 22:53]
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"I do think all the talk of playoffs by the club and Beale was a massive mistake. I say this as someone who brought into it fully."
You bought into it because it's achievable in this division, for all. We certainly could have believed as much as Blackburn, who still have hope because they've had the same manager all season. It's tiny degrees between all teams. Luton, with a smaller budget and stadium, are third, Huddersfield who nearly went up last season but for a dubious ref call are down in the bottom six all this season. Watford and Norwich, with all the financial and squad advantages they have, are being bested by Millwall, Sunderland and Preston (but not by much).
This underdog thing is nonsense. It has no basis in reality. The budget thing too. It's all about management. There is nothing much between the teams. A couple of well-judged (and lucky) signings, a smart manager is all it takes. The year we won the league came on the back of a season we struggled to avoid the drop with the club in complete meltdown and was the product of a smart manager signing a couple of old lags nobody wanted him to sign over the summer, plus luckily getting all his best forward players fit.
We are an average club in a much-of-muchness league. We have as much chance of being Luton or Millwall - for God's sake - as anyone. Absolutely nobody will be able to predict next year's top six now, nor the bottom six. We just need to stay up.
We should all have hope, no matter how disappointing this season is. So what? It has no bearing on next year. I don't want a manager who says "possession can do one", I find that embarrassing and a depressing prospect - but if it works? Well, then... | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 09:02 - Apr 25 with 1557 views | dmm |
| What happens before next season? on 23:17 - Apr 24 by davman |
We simply cannot, cannot re-sign Amos. How many more "fingers crossed" moments do you want with him? We will have a small squad next year and because of that they simply HAVE to be available. Our back ups this season have been shocking from Day One and next season I think they'll be even worse, so it'll be even more vital to have fit players to pick from.
Some appearance stats:
Ozzie Kakay 11 league starts, 10 sub appearances 21/44
JCS 13 starts 2 subs 15/44
Johansen 21 starts 7 subs 28/44
Willock 20 starts 6 subs 26/44
Amos 7 starts 12 subs 19/44
Super Tyler Roberts 14 starts 4 subs 18/44
Taylor Richards 1 start 13 subs 14/44
Leon the Invincible 15 starts 1 sub 16/44
Laird 28 starts 2 subs 30/44
Timmy 27 starts 4 subs 31/44
10 players with no more involvement than about 65% of our games. It is unsustainable. We need at least 11 or 12 players with a minimum of 65% - this season I think that we have 7 - just not good enough.
Luke's had his chance, let him go somewhere else and shine; he will NOT be trotting out 35 times next season wherever he ends up... |
Actually, I tend to agree we shouldn't extend Amos' contract, though it is with a heavy heart. My comment was more of a reaction to signing Scowen. |  | | |
| What happens before next season? on 09:08 - Apr 25 with 1547 views | BAWHoops |
I think the aim for next season is to have a much leaner squad that allows pathways for any youth prospects to buff it up.
Give Ainsworth the season. if the football is crap then so be it. You bank on him not getting us relegated and start the process of rebuilding all over again.
It's basically the job Holloway had second time round. Keep us mid table and get some of our youth prospects involved (he was the one who initially played Chair, BOS, Manning and Eze).
It doesn't need to be pretty, just don't go down.
If Armstrong, Pedder, Dixon-Bonner, Richards and Kohli are the next prospects then we need to have a stable environment for them to come into, develop and then sell on.
Talk of Play Offs should be nowhere near the agenda.
It comes back to the question of what is the clubs purpose? Is it to be in the Premier League? or is it to be Sustainable? The two cannot co exist. We were the latter and then tried to marry it with the former and got ourselves in a right mess.
I'd look to sell anyone and everyone we can. Even Sam Field. Any money we can generate to refresh and go again needs to be banked.
Fans won't like it and we will complain about prices. But lest we forget that the c. £10m we bought in for Smithies, Freeman and Furlong would be very welcomed right now |  |
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| What happens before next season? on 09:18 - Apr 25 with 1514 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| What happens before next season? on 23:17 - Apr 24 by davman |
We simply cannot, cannot re-sign Amos. How many more "fingers crossed" moments do you want with him? We will have a small squad next year and because of that they simply HAVE to be available. Our back ups this season have been shocking from Day One and next season I think they'll be even worse, so it'll be even more vital to have fit players to pick from.
Some appearance stats:
Ozzie Kakay 11 league starts, 10 sub appearances 21/44
JCS 13 starts 2 subs 15/44
Johansen 21 starts 7 subs 28/44
Willock 20 starts 6 subs 26/44
Amos 7 starts 12 subs 19/44
Super Tyler Roberts 14 starts 4 subs 18/44
Taylor Richards 1 start 13 subs 14/44
Leon the Invincible 15 starts 1 sub 16/44
Laird 28 starts 2 subs 30/44
Timmy 27 starts 4 subs 31/44
10 players with no more involvement than about 65% of our games. It is unsustainable. We need at least 11 or 12 players with a minimum of 65% - this season I think that we have 7 - just not good enough.
Luke's had his chance, let him go somewhere else and shine; he will NOT be trotting out 35 times next season wherever he ends up... |
Yes, I agree. I like Luke but we just can't carry injury-prone players anymore; it makes no sense whatsoever. I suppose Sam Field is the only one who's worked.
Quite surprised at the number of times Johansen has played as I can barely remember a positive contribution, which just goes to show how poor he's been. Similarly, I can barely remember Roberts starting that many matches.
Taylor Richards with still one start all season is incredible as he does look to have talent.
We need to be far more ruthless. No disrespect to Gubbins but if he isn't good enough to get in the side this season then he's never going to be good enough. It was bizarre seeing him on the bench every week while Rob Dickie was playing like Gus Caesar on angeldust. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 09:31 - Apr 25 with 1478 views | Esox_Lucius |
| What happens before next season? on 13:20 - Apr 24 by Andybrat |
Tell you what must happen, a real look at our medical team, never known an injury plagued season like this one. I reckon they all drink down the “Hammy and Calf”. I do wonder about the playing staff turnover, and suspect it may not be as overwhelming as some think. Lyndon to Glasgow Rangers ? I reckon Sam Field must be on someone’s radar. There is a team in what we have but needs an ugly someone in midfield. I vaguely remember Duke-McKenna against Everton last season being exactly that when he came on and that was the last we saw of him. When our loaners return GA will have more options than he ever had at Wycombe. Ever the optimist, as for the big guy up front don’t we have a giant in the B team? |
You are right about the fitness & conditioning side of this season's games. I don't recall much pre game or in game stretching, limbering up and warming up if any at all. It's a vital part of any game preparation and ensures that players can push themselves to their physical limits without risk of injury. It's alright having shares in Kineso tape companies but prevention would be a much cheaper, and effective, option. |  |
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| What happens before next season? on 09:32 - Apr 25 with 1468 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| What happens before next season? on 08:59 - Apr 25 by TK1 |
"I do think all the talk of playoffs by the club and Beale was a massive mistake. I say this as someone who brought into it fully."
You bought into it because it's achievable in this division, for all. We certainly could have believed as much as Blackburn, who still have hope because they've had the same manager all season. It's tiny degrees between all teams. Luton, with a smaller budget and stadium, are third, Huddersfield who nearly went up last season but for a dubious ref call are down in the bottom six all this season. Watford and Norwich, with all the financial and squad advantages they have, are being bested by Millwall, Sunderland and Preston (but not by much).
This underdog thing is nonsense. It has no basis in reality. The budget thing too. It's all about management. There is nothing much between the teams. A couple of well-judged (and lucky) signings, a smart manager is all it takes. The year we won the league came on the back of a season we struggled to avoid the drop with the club in complete meltdown and was the product of a smart manager signing a couple of old lags nobody wanted him to sign over the summer, plus luckily getting all his best forward players fit.
We are an average club in a much-of-muchness league. We have as much chance of being Luton or Millwall - for God's sake - as anyone. Absolutely nobody will be able to predict next year's top six now, nor the bottom six. We just need to stay up.
We should all have hope, no matter how disappointing this season is. So what? It has no bearing on next year. I don't want a manager who says "possession can do one", I find that embarrassing and a depressing prospect - but if it works? Well, then... |
The Luton situation is a freak one, and they never told the fans to expect it.
If we are going to emulate Luton then lets start with that. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 09:47 - Apr 25 with 1438 views | derbyhoop |
Let's assume we retain Championship status, which is still not a given.
Start from the £24m loss announced in March. That has to be addressed if we dont want to fall foul of FFP sanctions. A massive staff reduction, including the playing squads will be necessary.
If we are going for a massive overhaul can we afford to lose the CEO and the DOF. One maybe, but not both.
All the loanees will go
Virtually every player out of contract will have to go.
Sales of key players will be necessary. Pick at least 2 from Dieng, Field, Chair, Willock, Dykes.
That would leave a paper thin squad of dubious quality and a huge prospect of relegation. Do we really want to start a season with a strike force of Armstrong, Kelman and Lloyd? Supplied by Field (if still here), Dozzell and Adomah.
Don't think the U18s/B team can come to the rescue, as most will end up at National League or lower level.
We may need to retain players that many would be happy to see go. Amos, possibly. Resign Richards and Lowe?
Limited recruitment of players many clubs wouldn't touch. On rock bottom wages, by Championship standards.
Isnt this exactly why we need a DOF and Andy Belk.
Otherwise you get what the manager wants, the manager gets.
If the club are going to jog along as a mid table, second tier club , its not exactly an exciting prospect. |  |
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| What happens before next season? on 10:00 - Apr 25 with 1400 views | Burnleyhoop |
| What happens before next season? on 17:37 - Apr 24 by Rangersw12 |
Majority on here realise it's going to be a difficult season next season
I do think we should expect better than just hoof ball though as the fans won't tolerate it and rightly so [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 17:42]
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This supposed hoofball that everyone keeps going on about is utter nonsense, I see the same in the Championship and Premier every weekend.Yes we have become a bit more pragmatic when it comes to clearing our lines at the back, but frankly we needed to be. The idiocy of watching Dickie and Dunne passing to one another constantly, with no midfield available to offer a passing option to, had to stop. It was awful to watch and getting us nowhere, other than conceding goals and possession.
Our style of play will be determined by the type of players we recruit and there is nothing to suggest that Ainsworth will simply resort to a bunch of cloggers and hoofers. Ainsworth has history of incorporating ball players in his teams, Eze chief amongst them.
He has been given the opportunity of managing the poison chalice that is QPR and is likely to save us from relegation despite having a frankly awful squad of malingerers and crocks. If anyone deserves a crack of the whip, it’s him. How many other managers will you see carrying Chair ( couldn’t manage Martin) over their shoulders following a victory of such importance?
Give the guy an opportunity to show what he can do. It simply can’t be any worse than the utter incompetence of the last 18 months. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 10:42 - Apr 25 with 1325 views | TK1 |
| What happens before next season? on 09:32 - Apr 25 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The Luton situation is a freak one, and they never told the fans to expect it.
If we are going to emulate Luton then lets start with that. |
Agree the official coms are a joke. Shut up hypng everything, as they are doing this week. However...the Luton situation is a freak, you say? Hmm, what about the Coventry situation then?
They started the season in existential doubt, unable to play matches at home, looking 50/50 to go bust before xmas. Didn't win for weeks...now they are arguably the league's form team and in with a good chance for play-offs. When they didn't have a stadium, or an owner, they still had a very good manager. In the end that's all it takes.The reverse is true for Watford, Norwich.
You can try and tell us to manage expectations, but it's The Championship. There's very little between any clubs other than good management. Decades of evidence is on my side here. Luton, Millwall, Preston, Sunderland and Coventry are just this year's proof.
Do we have a good manager? That's all we need. Fingers crossed, eh. Jury is out for a while. | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 10:46 - Apr 25 with 1303 views | Antti_Heinola |
| What happens before next season? on 22:44 - Apr 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I‘m trying not to be rude mate but these are just meaningless words unless you have a agreed vision and method.
‘Not hoofball’ is subjective.
I also don’t buy that we should treat QPR like we treat a trip to the cinema. No one comes home from the cinema and kicks the cat because a film was shit or only goes to the same cinema that three generations of their family went to.
I’ve never cried over White Chicks 3 because of the emotional investment I put into it.
Edit: let me be clear though, fans have been amazing, and very patient mostly, but I do think all the talk of playoffs by the club and Beale was a massive mistake. I say this as someone who brought into it fully. [Post edited 24 Apr 2023 22:53]
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Good point Baz, but sadly irrelevant. Fans have been treated as 'customers' for such a long time now, that they have become 'customers' not fans. That's why the demands have elevated. |  |
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| What happens before next season? on 11:07 - Apr 25 with 1205 views | francisbowles |
| What happens before next season? on 10:00 - Apr 25 by Burnleyhoop |
This supposed hoofball that everyone keeps going on about is utter nonsense, I see the same in the Championship and Premier every weekend.Yes we have become a bit more pragmatic when it comes to clearing our lines at the back, but frankly we needed to be. The idiocy of watching Dickie and Dunne passing to one another constantly, with no midfield available to offer a passing option to, had to stop. It was awful to watch and getting us nowhere, other than conceding goals and possession.
Our style of play will be determined by the type of players we recruit and there is nothing to suggest that Ainsworth will simply resort to a bunch of cloggers and hoofers. Ainsworth has history of incorporating ball players in his teams, Eze chief amongst them.
He has been given the opportunity of managing the poison chalice that is QPR and is likely to save us from relegation despite having a frankly awful squad of malingerers and crocks. If anyone deserves a crack of the whip, it’s him. How many other managers will you see carrying Chair ( couldn’t manage Martin) over their shoulders following a victory of such importance?
Give the guy an opportunity to show what he can do. It simply can’t be any worse than the utter incompetence of the last 18 months. |
Excellent post Burnley hoop.
Just to add, we can't keep sacking managers 3 months into 3 year contracts. It makes the FFP calculation more negative.
If Hoos and Ferdinand both leave, is there a way of replacing both with one person? Is there a sufficiently knowledgeable football person who is capable of taking on the CEO task, maybe calling him a Managing Director? | | | |
| What happens before next season? on 14:09 - Apr 25 with 1167 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| What happens before next season? on 10:46 - Apr 25 by Antti_Heinola |
Good point Baz, but sadly irrelevant. Fans have been treated as 'customers' for such a long time now, that they have become 'customers' not fans. That's why the demands have elevated. |
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