| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread 08:47 - Nov 4 with 36356 views | CamberleyR |
Here goes, stuck my head above the parapet.
Scrappy and nervy 2-1 to us. Burrell to continue his good form. |  |
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:15 - Nov 5 with 2448 views | rbee |
Lots of people on here singling out individual players tonight which I can't agree with, the problem for me was the set up.
During our brief purple patch we played a settled team and formation.
4-2-3-1
Madsen and Varane as the two, Vale, Kone and Saito as the three.
Obviously this worked well for us and what was noticeable was how hard the middle five worked and kept their discipline, Kone joining Burrell when we attacked and dropping back when the opposition had the ball, the same with Vale and Saito.
When that run ended it was noticeable to me that Kone was slow getting back in to the midfield and gaps started appearing behind him.
Gaps all over the place tonight, Chair kept coming over to the left getting to close to Saito, and too many players tonight jogging back when Southampton attacked, the back four mostly had zero protection. |  | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:23 - Nov 5 with 2377 views | Hunterhoop |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:15 - Nov 5 by rbee |
Lots of people on here singling out individual players tonight which I can't agree with, the problem for me was the set up.
During our brief purple patch we played a settled team and formation.
4-2-3-1
Madsen and Varane as the two, Vale, Kone and Saito as the three.
Obviously this worked well for us and what was noticeable was how hard the middle five worked and kept their discipline, Kone joining Burrell when we attacked and dropping back when the opposition had the ball, the same with Vale and Saito.
When that run ended it was noticeable to me that Kone was slow getting back in to the midfield and gaps started appearing behind him.
Gaps all over the place tonight, Chair kept coming over to the left getting to close to Saito, and too many players tonight jogging back when Southampton attacked, the back four mostly had zero protection. |
We played 442 during our purple patch, not 4231.
Sure, Kone dropped deep to receive to feet, but it was 442. It was what Stephan played in France at Strasbourg.
It’s a false reimagining to say it was a 4231. It is simply not true. Christ, even if that goblin of a manager called out the change.
Doesn’t mean 4231 isn’t right now Chair is fit.
But it was a direct, no playing out from the back, 442 that turned things around. I think teams have simply got wise to that.
Tonight was 4411. |  | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:24 - Nov 5 with 2359 views | joe90 |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 22:34 - Nov 5 by bosh67 |
I hope you're right. My depression is that we can't just grind out boring points when we need them, again. Every season kind of feels like Goundhog Day. |
I also hope I’m right!
Frustrating night watching us go behind to another avoidable goal and then giving Scienza the freedom of Shepherds Bush.
JS has plenty to work with and I don’t see this team as a lost cause. |  | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:27 - Nov 5 with 2320 views | rbee |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 22:58 - Nov 5 by Lblock |
Varanne - managed to get back in to cover for the first (you’ll see on replay here was last man in box apart from Nardi so did “bust a gut”) and that goal was all on Mbenge the Brain. For the second goal just have a look at your man Dumbele. He is jogging behind the Saints player who has the ball so has to be slower; gets 10 yards from the box and just gives up then blames Morrison (who I did think could’ve done more)
Smyth done quite well tonight with some great turns and one terrific track back and recovery tackle.
To answer your question though — right midfield but clearly been told to tuck in for Dunne to make overlaps; you know, the ones he HASNT made all season.
Dunne - see above. I guess painkilling injections in your hip might hamper you but fair play for tge attitude
Morrison was poor tonight and looked injured at tge end.
Nardi is shot to shit - two balls into the six yard again tonight and he stayed home. My word.
Chair at 10 is, in my opinion, his best position but agree that drift to the left and then cutting in is his where he does fantastic work. He really could do with a LB with more end product outside him and also tonight I thought Saito was far too quiet.
Stephan has worried me from the start.
We’re well past that “10 games to make a judgement” period and he’s not for me. Funnily enough, if we stay up he’d probably be far better next season as he’d of learnt a lot. He looks clueless and weak and has done since Plymouth away.
Finally, if you’re taking Dumbele as a plus from this evening then I’ll go halves on when you buy the next batch as it sounds good gear!!!! |
I don't know which highlights you are watching but I see Varane jogging back for both goals.
For the second he is running quite fast but then slows up. If he had continued running fast then he would have been occupying the space Scienza ran in to before shooting. | | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:28 - Nov 5 with 2273 views | stainrods_elbow |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:15 - Nov 5 by rbee |
Lots of people on here singling out individual players tonight which I can't agree with, the problem for me was the set up.
During our brief purple patch we played a settled team and formation.
4-2-3-1
Madsen and Varane as the two, Vale, Kone and Saito as the three.
Obviously this worked well for us and what was noticeable was how hard the middle five worked and kept their discipline, Kone joining Burrell when we attacked and dropping back when the opposition had the ball, the same with Vale and Saito.
When that run ended it was noticeable to me that Kone was slow getting back in to the midfield and gaps started appearing behind him.
Gaps all over the place tonight, Chair kept coming over to the left getting to close to Saito, and too many players tonight jogging back when Southampton attacked, the back four mostly had zero protection. |
It looked to me like we worked harder tonight (or perhaps just more frantically), but their second was lamentable from a defensive challenge point of view. If our downturn is down to a lack of effort/numbers, however, that's on the coaches and everyone - and JS (who I increasingly fear is probably not the sort of manager to demand high standards) needs to call it out. |  |
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:32 - Nov 5 with 2271 views | EN_Ranger |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 22:32 - Nov 5 by bosh67 |
Blimey, really, it's worse than I thought. Less fortress, more bouncy castle. |
35% win rate at home over the last decade. We’ve been short changed for a long time |  | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:34 - Nov 5 with 2252 views | rbee |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:23 - Nov 5 by Hunterhoop |
We played 442 during our purple patch, not 4231.
Sure, Kone dropped deep to receive to feet, but it was 442. It was what Stephan played in France at Strasbourg.
It’s a false reimagining to say it was a 4231. It is simply not true. Christ, even if that goblin of a manager called out the change.
Doesn’t mean 4231 isn’t right now Chair is fit.
But it was a direct, no playing out from the back, 442 that turned things around. I think teams have simply got wise to that.
Tonight was 4411. |
I am using the BBC website when checking on our purple patch and they have us down as a 4-2-3-1 in every game during unbeaten September.
This is also my memory of it with Kone dropping deep, Vale and Saito tucking in. | | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:42 - Nov 5 with 2180 views | Hunterhoop |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:34 - Nov 5 by rbee |
I am using the BBC website when checking on our purple patch and they have us down as a 4-2-3-1 in every game during unbeaten September.
This is also my memory of it with Kone dropping deep, Vale and Saito tucking in. |
Mate, the BBC website?! For the love of god. They just guess that sh*t. They’ve had Sam Field on the wing and such nonsense (and not just when Critchley was in charge). Look at the set up in real time with your own eyes. It was a 442 with one CF dropping short and one going long.
Edit: Stephan said as much in his interview with Clive. It was all over this MB and Clive’s report. We specifically moved away from 4231 for that run. The BBC just lazily reported a different personnel in the shape we’d played earlier in the season and last year.
And yes, I do think I can understand a formation, tactics and set up better than the BBC’s off the the shelf reporter. [Post edited 5 Nov 23:47]
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:46 - Nov 5 with 2128 views | rbee |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:42 - Nov 5 by Hunterhoop |
Mate, the BBC website?! For the love of god. They just guess that sh*t. They’ve had Sam Field on the wing and such nonsense (and not just when Critchley was in charge). Look at the set up in real time with your own eyes. It was a 442 with one CF dropping short and one going long.
Edit: Stephan said as much in his interview with Clive. It was all over this MB and Clive’s report. We specifically moved away from 4231 for that run. The BBC just lazily reported a different personnel in the shape we’d played earlier in the season and last year.
And yes, I do think I can understand a formation, tactics and set up better than the BBC’s off the the shelf reporter. [Post edited 5 Nov 23:47]
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We shall agree to disagree Hunter! My memory of September differs to yours.
Either way the discipline of then has gone out of the window. | | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:50 - Nov 5 with 2092 views | ManinBlack |
I have been banging on for years that people get carried away with us and it is something I can never understand. We do this every season where hopes are raised in some when we have a good run like one loss in ten games. Too many get taken in that it will be different this time before we then embark on a run of one win in ten games.
It seems to be an annual event but this club is going nowhere unless investment comes in to transform us like at Chelsea, City, Wrexham, Newcastle and a few others. These clubs would still be inconsistent without the money put into them to attract winners to be there. We just get leftovers who are not that good and it shows. We will still be circling the relegation plughole in 10 years time if we carry on as we are. The added problem we have this season is the three clubs who came up don't look like they will be in the relegation dogfight. |  | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:51 - Nov 5 with 2090 views | Hunterhoop |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:46 - Nov 5 by rbee |
We shall agree to disagree Hunter! My memory of September differs to yours.
Either way the discipline of then has gone out of the window. |
The whole narrative was the game model being ditched for a direct 442. But whatever.
Teams got wise to it. Stephan became addicted to inverted wingers.
Tonight was better but still wrong. And we reverted to playing out from our goal kicks, which ultimately cost us a goal. Another one to chalk up to the game model. At home to Charlton we took one short GK (and almost conceded). Tonight we were back to it like catnip. Wonder where that came from…
They’re trying to force Field out when he should be starting in place of Varane.
We are not far off being good, but we are shooting ourselves in the foot (in the name of pride and ego in my book). | | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:57 - Nov 5 with 2058 views | rbee |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:51 - Nov 5 by Hunterhoop |
The whole narrative was the game model being ditched for a direct 442. But whatever.
Teams got wise to it. Stephan became addicted to inverted wingers.
Tonight was better but still wrong. And we reverted to playing out from our goal kicks, which ultimately cost us a goal. Another one to chalk up to the game model. At home to Charlton we took one short GK (and almost conceded). Tonight we were back to it like catnip. Wonder where that came from…
They’re trying to force Field out when he should be starting in place of Varane.
We are not far off being good, but we are shooting ourselves in the foot (in the name of pride and ego in my book). |
When playing only two in centre mid you need one to be more attack minded and the other more defence minded. I think Varane and Madsen are too similar.
Julien said that he had watched many of our games from last season. He must have missed how important Sam Field is to the team. | | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 00:00 - Nov 6 with 2047 views | ted_hendrix |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:50 - Nov 5 by ManinBlack |
I have been banging on for years that people get carried away with us and it is something I can never understand. We do this every season where hopes are raised in some when we have a good run like one loss in ten games. Too many get taken in that it will be different this time before we then embark on a run of one win in ten games.
It seems to be an annual event but this club is going nowhere unless investment comes in to transform us like at Chelsea, City, Wrexham, Newcastle and a few others. These clubs would still be inconsistent without the money put into them to attract winners to be there. We just get leftovers who are not that good and it shows. We will still be circling the relegation plughole in 10 years time if we carry on as we are. The added problem we have this season is the three clubs who came up don't look like they will be in the relegation dogfight. |
Yes well that's as maybe, I might be wrong but I believe that we have a half decent squad of players.
Are they being trained/coached wrongly? set up for the games wrongly?
I'm looking at our Management team and asking what the bloody hell Is going wrong? |  |
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 05:48 - Nov 6 with 1804 views | Spaceman_P |
To echo previous posters.
I actually die inside a little when I see Chair about to take a corner or free kick.
Is Poku the new JCS.
For me RND needs to be our left back... bloke has a Ronnie Edwards thing but on the left.
Last night looked like we gave them too much Space.
Varane needs to be dropped just not good enough. Not a forward thinking player.
I guess I'll do the match post Saturday but I'm really not confident. |  | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 07:06 - Nov 6 with 1675 views | kernowhoop |
When I was watching on TV last night, I realised that when we won a corner or a free-kick in a threatening position, there was little point in becoming hopeful.
Corners? The long, high corner to just beyond the far post is no longer working.
Free-kicks? We offer no threat and seem to come up with nothing new.
This is something that can and should be addressed on the training ground. | | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 07:37 - Nov 6 with 1621 views | Mr_Beef |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 22:58 - Nov 5 by Lblock |
Varanne - managed to get back in to cover for the first (you’ll see on replay here was last man in box apart from Nardi so did “bust a gut”) and that goal was all on Mbenge the Brain. For the second goal just have a look at your man Dumbele. He is jogging behind the Saints player who has the ball so has to be slower; gets 10 yards from the box and just gives up then blames Morrison (who I did think could’ve done more)
Smyth done quite well tonight with some great turns and one terrific track back and recovery tackle.
To answer your question though — right midfield but clearly been told to tuck in for Dunne to make overlaps; you know, the ones he HASNT made all season.
Dunne - see above. I guess painkilling injections in your hip might hamper you but fair play for tge attitude
Morrison was poor tonight and looked injured at tge end.
Nardi is shot to shit - two balls into the six yard again tonight and he stayed home. My word.
Chair at 10 is, in my opinion, his best position but agree that drift to the left and then cutting in is his where he does fantastic work. He really could do with a LB with more end product outside him and also tonight I thought Saito was far too quiet.
Stephan has worried me from the start.
We’re well past that “10 games to make a judgement” period and he’s not for me. Funnily enough, if we stay up he’d probably be far better next season as he’d of learnt a lot. He looks clueless and weak and has done since Plymouth away.
Finally, if you’re taking Dumbele as a plus from this evening then I’ll go halves on when you buy the next batch as it sounds good gear!!!! |
If Varane's efforts for the two goals are him "busting a gut", I wouldn't want to see him when he's ambling. |  | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 07:38 - Nov 6 with 1611 views | SK_hoops |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:57 - Nov 5 by rbee |
When playing only two in centre mid you need one to be more attack minded and the other more defence minded. I think Varane and Madsen are too similar.
Julien said that he had watched many of our games from last season. He must have missed how important Sam Field is to the team. |
It's unbelievable isn't it? Sam Field has won QPR player of the year, Sam Field who, I'm sure, there is some statistic about how we lose less games when he plays, being dropped for Varane. | | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 07:46 - Nov 6 with 1587 views | GaryBannister86 |
Think I must have taken the wrong turn at Shepherds Bush station last night and watched the wrong game. Been on this board and read that:
Manager thinks it was one of our best performances
Chair is the root cause
Their second goal was a travesty
Varane was terrible
Literally think the opposite of all of these things, but there you go. I usually have no idea what I am talking about.
The inevitable hilarity of Nourry's obsession with a "3 game week manager" going to end in Sheffield with our third rest and rotate farce no doubt and 3 defeats. I think we are led, and quite possibly managed, by buffoons.
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 10:16 - Nov 6 with 1359 views | NorthantsHoop |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 07:46 - Nov 6 by GaryBannister86 |
Think I must have taken the wrong turn at Shepherds Bush station last night and watched the wrong game. Been on this board and read that:
Manager thinks it was one of our best performances
Chair is the root cause
Their second goal was a travesty
Varane was terrible
Literally think the opposite of all of these things, but there you go. I usually have no idea what I am talking about.
The inevitable hilarity of Nourry's obsession with a "3 game week manager" going to end in Sheffield with our third rest and rotate farce no doubt and 3 defeats. I think we are led, and quite possibly managed, by buffoons.
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What I took from last night is and has been all season is we have a very good player in Burrell (our best signing this summer) and Norrington-Davies should be signed if we can afford him. I actually thought Southampton played pretty well and came with a game plan not to lose and were able to profit from our mistakes. Lack of height and physicality in our team still a problem |  | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 10:37 - Nov 6 with 1295 views | wombat |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 00:00 - Nov 6 by ted_hendrix |
Yes well that's as maybe, I might be wrong but I believe that we have a half decent squad of players.
Are they being trained/coached wrongly? set up for the games wrongly?
I'm looking at our Management team and asking what the bloody hell Is going wrong? |
agree ted, its a decent squad prob one of the best we have had in ages to be honest , and a half decent manager would be able to gwt them playing way better than we presently are , hate the guy with a vengence but Nathan the midget jones would soon sort this lot out |  |
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 10:44 - Nov 6 with 1284 views | TheChef |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:57 - Nov 5 by rbee |
When playing only two in centre mid you need one to be more attack minded and the other more defence minded. I think Varane and Madsen are too similar.
Julien said that he had watched many of our games from last season. He must have missed how important Sam Field is to the team. |
Indeed, if nothing else from a leadership perspective.
Without him or Cook in the team, it's clearly lacking. |  |
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 16:52 - Nov 6 with 1058 views | TeddeRs |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:32 - Nov 5 by EN_Ranger |
35% win rate at home over the last decade. We’ve been short changed for a long time |
Sadly, a 35% home win rate is right on par for lower-mid table.
I was thinking about your comment and I expected the % win rate to be higher.
Looking at the last five years we've averaged W/D/L at home of 35%/27%/38%. The average for the teams finishing between 11-20 place is W/D/L: 37%/26%/36%.
That works out as on average teams placing between 11 and 20 get 32 home points and we average 30 points.
That's not to disrespect your comment - but I guess it's about expectations.
For me what was disappointing was that a poor Southampton team were there for the taking and we didn't. | | | |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 20:21 - Nov 6 with 934 views | derbyhoop |
We didn't play that badly, for long periods. However, we didn't create enough clear cut chances, conceded after Mbengue lost a challenge, again when we
let a guy run 50 yds unchallenged.
After going 2 up they circled the wagons and we didn't have enough nous/luck to get back.level. |  |
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 21:15 - Nov 6 with 858 views | R_from_afar |
| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 07:06 - Nov 6 by kernowhoop |
When I was watching on TV last night, I realised that when we won a corner or a free-kick in a threatening position, there was little point in becoming hopeful.
Corners? The long, high corner to just beyond the far post is no longer working.
Free-kicks? We offer no threat and seem to come up with nothing new.
This is something that can and should be addressed on the training ground. |
Great post  . We need to get basics like those right, to become so good at them that the very threat of a Rangers set piece exerts a pressure of its own on the opposition, as opposed to on our own fans, as is currently the case. We're simply not good enough to waste such opportunities, and - gasp - you can actually practise these things until you become proficient at them. Imagine that.... 
Is it snobbery on our part? Do we think it beneath us to resort to winning games through effective set pieces? What are we like  |  |
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| They Couldn't Wait Until Wednesday 10pm To Sack Him - QPR Vs Southampton Thread on 23:30 - Nov 6 with 745 views | TomS |
We had 12 corners and 40 crosses, but Southampton had 60 clearances. That suggests we didn't have players who would win aerial duels up front.
Burrell seems to me to need a bit of space to run into, like he did with his goal. He's not a target man who you can lump the ball up to and will lay off the ball to a supporting forward time after time. Kone's key strength is running into space too. Southampton sat so deep there was no space at all in front of their goal, which was utterly frustrating to watch as we didn't have the ability to play through that defense.
Was it a scenario where Frey could have thrived? But he wasn't on the bench. |  | | |
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