| Player Sales 12:48 - Jan 21 with 1776 views | EuroRanger |
Saw Hunter's last post in the match thread and wondered who people expect to leave / would be OK with leaving? I imagine Varane will leave in the summer and would be surprised if we don't have people sniffing around Burrell, especially if he comes back and carries on scoring. I also think anyone paying attention would be taking a hard look at Madsen given his performances this season. I'd be happy with ~£6m for Varane, £7-10m for Madsen (though I don't know if someone would pay that) and I'd rather not sell Burrell (though I guess everyone has a price).
PS. This is not an excuse to slag players who aren't performing right now. |  | | |  |
| Player Sales on 13:08 - Jan 21 with 1257 views | BrianMcCarthy |
It'd break my heart, but I think it's time we cashed in on Michael Meaker. |  |
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| Player Sales on 13:26 - Jan 21 with 1149 views | ted_hendrix |
| Player Sales on 13:08 - Jan 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
It'd break my heart, but I think it's time we cashed in on Michael Meaker. |
You say that but my heart was broken when we was Informed via an old MW radio that we had sold Rodney Marsh. I refused to accept It. |  |
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| Player Sales on 13:29 - Jan 21 with 1121 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Player Sales on 13:26 - Jan 21 by ted_hendrix |
You say that but my heart was broken when we was Informed via an old MW radio that we had sold Rodney Marsh. I refused to accept It. |
Dave Thomas was my moment, Ted.
Not to get all 'Wonder Years' about it but in that moment, little Brian knew that the world would never be the same again. | |
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| Player Sales on 13:38 - Jan 21 with 1074 views | Hunterhoop |
Burrell is the obvious success story and the one you felt, if he’s continued his goal scoring and got 15-20, could have been sold for north of £10m this summer. Players with that many goals and his electric pace don’t come around often.
However, his hamstring injury is a big problem there. He might not score many more and teams might be wary (in a way we weren’t with Poku) about signing him without more games under his belt post injury.
Varane sounds like someone they want to cash in on. Personally I’d shake at £5m if it’s up front. Think that’s great business for us both because of the profit on him, need to bring in money, and because I don’t think he’s worth that currently. However, the club appear to be playing hard ball. Does his injury also curtail interest and/or reduce what we can get?
Madsen is the player fit, playing well all season, so could be some interest there. How old is he? Does he have the athleticism for a higher level? And will teams spend that much on a midfielder with one bad, one good season. Perhaps we get £5m for him? Not much of a profit mind.
My suspicion is we will try to sell Dembele for what we paid or a fraction more, effectively trade out of the deal, with Poku and Smyth under contract.
Is Morrison to Aberdeen a precursor to a sale? With Cool surely leaving, and JCS never fit, I would not want to sell him. Able deputy to Dunne and Edwards next season and hasn’t done enough to make us much money.
Wouldn’t sell Field or Smyth. They’re worth more to us than what we’ll get at this stage of their careers for them.
Too soon for Kone, Poku, Saito.
Chair hasn’t been fit all year, so doubtful it’ll be him.
This is kinda what I mean. It’s not obvious and indicates we don’t have a home run for the model yet.
It also demonstrates why they need to look at the Performance department. This whole approach doesn’t work if assets keep getting injured. |  | | |
| Player Sales on 13:49 - Jan 21 with 997 views | nix |
| Player Sales on 13:38 - Jan 21 by Hunterhoop |
Burrell is the obvious success story and the one you felt, if he’s continued his goal scoring and got 15-20, could have been sold for north of £10m this summer. Players with that many goals and his electric pace don’t come around often.
However, his hamstring injury is a big problem there. He might not score many more and teams might be wary (in a way we weren’t with Poku) about signing him without more games under his belt post injury.
Varane sounds like someone they want to cash in on. Personally I’d shake at £5m if it’s up front. Think that’s great business for us both because of the profit on him, need to bring in money, and because I don’t think he’s worth that currently. However, the club appear to be playing hard ball. Does his injury also curtail interest and/or reduce what we can get?
Madsen is the player fit, playing well all season, so could be some interest there. How old is he? Does he have the athleticism for a higher level? And will teams spend that much on a midfielder with one bad, one good season. Perhaps we get £5m for him? Not much of a profit mind.
My suspicion is we will try to sell Dembele for what we paid or a fraction more, effectively trade out of the deal, with Poku and Smyth under contract.
Is Morrison to Aberdeen a precursor to a sale? With Cool surely leaving, and JCS never fit, I would not want to sell him. Able deputy to Dunne and Edwards next season and hasn’t done enough to make us much money.
Wouldn’t sell Field or Smyth. They’re worth more to us than what we’ll get at this stage of their careers for them.
Too soon for Kone, Poku, Saito.
Chair hasn’t been fit all year, so doubtful it’ll be him.
This is kinda what I mean. It’s not obvious and indicates we don’t have a home run for the model yet.
It also demonstrates why they need to look at the Performance department. This whole approach doesn’t work if assets keep getting injured. |
Definitely not Madsen for £5 million.
I always start with how much would it cost us to replace him. And unless we’re very lucky it would probably cost not much less and then you’ve got them settling in etc. Wouldn’t sell him for less than £7 million.
Varane at £5 million would be good business.
Burrell would need to have a very good offer to let go. Wouldn’t be a disaster to sell Dembele for what we paid for him but I’m not sure we’d get it back.
Morrison hopefully just needs a run of matches. For whatever reason he’s not quite got the consistency and confidence of last season. Having him at least partially off the wage bill and getting matches is a good thing.
Agree with Field and Smyth. |  | | |
| Player Sales on 13:55 - Jan 21 with 974 views | dmm |
I think your assessment is pretty well spot on with the exception of Madsen. I tend to agree with nix regarding him. |  | | |
| Player Sales on 14:01 - Jan 21 with 946 views | TheChef |
I'd be amazed if we found a buyer for Dembele and actually made money on him - but there's one born every minute... |  |
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| Player Sales on 14:02 - Jan 21 with 943 views | charmr |
Thing I see with Madsen is put some pressure on him, tight marking he’s out the game. | | | |
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| Player Sales on 14:04 - Jan 21 with 933 views | dm97 |
Yeah broadly agree. The mood music seems to be Varane and Dembele, I’d guess both back to the continent.
I wouldn’t be selling Madsen unless it’s silly money. Him and Burrell are irreplaceable in current set up (Obikwu not withstanding but doubt he’s going to be ready made yet), and our problems moving the ball up the pitch won’t be helped by a 1 in 1 out situation with Madsen. We need at least 1 if not 2 Centre-Mids to come in who can pass a football 10 yards forwards.
The curious one for me is Jimmy. Neck and neck with Madsen for POTY (given Burrell’s injuries). Always fit, dominant, defends his box as well as anyone at the level, suits the current zeitgeist of football (more direct, physical, transitional). Not a premier league signing but if I’m Wolves / West Ham he looks like exactly the sort of player and character you’d want to be bringing in. Don’t want him to go at all, but I think he’s undervalued and never in these conversations |  | | |
| Player Sales on 14:05 - Jan 21 with 917 views | TheChef |
| Player Sales on 14:04 - Jan 21 by dm97 |
Yeah broadly agree. The mood music seems to be Varane and Dembele, I’d guess both back to the continent.
I wouldn’t be selling Madsen unless it’s silly money. Him and Burrell are irreplaceable in current set up (Obikwu not withstanding but doubt he’s going to be ready made yet), and our problems moving the ball up the pitch won’t be helped by a 1 in 1 out situation with Madsen. We need at least 1 if not 2 Centre-Mids to come in who can pass a football 10 yards forwards.
The curious one for me is Jimmy. Neck and neck with Madsen for POTY (given Burrell’s injuries). Always fit, dominant, defends his box as well as anyone at the level, suits the current zeitgeist of football (more direct, physical, transitional). Not a premier league signing but if I’m Wolves / West Ham he looks like exactly the sort of player and character you’d want to be bringing in. Don’t want him to go at all, but I think he’s undervalued and never in these conversations |
Well he is now 28 - so if any lower Prem team was going to take him it would have to be sooner rather than later.
Of course selfishly I hope he sees his career out with us. | |
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| Player Sales on 14:06 - Jan 21 with 910 views | CamberleyR |
| Player Sales on 13:29 - Jan 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
Dave Thomas was my moment, Ted.
Not to get all 'Wonder Years' about it but in that moment, little Brian knew that the world would never be the same again. |
Phil Parkes for me. Was absolutely gutted when he was sold. I know we were on the way to relegation and I suppose funds needed to be generated for the upcoming rebuild in division two but it made no sense to sell him to someone who would be an upcoming rival in the division we were going to be playing in the following season. [Post edited 21 Jan 14:08]
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| Player Sales on 14:08 - Jan 21 with 881 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Player Sales on 13:38 - Jan 21 by Hunterhoop |
Burrell is the obvious success story and the one you felt, if he’s continued his goal scoring and got 15-20, could have been sold for north of £10m this summer. Players with that many goals and his electric pace don’t come around often.
However, his hamstring injury is a big problem there. He might not score many more and teams might be wary (in a way we weren’t with Poku) about signing him without more games under his belt post injury.
Varane sounds like someone they want to cash in on. Personally I’d shake at £5m if it’s up front. Think that’s great business for us both because of the profit on him, need to bring in money, and because I don’t think he’s worth that currently. However, the club appear to be playing hard ball. Does his injury also curtail interest and/or reduce what we can get?
Madsen is the player fit, playing well all season, so could be some interest there. How old is he? Does he have the athleticism for a higher level? And will teams spend that much on a midfielder with one bad, one good season. Perhaps we get £5m for him? Not much of a profit mind.
My suspicion is we will try to sell Dembele for what we paid or a fraction more, effectively trade out of the deal, with Poku and Smyth under contract.
Is Morrison to Aberdeen a precursor to a sale? With Cool surely leaving, and JCS never fit, I would not want to sell him. Able deputy to Dunne and Edwards next season and hasn’t done enough to make us much money.
Wouldn’t sell Field or Smyth. They’re worth more to us than what we’ll get at this stage of their careers for them.
Too soon for Kone, Poku, Saito.
Chair hasn’t been fit all year, so doubtful it’ll be him.
This is kinda what I mean. It’s not obvious and indicates we don’t have a home run for the model yet.
It also demonstrates why they need to look at the Performance department. This whole approach doesn’t work if assets keep getting injured. |
I think Field will be gone this window. | | | |
| Player Sales on 14:14 - Jan 21 with 850 views | dm97 |
| Player Sales on 14:05 - Jan 21 by TheChef |
Well he is now 28 - so if any lower Prem team was going to take him it would have to be sooner rather than later.
Of course selfishly I hope he sees his career out with us. |
I mean upon being relegated rather than now - not a premier league level player (as the FA cup showed).
Absolutely don’t want him to go and think it would take quite a bit to convince us to sell. But if we’re talking about which of our players would be of interest to other teams I think he’s right up there. | | | |
| Player Sales on 14:17 - Jan 21 with 838 views | TK1 |
We need Murphy Cooper's spell at Sheff W to go well as he could be sold if Walsh is number one.
I imagine Field, Morrison and possibly Dembele, though the later two are so young they're worth another 18 months development.
These are not my choices, but what I imagine the club's thinking at the very least.The model just needs some churn to work, doesn't have be a box office sales yet, just sales. Madsen and Burrell could both fetch money in next year.
And I beat this drum regularly, and it sounds fanciful, but Jimmy Dunne's performances, leadership and experience will be valuable to others even if we don't believe anyone wants a 28 year-old CB. I don't reckon he signed that contract to see out his best years with us. | | | |
| Player Sales on 14:27 - Jan 21 with 780 views | W7Ranger |
| Player Sales on 14:02 - Jan 21 by charmr |
Thing I see with Madsen is put some pressure on him, tight marking he’s out the game. |
DIsagree with this.
He's one of the few players that can pass a ball out of a tight spot under pressure. He rarely holds or dithers on the ball. He gets it and moves it on quickly.
Quality player. |  | | |
| Player Sales on 14:40 - Jan 21 with 705 views | bosh67 |
Surely we have to keep hold of Field? He can play LB, DMF, MF etc. Offload or loan him now would be suicide surely? I don't know why but I always feel we are more stable with him on the pitch. Him and Hayden make a big difference to the middle of the park. |  |
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| Player Sales on 14:51 - Jan 21 with 664 views | qprninja |
Nah, let's keep what we have and get Charlie Austin back in again for a play off push. |  | | |
| Player Sales on 15:01 - Jan 21 with 639 views | nix |
| Player Sales on 14:27 - Jan 21 by W7Ranger |
DIsagree with this.
He's one of the few players that can pass a ball out of a tight spot under pressure. He rarely holds or dithers on the ball. He gets it and moves it on quickly.
Quality player. |
He really is. The only player who really sees a pass (Chair aside) and can execute it quickly.
Also does a deceptive amount of defensive work these days too. | | | |
| Player Sales on 15:10 - Jan 21 with 593 views | daveB |
I'm not sure if we have to sell this month but if we do Field and Nardi seem the obvious ones |  | | |
| Player Sales on 15:14 - Jan 21 with 571 views | Blue_Castello |
| Player Sales on 14:08 - Jan 21 by Wegerles_Stairs |
I think Field will be gone this window. |
Well if the club does that then they Nourry has totally lost the plot, the idea is buy players, develop and sell, making sure you have cover for them.
It's Varane who needs to be sold hes at an age where he will command a decent transfer fee, we have cover in Field and Hayden, I personally don't see a better player than Field in Varane they both do the same job.
We are supposed to sell players at the right time, not hold on until it's too late, let Varane go we have cover..... [Post edited 21 Jan 15:16]
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| Player Sales on 15:15 - Jan 21 with 568 views | Hunterhoop |
Nix, Madsen has had a great season.
My point is more that he’s had one very good season (part way through) and one very bad season.
To a buying club, how does that look? It’ll factor into his price. After another good season, probably won’t.
He’s also 26 in March. Prime of his career. But whoever buys him is unlikely to be selling him on for a profit aged 29/30.
So, whilst I fully agree that I’d want £7m of more for him given how he’s playing currently and how hard he is to replace, I’m not sure if we’ll be offered that.
And the more pressing point is in this model, you have to sell. You can’t hang onto players for too long. But you can only sell players other teams want and can afford. If no one comes in for anyone but Madsen at £5m, what do you do? We have already spent/booked c. £6m of transfer fees for next season, the season after, and the one after that. If you want to continue to invest in the squad, you need to decent transfer fees in. And we can only sell who people want.
Varane is the perfect sale. Won’t hurt us. We have replacements already. And it’s a good figure. I wouldn’t get too greedy on him. [Post edited 21 Jan 15:20]
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| Player Sales on 15:29 - Jan 21 with 506 views | nix |
| Player Sales on 15:15 - Jan 21 by Hunterhoop |
Nix, Madsen has had a great season.
My point is more that he’s had one very good season (part way through) and one very bad season.
To a buying club, how does that look? It’ll factor into his price. After another good season, probably won’t.
He’s also 26 in March. Prime of his career. But whoever buys him is unlikely to be selling him on for a profit aged 29/30.
So, whilst I fully agree that I’d want £7m of more for him given how he’s playing currently and how hard he is to replace, I’m not sure if we’ll be offered that.
And the more pressing point is in this model, you have to sell. You can’t hang onto players for too long. But you can only sell players other teams want and can afford. If no one comes in for anyone but Madsen at £5m, what do you do? We have already spent/booked c. £6m of transfer fees for next season, the season after, and the one after that. If you want to continue to invest in the squad, you need to decent transfer fees in. And we can only sell who people want.
Varane is the perfect sale. Won’t hurt us. We have replacements already. And it’s a good figure. I wouldn’t get too greedy on him. [Post edited 21 Jan 15:20]
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I agree on Varane £5 million would be fine.
Still wouldn’t sell Madsen for that though. If we can’t get £7 million then we build the team around him for a few years like we did with Chair.
Also hope we can get a few hundred thousand here or there for players that are on the fringes like Murphy Cooper, Morrison. Maybe that’s too optimistic but then again never thought we’d get that much for Kelman, Armstrong and Dykes, | | | |
| Player Sales on 15:31 - Jan 21 with 470 views | stainrods_elbow |
I would sell Varane, Madsen, and probably Dembele and King Kone for whatever we can get for them. (If people are putting Madsen in the £7m-£10m bracket, they've clearly had any number of drinks.) |  |
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| Player Sales on 15:39 - Jan 21 with 475 views | daveB |
| Player Sales on 15:14 - Jan 21 by Blue_Castello |
Well if the club does that then they Nourry has totally lost the plot, the idea is buy players, develop and sell, making sure you have cover for them.
It's Varane who needs to be sold hes at an age where he will command a decent transfer fee, we have cover in Field and Hayden, I personally don't see a better player than Field in Varane they both do the same job.
We are supposed to sell players at the right time, not hold on until it's too late, let Varane go we have cover..... [Post edited 21 Jan 15:16]
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If the club have an offer for Varane with money rather than a loan and we might buy him in the summer if we go up then Varane will be sold. I just think if anyone comes in with 1-2 million for Field they'll take that, not as if he is playing at the moment.
One thing on Field which some may not know, his appearance last night took him to 188 Apps in the Championship/Division Two in old money. Only Tony Hazell (202) and Ilias Chair (256) have played more games at this level in our history. he moved above Dave Clement (187) last night.
Jimmy Dunne is not far behind on 178, he'll go level with Ian Gillard the next time he plays.
https://www.qprhistory.co.uk/r | | | |
| Player Sales on 15:44 - Jan 21 with 450 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Player Sales on 13:08 - Jan 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
It'd break my heart, but I think it's time we cashed in on Michael Meaker. |
Whilst your collecting can you check whether we're owed money for Trevor Sinclair? |  | | |
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