| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 21:06 - Jan 21 with 2915 views | colinallcars |
Thanks for early report Clive, spot on as always.
As you say we need someone to do what Rumarn Burrell did.
When in Rume do as the Rumarns do.
Sorry…. |  | |  |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 21:11 - Jan 21 with 2874 views | qprxtc |
Nice. That game was proper shampoopoo. |  | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 21:39 - Jan 21 with 2727 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Clive.
You deserve a medal. |  |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 22:11 - Jan 21 with 2540 views | Dorse |
I quite like the idea of never playing them again: I've heard of pub teams too hung over to play on Sunday morning phoning the league and claiming a 0-0. |  |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 01:31 - Jan 22 with 2041 views | stainrods_elbow |
I'd be interested to know what people make of what is becoming an entrenched dichotomy between JS's verdicts on these games and how some of us, Clive included, are assessing them - 'borderline unwatchable', or for me at Stoke, actually unwatchable.
Is the truth somewhere in the middle, or is there no 'truth' and it's all a matter of where one's expectations are? [Post edited 22 Jan 1:46]
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 06:42 - Jan 22 with 1889 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
A horrible game to watch in horrible conditions and hats off to those that went and watched. Sod that!
Shout to Joe Walsh who is looking much more dominant. Fingers crossed for him.
I'm not concerned about the performances for the past couple of games. When the better attacking players return we'll be back on it. |  |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 08:21 - Jan 22 with 1671 views | Silverfoxqpr |
Appreciate there wasn't exactly much competition but great call giving Walsh 'Star Man'. Almost looks like a new signing since he came back for West Ham. Commanding his area, appears very confident and some great saves to boot. |  | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 08:22 - Jan 22 with 1667 views | stevec |
Feb the fourth, outrageous really.
Subject to the next two home games, perhaps we should have some sort of celebration/ commiseration to honour a whole year without a win in possession.
Such a shame that Roy Castle and Ross McWhirter are no longer around, it’s the sort of obscure event crying out for an appearance on Record Breakers and a subsequent place in the Guinness Book of Records. |  | | |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 08:56 - Jan 22 with 1549 views | TK1 |
Good report, very fair.
When was the last time we had three clean sheets in a row? Is this due to Steve Bould coaching them? Seen some comparisons to Ainsworthball but the main difference is that Gareth might have tried to shthouse a 0-0 and still probably concede.
No QPR team in recent memory has needed Ilias Chair back more than this current lineup, though. In the ten, with Vale on the left, Smyth/Dembele on the right, Kone up top ideally. [Post edited 22 Jan 8:57]
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 09:55 - Jan 22 with 1366 views | Northernr |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 08:56 - Jan 22 by TK1 |
Good report, very fair.
When was the last time we had three clean sheets in a row? Is this due to Steve Bould coaching them? Seen some comparisons to Ainsworthball but the main difference is that Gareth might have tried to shthouse a 0-0 and still probably concede.
No QPR team in recent memory has needed Ilias Chair back more than this current lineup, though. In the ten, with Vale on the left, Smyth/Dembele on the right, Kone up top ideally. [Post edited 22 Jan 8:57]
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Said that about Chair on the Awaydays podcast.
Clean sheets - goalkeeper is playing well after a period of uncertainty in that position, Jimmy Dunne is playing exceptionally well, and him and Cook sit very deep on top of the keeper. That's no good for us going forwards really, but it is difficult to break down. |  | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 10:20 - Jan 22 with 1294 views | BklynRanger |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 01:31 - Jan 22 by stainrods_elbow |
I'd be interested to know what people make of what is becoming an entrenched dichotomy between JS's verdicts on these games and how some of us, Clive included, are assessing them - 'borderline unwatchable', or for me at Stoke, actually unwatchable.
Is the truth somewhere in the middle, or is there no 'truth' and it's all a matter of where one's expectations are? [Post edited 22 Jan 1:46]
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Multiple truths I suppose.
e.g. I hadn't picked up from the stream how bad the pitch was, but if it was as bad as mentioned in the report then maybe my idea of trying to get it down and play through Madsen wasn't really workable?
I still think it was, but what do I know really? I often imagine, in situations where I feel strongly about style of play, selection etc, that if I were putting my point across to the manager in a pub he'd rip my argument to bits by bringing in things like player form, unknown lingering injuries, tactical considerations, things they'd worked on all week not working out, etc etc, all of that.
It doesn't make me, you, Clive or anyone else wrong about thinking that we are currently a hard watch, but there is always another side. The fact that we're not privy to it just gives us the luxury and freedom of being able to say it from our perspective. Which, as long as it's kept within normal boundaries of taste and sanity, is what supporters do. |  | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 10:37 - Jan 22 with 1238 views | daveB |
I think since JCS last hobbled off we've lacked that player to bring the ball out and start attacks from the back, get us a bit higher up the pitch. We've been a bit hit and hope with the midfield coming deep to get the ball and we're struggling to build attacks. hopefully when Ronnie Edwards comes in that is something we might see an improvement in. |  | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 10:41 - Jan 22 with 1227 views | daveB |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 08:56 - Jan 22 by TK1 |
Good report, very fair.
When was the last time we had three clean sheets in a row? Is this due to Steve Bould coaching them? Seen some comparisons to Ainsworthball but the main difference is that Gareth might have tried to shthouse a 0-0 and still probably concede.
No QPR team in recent memory has needed Ilias Chair back more than this current lineup, though. In the ten, with Vale on the left, Smyth/Dembele on the right, Kone up top ideally. [Post edited 22 Jan 8:57]
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Last season we had 4 clean sheets in a row against Cardiff City,Watford,Norwich City and Oxford.
Before that we had 3 in a row in 2023/24 Preston North End, Hull City, Plymouth Argyle
Before that it was under McClaren in 2018 Nottingham Forest, Ipswich Town, Reading | | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 10:46 - Jan 22 with 1206 views | francisbowles |
Thanks Clive, I thought it was a marginally better performance than Stoke but as you say the opposition was probably inferior, albeit with a new manager to motivate them
One important block that I think should be praised was Madsen's. He got back and got his leg across the ball in one of their late counters, when Dembele gave it away, I think.
With an extra day to rest, recover and prepare, I am hoping for an improvement in performance and a much needed win on Saturday.
The questions you ask about Julien's decisions, I understand and have similar thoughts. The only mitigation I can offer, is that it is incredibly difficult to change a 0-0. The defensive shape of the team is mostly very good and subs risk upsetting that and possibly ending in a defeat. Nevertheless, in attack he has to do more. He flogged Burrell to an injury. Some of us were saying, he had lost his edge, was exhausted and needed a rest before he broke down. Similar could happen to Kone if we don't reduce his minutes. It now seems that we have at least three other options up front in Kolli, Bennie and the new guy. We have always had Smyth to try in that role too. So Julien act now and don't repeat the mistake. | | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 11:01 - Jan 22 with 1167 views | TK1 |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 10:41 - Jan 22 by daveB |
Last season we had 4 clean sheets in a row against Cardiff City,Watford,Norwich City and Oxford.
Before that we had 3 in a row in 2023/24 Preston North End, Hull City, Plymouth Argyle
Before that it was under McClaren in 2018 Nottingham Forest, Ipswich Town, Reading |
God, you're right, just looked it up. What a mad streaky season that was: those four clean sheets were part of a 13-match sequence where we only lost once (3-0 away Swansea). Followed immediately by a twelve match sequence where we only won twice and lost seven times.
Had some good days with Marti last year, home to Derby, Watford, Luton, Norwich. Forget sometimes. But the bad runs too, desperate.
We need to win some games again soon (and some players back to do so). We need that release otherwise things may curdle. | | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 11:14 - Jan 22 with 1110 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 09:55 - Jan 22 by Northernr |
Said that about Chair on the Awaydays podcast.
Clean sheets - goalkeeper is playing well after a period of uncertainty in that position, Jimmy Dunne is playing exceptionally well, and him and Cook sit very deep on top of the keeper. That's no good for us going forwards really, but it is difficult to break down. |
Would it be fair to say that the worse QPR perform then the better Cook and Dunne look?
Be interesting to see if Ronnie starts Saturday, we need to progress the ball forward at home somehow. | |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 11:35 - Jan 22 with 1032 views | Noelmc |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 21:39 - Jan 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Clive.
You deserve a medal. |
Two high quality reports on the last two dreadful matches.
Your efforts are very much appreciated. |  | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 12:13 - Jan 22 with 878 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 09:55 - Jan 22 by Northernr |
Said that about Chair on the Awaydays podcast.
Clean sheets - goalkeeper is playing well after a period of uncertainty in that position, Jimmy Dunne is playing exceptionally well, and him and Cook sit very deep on top of the keeper. That's no good for us going forwards really, but it is difficult to break down. |
Which is fine, I guess, if you want to basically 'win' every (away) match 0-0, but it's mostly a case of Football 0, QPR 1. | |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 12:28 - Jan 22 with 804 views | E15Hoop |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 12:13 - Jan 22 by stainrods_elbow |
Which is fine, I guess, if you want to basically 'win' every (away) match 0-0, but it's mostly a case of Football 0, QPR 1. |
Bitching and moaning about it is somewhat pointless, don't you think?
Despite the fact you're blinded by your stated hatred for the guy, I hate to break it to you that M. Stephan is eminently more qualified to make decisions on what the best way to go is currently than you are. | | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 12:33 - Jan 22 with 772 views | Northernr |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 11:14 - Jan 22 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Would it be fair to say that the worse QPR perform then the better Cook and Dunne look?
Be interesting to see if Ronnie starts Saturday, we need to progress the ball forward at home somehow. |
Well I could basically write a whole match preview on that (maybe tomorrow!) but I think a couple of things...
1 - We naturally sit a lot deeper when they're our centre backs. So probably no coincidence we've stopped conceding goals, because they're good centre backs and it's very hard to break down when they're standing on top of the goalkeeper. But also no surprise we're struggling even more to progress the ball. As we always say, Edwards/JCS look like Gods in this team because they carry it out and progress it.
2 - Their outlets on both wings are playing really poorly. There's a big difference atm between spreading the play to Ilias Chair and spreading it to Karamoko Dembele.
3 - The whole team's "out ball" is not here now Burrell is injured. We can't just knock it and turn the full back around now, because nobody is quick enough to chase it. Actually wouldn't be surprised to see this Coventry lad getting some action quite quickly.
4 - It's not the first time during their time here that these two, Cook and particularly Dunne, have stuck their hand up and put their shoulder to the wheel for the team when things are going a bit awry. You've been quite disparaging of Dunne, particularly as a right back, and wanted him shifted on, whereas when he was going to Sheff Utd last year I said this could be a very big mistake. Not everybody can be a development prospect. Not everybody here can be some 21-year-old data pick up for "the project". You have to have players who care about the place and want to be here because it's QPR and it's a great club. If you go too far the other way and your whole squad is a) very young and inexperienced and b) only here because they've been told 'play well for 18 months and we'll sell you to a proper club' then things can quickly go wrong when the going gets tough. Who's playing well at the moment? Who's playing poorly. It's pretty stark.
It's why I'm not mad about the idea of letting Field go. Nourry said something I was really impressed with about 18 months ago when he was tying down Dunne, JCS, Field, Smyth types to new deals, much to the chagrin of Twitter, about having a spine and a core of players who love QPR and love being here. If you've got a squad of 11 players who are all young, inexperienced and only here because they've been told it'll be a stepping stone to something better then when you're stuck at Oxford in a howling gale on a Tuesday night in january don't be surprised if those lads aren't very good, while Jimmy Dunne is standing there with his body on the line making sure we get a point. | | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 12:36 - Jan 22 with 760 views | TheChef |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 10:46 - Jan 22 by francisbowles |
Thanks Clive, I thought it was a marginally better performance than Stoke but as you say the opposition was probably inferior, albeit with a new manager to motivate them
One important block that I think should be praised was Madsen's. He got back and got his leg across the ball in one of their late counters, when Dembele gave it away, I think.
With an extra day to rest, recover and prepare, I am hoping for an improvement in performance and a much needed win on Saturday.
The questions you ask about Julien's decisions, I understand and have similar thoughts. The only mitigation I can offer, is that it is incredibly difficult to change a 0-0. The defensive shape of the team is mostly very good and subs risk upsetting that and possibly ending in a defeat. Nevertheless, in attack he has to do more. He flogged Burrell to an injury. Some of us were saying, he had lost his edge, was exhausted and needed a rest before he broke down. Similar could happen to Kone if we don't reduce his minutes. It now seems that we have at least three other options up front in Kolli, Bennie and the new guy. We have always had Smyth to try in that role too. So Julien act now and don't repeat the mistake. |
Good points - and for a manager when it's 0-0 there's always a temptation to hold what you have especially away. But that's where you need to be brave.
I certainly would have hooked Dembele earlier for Vale (unless Vale's minutes were being managed).
Also I'd have taken off Bennie for Kolli to play with Kone - but then I suppose Kone is having his minutes managed too and he had to come off...and as mentioned not looking very fit in the first place!
On to the next one. |  |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 13:23 - Jan 22 with 578 views | R_from_afar |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 12:33 - Jan 22 by Northernr |
Well I could basically write a whole match preview on that (maybe tomorrow!) but I think a couple of things...
1 - We naturally sit a lot deeper when they're our centre backs. So probably no coincidence we've stopped conceding goals, because they're good centre backs and it's very hard to break down when they're standing on top of the goalkeeper. But also no surprise we're struggling even more to progress the ball. As we always say, Edwards/JCS look like Gods in this team because they carry it out and progress it.
2 - Their outlets on both wings are playing really poorly. There's a big difference atm between spreading the play to Ilias Chair and spreading it to Karamoko Dembele.
3 - The whole team's "out ball" is not here now Burrell is injured. We can't just knock it and turn the full back around now, because nobody is quick enough to chase it. Actually wouldn't be surprised to see this Coventry lad getting some action quite quickly.
4 - It's not the first time during their time here that these two, Cook and particularly Dunne, have stuck their hand up and put their shoulder to the wheel for the team when things are going a bit awry. You've been quite disparaging of Dunne, particularly as a right back, and wanted him shifted on, whereas when he was going to Sheff Utd last year I said this could be a very big mistake. Not everybody can be a development prospect. Not everybody here can be some 21-year-old data pick up for "the project". You have to have players who care about the place and want to be here because it's QPR and it's a great club. If you go too far the other way and your whole squad is a) very young and inexperienced and b) only here because they've been told 'play well for 18 months and we'll sell you to a proper club' then things can quickly go wrong when the going gets tough. Who's playing well at the moment? Who's playing poorly. It's pretty stark.
It's why I'm not mad about the idea of letting Field go. Nourry said something I was really impressed with about 18 months ago when he was tying down Dunne, JCS, Field, Smyth types to new deals, much to the chagrin of Twitter, about having a spine and a core of players who love QPR and love being here. If you've got a squad of 11 players who are all young, inexperienced and only here because they've been told it'll be a stepping stone to something better then when you're stuck at Oxford in a howling gale on a Tuesday night in january don't be surprised if those lads aren't very good, while Jimmy Dunne is standing there with his body on the line making sure we get a point. |
Can you print off 16,000 copies of point 4 and put them on the home fans' seats in time for Saturday's game, please?
Spot on. If every player is treated as a commodity for trading at a profit in short order, we'll lose the connection between the players and the fans, as well as the soul of the club.
We need some experienced, older players who not only make strong contributions but who also care deeply and like being here, who want to achieve something in their careers with us, not elsewhere. |  |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 14:42 - Jan 22 with 411 views | QPROslo |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 10:46 - Jan 22 by francisbowles |
Thanks Clive, I thought it was a marginally better performance than Stoke but as you say the opposition was probably inferior, albeit with a new manager to motivate them
One important block that I think should be praised was Madsen's. He got back and got his leg across the ball in one of their late counters, when Dembele gave it away, I think.
With an extra day to rest, recover and prepare, I am hoping for an improvement in performance and a much needed win on Saturday.
The questions you ask about Julien's decisions, I understand and have similar thoughts. The only mitigation I can offer, is that it is incredibly difficult to change a 0-0. The defensive shape of the team is mostly very good and subs risk upsetting that and possibly ending in a defeat. Nevertheless, in attack he has to do more. He flogged Burrell to an injury. Some of us were saying, he had lost his edge, was exhausted and needed a rest before he broke down. Similar could happen to Kone if we don't reduce his minutes. It now seems that we have at least three other options up front in Kolli, Bennie and the new guy. We have always had Smyth to try in that role too. So Julien act now and don't repeat the mistake. |
Yes, spot on re Madsen's block. I mentioned the same on the Madsen thread. He with Walsh and Dunne were our best players at Oxford for me. Dembele was good during the earlier part of the game especially as somebody has already said in central positions, rather than wide on the right. Perhaps he is the one who should be playing 10 when we get some quick wide players back from rehab. | | | |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 15:13 - Jan 22 with 320 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 10:20 - Jan 22 by BklynRanger |
Multiple truths I suppose.
e.g. I hadn't picked up from the stream how bad the pitch was, but if it was as bad as mentioned in the report then maybe my idea of trying to get it down and play through Madsen wasn't really workable?
I still think it was, but what do I know really? I often imagine, in situations where I feel strongly about style of play, selection etc, that if I were putting my point across to the manager in a pub he'd rip my argument to bits by bringing in things like player form, unknown lingering injuries, tactical considerations, things they'd worked on all week not working out, etc etc, all of that.
It doesn't make me, you, Clive or anyone else wrong about thinking that we are currently a hard watch, but there is always another side. The fact that we're not privy to it just gives us the luxury and freedom of being able to say it from our perspective. Which, as long as it's kept within normal boundaries of taste and sanity, is what supporters do. |
You see, Bklyn, I don't always feel there's some occulted 'other side'. As Roy Keane puts it, your eyes don't lie to you. If we can't string three passes together or have a shot in goal or are coached to sit down for 10 minutes to cheat QPR fans and game of football, because the manager feels we can't win playing properly, that doesn't require some kind of professional meta-analysis. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably, and unsurpsingly, a duck.
I'm also not sure what decent 'sanity' is in these things. For me, as I've argued, fans are irrational, immoderate nutjobs - not just me ;-). For those of us whose works is led by language, the clue's in the word:
fanatic(n.)
1520s, "insane person," from Latin fanaticus "mad, enthusiastic, inspired by a god," also "furious, mad," originally, "pertaining to a temple," from fanum "temple, shrine, consecrated place," related to festus "festive" (see feast (n.)). Meaning "zealous person, person affected by enthusiasm" is from 1640s. As an adjective, in English, 1530s, "furious;" meaning "characterized by excessive enthusiasm," especially in religion (of Nonconformists), is from 1640s. | |
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| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 15:17 - Jan 22 with 314 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Lather, rinse, repeat – Report on 12:28 - Jan 22 by E15Hoop |
Bitching and moaning about it is somewhat pointless, don't you think?
Despite the fact you're blinded by your stated hatred for the guy, I hate to break it to you that M. Stephan is eminently more qualified to make decisions on what the best way to go is currently than you are. |
So, you'll be directing your POV to every other poster on here (including Clive) who has 'bitched and moaned' about the horroshow at Stoke (and to a marginally lesser extent, Oxford), will you?
Presumably, you'd like a message board where everyone just comments favourably and quietly on all things QPR, and no one ever ventures any opinion because they're not 'qualified'.
If so, to repeat, why are you shovelling all this at my door? | |
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