| Sell Jon Varane ? 17:41 - Jan 9 with 14469 views | MickB |
Take the money. He adds nothing going forward and while his positional play is good, he seems prone to a loss of concentration. And we have Haydn and Sam as defensive mids. |  | | |  |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:07 - Jan 12 with 2492 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 20:46 - Jan 10 by numptydumpty |
Maybe Varane gets so much stick on this forum because of his name. Sure Jobe Bellingham could offer some nuggets of help to overcome such a situation.
If his name was Smith, Jones or Field, do think he would not get much criticism at all.
Just a thought of mine..... [Post edited 10 Jan 20:46]
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"Maybe Varane gets so much stick on this forum because of his name. Sure Jobe Bellingham could offer some nuggets of help to overcome such a situation."
His first name, Jonathon, is very common in England. His surname, Varane, has Germanic and Slavic roots.
"If his name was Smith, Jones or Field, do think he would not get much criticism at all."
Sam Field gets a lot of criticism so that's that theory blown to SMITHereens.
"Just a thought of mine....."
A nonsense thought. Stop race baiting. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:32 - Jan 12 with 2403 views | turnsey |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:07 - Jan 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
"Maybe Varane gets so much stick on this forum because of his name. Sure Jobe Bellingham could offer some nuggets of help to overcome such a situation."
His first name, Jonathon, is very common in England. His surname, Varane, has Germanic and Slavic roots.
"If his name was Smith, Jones or Field, do think he would not get much criticism at all."
Sam Field gets a lot of criticism so that's that theory blown to SMITHereens.
"Just a thought of mine....."
A nonsense thought. Stop race baiting. |
I thought the point made was that Varane's brother won the World Cup with France, just as Jobe Bellingham's brother is a world-class footballer and this assigns far more pressure due to bearing a fairly unique/distinct name in the footballing world. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:50 - Jan 12 with 2298 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Hopefully the club has earmarked a replacement if we do sell. Hayden played well yesterday but he's a short-term fix and I don't think Sam Field is good enough technically to play the way we want to. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 18:11 - Jan 12 with 2227 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:32 - Jan 12 by turnsey |
I thought the point made was that Varane's brother won the World Cup with France, just as Jobe Bellingham's brother is a world-class footballer and this assigns far more pressure due to bearing a fairly unique/distinct name in the footballing world. |
I considered that angle until I read "If his name was Smith, Jones or Field, do think he would not get much criticism at all." That laid bare the true nature of the comment.
Besides, there is no evidence to support the notion that QPR fans are holding Jonathon to a higher standard because his brother was a top footballer. Jude and Jobe are full brothers and are playing in the same era. Raphael is retired and Jonathon is his half-brother.
The simple truth of the matter is Jonathon is an average footballer. If anyone is offering £5-6 million for his services, QPR should bite their hand off. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 18:38 - Jan 12 with 2161 views | FDC |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:50 - Jan 12 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Hopefully the club has earmarked a replacement if we do sell. Hayden played well yesterday but he's a short-term fix and I don't think Sam Field is good enough technically to play the way we want to. |
Hayden's not a long term replacement, but another way to look at it is that we didn't really look like we were missing Varane yesterday, so if clubs are offering a decent price for him we really should be taking the profit. The evidence is that we can replace with Hayden for now, and should be able to find a longer term replacement equivalent to Varane on current (and past?) form in the summer. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 12:06 - Jan 13 with 1898 views | LazyFan |
If its £5m sell him.
He may get better, but if he does it won't be by much.
And with £5m we can buy a replacement for £1m from the lower leagues and £2m for that mythical LB and pocket the rest (which means we may not have to sell again for a while).
Hayden was brought in to do a job, lets get him earning his keep. |  |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 22:39 - Jan 13 with 1650 views | HAYESBOY |
https://www.westlondonsport.co
Lots of interest in the player. I would like to keep him but 6m plus we should take and reinvest. |  |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 22:56 - Jan 13 with 1575 views | numptydumpty |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:07 - Jan 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
"Maybe Varane gets so much stick on this forum because of his name. Sure Jobe Bellingham could offer some nuggets of help to overcome such a situation."
His first name, Jonathon, is very common in England. His surname, Varane, has Germanic and Slavic roots.
"If his name was Smith, Jones or Field, do think he would not get much criticism at all."
Sam Field gets a lot of criticism so that's that theory blown to SMITHereens.
"Just a thought of mine....."
A nonsense thought. Stop race baiting. |
Wasnt race baiting at all.
He has a famous brother a la Jobe Bellingham.
Crikey. Bit Rude.
Thats the point i was making. |  |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 23:00 - Jan 13 with 1568 views | numptydumpty |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 18:11 - Jan 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
I considered that angle until I read "If his name was Smith, Jones or Field, do think he would not get much criticism at all." That laid bare the true nature of the comment.
Besides, there is no evidence to support the notion that QPR fans are holding Jonathon to a higher standard because his brother was a top footballer. Jude and Jobe are full brothers and are playing in the same era. Raphael is retired and Jonathon is his half-brother.
The simple truth of the matter is Jonathon is an average footballer. If anyone is offering £5-6 million for his services, QPR should bite their hand off. |
Crikey another one.
Lay off me please. if you knew my history and backgroundi would be the last person accused of racial abuse.
its because his brother was a brilliant footballer. Comparisons do happen often in these cases and its often not done deliberately.
Paul Smith and Sam Field are seen as limited footballers but give their all and they generally get praised. There is often much more criticism of Varane and my point was, i feel its disproportionate. He has generally been decent for ourselves. Hence the comment and famous brother to boot. You will pick me up on Jones now as well. Said thinking about Vinnie Jones weirdly but really just the sentence had more impact with three names.
But i am a racist according to you.
Crikey. So wrong !!!
Your words remind me of Meghan Markle having a child and asked by royal members as to what colour they would be and Oprah Winfrey showing mock outrage. Many years ago, i was asked by my parents when was engaged to an indian girl, a similar question. Wasnt racism its a question of practicality. Really though, you are totally misreading the meaning of my words re Varane. Anyway, end of.
Regards the deal turned down at £5.2 million at the end of the season if promoted.
£5.2 million for Varane is decent on its own. Think strong possibility he will be moved on and being sold for higher than Edwards brought in for, is decent money for the club, but Varane is a player would like to keep myself but our model suggests otherwise, which i do understand. [Post edited 13 Jan 23:47]
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 23:09 - Jan 13 with 1544 views | daveB |
Listening to the WLS podcast it sounds like that deal was based on if they go up so no guarntee of the money so think they will keep him unless someone pays the money now. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 23:19 - Jan 13 with 1515 views | BrisbaneHoop |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 20:23 - Jan 9 by corse |
He is not having a good season but I think he has all the potential to become a good player. Next season will show if Im right or wrong.
90 % from this forum were writing Madsen off last season and look at him now. One of the best players we have. Give Varane time.
I would not sell him now. Unless there is at least £6 mil put on the table. |
100 percent correct. Great post Corse | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 04:04 - Jan 14 with 1274 views | Blue_Castello |
If we're not careful we're going to get in the exact same position as before, not selling a player when we have the opportunity for good money, until the mythical day arrives that we achieve promotion we have to be a club that buys players, develops and sells for a profit.
Any permanent offer of £5 million has to be accepted we can't be that picky or we lose the deal,Varane has been made first choice to put him in the shop window, we have more than adequate replacements in Field and Hayden, it's similar to the Brentford model only the fees are now sadly reduced. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 04:13 - Jan 14 with 1271 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 20:23 - Jan 9 by corse |
He is not having a good season but I think he has all the potential to become a good player. Next season will show if Im right or wrong.
90 % from this forum were writing Madsen off last season and look at him now. One of the best players we have. Give Varane time.
I would not sell him now. Unless there is at least £6 mil put on the table. |
Not a particularly good comparison. It was clear from the start that Madsen has technical ability, he just wasn't applying himself and was rightly criticised. Now he's used to the rigours of the Championship, he's turned out to be a good player. Conversely, Varane doesn't shy away from a challenge but is limited technically. In particular, he seems averse to making a forward pass.
I agree that he has the potential to be a good player but I just don't see enough potential to command more than the £5-6 million being touted in the press. And that's assuming that he extends his contract as he could always run it down and leave on a free. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 04:14 - Jan 14 with 1267 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 22:56 - Jan 13 by numptydumpty |
Wasnt race baiting at all.
He has a famous brother a la Jobe Bellingham.
Crikey. Bit Rude.
Thats the point i was making. |
Fair enough, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (even though I don't believe that you were thinking of Vinnie Jones). [Post edited 14 Jan 4:17]
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 04:16 - Jan 14 with 1262 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 04:04 - Jan 14 by Blue_Castello |
If we're not careful we're going to get in the exact same position as before, not selling a player when we have the opportunity for good money, until the mythical day arrives that we achieve promotion we have to be a club that buys players, develops and sells for a profit.
Any permanent offer of £5 million has to be accepted we can't be that picky or we lose the deal,Varane has been made first choice to put him in the shop window, we have more than adequate replacements in Field and Hayden, it's similar to the Brentford model only the fees are now sadly reduced. |
Nail on head. We've been down that road before with the likes of Manning, BOS, Willock, etc. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 08:38 - Jan 14 with 1067 views | numptydumpty |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 04:14 - Jan 14 by Benny_the_Ball |
Fair enough, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt (even though I don't believe that you were thinking of Vinnie Jones). [Post edited 14 Jan 4:17]
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Wow. i was weirdly but never mind.....
A mind reader is a very impressive skill you have there Benny. [Post edited 14 Jan 8:41]
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 09:45 - Jan 14 with 963 views | Burnleyhoop |
As a selling club, we should bite their hands off. He has made no real progress from last season and has in fact, gone backwards, unlike Madsen who has improved significantly.
Hayden should take his position and Morgan should be given more game time to aid his development. Both are better options than Varane, who is far too negative. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 09:48 - Jan 14 with 952 views | dannyblue |
Sell!
We’re getting a premium for his name and his physique and those moments when he looks dominant sweeping up.
We’re no better with him playing than we would be with Field or Hayden in the role. So we don’t even need to buy a replacement.
Spend some of the profit on a left back. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 09:58 - Jan 14 with 903 views | Metallica_Hoop |
I cannot decide.
Money is always good but he's still only 24.
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:02 - Jan 14 with 888 views | TheChef |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 09:58 - Jan 14 by Metallica_Hoop |
I cannot decide.
Money is always good but he's still only 24.
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Can you really see him improving though? |  |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:17 - Jan 14 with 821 views | Metallica_Hoop |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:02 - Jan 14 by TheChef |
Can you really see him improving though? |
Probably not but who knows half a good season his value goes up.
It's the "might do it for someone else" feeling. | |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:27 - Jan 14 with 775 views | TheChef |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:17 - Jan 14 by Metallica_Hoop |
Probably not but who knows half a good season his value goes up.
It's the "might do it for someone else" feeling. |
Maybe he will but I can live with that.
But I'm doubtful about that anyway. | |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:28 - Jan 14 with 767 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
We've definitely seen potential to improve - for example, the goal against Leicester and the Sunderland game last season. However, he has regressed a bit this season. There are games where you want him to be dominating the midfield but he's been ineffectual. Arguably, that's because we've played two in the middle - maybe in a three, he'd have a bit more leeway? He is a funny one - I still think he could be a much more progressive player in the future but can see why we will sell him at his current value. [Post edited 14 Jan 10:28]
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:49 - Jan 14 with 700 views | Rangersw12 |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 20:46 - Jan 10 by numptydumpty |
Maybe Varane gets so much stick on this forum because of his name. Sure Jobe Bellingham could offer some nuggets of help to overcome such a situation.
If his name was Smith, Jones or Field, do think he would not get much criticism at all.
Just a thought of mine..... [Post edited 10 Jan 20:46]
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Absolute nonsense
For a start he doesn't even get much stick on this forum and any criticism I have seen seems along the lines of how hasn't improved this season and mainly passes backwards. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:56 - Jan 14 with 675 views | bosh67 |
I get the feeling that we are not keen to loan him out based on the fact that they'll only buy if they get promoted. It also, perhaps points to us looking at other offers from Greece etc that maybe straight forward cash deals now.
But this is QPR so it could be that we're waiting to see if we can get a sandwich and a packet of crisps for him at the end of the season. |  |
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