| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. 18:04 - Dec 12 with 20187 views | ted_hendrix |
Last time we drove to Middlesbrough we got held up on the M1 motorway and got to the ground Five minutes before bloody kick off, we then promptly lost 4-0.
Tomorrow I shall stay at home and continue coughing and sneezing, by the way I done a match thread last season and we won at Cardiff. |  |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 17:07 - Dec 13 with 2035 views | Burnleyhoop |
Why no Poku? Expected to see him for at least the last 20. |  | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 17:13 - Dec 13 with 1926 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 16:56 - Dec 13 by strikerace |
Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the opposition. Boro is a good side who played their best form in the first half, they have no won 4 in a row I think. They other team gets paid too. We just need to regroup and get back out there next week |
Being way to generous to the opposition. Go there, keep it tight, sh!thouse, be aggressive and make it horrible.
It's the first game I've watched and wondered if JS and the coaches had actually watched the opposition before.
We know their CM is good, we know they use their ST to go wide and isolate the FB. We know they love the cross field/inside ball.
Load the CM, drop the FBs in and use Burrells pace on the break for 70 minutes.
It does appear a little arrogant to go there and think we can just play the way we want, especially with our CM.
Really disappointing as we gave ourselves no chance before a ball had been kicked. | |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 17:17 - Dec 13 with 1854 views | OldPedro |
Think the tactics/formation was wrong. The Boro fan Clive spoke to told us exactly what would happen and how they would play with the wingers being narrow and full backs providing the width. She also said that they tire in the 2nd half.
We needed to minimize the damage in the first 60 mins and try and play later. Probably needed another midfielder in there such as Hayden/Morgan and just one up front, low block and frustrate them. |  |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 17:56 - Dec 13 with 1535 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 17:17 - Dec 13 by OldPedro |
Think the tactics/formation was wrong. The Boro fan Clive spoke to told us exactly what would happen and how they would play with the wingers being narrow and full backs providing the width. She also said that they tire in the 2nd half.
We needed to minimize the damage in the first 60 mins and try and play later. Probably needed another midfielder in there such as Hayden/Morgan and just one up front, low block and frustrate them. |
I think that's fair.
I don't think we changed much that I could see, either by condensing play, width, lines etc or by any other new idea or tactic.
Whether that's on StƩphan, or on the players for not executing, I'm not really sure.
I'm just not sure what our plan was. |  |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 18:08 - Dec 13 with 1452 views | themodfather |
ok, couldn't find a stream and have seen nowt of this game but we lost to a top 2 side, a good side , little damage done and we move on.
sad stas are v top 2 p2 l2 for 2 against 10, that's TEN
we are in a mid table traffic jam. | | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 18:10 - Dec 13 with 1440 views | ManinBlack |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 17:56 - Dec 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think that's fair.
I don't think we changed much that I could see, either by condensing play, width, lines etc or by any other new idea or tactic.
Whether that's on StƩphan, or on the players for not executing, I'm not really sure.
I'm just not sure what our plan was. |
Perhaps the plan was to pay homage to Boro and give them too much respect. The first half felt like a carbon copy of Norwich letting them dictate the game. The last two away fixtures were akin to Redknapp bonus away games. That is 4 defeats to Boro on the bounce now... |  | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 18:12 - Dec 13 with 1410 views | Lblock |
We looked better when fresh legs came on.
Another one Iām chalking up as down to a novice coach to the EFL but Julian shouldāve learnt by now.
Repeat this for a third time and I could start throwing the words āarrogantā and āfoolhardyā around.
Not happy but not unexpected and it couldāve been worse.
Now back to twelve points away from the bottom three.
My barometer is less than 12 and I get concernedā¦ā¦ |  |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 18:32 - Dec 13 with 1320 views | FDC |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 17:17 - Dec 13 by OldPedro |
Think the tactics/formation was wrong. The Boro fan Clive spoke to told us exactly what would happen and how they would play with the wingers being narrow and full backs providing the width. She also said that they tire in the 2nd half.
We needed to minimize the damage in the first 60 mins and try and play later. Probably needed another midfielder in there such as Hayden/Morgan and just one up front, low block and frustrate them. |
It was odd. First half Sinton kept basically saying exactly that - Smyth and Saito were getting dragged in field leaving space for the fullbacks, which was the one thing you'd have assumed we had a plan to prevent happening, given anyone who listened to pre match opposition reports knew would be the challenge. Unless, I don't know, Hellberg has come up with the ultimate undefendable formation? |  | | |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 18:38 - Dec 13 with 1289 views | FDC |
Looking on the bright side, having given ourselves a mountain to climb away from home against the second placed team, without playing especially well we actually came back in to the game in the second half and could easily have pulled another one back in the last half an hour -- and then who knows what could have happened. | | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 18:56 - Dec 13 with 1210 views | AshteadR |
Boro were very good, but we were predictably poor.
I know we want to build some consistency, but the team needed fresh legs and the midfield strengthening. Should have changed formation and personnel after the initial warning signs. | | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 20:47 - Dec 13 with 941 views | Bacon |
Just back, but I live in Newcastle.
They were good, really good. The movement off the ball and pace. Were just too good for us today.
Notany positives for us, Madsen looked good on the ball and the front two never gave up. | | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 20:59 - Dec 13 with 909 views | derbyhoop |
Boro were excellent, IMHO. Sometimes you have to accept that the opposition were (much) better than us. The only positive was that we never threw in the towel. |  |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 21:08 - Dec 13 with 872 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 20:59 - Dec 13 by derbyhoop |
Boro were excellent, IMHO. Sometimes you have to accept that the opposition were (much) better than us. The only positive was that we never threw in the towel. |
Ya, I think that's balanced, but always great to hear just-backs as well.
Thanks folks.
Main thoughts:
They were good.
Not sure we've yet learned how to beat the better teams while playing 442.
I liked our fight-back. [Post edited 13 Dec 21:17]
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 21:18 - Dec 13 with 832 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 20:59 - Dec 13 by derbyhoop |
Boro were excellent, IMHO. Sometimes you have to accept that the opposition were (much) better than us. The only positive was that we never threw in the towel. |
That was very preventable. Way, way to open, and we let them do what they wanted.
I can accept a lose, and Boro were better than us today, but make it a nasty, horrible victory for them where their fans go away thinking they got away with one.
We should feel a little disappointed and let down by that. | |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 21:21 - Dec 13 with 817 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 21:18 - Dec 13 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
That was very preventable. Way, way to open, and we let them do what they wanted.
I can accept a lose, and Boro were better than us today, but make it a nasty, horrible victory for them where their fans go away thinking they got away with one.
We should feel a little disappointed and let down by that. |
I think that's fair too.
This performance was, imo, streets ahead of the Norwich no-show, but we have lots to learn about aggression, hunting in packs, support play and controlling the pace of the game where at all possible. | |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 21:26 - Dec 13 with 759 views | stainrods_elbow |
Julie claimed to have watched their previous 3 games, I think - if so, his lack of learning is baffling and concerning. He also tends to just say the same broad-brush things about the opposition ahead of the game, I've noticed. I just don't think he and his staff do their homework, and he needs to be called out on it. |  |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 21:32 - Dec 13 with 743 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 18:12 - Dec 13 by Lblock |
We looked better when fresh legs came on.
Another one Iām chalking up as down to a novice coach to the EFL but Julian shouldāve learnt by now.
Repeat this for a third time and I could start throwing the words āarrogantā and āfoolhardyā around.
Not happy but not unexpected and it couldāve been worse.
Now back to twelve points away from the bottom three.
My barometer is less than 12 and I get concernedā¦ā¦ |
I'd suggest more like naive, complacent and under-prepared than arrogant. Sure they were/are a good side, but it's difficult to imagine a set-up and performance more collusive with theirs in that first-half. It was a similar story at Norwich, who aren't any great shakes. That first 45 was somewhere between Norwich and Coventry, even if we did better in the 2nd half, partly because they tired and relaxed. It was a 'good week' though, right? [Post edited 13 Dec 21:34]
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 01:56 - Dec 14 with 616 views | strikerace |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 21:32 - Dec 13 by stainrods_elbow |
I'd suggest more like naive, complacent and under-prepared than arrogant. Sure they were/are a good side, but it's difficult to imagine a set-up and performance more collusive with theirs in that first-half. It was a similar story at Norwich, who aren't any great shakes. That first 45 was somewhere between Norwich and Coventry, even if we did better in the 2nd half, partly because they tired and relaxed. It was a 'good week' though, right? [Post edited 13 Dec 21:34]
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Yes it was a good week. If we get 6 pts out of every 9, we will have over 90 pts | | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 09:48 - Dec 14 with 484 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 10:07 - Dec 14 with 455 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 21:32 - Dec 13 by stainrods_elbow |
I'd suggest more like naive, complacent and under-prepared than arrogant. Sure they were/are a good side, but it's difficult to imagine a set-up and performance more collusive with theirs in that first-half. It was a similar story at Norwich, who aren't any great shakes. That first 45 was somewhere between Norwich and Coventry, even if we did better in the 2nd half, partly because they tired and relaxed. It was a 'good week' though, right? [Post edited 13 Dec 21:34]
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It was naive but we arenāt good enough to sit in and hope to hold out IMO. I think the issue was more the fitness of one or two who pretty much had to play and not freshening up the midfield than the tactics themselves. The two in midfield always being picked in this system is inevitably going to be a problem sometimes. RND pretty much had to play as Esquerdinha against Whittaker wouldāve been a knife in a gun fight. | | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 10:24 - Dec 14 with 427 views | mart_Goblin |
Not been able to post as itās taken me until now to navigate past the cookie blockage as Iām an absolute tech idiot . Had to get my wife to do it š
Not read through this to see what people were / are thinking about yesterday but will try to catch up later .
My basic take was that I feel that the completely overhyped and over discussed ā3rd game of a 3 game week ā has now become a complete self fulfilling prophecy .
As at Norwich the players looked beaten before they kicked off . Played with no intensity, no purpose or drive , no quality and on the outside not much of a care . Now Iām sure thatās not true but thatās how it looked on the tv.
The complete opposite of Tuesday .
Itās about how the coaching staff and club turn that around now as for me itās clearly an issue .
Of course , we will lose games , but itās the manor of how you lose games and yesterday was almost a carbon copy of Norwich . That canāt be a coincidence.
Letās be fair, Middlesbrough took their foot of the pedal in the last 30 minutes allowing us to look a little better but I thought almost to a man, we looked way below par .
On the plus side, we got ourselves into quite a few promising positions during the game . We just need to be so much better , especially away at decent teams like Middlesbrough.
Overall nothing to throw the toys out of the pram about , but as a club, playing and coaching staff , we canāt keep tossing games off because āweā ve already got 6 points this week ā.
Middlesbrough are a good team so we might well have lost anyway , but 17% possession after 40 mins is just unacceptable .
Thatās throwing in the towel and the frustration comes from actually, that we are better than that . And the fans that travelled up there deserve better than that . [Post edited 14 Dec 10:36]
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| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 10:29 - Dec 14 with 418 views | colinallcars |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 10:24 - Dec 14 by mart_Goblin |
Not been able to post as itās taken me until now to navigate past the cookie blockage as Iām an absolute tech idiot . Had to get my wife to do it š
Not read through this to see what people were / are thinking about yesterday but will try to catch up later .
My basic take was that I feel that the completely overhyped and over discussed ā3rd game of a 3 game week ā has now become a complete self fulfilling prophecy .
As at Norwich the players looked beaten before they kicked off . Played with no intensity, no purpose or drive , no quality and on the outside not much of a care . Now Iām sure thatās not true but thatās how it looked on the tv.
The complete opposite of Tuesday .
Itās about how the coaching staff and club turn that around now as for me itās clearly an issue .
Of course , we will lose games , but itās the manor of how you lose games and yesterday was almost a carbon copy of Norwich . That canāt be a coincidence.
Letās be fair, Middlesbrough took their foot of the pedal in the last 30 minutes allowing us to look a little better but I thought almost to a man, we looked way below par .
On the plus side, we got ourselves into quite a few promising positions during the game . We just need to be so much better , especially away at decent teams like Middlesbrough.
Overall nothing to throw the toys out of the pram about , but as a club, playing and coaching staff , we canāt keep tossing games off because āweā ve already got 6 points this week ā.
Middlesbrough are a good team so we might well have lost anyway , but 17% possession after 40 mins is just unacceptable .
Thatās throwing in the towel and the frustration comes from actually, that we are better than that . And the fans that travelled up there deserve better than that . [Post edited 14 Dec 10:36]
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I agree.
To misquote the song Manhatten:
A 3-1 reversal can never spoil
The dreams of a boy & goyl |  | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 11:04 - Dec 14 with 357 views | 7374Ranger |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 17:17 - Dec 13 by OldPedro |
Think the tactics/formation was wrong. The Boro fan Clive spoke to told us exactly what would happen and how they would play with the wingers being narrow and full backs providing the width. She also said that they tire in the 2nd half.
We needed to minimize the damage in the first 60 mins and try and play later. Probably needed another midfielder in there such as Hayden/Morgan and just one up front, low block and frustrate them. |
JS got his selection and formation wrong today.
I expected more than 1 change of CB for this game along with a 3 man midfield and Poku in the starting line-up.
He learnt nothing from the last 3 game week.
This was not a game to play 442 given how Middlesbrough play. QPR made it far too easy for them and played a high line which they exploited time and time again. He should have made a tactical change in the 1st half and brought on Morgan or Hayden to shore up the midfield.
At least a lot of the other results were favourable to QPR yesterday.
Let's hope that he manages the festive schedule a lot better than these last two 3 game weeks. | | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 11:06 - Dec 14 with 355 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 10:24 - Dec 14 by mart_Goblin |
Not been able to post as itās taken me until now to navigate past the cookie blockage as Iām an absolute tech idiot . Had to get my wife to do it š
Not read through this to see what people were / are thinking about yesterday but will try to catch up later .
My basic take was that I feel that the completely overhyped and over discussed ā3rd game of a 3 game week ā has now become a complete self fulfilling prophecy .
As at Norwich the players looked beaten before they kicked off . Played with no intensity, no purpose or drive , no quality and on the outside not much of a care . Now Iām sure thatās not true but thatās how it looked on the tv.
The complete opposite of Tuesday .
Itās about how the coaching staff and club turn that around now as for me itās clearly an issue .
Of course , we will lose games , but itās the manor of how you lose games and yesterday was almost a carbon copy of Norwich . That canāt be a coincidence.
Letās be fair, Middlesbrough took their foot of the pedal in the last 30 minutes allowing us to look a little better but I thought almost to a man, we looked way below par .
On the plus side, we got ourselves into quite a few promising positions during the game . We just need to be so much better , especially away at decent teams like Middlesbrough.
Overall nothing to throw the toys out of the pram about , but as a club, playing and coaching staff , we canāt keep tossing games off because āweā ve already got 6 points this week ā.
Middlesbrough are a good team so we might well have lost anyway , but 17% possession after 40 mins is just unacceptable .
Thatās throwing in the towel and the frustration comes from actually, that we are better than that . And the fans that travelled up there deserve better than that . [Post edited 14 Dec 10:36]
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I agree, Mart - feels more like we treat the third game as a shot to nothing rather than a dig-in mentality to try and get a point (as 7 from 9 is real progress up the table).
I don't quite get the JCS thing - apart from this being a game where surely Cook is the better bet anyway, we seem to be treating him like Ledley King or something, being honoured just by his presence. Is he actually that good? I am slightly concerned that he is hampering Morrison's development, especially when no doubt he will be injured again soon. |  | | |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 14:33 - Dec 14 with 265 views | mart_Goblin |
| Middlesbrough F.C V Queens Park Rangers Match Thread. on 11:06 - Dec 14 by GaryBannister86 |
I agree, Mart - feels more like we treat the third game as a shot to nothing rather than a dig-in mentality to try and get a point (as 7 from 9 is real progress up the table).
I don't quite get the JCS thing - apart from this being a game where surely Cook is the better bet anyway, we seem to be treating him like Ledley King or something, being honoured just by his presence. Is he actually that good? I am slightly concerned that he is hampering Morrison's development, especially when no doubt he will be injured again soon. |
Yes I find the JCS choices and timings odd.
I understand managing his playing time , especially with his record, but he wonāt get up to speed if he only plays an hour a fortnight .
Truth is we are being hampered by keep switching the back 4 where we are managing 3 of the 6 defenders playing time . With that in mind, Morrison is worryingly completely out of favour .
I also completely understand the notion that Middlesbrough are a good side and a better side who would have had joy against everyone in the championship yesterday .
But if you do the basics and simple things correct and do all the things that, as a team you can control, then at least you can frustrate the opposition and make it hard for them.
Only my view , but I thought we sat off, backed off, let them totally do what they wanted and when we did find ourselves in decent positions, we lacked any sort of quality or care to get ourselves truly back in the game.
Difficult to be too critical as we are doing ok in general . I can see improvements of course .
But we need to stop choosing when we show fight determination (usually at home) and then pick certain difficult away games (preceded by very good results ) to really metaphorically āhave a breatherā.
Thats got a whiff of the Redknapps about it. [Post edited 14 Dec 14:35]
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