| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football 17:10 - Jul 28 with 24468 views | Juzzie |
"... the plans could potentially earn Fifa president Gianni Infantino tens of millions of pounds."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo
You're in your mid/late 50's being paid £6m+ a year (plus all the expenses, freebies etc) and already worth upwards of £15millon+. Just how much fking' money do you need?
Greedy cnts.
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 13:20 - Jul 31 with 2403 views | dmm |
Burnham's calling on Fifa president to resign. It would be nice if other national leaders joined in and made a chorus of it. |  | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 13:32 - Jul 31 with 2350 views | Dorse |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 13:20 - Jul 31 by dmm |
Burnham's calling on Fifa president to resign. It would be nice if other national leaders joined in and made a chorus of it. |
If that was on pay-per-view, I'd definitely watch. |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 13:47 - Jul 31 with 2287 views | dmm |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 13:32 - Jul 31 by Dorse |
If that was on pay-per-view, I'd definitely watch. |
I'm sure Miss Aye-eye could help you with that. | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 14:07 - Jul 31 with 2198 views | QPunkR |
For my money (as I know how much Clive loves aspersions on the message board!), I reckon CONCACAF president Victor Montagliani is the favourite to run against Infantino next year now and could well win.
For me it's the only way it makes sense that CONCACAF was unexpectedly second out of the blocks to criticise the plans, given that they've got the US among their members. Sharks smell blood in the water and Infantino will be at his weakest since taking office if these mental plans hopefully get kicked into touch - and he's up for reelection in a few months. All it needs is a realistic opponent to run against him |  |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 14:29 - Jul 31 with 2155 views | Juzzie |
Infantino should go now, he's clearly been 'Trumped' and blinded by the consequences of what he's done.
Funny thing is, if he does go/get elected out, Trump will totally shun him like he does to everyone else that falls from grace and Infantino will be saying "but... but.... I thought we were friends". | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 15:54 - Jul 31 with 2050 views | R_from_afar |
38 Degrees are campaigning against FIFA's proposal. There is a petition at the link below. I've signed it.
https://act.38degrees.org.uk/a |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 16:50 - Jul 31 with 1982 views | 7374Ranger |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 15:54 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
38 Degrees are campaigning against FIFA's proposal. There is a petition at the link below. I've signed it.
https://act.38degrees.org.uk/a |
Just signed the petition.
I suspect This FIFA plan has Trump’s finger prints all over it. Infantino has become infatuated by Trump and this is all about how rich investors and Kushner can make huge profits in organising and charging extortionate prices for their events and matches.
Infantino has risked his job and hopefully this will be rejected and will not be re-elected. Not that his replacement will not eventually be corrupted too, unfortunately human nature is what it is.
Gradually we football fans are being priced out of attending matches (QPR’s prices would probably rocket if promoted and stayed up for more than a season or two). |  | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 16:55 - Jul 31 with 1973 views | Dorse |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 15:54 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
38 Degrees are campaigning against FIFA's proposal. There is a petition at the link below. I've signed it.
https://act.38degrees.org.uk/a |
Done. | |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 17:12 - Jul 31 with 1949 views | VancouverHoop |
Excellent letter on this in the Grauniad:
"Right, the Fifa statement. "Nobody is selling football" is technically true, in the way that a Goop candle is technically a candle.
Fifa can't sell itself because it isn't a company. It's an association under Swiss civil law, the same legal box as a hiking club in Appenzell, only with 211 members and a very large trophy. No shares. Nothing to buy. If you turned up in Zurich with four billion dollars asking to purchase a slice, the correct response would be to hand you a membership form and ask whether you fancy doing the teas.
What can be sold is future revenue. The snag is whose revenue it is. Fifa holds those rights on behalf of its member federations, and the member federations are the people currently voting to boycott it. So this isn't a comms problem to be fixed with another fifteen page Instagram post. It's a question of whether the officers of a non-profit can sign away decades of the members' money to private investors while the members stand outside the door shouting no. Gwyneth at least owned the candle.
Anyway. The precedent isn't the Super League. It's ISL, which almost nobody remembers, which is convenient for everybody concerned.
International Sport and Leisure held Fifa's commercial rights from 1982. In February 2001, badly short of cash, ISL raised sixty six million dollars by selling the marketing rights to the 2002 and 2006 World Cups to a company it had set up itself. Read that again slowly. It sold the World Cup to itself. Three months later it went bankrupt in Zug owing around three hundred million, and Blatter wrote to the executive committee to say Fifa's own eventual losses would come in near three hundred and forty million, roughly ten times the number he had been offering in public.
Then the bankruptcy did the one thing Fifa could not survive. It opened the books. The Zug proceedings documented payments running through ISL to football officials right through the nineties, and it took until 2012, plus an order from the Swiss supreme court, to prise out even two of the names: a former Fifa president, and the man who went on to chair the 2014 World Cup organising committee. Everything afterwards, up to and including the dawn raids at the Baur au Lac, ran straight down that seam.
Which brings us to the actual explanation, and it isn't greed. Greed would have been cleverer than this. It's Steven Seagal syndrome. Stand close enough to a man who does things nobody else survives, for long enough, and you start to believe some of it has soaked into you through the skin. Seagal got a Russian passport and a job as a special envoy out of it. Infantino appears to have concluded he can sell the World Cup to a fund run by the brother of the president's son-in-law and then simply keep walking away from the explosion without turning round.
But he has badly misread the thing he was standing next to. Trump's power doesn't come from being right, and not really from being popular in the ordinary sense either. It comes from tens of millions of people who are not listening to the criticism, do not care about the criticism, and get most of their enjoyment from watching the criticism irritate people they already dislike. Outrage isn't a cost to him. Outrage is the product.
Infantino has none of that. There is no Infantino base. Nobody on earth has ever been delighted to see Uefa upset on his behalf. Not one person is going to a match this weekend in a shirt with his name on the back. His power rests instead on something like 211 federation votes, secured with development money, which makes his support transactional rather than tribal. And transactional support has a property that tribal support doesn't. It can be counted, and it can be reversed on a Tuesday afternoon. Worse still, the revenue that funds the grants that buy the votes is precisely the revenue Uefa has just threatened to blow up. He is asking his own electorate to set fire to their own funding as a gesture of loyalty to him.
He isn't Trump. He's a lawyer from Brig who is about to find out that 55 is a bigger number than one Instagram account.
So: the last time Fifa's World Cup revenues were routed through a purpose-built vehicle, the vehicle exploded, and the wreckage produced the biggest corruption case in the history of the sport. Anyone proposing a rerun could reasonably be asked what is different this time. Ideally in fewer pages than last time." | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 17:35 - Jul 31 with 1911 views | KensalT |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 17:12 - Jul 31 by VancouverHoop |
Excellent letter on this in the Grauniad:
"Right, the Fifa statement. "Nobody is selling football" is technically true, in the way that a Goop candle is technically a candle.
Fifa can't sell itself because it isn't a company. It's an association under Swiss civil law, the same legal box as a hiking club in Appenzell, only with 211 members and a very large trophy. No shares. Nothing to buy. If you turned up in Zurich with four billion dollars asking to purchase a slice, the correct response would be to hand you a membership form and ask whether you fancy doing the teas.
What can be sold is future revenue. The snag is whose revenue it is. Fifa holds those rights on behalf of its member federations, and the member federations are the people currently voting to boycott it. So this isn't a comms problem to be fixed with another fifteen page Instagram post. It's a question of whether the officers of a non-profit can sign away decades of the members' money to private investors while the members stand outside the door shouting no. Gwyneth at least owned the candle.
Anyway. The precedent isn't the Super League. It's ISL, which almost nobody remembers, which is convenient for everybody concerned.
International Sport and Leisure held Fifa's commercial rights from 1982. In February 2001, badly short of cash, ISL raised sixty six million dollars by selling the marketing rights to the 2002 and 2006 World Cups to a company it had set up itself. Read that again slowly. It sold the World Cup to itself. Three months later it went bankrupt in Zug owing around three hundred million, and Blatter wrote to the executive committee to say Fifa's own eventual losses would come in near three hundred and forty million, roughly ten times the number he had been offering in public.
Then the bankruptcy did the one thing Fifa could not survive. It opened the books. The Zug proceedings documented payments running through ISL to football officials right through the nineties, and it took until 2012, plus an order from the Swiss supreme court, to prise out even two of the names: a former Fifa president, and the man who went on to chair the 2014 World Cup organising committee. Everything afterwards, up to and including the dawn raids at the Baur au Lac, ran straight down that seam.
Which brings us to the actual explanation, and it isn't greed. Greed would have been cleverer than this. It's Steven Seagal syndrome. Stand close enough to a man who does things nobody else survives, for long enough, and you start to believe some of it has soaked into you through the skin. Seagal got a Russian passport and a job as a special envoy out of it. Infantino appears to have concluded he can sell the World Cup to a fund run by the brother of the president's son-in-law and then simply keep walking away from the explosion without turning round.
But he has badly misread the thing he was standing next to. Trump's power doesn't come from being right, and not really from being popular in the ordinary sense either. It comes from tens of millions of people who are not listening to the criticism, do not care about the criticism, and get most of their enjoyment from watching the criticism irritate people they already dislike. Outrage isn't a cost to him. Outrage is the product.
Infantino has none of that. There is no Infantino base. Nobody on earth has ever been delighted to see Uefa upset on his behalf. Not one person is going to a match this weekend in a shirt with his name on the back. His power rests instead on something like 211 federation votes, secured with development money, which makes his support transactional rather than tribal. And transactional support has a property that tribal support doesn't. It can be counted, and it can be reversed on a Tuesday afternoon. Worse still, the revenue that funds the grants that buy the votes is precisely the revenue Uefa has just threatened to blow up. He is asking his own electorate to set fire to their own funding as a gesture of loyalty to him.
He isn't Trump. He's a lawyer from Brig who is about to find out that 55 is a bigger number than one Instagram account.
So: the last time Fifa's World Cup revenues were routed through a purpose-built vehicle, the vehicle exploded, and the wreckage produced the biggest corruption case in the history of the sport. Anyone proposing a rerun could reasonably be asked what is different this time. Ideally in fewer pages than last time." |
Some good points in there but FIFA doesn't have to sell 'itself'
FIFA owns the World Cup and all the intellectual property associated with it such as the name, format, broadcast rights, etc.
That's probably worth billions.
Not that it can hold that value if all the eligible participants decide not to play.
I do suspect this nonsense was dreamt up by one of the vultures in Trump's entourage rather than Infantino himself. They probably thought that picking off the top man was all they had to do. So maybe there is something in the suggestion that he had spent too long in Trump's shadow and began to believe he could get away with anything if Trump was behind him. |  | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 18:40 - Jul 31 with 1858 views | Mick_S |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 14:29 - Jul 31 by Juzzie |
Infantino should go now, he's clearly been 'Trumped' and blinded by the consequences of what he's done.
Funny thing is, if he does go/get elected out, Trump will totally shun him like he does to everyone else that falls from grace and Infantino will be saying "but... but.... I thought we were friends". |
100%
Trumped and dumped. |  |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 18:53 - Jul 31 with 1832 views | Kensal_Ranger |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 17:12 - Jul 31 by VancouverHoop |
Excellent letter on this in the Grauniad:
"Right, the Fifa statement. "Nobody is selling football" is technically true, in the way that a Goop candle is technically a candle.
Fifa can't sell itself because it isn't a company. It's an association under Swiss civil law, the same legal box as a hiking club in Appenzell, only with 211 members and a very large trophy. No shares. Nothing to buy. If you turned up in Zurich with four billion dollars asking to purchase a slice, the correct response would be to hand you a membership form and ask whether you fancy doing the teas.
What can be sold is future revenue. The snag is whose revenue it is. Fifa holds those rights on behalf of its member federations, and the member federations are the people currently voting to boycott it. So this isn't a comms problem to be fixed with another fifteen page Instagram post. It's a question of whether the officers of a non-profit can sign away decades of the members' money to private investors while the members stand outside the door shouting no. Gwyneth at least owned the candle.
Anyway. The precedent isn't the Super League. It's ISL, which almost nobody remembers, which is convenient for everybody concerned.
International Sport and Leisure held Fifa's commercial rights from 1982. In February 2001, badly short of cash, ISL raised sixty six million dollars by selling the marketing rights to the 2002 and 2006 World Cups to a company it had set up itself. Read that again slowly. It sold the World Cup to itself. Three months later it went bankrupt in Zug owing around three hundred million, and Blatter wrote to the executive committee to say Fifa's own eventual losses would come in near three hundred and forty million, roughly ten times the number he had been offering in public.
Then the bankruptcy did the one thing Fifa could not survive. It opened the books. The Zug proceedings documented payments running through ISL to football officials right through the nineties, and it took until 2012, plus an order from the Swiss supreme court, to prise out even two of the names: a former Fifa president, and the man who went on to chair the 2014 World Cup organising committee. Everything afterwards, up to and including the dawn raids at the Baur au Lac, ran straight down that seam.
Which brings us to the actual explanation, and it isn't greed. Greed would have been cleverer than this. It's Steven Seagal syndrome. Stand close enough to a man who does things nobody else survives, for long enough, and you start to believe some of it has soaked into you through the skin. Seagal got a Russian passport and a job as a special envoy out of it. Infantino appears to have concluded he can sell the World Cup to a fund run by the brother of the president's son-in-law and then simply keep walking away from the explosion without turning round.
But he has badly misread the thing he was standing next to. Trump's power doesn't come from being right, and not really from being popular in the ordinary sense either. It comes from tens of millions of people who are not listening to the criticism, do not care about the criticism, and get most of their enjoyment from watching the criticism irritate people they already dislike. Outrage isn't a cost to him. Outrage is the product.
Infantino has none of that. There is no Infantino base. Nobody on earth has ever been delighted to see Uefa upset on his behalf. Not one person is going to a match this weekend in a shirt with his name on the back. His power rests instead on something like 211 federation votes, secured with development money, which makes his support transactional rather than tribal. And transactional support has a property that tribal support doesn't. It can be counted, and it can be reversed on a Tuesday afternoon. Worse still, the revenue that funds the grants that buy the votes is precisely the revenue Uefa has just threatened to blow up. He is asking his own electorate to set fire to their own funding as a gesture of loyalty to him.
He isn't Trump. He's a lawyer from Brig who is about to find out that 55 is a bigger number than one Instagram account.
So: the last time Fifa's World Cup revenues were routed through a purpose-built vehicle, the vehicle exploded, and the wreckage produced the biggest corruption case in the history of the sport. Anyone proposing a rerun could reasonably be asked what is different this time. Ideally in fewer pages than last time." |
Thanks for sharing, as you say, excellent letter.
I had forgotten about ISL, now dimly remembered.
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 19:27 - Jul 31 with 1787 views | 7374Ranger |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 15:54 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
38 Degrees are campaigning against FIFA's proposal. There is a petition at the link below. I've signed it.
https://act.38degrees.org.uk/a |
Just signed the petition.
I suspect This FIFA plan has Trump’s finger prints all over it. Infantino has become infatuated by Trump and this is all about how rich investors and Kushner can make huge profits in organising and charging extortionate prices for their events and matches.
Infantino has risked his job and hopefully this will be rejected and will not be re-elected. Not that his replacement will not eventually be corrupted too, unfortunately human nature is what it is.
Gradually we football fans are being priced out of attending matches (QPR’s prices would probably rocket if promoted and stayed up for more than a season or two). | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 19:33 - Jul 31 with 1768 views | 7374Ranger |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 15:54 - Jul 31 by R_from_afar |
38 Degrees are campaigning against FIFA's proposal. There is a petition at the link below. I've signed it.
https://act.38degrees.org.uk/a |
Just signed the petition.
I suspect This FIFA plan has Trump’s finger prints all over it. Infantino has become infatuated by Trump and this is all about how rich investors and Kushner can make huge profits in organising and charging extortionate prices for their events and matches.
Infantino has risked his job and hopefully this will be rejected and will not be re-elected. Not that his replacement will not eventually be corrupted too, unfortunately human nature is what it is.
Gradually we football fans are being priced out of attending matches (QPR’s prices would probably rocket if promoted and stayed up for more than a season or two). | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 00:43 - Aug 1 with 1664 views | Juzzie |
The plan is scrapped! He should resign.
Fifa scraps controversial World Cup investment plan https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 07:33 - Aug 1 with 1504 views | QPunkR |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 00:43 - Aug 1 by Juzzie |
The plan is scrapped! He should resign.
Fifa scraps controversial World Cup investment plan https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo |
See, pressure works.
I don't think the man has an ounce of humility and there's no way he'll resign. But his position is surely now untenable and he has to be voted out of office next year. Hopefully the next one in line isn't a megalomaniac | |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 07:41 - Aug 1 with 1495 views | Paddyhoops |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 00:43 - Aug 1 by Juzzie |
The plan is scrapped! He should resign.
Fifa scraps controversial World Cup investment plan https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo |
Did it to save his own sorry ass.
He should do the decent thing and resign.
I somehow doubt he will. | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 08:11 - Aug 1 with 1456 views | QPunkR |
He's a busy boy. A very greedy and busy boy. Even during all this global furore he slipped in a plan yesterday to expand the World Cup to 64 bloody teams, consultation to be concluded by 11 September | |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 08:36 - Aug 1 with 1424 views | dmm |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 08:11 - Aug 1 by QPunkR |
He's a busy boy. A very greedy and busy boy. Even during all this global furore he slipped in a plan yesterday to expand the World Cup to 64 bloody teams, consultation to be concluded by 11 September |
I wonder if this plan of Infantino's is essentially to build more support for himself? Bringing in countries that have less developed football structures would mean they'd be more dependent on FIFA's funding. | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 08:44 - Aug 1 with 1398 views | QPunkR |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 08:36 - Aug 1 by dmm |
I wonder if this plan of Infantino's is essentially to build more support for himself? Bringing in countries that have less developed football structures would mean they'd be more dependent on FIFA's funding. |
Equally I'm sure it was very much tied to the now-failed FFE attempt. A bigger World Cup is an even bigger draw for potential investors.
He must be just a lame duck president now. And MEPs have now demanded that he appear before the European Parliament over the dead plans | |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 09:21 - Aug 1 with 1349 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 08:36 - Jul 31 by QPunkR |
It's not the case mate |
We'll see. Something's going on.
I notice the second deal I speculated about has now appeared, this time it's expanding the World Cup to 64. |  |
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| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 10:25 - Aug 1 with 1247 views | francisbowles |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 09:21 - Aug 1 by BrianMcCarthy |
We'll see. Something's going on.
I notice the second deal I speculated about has now appeared, this time it's expanding the World Cup to 64. |
Considering we are at 48 teams split into 12 groups, with some third place teams qualifying for the first knockout round and with seven matches needed to win the competition.
Would a 64 team world cup be such a bad thing? You would only have group winners and runners up qualifying and any country would still need the same number of matches to win the trophy.
Logistically, it would be more difficult for the organising country, with the additional 16 teams meaning an extra 24 group matches required, but we have already moved to multiple hosts on a few occasions.
If England wants to bid for a future world cup, perhaps it should bid with all the home countries and the Republic of Ireland. There are already, several cities in England as well as Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, maybe Swansea and Wrexham, Dublin, Belfast and there could be others in Ireland too, capable of hosting world cup matches. All within reasonable travel distance too.
It would be our best chance of hosting and probably the only opportunity for the other nations. | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 10:43 - Aug 1 with 1206 views | KensalT |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 10:25 - Aug 1 by francisbowles |
Considering we are at 48 teams split into 12 groups, with some third place teams qualifying for the first knockout round and with seven matches needed to win the competition.
Would a 64 team world cup be such a bad thing? You would only have group winners and runners up qualifying and any country would still need the same number of matches to win the trophy.
Logistically, it would be more difficult for the organising country, with the additional 16 teams meaning an extra 24 group matches required, but we have already moved to multiple hosts on a few occasions.
If England wants to bid for a future world cup, perhaps it should bid with all the home countries and the Republic of Ireland. There are already, several cities in England as well as Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, maybe Swansea and Wrexham, Dublin, Belfast and there could be others in Ireland too, capable of hosting world cup matches. All within reasonable travel distance too.
It would be our best chance of hosting and probably the only opportunity for the other nations. |
Logistically I don't think there are many countries that can accommodate a tournament that size on their own.
I don't know what the regs are but stadiums need to have a certain capacity and also there's a minimum pitch size. So somewhere like Anfield doesn't have a big enough pitch for these tournaments.
If we do get expansion to 64 teams I think we will probably see more joint bids with tournaments shared across two or three countries. | | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 11:09 - Aug 1 with 1166 views | W4Hoop |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 10:43 - Aug 1 by KensalT |
Logistically I don't think there are many countries that can accommodate a tournament that size on their own.
I don't know what the regs are but stadiums need to have a certain capacity and also there's a minimum pitch size. So somewhere like Anfield doesn't have a big enough pitch for these tournaments.
If we do get expansion to 64 teams I think we will probably see more joint bids with tournaments shared across two or three countries. |
If we can introduce 4 quarters with "hydration" breaks we can adjust pitch sizes to allow Anfield in. Also, the fourth largest stadium in Europe is in Dublin. |  | | |
| More money...more, more, give me more.... the ever increasing greed in football on 11:56 - Aug 1 with 1117 views | QPunkR |
UEFA posted a poorly-written follow up statement this morning basically declaring a loss of faith in Infantino. The end could be close for this clown with any luck! | |
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