| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:13 - Jan 14 with 3434 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Excellent.
I know Hoos has said this before a few years ago, but great to know that it's still the aim. |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:15 - Jan 14 with 3398 views | eastside_r |
I think this is the logical progression of the investment in our Training Ground.
Especially this point 'Be allowed to cast our youth recruitment net beyond the current radius that we are allowed to recruit from'. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:16 - Jan 14 with 3385 views | loftboy |
Will that help to stop players getting poached? |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:16 - Jan 14 with 3384 views | TheChef |
We could have a great team in five years!  |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:22 - Jan 14 with 3312 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:16 - Jan 14 by loftboy |
Will that help to stop players getting poached? |
Only if they're not as versatile as an egg. [Post edited 14 Jan 10:23]
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:30 - Jan 14 with 3252 views | francisbowles |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:16 - Jan 14 by loftboy |
Will that help to stop players getting poached? |
Maybe. It will mean higher compensation if they are poached. | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:30 - Jan 14 with 3238 views | Rsole |
We’re going to need a bigger physio treatment room… |  |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:48 - Jan 14 with 3110 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:16 - Jan 14 by loftboy |
Will that help to stop players getting poached? |
No, this can always happen, but I think the minimum value is increased to reflect the increased costs that we would have spent developing a player.
There is a sliding scale and a tribunal process.
I'm still amazed that Steve Gallen got QPR a deal for Raheem. He could have been poached for pennies! |  | | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:48 - Jan 14 with 3107 views | wombat |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:16 - Jan 14 by loftboy |
Will that help to stop players getting poached? |
yes and no , i think we would rec more money of a club did take on ours though |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:50 - Jan 14 with 3084 views | Jeff |
They have also offered QPR Bondholders the option to extend their Bond for a further 3 or 5 years with this development… |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:27 - Jan 14 with 2862 views | lassel |
At the risk of finding negative in the positive, it’s frustrating that they could’ve done this when building Heston from the ground up only to now need an expensive retrofit because Ferdinand told the owners not to bother | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:39 - Jan 14 with 2802 views | OakR |
I think this is great news -though obviously we are just applying and the statement says it's not gauranteed we will achieve it.
More money for Academy players sold, we will be more attractiive to players deciding between clubs, makes the club look better generally.
Doesn't guarentee more players comming through the academy etc, but you'd have to think it should increase the (small) chance of it happenking. We still have to recognise a very very small percentage of Academy players make it, but we are giving ourselves a better chance of that happening. | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:46 - Jan 14 with 2759 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:27 - Jan 14 by lassel |
At the risk of finding negative in the positive, it’s frustrating that they could’ve done this when building Heston from the ground up only to now need an expensive retrofit because Ferdinand told the owners not to bother |
Hoos was the CEO. If - if - Ferdinand ever did tell the owners not to bother with Cat 1, Hoos could surely have overruled him. We have no way of knowing what the internal discussions were between the owners, CEO and DOF.
Alex Carroll stated that the training ground would have the infrastructure for the upgrade in the future, so not sure there's any need for an expensive retrofit.
The second article states that Cat 1 has been part of staged plans all along.
https://www.westlondonsport.co
https://archive.trainingground | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:54 - Jan 14 with 2705 views | daveB |
really good news, a big step forward |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:56 - Jan 14 with 2676 views | Hunterhoop |
This feels like excellent news, and way better than being stuck in the relative no man’s land of Cat 2.
This has been a topic of discussion for about a decade. Can anyone remember why we didn’t push for Cat 1 before? It obviously involves more cost. Was Ruben not willing to stump it up before, but is now? Did Hoos not think it was a worthwhile investment before, but now does (or Nourry now does)?
Have they been waiting on something? Nourry’s audit of the club was 2-3 years ago, and the new training ground completed about 3 years ago (roughly). Why not do it then? I’m sure I read somewhere that the business case didn’t stack up, but I can’t remember where. Obviously Brentford have gone down completely the other path.
I think this is excellent news but there’s something I can’t remember properly making me think it’s not quite so black and white. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:12 - Jan 14 with 2568 views | Northernr |
Investment in infrastructure is always great news.
This was the biggest failing of Fernandes, we spent an absolute fortune and it all went to wnker footballers and their agents.
The biggest success and legacy of Ruben so far is the training ground. If they're now going to double down and spend again on the facilities needed for this then it's fantastic all round because it improves us as a club, it provides something tangible for the future, and it reinforces how committed they are to us financially.
Great news to wake up to. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:21 - Jan 14 with 2471 views | daveB |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:56 - Jan 14 by Hunterhoop |
This feels like excellent news, and way better than being stuck in the relative no man’s land of Cat 2.
This has been a topic of discussion for about a decade. Can anyone remember why we didn’t push for Cat 1 before? It obviously involves more cost. Was Ruben not willing to stump it up before, but is now? Did Hoos not think it was a worthwhile investment before, but now does (or Nourry now does)?
Have they been waiting on something? Nourry’s audit of the club was 2-3 years ago, and the new training ground completed about 3 years ago (roughly). Why not do it then? I’m sure I read somewhere that the business case didn’t stack up, but I can’t remember where. Obviously Brentford have gone down completely the other path.
I think this is excellent news but there’s something I can’t remember properly making me think it’s not quite so black and white. |
I've heard Les Ferdinand and Lee Hoos say in the past there was no real advantage to going cat 1 which i always found a bit odd | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:24 - Jan 14 with 2448 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Good news. Building solid foundations is important for the future sustainability of the club. Investment in infrastructure is also exempt from P&S/FFP so it makes complete sense. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:26 - Jan 14 with 2435 views | Lblock |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:16 - Jan 14 by loftboy |
Will that help to stop players getting poached? |
Maybe - there could be a big scramble to get hold of them now..... |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:34 - Jan 14 with 2353 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:21 - Jan 14 by daveB |
I've heard Les Ferdinand and Lee Hoos say in the past there was no real advantage to going cat 1 which i always found a bit odd |
I could never figure out that approach either. I'm not sure whose line they were sticking to, but that was certainly the line.
Definitely a change around and between 2021 and 2023, though. This is an announcement that we will put in the application, and it reads like it will be for the 2027-2028 season onwards. It would be one more vital step.
Fingers crossed it goes ahead and is successful. | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:48 - Jan 14 with 2250 views | paulhoop2 |
Makes Les and Ramsey seem slightly incompetent now which pains me as I love les but seemed like they were both against this happening ? | |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:05 - Jan 14 with 2160 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 12:34 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
I could never figure out that approach either. I'm not sure whose line they were sticking to, but that was certainly the line.
Definitely a change around and between 2021 and 2023, though. This is an announcement that we will put in the application, and it reads like it will be for the 2027-2028 season onwards. It would be one more vital step.
Fingers crossed it goes ahead and is successful. |
Maybe there were some other factors in play back then?
Would the uplift in expenses (more staff etc) have counted against our FFP outgoings back then?
Also, were there more Cat 1 Academies near us back then? Def Chelsea and Brentford, and I can remember when I was at school two of our best players went to Southampton!
I don't think Les tossed off the idea, like Lassel suggested, I'm sure it was looked at in detail by him and Hoos.
Remember, back then our Academy to first team pathway was not great, probably only Kakay?
So, I'm guessing on paper it looked like spend £x million to make £y thousand.
As, the best local players will probably go to the Chelsea puppy farm anyway.
Whats changed now? QPR have since given lots of minutes to DS players and demonstrated a clearer path to the first team, we have a nice new training ground and it looks like we can lose money on the Academy without affecting first team P&S rules?
Good news I say, I'd rather see this than hoovering up old pros and lining the pockets of agents! | | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:10 - Jan 14 with 2112 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 10:16 - Jan 14 by loftboy |
Will that help to stop players getting poached? |
No, but the statement does say we could seek higher compensation from the poaching club if a miserable little money grabbing sh1t bag does decide to jump ship and go to some puppy farm where they'll get lost, drift out of the game, and probably end up near Heathrow turning tricks for cash, as they look on at our state of the art facility producing Ezes by the bucketload wondering: What if I had stayed at QPR as opposed to, what will this fat Arab bloke want for his £50?
Oh the irony! |  |
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| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:11 - Jan 14 with 2107 views | nix |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:05 - Jan 14 by nick_hammersmith |
Maybe there were some other factors in play back then?
Would the uplift in expenses (more staff etc) have counted against our FFP outgoings back then?
Also, were there more Cat 1 Academies near us back then? Def Chelsea and Brentford, and I can remember when I was at school two of our best players went to Southampton!
I don't think Les tossed off the idea, like Lassel suggested, I'm sure it was looked at in detail by him and Hoos.
Remember, back then our Academy to first team pathway was not great, probably only Kakay?
So, I'm guessing on paper it looked like spend £x million to make £y thousand.
As, the best local players will probably go to the Chelsea puppy farm anyway.
Whats changed now? QPR have since given lots of minutes to DS players and demonstrated a clearer path to the first team, we have a nice new training ground and it looks like we can lose money on the Academy without affecting first team P&S rules?
Good news I say, I'd rather see this than hoovering up old pros and lining the pockets of agents! |
Isn’t the point though that the Chelsea puppy farm can only hoover them up because they’re Cat 1 and we’re not so they just have to give pennies in compensation but it’s not so easy if we’re Cat 1 too? Might be wrong here though, can someone clarify?
Incidentally got chatting to a guy who turned out to be a QPR Academy coach who said we’ve got at least one very promising U9 player but because of the Cat 1/2 issue we’d probably lose him within the next couple of years. |  | | |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 13:18 - Jan 14 with 2076 views | hantssi |
| Cat 1. Academy Plans on 11:46 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Hoos was the CEO. If - if - Ferdinand ever did tell the owners not to bother with Cat 1, Hoos could surely have overruled him. We have no way of knowing what the internal discussions were between the owners, CEO and DOF.
Alex Carroll stated that the training ground would have the infrastructure for the upgrade in the future, so not sure there's any need for an expensive retrofit.
The second article states that Cat 1 has been part of staged plans all along.
https://www.westlondonsport.co
https://archive.trainingground |
Brian, never doubt him, he’s the oracle of all things QPR! | | | |
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