| Madsen hamstring 22:20 - Feb 24 with 8531 views | bosh67 |
Apparently it is his hamstring. Another one with a hamstring injury. Will we see him again this season? Huge loss for us if so. |  |
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| Madsen hamstring on 17:42 - Feb 26 with 1671 views | golborne |
| Madsen hamstring on 11:02 - Feb 25 by francisbowles |
I couldn't believe it when I saw he had picked the same team. I posted early on the match thread some of our players, including Madsen and Kone, need a rest. Kone had a huge bandage on his thigh the other day.
Put the conditioning to one side for just a minute. The reality of the situation last night was we were up against a very good side, with a parachute payment, lots of quality and a fair amount of experience. I'm no Clive but even I had heard of most of their team and subs. The other factors they had btb home games we (again) btb away and then our mounting injury list. Add to that the contrast in styles. Them, possession having been schooled by Russell Martin versus us chasing around after the ball all game, which takes a heavy toll on the freshness and fatigue of the players.
The only way to play last night was to rest your tired and most important players and set up like we did at the end when trying for damage limitation, which btw was far too late.
We could have started Cook, Bennie up front with Kolli, Vale with Hayden in the middle, with Morgan and Esquerdinha on the right and left of midfield.
We might have done better, maybe even a point but whatever we wouldn't have injured Madsen, we might have avoided the drubbing as well as the damage to our goal difference and morale, whilst improving our chances against Sheffield red stripe on Saturday, when they have a day less to recover and prepare as well as the travel.
Some times I think we are heading in the right direction. Our slow build towards improvement is bound to have hurdles along the way but another heavy defeat will be a major set back. Unless, somehow, with even more diminished resources, we can make it ' a different team on Saturday'. U Rrrs |
everybody moaned when he was changing it up for the midweek games earlier in the season, when we had decent players on the bench. "you need to stick with a winning team" was everywhere.
The bench is bare now and people want it the other way.
Thankfully, Morgan has looked OK in recent games including the other night (bar one stupid forced pass). If he can concentrate and not play the exciting (but ultimately not on) pass every time, then we might be OK. Just needs to not force it at times, but great to have a player thinking about getting it forward every time he gets the ball. Varane couldn't/can't be risked for 90, but should be there shortly.
We shouldn't be exposing Bennie to starting matches. Great strike and plenty of effort, but I'll leave it there, he's a young lad.
Vale features in the match for a few minutes, then disappears. Lovely left foot, but no engine and lacks concentration defensively. He was in the mix for 2 goals the other night by being the wrong side of play when his man had gone. Actually, was only edging forward, but he either ignored it, or missed it. He can only be played offensively. |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 17:52 - Feb 26 with 1593 views | TK1 |
| Madsen hamstring on 17:12 - Feb 26 by TheChef |
I've asked it before but I'm not really sure what Hoos does in his role as Chairman.
I mean he appears to attend most matches (he was there Tuesday night) but he doesn't seem to do anything on an executive level, even if he should be. |
Well, he prefaced the accounts and contradicted the CEO's official line therein which suggests authority and activity.
From the outside, it looks like he - understandably - grew tired of being harrangued in the street and having clown paint put on his face on stickers, so he announced his retirement, hired a replacement DOF and reorganised the deckchairs so the new DOF/CEO takes all the public heat and he gets to be Chairman in the background. But he goes to every games, sits next to Nourry and draws a decent wedge according to the accounts. I imagine he's link between club and board. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 17:55 - Feb 26 with 1551 views | R_from_afar |
| Madsen hamstring on 23:10 - Feb 24 by ted_hendrix |
I don't want to know about any more bad news. |
We'll have all your calls forwarded to your executive assistant  . |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Madsen hamstring on 18:02 - Feb 26 with 1502 views | R_from_afar |
| Madsen hamstring on 00:17 - Feb 25 by Northernr |
This has to be a turning point now. Madsen is the golden child, the big project, the 'haha, proved you all wrong' guy. Now even he's sitting down holding his hammy.
Get some people in here who know what they're doing. |
Trouble is, knowing us, we'd get rid of Williams and replace him with the Oxford or Cambridge University rowing coach  . | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Madsen hamstring on 18:09 - Feb 26 with 1481 views | themodfather |
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| Madsen hamstring on 18:09 - Feb 26 with 1478 views | nix |
| Madsen hamstring on 16:59 - Feb 26 by TK1 |
I'm not a conspiracy theorist generally, nor have I any real information that isn't public domain about QPR's management structure.
However, it seems to me that all of Nourry, Hoos and Williams' success or failure is too tied to each other for there to be any real public accountability. That would come from on high, from the owners, ie Ruben. But he's absent. He relies on these guys marking their own homework, which is why it's good to have a Chairman who is also an investor.
There was a conscious decision to hire Nourry over Steve Gallen by the board on Hoos' recommendation. And so while Rangers repeat last season in a slightly different order of events but at a much higher fee, the striking success of Millwall over the same period under Gallen is a very loud bell being rung throughout all those Teams Meeting board dial-ins, I imagine.
It's also why there's a lot of the X trolls now telling all that Millwall are "several years ahead of us in the cycle". They're not. They're just doing a better job with similar materials. I expect some posts on here soon saying the same from new posters soon. |
I’m not sure while you’re quoting my post about injuries and fitness just to shoe-horn another post about transfers and Steve Gallen but okay.
As for not being ahead of our schedule, I would say there is an argument for this given that three big money transfers: Esse (€14 million, youth product), Fleming (€8.3 million) and Tanganga (€7 million) were all identified before Gallen came in. So that’s quite a war chest to buy in new players and to spend on wages. That being said he does seem to be doing a good job with the money he had at his disposal.
However, it’s the usual looking back thing that’s so pervasive here. What do you suggest we should be doing now? Apart from getting rid of Nourry and Stephan? Because we have had lots of managers and none of them since Warnock have really had much success. We had a long time with football man Ferdinand as DoF but Eze aside had as many duds as successes and often had an unbalanced, aging squad. Stephan seems to be making some progress but hampered by injuries. Nourry has had some success with Madsen, Burrell and Kone notable but also hampered by injuries and fitness issues. A fully fit team with all three of these plus Poku, Varane and Chair would be a different prospect to the team that played on Tuesday.
If you took six of Gallen’s best players out of their team for months would they look as good? Maybe they would but maybe not? |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:31 - Feb 26 with 1406 views | Northernr |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:09 - Feb 26 by nix |
I’m not sure while you’re quoting my post about injuries and fitness just to shoe-horn another post about transfers and Steve Gallen but okay.
As for not being ahead of our schedule, I would say there is an argument for this given that three big money transfers: Esse (€14 million, youth product), Fleming (€8.3 million) and Tanganga (€7 million) were all identified before Gallen came in. So that’s quite a war chest to buy in new players and to spend on wages. That being said he does seem to be doing a good job with the money he had at his disposal.
However, it’s the usual looking back thing that’s so pervasive here. What do you suggest we should be doing now? Apart from getting rid of Nourry and Stephan? Because we have had lots of managers and none of them since Warnock have really had much success. We had a long time with football man Ferdinand as DoF but Eze aside had as many duds as successes and often had an unbalanced, aging squad. Stephan seems to be making some progress but hampered by injuries. Nourry has had some success with Madsen, Burrell and Kone notable but also hampered by injuries and fitness issues. A fully fit team with all three of these plus Poku, Varane and Chair would be a different prospect to the team that played on Tuesday.
If you took six of Gallen’s best players out of their team for months would they look as good? Maybe they would but maybe not? |
TBF he lost Tangaga on transfer deadline, their best defender.
Alfie Doughty, their big summer signing, has been fit for only 16 starts.
Mass Luongo blew his ACL out at ours in September.
Be interested to know how our season would have gone if Dunne, Madsen and Kone had played 20 games between them. Not many Tristan Crama's hanging round Heston. |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:39 - Feb 26 with 1385 views | TK1 |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:09 - Feb 26 by nix |
I’m not sure while you’re quoting my post about injuries and fitness just to shoe-horn another post about transfers and Steve Gallen but okay.
As for not being ahead of our schedule, I would say there is an argument for this given that three big money transfers: Esse (€14 million, youth product), Fleming (€8.3 million) and Tanganga (€7 million) were all identified before Gallen came in. So that’s quite a war chest to buy in new players and to spend on wages. That being said he does seem to be doing a good job with the money he had at his disposal.
However, it’s the usual looking back thing that’s so pervasive here. What do you suggest we should be doing now? Apart from getting rid of Nourry and Stephan? Because we have had lots of managers and none of them since Warnock have really had much success. We had a long time with football man Ferdinand as DoF but Eze aside had as many duds as successes and often had an unbalanced, aging squad. Stephan seems to be making some progress but hampered by injuries. Nourry has had some success with Madsen, Burrell and Kone notable but also hampered by injuries and fitness issues. A fully fit team with all three of these plus Poku, Varane and Chair would be a different prospect to the team that played on Tuesday.
If you took six of Gallen’s best players out of their team for months would they look as good? Maybe they would but maybe not? |
I meant to reply to the thread. Apologies.
Yeah, Tanganga was identified before hand, but signed on a perm after Gallen joined. For free. I mean, we could've signed him too. They first signed him on loan after Nourry officially started.
Esse, yeah youth product (£12m, plus add-ons which he won't hit at the moment on loan at Coventry). But sold by Gallen at the very top price he could get, much like Tanganga. Neither are worth remotely what they were sold for.
The cigar smoking memes would be floating alongside the Nourry is cooking social posts if CN had sold any player for half as much.
"What would you suggest we should be doing differently?" Difficult question as I would not have given the 26-year-old auditor his first job in football as CEO/DOF over an experienced and suitable DOF who wanted the job in the first place.
But let's say I had had that mental collapse as owner and was now looking at many of my expensive purchases sitting in the stand with with blown out hamstrings, I'd bring in another auditor (maybe call him Chris Ramsey - joke) and rip that medical department apart to find out. I would say that takes precedence over firing the cup-winning development lead and QPR legend Paul Furlong (I'd also announce his successor properly). But hey, this is a knotty ball of string - should I keep pulling?
Then I'd make the chairman a public and accountable face of the club, not a sinister silent figurehead. Let's have some standards.
And I absolutely would not get rid of Stephan.I think he's good and needs time and a fit squad. I have never suggested otherwise so feels odd you saying I might say get rid. Nor would I get rid of Nourry now. We have to see it through. But there needs to be a structure we can understand, there needs to be accountability. It's all grey areas, the club structure and announcements purposefully oblique.
So that's what I'd change. I would also come to every game and glare down the necks of Hoos, Nourry and Williams because that's my £2m I'm paying in every month. I'd probably poach Millwall's strength and conditioning team.
Again, maybe that's just me. | | | |
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| Madsen hamstring on 19:02 - Feb 26 with 1315 views | Hunterhoop |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:09 - Feb 26 by nix |
I’m not sure while you’re quoting my post about injuries and fitness just to shoe-horn another post about transfers and Steve Gallen but okay.
As for not being ahead of our schedule, I would say there is an argument for this given that three big money transfers: Esse (€14 million, youth product), Fleming (€8.3 million) and Tanganga (€7 million) were all identified before Gallen came in. So that’s quite a war chest to buy in new players and to spend on wages. That being said he does seem to be doing a good job with the money he had at his disposal.
However, it’s the usual looking back thing that’s so pervasive here. What do you suggest we should be doing now? Apart from getting rid of Nourry and Stephan? Because we have had lots of managers and none of them since Warnock have really had much success. We had a long time with football man Ferdinand as DoF but Eze aside had as many duds as successes and often had an unbalanced, aging squad. Stephan seems to be making some progress but hampered by injuries. Nourry has had some success with Madsen, Burrell and Kone notable but also hampered by injuries and fitness issues. A fully fit team with all three of these plus Poku, Varane and Chair would be a different prospect to the team that played on Tuesday.
If you took six of Gallen’s best players out of their team for months would they look as good? Maybe they would but maybe not? |
All valid points, Nix, apart from the last question. Not having a long list of injuries and lots of first team players unavailable is a good reflection on Gallen. It’s part of the job. The DOF is accountable for it all. Sign robust players. Set up/maintain a strong medical/physio department. It’s all part of the job. It contributes to what happens on the pitch and where you finish in the league table. You can’t say they’d be doing worse with a lot more injuries. It’s irrelevant. Why do we give ourselves this excuse?
I agree with you that, assuming Stephan is following medical advice, then he can’t be really held accountable for all the injuries. He’s playing the hand he’s been dealt.
But we can’t push this line of “well how would these better teams be doing if they had all the injuries we have?” They don’t. That’s the point. Their conditioning, fitness levels, and lack of injuries is part of the reason they are doing well, because they’ve done a great job in these areas.
Saying injuries are just luck is self defeating. It gets you nowhere. Better to focus on what you control and whether there is anything you could be doing to improve the situation. Much better to do this than try to persuade everyone there is no issue (as has been the club’s strategy for over a year now).
And if you have been hampered by injuries two years running, it’s unlikely to be “luck” and requires some leadership to resolve it. Millwall, Coventry, Boro, are possibly signing more robust players, or doing a better job of keeping the on the pitch. It’s not luck. It’s one aspect of what makes you a well run club.
And I fully appreciate individual, contact injuries, in isolation, can well be down to luck, but I’m speaking overall about the bigger picture, over a couple of seasons. That isn’t luck. It’s a reflection of decisions made and approaches taken. |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 19:15 - Feb 26 with 1276 views | nix |
| Madsen hamstring on 19:02 - Feb 26 by Hunterhoop |
All valid points, Nix, apart from the last question. Not having a long list of injuries and lots of first team players unavailable is a good reflection on Gallen. It’s part of the job. The DOF is accountable for it all. Sign robust players. Set up/maintain a strong medical/physio department. It’s all part of the job. It contributes to what happens on the pitch and where you finish in the league table. You can’t say they’d be doing worse with a lot more injuries. It’s irrelevant. Why do we give ourselves this excuse?
I agree with you that, assuming Stephan is following medical advice, then he can’t be really held accountable for all the injuries. He’s playing the hand he’s been dealt.
But we can’t push this line of “well how would these better teams be doing if they had all the injuries we have?” They don’t. That’s the point. Their conditioning, fitness levels, and lack of injuries is part of the reason they are doing well, because they’ve done a great job in these areas.
Saying injuries are just luck is self defeating. It gets you nowhere. Better to focus on what you control and whether there is anything you could be doing to improve the situation. Much better to do this than try to persuade everyone there is no issue (as has been the club’s strategy for over a year now).
And if you have been hampered by injuries two years running, it’s unlikely to be “luck” and requires some leadership to resolve it. Millwall, Coventry, Boro, are possibly signing more robust players, or doing a better job of keeping the on the pitch. It’s not luck. It’s one aspect of what makes you a well run club.
And I fully appreciate individual, contact injuries, in isolation, can well be down to luck, but I’m speaking overall about the bigger picture, over a couple of seasons. That isn’t luck. It’s a reflection of decisions made and approaches taken. |
Hunter I didn’t say the injuries were just down to luck. If you read my previous post it was saying entirely the opposite, that we need to find out exactly what is going wrong. I have never defended the injury situation. We need to look at all aspects from medical, training methods, fitness assessment - and as you say recruitment - although as far as I know Madsen and Burrell are not known for hamstring issues previously. I’m not sure what Varane’s injury record was or Dembele’s but I don’t think he’s had a prior ACL nor Larkeche? And Chair has previously had an excellent fitness record.
I was just replying to TK1’s post replying to my post and bringing in the question of Gallen and transfers. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 19:25 - Feb 26 with 1223 views | nix |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:31 - Feb 26 by Northernr |
TBF he lost Tangaga on transfer deadline, their best defender.
Alfie Doughty, their big summer signing, has been fit for only 16 starts.
Mass Luongo blew his ACL out at ours in September.
Be interested to know how our season would have gone if Dunne, Madsen and Kone had played 20 games between them. Not many Tristan Crama's hanging round Heston. |
Well TBF I did say he’d done a good job with the money he had but he has had a decent amount of cash which helps.
And we’re doing without two of our big summer signings for a large part of the season: Burrell and Poku as well as Chair, JCS (I know), Varane and Dembele the deputy of our deputy. Which is why I didn’t understand why my post about injuries became a post about transfers. Because until you sort out the injuries, it doesn’t matter who you bring in. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 19:38 - Feb 26 with 1184 views | nix |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:39 - Feb 26 by TK1 |
I meant to reply to the thread. Apologies.
Yeah, Tanganga was identified before hand, but signed on a perm after Gallen joined. For free. I mean, we could've signed him too. They first signed him on loan after Nourry officially started.
Esse, yeah youth product (£12m, plus add-ons which he won't hit at the moment on loan at Coventry). But sold by Gallen at the very top price he could get, much like Tanganga. Neither are worth remotely what they were sold for.
The cigar smoking memes would be floating alongside the Nourry is cooking social posts if CN had sold any player for half as much.
"What would you suggest we should be doing differently?" Difficult question as I would not have given the 26-year-old auditor his first job in football as CEO/DOF over an experienced and suitable DOF who wanted the job in the first place.
But let's say I had had that mental collapse as owner and was now looking at many of my expensive purchases sitting in the stand with with blown out hamstrings, I'd bring in another auditor (maybe call him Chris Ramsey - joke) and rip that medical department apart to find out. I would say that takes precedence over firing the cup-winning development lead and QPR legend Paul Furlong (I'd also announce his successor properly). But hey, this is a knotty ball of string - should I keep pulling?
Then I'd make the chairman a public and accountable face of the club, not a sinister silent figurehead. Let's have some standards.
And I absolutely would not get rid of Stephan.I think he's good and needs time and a fit squad. I have never suggested otherwise so feels odd you saying I might say get rid. Nor would I get rid of Nourry now. We have to see it through. But there needs to be a structure we can understand, there needs to be accountability. It's all grey areas, the club structure and announcements purposefully oblique.
So that's what I'd change. I would also come to every game and glare down the necks of Hoos, Nourry and Williams because that's my £2m I'm paying in every month. I'd probably poach Millwall's strength and conditioning team.
Again, maybe that's just me. |
Yes Tanganga could have come to us in theory but we don’t know the arrangement if it was a loan to permanent transfer, plus you’re more likely to stay where you are if it’s going well, and maybe his wages were too high? It’s a decent price for Esse and Tanganga but I don’t think Dykes, Kelman and Armstrong were worth what we sold them for so that happens but none of them were going to attract what those players were sold for. I’m not sure who we had in the DS who could have gone for anything like those sums.
I agree with keeping Stephan. He’s doing a good job on the face of it with bare bones at the moment.
I also agree with in depth review of the medical/fitness and training teams to find out where the issues are, which is exactly what I said in my original post.
I’m not a subscriber to the dark arts view of our structures. As I said earlier it makes sense to me for both the manager and the fitness/medical teams to report through to the CEO. Whether he is managing this well enough is another question and I think the answer is almost certainly no given the outcomes in terms of our injuries.
And I don’t think it’s just you. You have many supporters. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 20:45 - Feb 26 with 1034 views | OldPedro |
| Madsen hamstring on 19:38 - Feb 26 by nix |
Yes Tanganga could have come to us in theory but we don’t know the arrangement if it was a loan to permanent transfer, plus you’re more likely to stay where you are if it’s going well, and maybe his wages were too high? It’s a decent price for Esse and Tanganga but I don’t think Dykes, Kelman and Armstrong were worth what we sold them for so that happens but none of them were going to attract what those players were sold for. I’m not sure who we had in the DS who could have gone for anything like those sums.
I agree with keeping Stephan. He’s doing a good job on the face of it with bare bones at the moment.
I also agree with in depth review of the medical/fitness and training teams to find out where the issues are, which is exactly what I said in my original post.
I’m not a subscriber to the dark arts view of our structures. As I said earlier it makes sense to me for both the manager and the fitness/medical teams to report through to the CEO. Whether he is managing this well enough is another question and I think the answer is almost certainly no given the outcomes in terms of our injuries.
And I don’t think it’s just you. You have many supporters. |
"....but I don’t think Dykes, Kelman and Armstrong were worth what we sold them for.... "
From the recent accounts, it doesn't look like we got as much for Dykes and Armstrong as was rumoured when they were sold. |  |
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| Madsen hamstring on 22:10 - Feb 26 with 875 views | wombat |
| Madsen hamstring on 20:45 - Feb 26 by OldPedro |
"....but I don’t think Dykes, Kelman and Armstrong were worth what we sold them for.... "
From the recent accounts, it doesn't look like we got as much for Dykes and Armstrong as was rumoured when they were sold. |
As Clive has said it makes no sense to sack yet another ma anger , coach until things are sorted out above him , as usual the powers that be aren’t up to the job , bears was brought in to run the club and that didn’t go well, nourry has blagged the job brought a lot of his mates / family in and let’s be honest isn’t doing. Great job at the moment ,he’s spent a lot of cash to bring in younger injury prone players , so the diff is before we was brining in older injury prone payers , they gave decided furlong isn’t the right man after winning our first cup in how many years at any level . Gallen running the ship on the playing. Side made perfect sense , bucket loads of experience knows the club knows what’s expected and knows players . Let’s be honest nourry knows how to open a pc and search for a winger with hamstring injuries , oh and he run a website in France when he was 15 . Anyone else would have said laters to William’s after his zoom stint in Dubai let alone give him the keys to the door and run pretty much everything. If what people are saying g is correct.
At present the club is being run on a series of theories not facts not experience theories run through a pc oh and half. Dozen methodology guys
How many long established members of staff have left since they arrived ? Simon Cheshire being the latest this week
Get the running to the club right then things may improve on the pitch . |  |
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| Madsen hamstring on 09:11 - Feb 27 with 606 views | golborne |
Does anybody know how the Youth/B teams are getting on injury wise? Wondering if there is anything in a previous discussion around the pitches at the training ground? I have no knowledge of what they're made of, but others seemed to think they were ITK, claiming that Newcastle ripped up the very same new pitches, due to ongoing soft tissue injuries. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 09:38 - Feb 27 with 573 views | GroveR |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:31 - Feb 26 by Northernr |
TBF he lost Tangaga on transfer deadline, their best defender.
Alfie Doughty, their big summer signing, has been fit for only 16 starts.
Mass Luongo blew his ACL out at ours in September.
Be interested to know how our season would have gone if Dunne, Madsen and Kone had played 20 games between them. Not many Tristan Crama's hanging round Heston. |
"Lost" is relative. Gallen had to tell the manager on one hand he's not selling their best player and tell the board on the other he'll realise the biggest profit he can on their most sellable asset. It's a first-world problem and one I wish we had more often than getting an undisclosed amount for lads aren't in the managers plans. |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 09:53 - Feb 27 with 523 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Madsen hamstring on 18:39 - Feb 26 by TK1 |
I meant to reply to the thread. Apologies.
Yeah, Tanganga was identified before hand, but signed on a perm after Gallen joined. For free. I mean, we could've signed him too. They first signed him on loan after Nourry officially started.
Esse, yeah youth product (£12m, plus add-ons which he won't hit at the moment on loan at Coventry). But sold by Gallen at the very top price he could get, much like Tanganga. Neither are worth remotely what they were sold for.
The cigar smoking memes would be floating alongside the Nourry is cooking social posts if CN had sold any player for half as much.
"What would you suggest we should be doing differently?" Difficult question as I would not have given the 26-year-old auditor his first job in football as CEO/DOF over an experienced and suitable DOF who wanted the job in the first place.
But let's say I had had that mental collapse as owner and was now looking at many of my expensive purchases sitting in the stand with with blown out hamstrings, I'd bring in another auditor (maybe call him Chris Ramsey - joke) and rip that medical department apart to find out. I would say that takes precedence over firing the cup-winning development lead and QPR legend Paul Furlong (I'd also announce his successor properly). But hey, this is a knotty ball of string - should I keep pulling?
Then I'd make the chairman a public and accountable face of the club, not a sinister silent figurehead. Let's have some standards.
And I absolutely would not get rid of Stephan.I think he's good and needs time and a fit squad. I have never suggested otherwise so feels odd you saying I might say get rid. Nor would I get rid of Nourry now. We have to see it through. But there needs to be a structure we can understand, there needs to be accountability. It's all grey areas, the club structure and announcements purposefully oblique.
So that's what I'd change. I would also come to every game and glare down the necks of Hoos, Nourry and Williams because that's my £2m I'm paying in every month. I'd probably poach Millwall's strength and conditioning team.
Again, maybe that's just me. |
I agree with all of that ^^
However, I'm not clamouring to get Steve Gallen back in at QPR. We must have the worst record for destroying legendary reputations in the whole football league.
Someone would have to be mad to go back into what surely is a lose lose situation.
I still think its a massive shame we couldn't have used Mark Warburton as a DoF.
If he could fit into the model we have now I'm 100% sure the club would be better off and that £2m loss every month could be utilised in a better way. |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 10:06 - Feb 27 with 485 views | TheChef |
| Madsen hamstring on 09:53 - Feb 27 by nick_hammersmith |
I agree with all of that ^^
However, I'm not clamouring to get Steve Gallen back in at QPR. We must have the worst record for destroying legendary reputations in the whole football league.
Someone would have to be mad to go back into what surely is a lose lose situation.
I still think its a massive shame we couldn't have used Mark Warburton as a DoF.
If he could fit into the model we have now I'm 100% sure the club would be better off and that £2m loss every month could be utilised in a better way. |
Who'd be looking at QPR currently and think "oh yeah that's a great place to work"?
Word gets around especially in football circles.
It's great that Ruben puts in the money every month to keep the lights on, but he's really got to get a hold of this thing. |  |
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| Madsen hamstring on 10:23 - Feb 27 with 461 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Madsen hamstring on 10:06 - Feb 27 by TheChef |
Who'd be looking at QPR currently and think "oh yeah that's a great place to work"?
Word gets around especially in football circles.
It's great that Ruben puts in the money every month to keep the lights on, but he's really got to get a hold of this thing. |
Yeah, I imagine its pretty toxic at the moment if you are not in the inner circle
I still can't work out why Furlong was pushed out?
I'd assumed he wanted a higher up job (and probably deserved one after his success)
But, he's not working anywhere else yet as far as I can see.
So, maybe he was just outspoken of the way things were being done by this inner circle.
Football is a fairly small industry, and I reckon people working in it have an idea better than us what is going on.
But if it was my money bankrolling this I'd be having a conversation with the people whose job is it to keep my first team fit.
You can't sell these assets for top dollar if they are not able to get on the pitch and demonstrate that they can do a job. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 10:45 - Feb 27 with 410 views | TK1 |
| Madsen hamstring on 09:53 - Feb 27 by nick_hammersmith |
I agree with all of that ^^
However, I'm not clamouring to get Steve Gallen back in at QPR. We must have the worst record for destroying legendary reputations in the whole football league.
Someone would have to be mad to go back into what surely is a lose lose situation.
I still think its a massive shame we couldn't have used Mark Warburton as a DoF.
If he could fit into the model we have now I'm 100% sure the club would be better off and that £2m loss every month could be utilised in a better way. |
It's too late for Steve Gallen now, for sure.
But - apologies Nix for looking back, but those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it - there was a vacuum in the summer of Ainsworth, before Watford away. That's when Gallen could've come in and built a club up. He was free, we had a vacancy in his position.
I think the owners were probably scared after all the other football people they'd employed had sold them short (ie Beale, and to a lesser extent Warburton, Les, Ramsey) and a desire for someone to identify issues once and for all. So they hired Nourry to do an audit. And they then, insanely to my mind, employed him to action his recommendations.
We have to hope as QPR fans that Nourry succeeds. It sticks in the craw that we have to listen to him bullsht so often along the way, and that letting go of so many good people at the club such as Furlong is part of that process, but we definitely all want him and the team to succeed.
Otherwise, there will be another summer of ground zero change in a year or so. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 10:53 - Feb 27 with 385 views | DannyPaddox |
Just to politely ask when the thread stuck at the top of the page will be removed. Every time I see ‘Cookies popup issues’ I think oh fck not another one - now Steve Cook has done a hernia/groin/exploding bollock |  | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 11:05 - Feb 27 with 345 views | Hunterhoop |
| Madsen hamstring on 19:15 - Feb 26 by nix |
Hunter I didn’t say the injuries were just down to luck. If you read my previous post it was saying entirely the opposite, that we need to find out exactly what is going wrong. I have never defended the injury situation. We need to look at all aspects from medical, training methods, fitness assessment - and as you say recruitment - although as far as I know Madsen and Burrell are not known for hamstring issues previously. I’m not sure what Varane’s injury record was or Dembele’s but I don’t think he’s had a prior ACL nor Larkeche? And Chair has previously had an excellent fitness record.
I was just replying to TK1’s post replying to my post and bringing in the question of Gallen and transfers. |
Fair enough, Nix. It was just that question at the end which I think is a little dangerous as it puts people into that mindset of “well if they had our injuries they’d be struggling too”, or “without injuries, we could be up there”. But that is like saying “if we had better players” or “if we’d won more matches” we’d be up there. Of course. We didn’t.
I saw something from Wilkins on this MB saying how his son was worried this team could be a “What if” team. Again though, I worry that mindset is putting our position down to bad luck rather than appreciating the hard work and importance of getting the player fitness/conditioning side of the game right OR signing more robust players. You can’t on the one hand be happy we’re signing all three short ballers, and on the other think it’s bad luck we seem to get steamrollered in the first 15 mins of every second half after the oppo have been given a boll*cking and come out aggressive.
I personally think it’s mainly the Performance dept employing a flawed approach rather than using a load of crocks. Yes, Poku was probably an unreliable signing, but like Nix says, Burrell, Madsen, Varane, Chair (until the last 2 seasons), and others, don’t have a long history of injuries. It’s something we’re doing at the club and have been for a couple of seasons. Players going to get second opinions and treatment outside the club, on their own dime, is a sign they think the same. The club needs to deal with it to make the play offs a possibility and the player trading model a success. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:10 - Feb 27 with 136 views | nix |
| Madsen hamstring on 11:05 - Feb 27 by Hunterhoop |
Fair enough, Nix. It was just that question at the end which I think is a little dangerous as it puts people into that mindset of “well if they had our injuries they’d be struggling too”, or “without injuries, we could be up there”. But that is like saying “if we had better players” or “if we’d won more matches” we’d be up there. Of course. We didn’t.
I saw something from Wilkins on this MB saying how his son was worried this team could be a “What if” team. Again though, I worry that mindset is putting our position down to bad luck rather than appreciating the hard work and importance of getting the player fitness/conditioning side of the game right OR signing more robust players. You can’t on the one hand be happy we’re signing all three short ballers, and on the other think it’s bad luck we seem to get steamrollered in the first 15 mins of every second half after the oppo have been given a boll*cking and come out aggressive.
I personally think it’s mainly the Performance dept employing a flawed approach rather than using a load of crocks. Yes, Poku was probably an unreliable signing, but like Nix says, Burrell, Madsen, Varane, Chair (until the last 2 seasons), and others, don’t have a long history of injuries. It’s something we’re doing at the club and have been for a couple of seasons. Players going to get second opinions and treatment outside the club, on their own dime, is a sign they think the same. The club needs to deal with it to make the play offs a possibility and the player trading model a success. |
I think the issues of injuries is slightly different from getting better players though. It should surely be a cheaper and easier option. Plenty of clubs who can’t unearth a decent striker or a creative midfielder manage to keep most of their squad fit. I actually do believe if we’d had Chair, JCS, Poku, Burrell and Varane all season we’d have won more matches. I don’t think that’s a particularly outlandish claim.
Just a question? Do you think there could be some issues with training as well as fitness/conditioning? There definitely needs to be analysis of that as well. And if I was looking at other clubs’ experience we could learn from I’d also want to look at player loads on the pitch. Are we delaying putting our subs on for too long, for example? Are we looking at particular player positions (e.g. ones that press a lot/do lots of quick sprints/receive bad tackles) and considering how often it’s reasonable for them to play 90 minutes etc without a break. | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:18 - Feb 27 with 109 views | nix |
| Madsen hamstring on 10:45 - Feb 27 by TK1 |
It's too late for Steve Gallen now, for sure.
But - apologies Nix for looking back, but those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it - there was a vacuum in the summer of Ainsworth, before Watford away. That's when Gallen could've come in and built a club up. He was free, we had a vacancy in his position.
I think the owners were probably scared after all the other football people they'd employed had sold them short (ie Beale, and to a lesser extent Warburton, Les, Ramsey) and a desire for someone to identify issues once and for all. So they hired Nourry to do an audit. And they then, insanely to my mind, employed him to action his recommendations.
We have to hope as QPR fans that Nourry succeeds. It sticks in the craw that we have to listen to him bullsht so often along the way, and that letting go of so many good people at the club such as Furlong is part of that process, but we definitely all want him and the team to succeed.
Otherwise, there will be another summer of ground zero change in a year or so. |
Yes I’m all for learning from past experiences. So if you’re saying, well we need to bring in someone who can do x, y and z because we’ve found that worked in the past. Or we shouldn’t do x, y and z because we’ve found that was a disaster then that makes sense. What I’m talking about is regularly saying we should’ve kept Warnock or Warburton (who arguably spent a lot of money without a legacy and still managed to lose a shed load of matches towards the end of the season) when that doesn’t get us anywhere. We should have appointed Steve Gallen also falls into that category. Where’s the learning? We didn’t so what do we need to do now? | | | |
| Madsen hamstring on 13:29 - Feb 27 with 79 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Madsen hamstring on 19:02 - Feb 26 by Hunterhoop |
All valid points, Nix, apart from the last question. Not having a long list of injuries and lots of first team players unavailable is a good reflection on Gallen. It’s part of the job. The DOF is accountable for it all. Sign robust players. Set up/maintain a strong medical/physio department. It’s all part of the job. It contributes to what happens on the pitch and where you finish in the league table. You can’t say they’d be doing worse with a lot more injuries. It’s irrelevant. Why do we give ourselves this excuse?
I agree with you that, assuming Stephan is following medical advice, then he can’t be really held accountable for all the injuries. He’s playing the hand he’s been dealt.
But we can’t push this line of “well how would these better teams be doing if they had all the injuries we have?” They don’t. That’s the point. Their conditioning, fitness levels, and lack of injuries is part of the reason they are doing well, because they’ve done a great job in these areas.
Saying injuries are just luck is self defeating. It gets you nowhere. Better to focus on what you control and whether there is anything you could be doing to improve the situation. Much better to do this than try to persuade everyone there is no issue (as has been the club’s strategy for over a year now).
And if you have been hampered by injuries two years running, it’s unlikely to be “luck” and requires some leadership to resolve it. Millwall, Coventry, Boro, are possibly signing more robust players, or doing a better job of keeping the on the pitch. It’s not luck. It’s one aspect of what makes you a well run club.
And I fully appreciate individual, contact injuries, in isolation, can well be down to luck, but I’m speaking overall about the bigger picture, over a couple of seasons. That isn’t luck. It’s a reflection of decisions made and approaches taken. |
And it also helps if you don't sign players who have a track record of injury or are currently injured. |  | | |
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