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This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
General Election Thread on 21:13 - Jul 2 by StJude82
Ed Davey's the man! A whole host of ludicrous stunts (including a fine bungee jump) but couldn't be bothered to hear out the post masters and postmistresses over the Horizon scandal (allegedly). Got to vote for that.
Its as if the election was called in the middle of Ed's gap year, but he's decided to carry on regardless. Today's stunt is a cameo teaching English to poor kids, before an all night rave on the beach.
Someone tell him he needs to vote as the election is tomorrow, but his diary currently has him down to do the dangerous bike ride from La Paz to Corico.
'Always In Motion' by John Honney available on amazon.co.uk
Nous sommes L’occitane Rs!
General Election Thread on 21:13 - Jul 2 by StJude82
Ed Davey's the man! A whole host of ludicrous stunts (including a fine bungee jump) but couldn't be bothered to hear out the post masters and postmistresses over the Horizon scandal (allegedly). Got to vote for that.
'Always In Motion' by John Honney available on amazon.co.uk
Nous sommes L’occitane Rs!
Its as if the election was called in the middle of Ed's gap year, but he's decided to carry on regardless. Today's stunt is a cameo teaching English to poor kids, before an all night rave on the beach.
Someone tell him he needs to vote as the election is tomorrow, but his diary currently has him down to do the dangerous bike ride from La Paz to Corico.
I am thinking of switching to Lib Dems from intended Labour. They have toned down the stop brexit policy that killed them last time and to go after him for the Post Office scandal when its obvious that others deliberately covered things up seem a bit desperate.
I have enjoyed his campaign and he has raised some awareness for the thousands of family carers out there.
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General Election Thread on 10:32 - Jul 3 with 1508 views
General Election Thread on 10:19 - Jul 3 by essextaxiboy
I am thinking of switching to Lib Dems from intended Labour. They have toned down the stop brexit policy that killed them last time and to go after him for the Post Office scandal when its obvious that others deliberately covered things up seem a bit desperate.
I have enjoyed his campaign and he has raised some awareness for the thousands of family carers out there.
On the eve of tomorrow's general election, I just had to post this...
Looking back on 14 years of the Tories is like looking back at the traumatising post-vindaloo shit you just did in the toilet. pic.twitter.com/HZLzOolD7A
On the eve of tomorrow's general election, I just had to post this...
Looking back on 14 years of the Tories is like looking back at the traumatising post-vindaloo shit you just did in the toilet. pic.twitter.com/HZLzOolD7A
What a shameful record of greed and incompetence spread over 14 years.I hope every b@stard one of them end up with p45’s by Saturday morning. My post has just arrived with two identical letters personally addressed to me from our local prospective Tory candidate.They can’t even get that right,and if they’ve sent me the same letters,how many others have received similar duplicate mail? I have two letters for them too,FO.
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General Election Thread on 13:18 - Jul 3 with 1244 views
General Election Thread on 10:19 - Jul 3 by essextaxiboy
I am thinking of switching to Lib Dems from intended Labour. They have toned down the stop brexit policy that killed them last time and to go after him for the Post Office scandal when its obvious that others deliberately covered things up seem a bit desperate.
I have enjoyed his campaign and he has raised some awareness for the thousands of family carers out there.
I've been thinking what an incredible missed opportunity this has been for the Liberal Democrats. If ever there was a time for a straightforward, centrist party, this was it. And I think many of us would welcome the opportunity to vote for such a party. But the LDs seemed to have lurched the left themselves, and at the same time, it's hard to take Ed Davey seriously.
There's certainly no party that I feel represents my views on how this country should be governed, and like others have said on here, I feel a spoilt ballot paper - i.e. 'none of the above' - is the only option for me. By voting, I think you enter a tacit agreement to be governed, and I certainly do not wish to be governed by either the Tories or Labour.
General Election Thread on 13:18 - Jul 3 by hubble
I've been thinking what an incredible missed opportunity this has been for the Liberal Democrats. If ever there was a time for a straightforward, centrist party, this was it. And I think many of us would welcome the opportunity to vote for such a party. But the LDs seemed to have lurched the left themselves, and at the same time, it's hard to take Ed Davey seriously.
There's certainly no party that I feel represents my views on how this country should be governed, and like others have said on here, I feel a spoilt ballot paper - i.e. 'none of the above' - is the only option for me. By voting, I think you enter a tacit agreement to be governed, and I certainly do not wish to be governed by either the Tories or Labour.
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Out of interest, where do you get your information on what party policy is?
General Election Thread on 13:59 - Jul 3 by hubble
From reading their manifesto, Baz.
Well, i'm no fan of the Lib Dems and won't be voting for them either, but you've complained on one hand about not wanting to be governed by Labour or the Tories but rallied against the largest party calling for PR.
So I'm racking my brain to find what they've said that could be so Left wing that it would put you off voting for the solution to your main gripe.
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General Election Thread on 14:37 - Jul 3 with 1035 views
Just done the full survey (all questions) and the result wasn't surprising so at least that gives me confidence of how I intend to vote.
It was interesting to see that most, not all, policies are by-and-large positive ones. So why is this country in a mess??
I get it that sometimes party's/MP's etc want to strive for certain things but those targets may not be met but not for the want of trying, but when MP's/party's clearly get nowhere near their targets, or even try to, do complete u-turns and so on then there must be some kind of consequence to this.
I remember Andrew Neil asking Liz Truss (before she was PM) what the total number of starter homes built in 2014 was (target was 200,000) and she was struggling to answer and he said "it's easy to remember, it's zero". This is the kind of thing they should be held accountable for because you are winning elections on policies you simply cannot carry out or have no intention to. That's tantamount to simply lying.
EDIT; It was also interesting to see from that website that out of 316,000 completed surveys nationally it appears that the following would be the result if everyone voted in that manner;
Lib Dems 26.6% Green 24.5% Labour 23.1% Con 13.6% Reform 10.4% SNP 1.2% Plaid Cymru 0.6%
Clearly this isn't going to happen come Friday (and it is just a small portion of the electorate) so what is wrong? Why is there such a disparity in what people appear to want and how they vote? As I've mentioned before, love that youtube footage of a reporter asking blue-rinsed ladies in Guilford about certain policies and they all agreed they were good and supported them then the looks on their faces was hilarious when they were told they were Labour policies.
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General Election Thread on 14:50 - Jul 3 with 969 views
61% of current Labour support is primarily motivated by reasons that will not apply in three days' time.
We asked Labour voters to tell us in their own words the main reason they are backing the party. For the largest number by far the key motivation is ousting the Conservatives
Top 5 reasons Get the Tories out: 48% Country needs a change: 13% Agree with their policies: 5% To… pic.twitter.com/i76S3Zlghu
General Election Thread on 21:13 - Jul 2 by StJude82
Ed Davey's the man! A whole host of ludicrous stunts (including a fine bungee jump) but couldn't be bothered to hear out the post masters and postmistresses over the Horizon scandal (allegedly). Got to vote for that.
Would be hilarious if it were not so damaging how the Tories and their media friends have sought to dump this all on Davey. He was assured by his civil servants and by the Post Office that Horizon was working properly. When he realised that was bollocks he become the first politician to hold his hand up and apologise. The Tories were still insisting until relatively recently that there wasn't an issue - a lie repeated by many of Davey's Tory successors even tho by then they WERE fully aware there was a problem.
As for the stunts, if our Tory supporting press ever gave fair coverage to the Lib Dems Davey wouldn't have to engage in stunts. Compare how much coverage he got compared to the acres of uncritical publicity for Farage until the Mail etc belatedly woke up to the very obvious fact that a good showing for Reform would stuff the Tories.
Why do you think Davey does these stunts? Its the only way to get any coverage. He is not stupid: he knows the press will take the piss, but he rightly calculates that its better to be laughed at than ignored. If the only way to get attention for how water companies pump thousands of tones of raw sewage into our rivers is to swim in a shit-infested river, so be it.
There have many general elections where the Lib Dems had far more support than Farage has ever had yet they got a fraction of the coverage that Reform enjoy. Go figure.
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General Election Thread on 15:18 - Jul 3 with 883 views
General Election Thread on 13:18 - Jul 3 by hubble
I've been thinking what an incredible missed opportunity this has been for the Liberal Democrats. If ever there was a time for a straightforward, centrist party, this was it. And I think many of us would welcome the opportunity to vote for such a party. But the LDs seemed to have lurched the left themselves, and at the same time, it's hard to take Ed Davey seriously.
There's certainly no party that I feel represents my views on how this country should be governed, and like others have said on here, I feel a spoilt ballot paper - i.e. 'none of the above' - is the only option for me. By voting, I think you enter a tacit agreement to be governed, and I certainly do not wish to be governed by either the Tories or Labour.
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I don't see think the Lib Dems have moved to the left particularly Hubble but almost everywhere they can win they are fighting against a sitting Tory MP so they have to emphasise where they think the Tories have gone wrong (crashing the economy under Truss, presiding over an NHS crisis, lack of apprenticeships etc).
Isn't it more that since Cameron left the Tories have moved ever further to the right - if you have a Conservative prime minister who just parrots "stop the boats" and only seems interested in courting wealthy pensioners then a centre party is going to appear relatively left wing by comparison.
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General Election Thread on 16:11 - Jul 3 with 772 views
Sunak might lose his seat as current polling shows him ahead of the Labour candidate by less than 1% of predicted votes. He'd be the first ever sitting PM to lose his seat in a GE. Wouldn't that be delicious?!
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General Election Thread on 16:17 - Jul 3 with 748 views
Sunak might lose his seat as current polling shows him ahead of the Labour candidate by less than 1% of predicted votes. He'd be the first ever sitting PM to lose his seat in a GE. Wouldn't that be delicious?!
I mean that's a small technicality because of Balfour's shenanigans in the 1906 election
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General Election Thread on 16:24 - Jul 3 with 715 views
On the eve of tomorrow's general election, I just had to post this...
Looking back on 14 years of the Tories is like looking back at the traumatising post-vindaloo shit you just did in the toilet. pic.twitter.com/HZLzOolD7A
General Election Thread on 14:14 - Jul 3 by BazzaInTheLoft
Well, i'm no fan of the Lib Dems and won't be voting for them either, but you've complained on one hand about not wanting to be governed by Labour or the Tories but rallied against the largest party calling for PR.
So I'm racking my brain to find what they've said that could be so Left wing that it would put you off voting for the solution to your main gripe.
Well yes, Baz, if instating PR was the only issue, I might vote for them.
But to answer your question, I disagree with most of their policies as outlined in their manifesto, including, but not limited to, those on the economy (wishy-washy and uninspiring), energy (dangerously naive), green issues/climate (ditto) and immigration. They're far too close to the Greens on most of these for my liking.
I'd even consider voting Labour if they weren't in hock to all sorts of causes I disagree with, which I have outlined earlier in this thread. Plus they have an ignorant loudmouth as deputy leader. From 1979 to 1997 I voted Labour in every election, but they were a very different party in those days.
I think most British people want sensible and practical policies that are grounded in reality, without idealism or pandering to minority (often relatively extremist) interests.
The Tories have run this country into the ground and although they are supposedly right wing, they have rarely institued genuinely conversative policies. On the contrary, they have increased government interference in our lives; meddled disastrously with the economy and in the process made the rich richer and the poor poorer - and I'm not just talking about Liz Truss - I'm talking about the insane amount of borrowing predicated on ever-increasing stealth taxation, and how they handled the lockdowns (Labour would have been worse though, apart from the blatantly criminal aspects, which seem rife in the Conservative party); presided over a huge and largely unregulated increase in immigration; presided over a badly fudged withdrawal from the EU; and increasingly followed what are to my mind globalist agendas, to the detriment and destabilisation of this country... I could go on...
General Election Thread on 17:06 - Jul 3 by hubble
Well yes, Baz, if instating PR was the only issue, I might vote for them.
But to answer your question, I disagree with most of their policies as outlined in their manifesto, including, but not limited to, those on the economy (wishy-washy and uninspiring), energy (dangerously naive), green issues/climate (ditto) and immigration. They're far too close to the Greens on most of these for my liking.
I'd even consider voting Labour if they weren't in hock to all sorts of causes I disagree with, which I have outlined earlier in this thread. Plus they have an ignorant loudmouth as deputy leader. From 1979 to 1997 I voted Labour in every election, but they were a very different party in those days.
I think most British people want sensible and practical policies that are grounded in reality, without idealism or pandering to minority (often relatively extremist) interests.
The Tories have run this country into the ground and although they are supposedly right wing, they have rarely institued genuinely conversative policies. On the contrary, they have increased government interference in our lives; meddled disastrously with the economy and in the process made the rich richer and the poor poorer - and I'm not just talking about Liz Truss - I'm talking about the insane amount of borrowing predicated on ever-increasing stealth taxation, and how they handled the lockdowns (Labour would have been worse though, apart from the blatantly criminal aspects, which seem rife in the Conservative party); presided over a huge and largely unregulated increase in immigration; presided over a badly fudged withdrawal from the EU; and increasingly followed what are to my mind globalist agendas, to the detriment and destabilisation of this country... I could go on...
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That is a hell of a post. Good luck tomorrow.
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General Election Thread on 17:44 - Jul 3 with 527 views
General Election Thread on 17:06 - Jul 3 by hubble
Well yes, Baz, if instating PR was the only issue, I might vote for them.
But to answer your question, I disagree with most of their policies as outlined in their manifesto, including, but not limited to, those on the economy (wishy-washy and uninspiring), energy (dangerously naive), green issues/climate (ditto) and immigration. They're far too close to the Greens on most of these for my liking.
I'd even consider voting Labour if they weren't in hock to all sorts of causes I disagree with, which I have outlined earlier in this thread. Plus they have an ignorant loudmouth as deputy leader. From 1979 to 1997 I voted Labour in every election, but they were a very different party in those days.
I think most British people want sensible and practical policies that are grounded in reality, without idealism or pandering to minority (often relatively extremist) interests.
The Tories have run this country into the ground and although they are supposedly right wing, they have rarely institued genuinely conversative policies. On the contrary, they have increased government interference in our lives; meddled disastrously with the economy and in the process made the rich richer and the poor poorer - and I'm not just talking about Liz Truss - I'm talking about the insane amount of borrowing predicated on ever-increasing stealth taxation, and how they handled the lockdowns (Labour would have been worse though, apart from the blatantly criminal aspects, which seem rife in the Conservative party); presided over a huge and largely unregulated increase in immigration; presided over a badly fudged withdrawal from the EU; and increasingly followed what are to my mind globalist agendas, to the detriment and destabilisation of this country... I could go on...
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Well you say you want a better Lib Dem party.
But from what you have said here you basically support Reform, or at least their policies.
If you want unfunded tax cuts and a clampdown on immigration then they are your party with the Tories your second choice (second because they talk about cutting immigration while actually increasing it which makes them the worst of the lot on this issue IMHO because it is so lacking in honesty).
The Lib Dems don't believe tax cuts are currently affordable (and virtually every serious economist agrees with them).
On the economy they would improve the trade deal with Europe so we weren't so restricted in trading with our biggest partner - fixing what you rightly describe as the Tories badly handled withdrawal from the EU.
On immigration they believe in better education and training for British workers to tackle the problem at source.
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General Election Thread on 17:48 - Jul 3 with 523 views
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