| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread 15:01 - Dec 28 with 35380 views | CamberleyR |
Surprised not to see one yet so here goes, thread virgin breaking his duck.
Would love to be optimistic but Carrow Rd seems to be like a mirror to a vampire to us. Talking of vampires, hope to see a reaction from that Boxing Day horror show.
2-1 to them. [Post edited 28 Dec 2024 16:23]
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:07 - Dec 29 with 1856 views | Northernr |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:00 - Dec 29 by Benny_the_Ball |
The question is, who would buy him and how much would he fetch? |
Yeh good luck on the contract we've given him. Bloke won the fcking lottery. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:10 - Dec 29 with 1829 views | Northernr |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 18:26 - Dec 29 by Burnleyhoop |
Had 48% in the first half, assume 40% in the second.
Apart from a lack of game nous in the last 15 minutes, that was a really solid effort today. Ashby and Paal excellent. No complaints from me. |
You and I often see the game the same, I agree with you here.
That was a solid effort today.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda... Sure. But we are who we are, our budget is what it is, our injury list is what it is. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:18 - Dec 29 with 1763 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:06 - Dec 29 by CiderwithRsie |
I think we should all assume that the manager can spot a good or bad player at least as well as any of us.
What is notable about Madsen is that in the various debates about players I've read here this season (which, off the top of my head, includes Celar, Kolli, Smyth, Varane, Saito) Madsen is the one where I can't remember anyone defending him beyond the obvious need to give people a chance when they first sign. |
Fortunately if you’re on Twitter your algorithm isn’t constantly showing you what are presumably children insisting he’s brilliant at the pre-assist if played as a false 8.5 and that actually Smyth and Field are the problem. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:22 - Dec 29 with 1739 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Agree with you and with Burnley.
I found a couple of our recent away games hard to take, or at least large portions of them. Today, I thought we played some bright and ambitious football and tried to attack in possession and tried to attack the ball out of possession. In fact, I thought it was an enjoyable game for a long time. In the first half in particular both teams played a lot of smart one and two-touch football around good, hungry pressing.
I agree with those who say that Field's substitution (for a needless yellow) and Morgan's tiring cost us any hope of maintaining that form. After that, we were in serious trouble. We couldn't play short-and-through Norwich and we couldn't hold the ball up front when we went long. All that was left was to defend.
And that's where, imho, the naitivity and inexperience cost us. If all that's left is to defend then you hit it long and defend with eleven. We didn't and we finally got caught.
Still, a decent point, and a much better away performance. |  |
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:28 - Dec 29 with 1696 views | Northernr |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:22 - Dec 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agree with you and with Burnley.
I found a couple of our recent away games hard to take, or at least large portions of them. Today, I thought we played some bright and ambitious football and tried to attack in possession and tried to attack the ball out of possession. In fact, I thought it was an enjoyable game for a long time. In the first half in particular both teams played a lot of smart one and two-touch football around good, hungry pressing.
I agree with those who say that Field's substitution (for a needless yellow) and Morgan's tiring cost us any hope of maintaining that form. After that, we were in serious trouble. We couldn't play short-and-through Norwich and we couldn't hold the ball up front when we went long. All that was left was to defend.
And that's where, imho, the naitivity and inexperience cost us. If all that's left is to defend then you hit it long and defend with eleven. We didn't and we finally got caught.
Still, a decent point, and a much better away performance. |
I thought of you a lot today mate while watching that game.
First half, we won the midfield. Field was excellent, intercepting and tackling. Morgan took the ball under pressure and progressed it, also pressed well without it. Andersen looks FRAIL, but he knows where to stand and which lanes to block on the press. I thought we were pretty good first half.
Second... Madsen anonymous again. You didn't think Andersen played well? Fine. Look what that giant idiot did in the same role. Morgan, bless him, tired after a formidable effort. "We just want to know you're safe sweetheart". Field was my MOTM, Varane needed to come on and do a tribute act and didn't. Sunk too deep and abdicated responsibility. A lot of pointing, flapping about, and moaning. Reactive, not proactive. I'm still not as enamoured with him as many are.
The game really changed when Field went off. At one point one of their CMs miscontrolled a ball on the halfway line, fell over, and was still able to get up and recover the ball unchallenged. In the fcking centre circle.
Conclusion, as you always say to me... you don't win many games of football losing midfield. First half we won it, second half we surrendered it.
Side point - I'm surprised EDB isn't being used. He's athletic, he's fine on the ball, he gets about the pitch. It's almost as weird how he's gone from HERE to there as Lucas Andersen's cratering.
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:32 - Dec 29 with 1662 views | mart_Goblin |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:22 - Dec 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agree with you and with Burnley.
I found a couple of our recent away games hard to take, or at least large portions of them. Today, I thought we played some bright and ambitious football and tried to attack in possession and tried to attack the ball out of possession. In fact, I thought it was an enjoyable game for a long time. In the first half in particular both teams played a lot of smart one and two-touch football around good, hungry pressing.
I agree with those who say that Field's substitution (for a needless yellow) and Morgan's tiring cost us any hope of maintaining that form. After that, we were in serious trouble. We couldn't play short-and-through Norwich and we couldn't hold the ball up front when we went long. All that was left was to defend.
And that's where, imho, the naitivity and inexperience cost us. If all that's left is to defend then you hit it long and defend with eleven. We didn't and we finally got caught.
Still, a decent point, and a much better away performance. |
Very much agree with this Brian.
Yes second half became a slog and a hard watch but the reasons for that have been pointed out .
Would have been easy for the players to feel sorry for themselves after Boxing Day, the injuries etc, but I thought they showed a lot of character to play how they did 1st half and dig in the way they did in the second.
A little word on the ref. Nothing major but seemed eager to punish us for things he was letting Norwich players get away with.
Related to that, I think Kolli has a lot to learn especially away from home, in terms of maintaining possession and being stronger , but I do feel that in the games he’s played he’s been given zero protection from any of the officials in charge . Preston pulled him from
Pillar to post and today Norwich roughed him up a bit he didn’t get a free kick all game. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:35 - Dec 29 with 1629 views | BrianMcCarthy |
EDIt - in reply to Northern:
"Second... Madsen anonymous again. You didn't think Andersen played well? Fine. Look what that giant idiot did in the same role. Morgan, bless him, tired after a formidable effort. "We just want to know you're safe sweetheart". Field was my MOTM, Varane needed to come on and do a tribute act and didn't. Sunk too deep and abdicated responsibility. A lot of pointing, flapping about, and moaning. Reactive, not proactive. I'm still not as enamoured with him as many are.
The game really changed when Field went off. At one point one of their CMs miscontrolled a ball on the halfway line, fell over, and was still able to get up and recover the ball unchallenged. In the fcking centre circle."
Agree with you about Madsen. Second half against Swansea I watched him a lot and he's not improving. Can't be trusted.
Agree with you also about Varane. He's shown more passion of late, and looks a better player for it. But his effort is still inconsistent, and I I can't forget how gutless he was earlier in the season. It's a hard memory to shake. So, can't be trusted.
Midfielders shouldn't have to be reminded to tackle, bollock and bite. It should be second nature.
Edit: Agree also about EDB.
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:38 - Dec 29 with 1606 views | Dorse |
I am making no comment on the game itself as I was AWOL but, on the subject of the result, I am actually very pleased. The Swansea game was, frankly, horrible and the teamsheet for today didn't fill me with any hope when it popped up on my feed. So to come home and see a 1-1 scoreline was an extremely welcome piece of news, completely against my expectations.
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:48 - Dec 29 with 1559 views | Northernr |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:35 - Dec 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
EDIt - in reply to Northern:
"Second... Madsen anonymous again. You didn't think Andersen played well? Fine. Look what that giant idiot did in the same role. Morgan, bless him, tired after a formidable effort. "We just want to know you're safe sweetheart". Field was my MOTM, Varane needed to come on and do a tribute act and didn't. Sunk too deep and abdicated responsibility. A lot of pointing, flapping about, and moaning. Reactive, not proactive. I'm still not as enamoured with him as many are.
The game really changed when Field went off. At one point one of their CMs miscontrolled a ball on the halfway line, fell over, and was still able to get up and recover the ball unchallenged. In the fcking centre circle."
Agree with you about Madsen. Second half against Swansea I watched him a lot and he's not improving. Can't be trusted.
Agree with you also about Varane. He's shown more passion of late, and looks a better player for it. But his effort is still inconsistent, and I I can't forget how gutless he was earlier in the season. It's a hard memory to shake. So, can't be trusted.
Midfielders shouldn't have to be reminded to tackle, bollock and bite. It should be second nature.
Edit: Agree also about EDB.
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Seconded on all counts. That game today was all about midfield. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:50 - Dec 29 with 1541 views | essextaxiboy |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 16:42 - Dec 29 by stainrods_elbow |
We've been over this already, but at the end of August Marti also said he was almost perfectly happy with the squad he'd/we'd assembled. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, happens in Jan. |
Starmer said Corbyn would make a great prime minister . Sometimes you have to tow the party line and keep your thoughts to yourself |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:52 - Dec 29 with 1529 views | OldPedro |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:32 - Dec 29 by mart_Goblin |
Very much agree with this Brian.
Yes second half became a slog and a hard watch but the reasons for that have been pointed out .
Would have been easy for the players to feel sorry for themselves after Boxing Day, the injuries etc, but I thought they showed a lot of character to play how they did 1st half and dig in the way they did in the second.
A little word on the ref. Nothing major but seemed eager to punish us for things he was letting Norwich players get away with.
Related to that, I think Kolli has a lot to learn especially away from home, in terms of maintaining possession and being stronger , but I do feel that in the games he’s played he’s been given zero protection from any of the officials in charge . Preston pulled him from
Pillar to post and today Norwich roughed him up a bit he didn’t get a free kick all game. |
Agree on the ref, he was wildly inconsistent and gave lots of very soft free kicks to Norwich. How does Ashley Barnes not get booked for the foul on Ashby near the end after soft yellows for Frey and Ashby? |  |
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:56 - Dec 29 with 1487 views | Northernr |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:52 - Dec 29 by OldPedro |
Agree on the ref, he was wildly inconsistent and gave lots of very soft free kicks to Norwich. How does Ashley Barnes not get booked for the foul on Ashby near the end after soft yellows for Frey and Ashby? |
I quite liked the referee in the first half. You could tell he was a former footballer himself, he wans't buying the sht. Sainz and Marcondes are absolute shithouse cnts, and let's be honest Kolli and Andersen were chucking themselves about as well. He bought none of it. Let everything go. I had him on a very high mark at half time.
Second half, he become inconsistent. Ridiculously so. We won a ball high on the press, Norwich committed forward, Chair on the ball in good space, they chopped him down, free kick... no yellow. Okay, if that's the standard. Literally 30 seconds later they broke, we got busted, Ashby tripped a guy (barely) and got booked. That's poor. It's not good enough from a Premier League referee. What was and wasn't a free kick, was and wasn't a yellow card, in the second half, became a nonsense.
The Barnes incident you talk about is a great example. Smashed somebody off the ball. Referee saw it - great. Free kick - correct. How is it not a yellow card? He's belted somebody off the ball, you've seen it, you've penalised it, no card. And Michi Frey gets booked for what? Nudging the ball away? Fck off. Fck off into the sea.
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:57 - Dec 29 with 1481 views | mart_Goblin |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:52 - Dec 29 by OldPedro |
Agree on the ref, he was wildly inconsistent and gave lots of very soft free kicks to Norwich. How does Ashley Barnes not get booked for the foul on Ashby near the end after soft yellows for Frey and Ashby? |
Yes agreed .
Not a major gripe as we’ve had a lot worse recently , but another example was the challenge by I think Nunez (might be someone else) on Chair, as Ilias turned for goal about 40 yards out in the second half.
As far as I’m aware there was no card for a blatant hack at someone about to run at the last man .
Seemed to me another premier league ref making decisions that makes his afternoon pass as comfortably as possible .
I will caveat that with us getting some iffy decisions at home recently . | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 22:00 - Dec 29 with 1452 views | mart_Goblin |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:56 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
I quite liked the referee in the first half. You could tell he was a former footballer himself, he wans't buying the sht. Sainz and Marcondes are absolute shithouse cnts, and let's be honest Kolli and Andersen were chucking themselves about as well. He bought none of it. Let everything go. I had him on a very high mark at half time.
Second half, he become inconsistent. Ridiculously so. We won a ball high on the press, Norwich committed forward, Chair on the ball in good space, they chopped him down, free kick... no yellow. Okay, if that's the standard. Literally 30 seconds later they broke, we got busted, Ashby tripped a guy (barely) and got booked. That's poor. It's not good enough from a Premier League referee. What was and wasn't a free kick, was and wasn't a yellow card, in the second half, became a nonsense.
The Barnes incident you talk about is a great example. Smashed somebody off the ball. Referee saw it - great. Free kick - correct. How is it not a yellow card? He's belted somebody off the ball, you've seen it, you've penalised it, no card. And Michi Frey gets booked for what? Nudging the ball away? Fck off. Fck off into the sea.
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Sorry just echoed this . That decision in particular summed him up for me .
Inconsistent and appearing to have as easy an afternoon as possible .
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 22:34 - Dec 29 with 1357 views | Myke |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 15:31 - Dec 29 by stainrods_elbow |
That's happy clapping for me. We weren't destined to be 'under the cosh' for 45 minutes through some kind of algorithmic necessity. In fact, we invited on our own misfortune by operating far too deep, playing our 'football' in suicidally dangerous areas, lacking a single forward player who could keep the ball or make it stick, and being clueless when it came to game management. We got a point, sure, but, overall, it was a lucky one - 3-1 would have been about right if Norwich had had their shooting boots on.
Some may find this too dour, but my point is, injuries or no, I just don't see that our approach away from home is sustainable if we don't want to be sucked back down among the dead/dying men. [Post edited 29 Dec 2024 15:37]
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Is not clapping happily what we SUPPORTERS are supposed to do? To be pleased with a battling effort, that was light years better than the Swansea game? To take the positives from a game that before kick off had all the hall-marks of a hammering? To focus on things we did well rather than only looking at what we did poorly?
If not, what's the point? | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 23:34 - Dec 29 with 1201 views | Noelmc |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:48 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
Seconded on all counts. That game today was all about midfield. |
Would have liked to see JCS tried instead of Madsen to help shore up the midfield with Morgan tiring. I think he could do a job there when we are defending a lead and under pressure. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 00:15 - Dec 30 with 1094 views | CamberleyR |
Happy to carry the thread baton on if wanted for the Watford game? | |
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 00:57 - Dec 30 with 1027 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:18 - Dec 29 by Watford_Ranger |
Fortunately if you’re on Twitter your algorithm isn’t constantly showing you what are presumably children insisting he’s brilliant at the pre-assist if played as a false 8.5 and that actually Smyth and Field are the problem. |
I'm not on Twitter and have no idea what a false 8.5 is and I'm getting a strong impression that it would not be a good idea to change either of these things. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 01:04 - Dec 30 with 1026 views | johncharles |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:22 - Dec 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agree with you and with Burnley.
I found a couple of our recent away games hard to take, or at least large portions of them. Today, I thought we played some bright and ambitious football and tried to attack in possession and tried to attack the ball out of possession. In fact, I thought it was an enjoyable game for a long time. In the first half in particular both teams played a lot of smart one and two-touch football around good, hungry pressing.
I agree with those who say that Field's substitution (for a needless yellow) and Morgan's tiring cost us any hope of maintaining that form. After that, we were in serious trouble. We couldn't play short-and-through Norwich and we couldn't hold the ball up front when we went long. All that was left was to defend.
And that's where, imho, the naitivity and inexperience cost us. If all that's left is to defend then you hit it long and defend with eleven. We didn't and we finally got caught.
Still, a decent point, and a much better away performance. |
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 01:16 - Dec 30 with 995 views | johncharles |
One last point before I go to bed, an honourable mention for Morgan Fox. Only gets a game when we’re desperate and he rarely gets a start. Today he battled away for the full 97 minutes. Well done Morgan. | |
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 01:53 - Dec 30 with 946 views | rbee |
Fox had a good game, the majority of our team did, an honest and well spoken interview as well.
As many have said our game changed with the substitutions. Without the silly yellow card does Sam Field stay on? Players have to be rested but the points were in the bag here so should we have kept him on?
Any idea who Nardi was berating after their goal? One of the few shots we didn't manage to block. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 01:55 - Dec 30 with 936 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:07 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
Yeh good luck on the contract we've given him. Bloke won the fcking lottery. |
Yeah, there's that too. No one's taking Madsen off our hands in a hurry. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 06:46 - Dec 30 with 766 views | stowmarketrange |
I just read in the pink un newspaper that Sainz faces an alleged spitting charge in their game against Sunderland,and some naarwich fans seem to think we’re the dirty team. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 06:54 - Dec 30 with 756 views | Spaceman_P |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 00:15 - Dec 30 by CamberleyR |
Happy to carry the thread baton on if wanted for the Watford game? |
go for it.... I was expecting us to lose, so feel you will get us luck against Watford.
I´ll only do it when absolutely necessary |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 07:15 - Dec 30 with 720 views | derbyhoop |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 01:53 - Dec 30 by rbee |
Fox had a good game, the majority of our team did, an honest and well spoken interview as well.
As many have said our game changed with the substitutions. Without the silly yellow card does Sam Field stay on? Players have to be rested but the points were in the bag here so should we have kept him on?
Any idea who Nardi was berating after their goal? One of the few shots we didn't manage to block. |
I think Marti had to replace Field. On a yellow, committed 2 fouls.
Add Morgan fading, after a tremendous 1st half, no wonder we lost the midfield.
One has to question EDB keeping bench warm, while Madsen fancies about.
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