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Their defence said that their actions weren't racially motivated. So presumably singing 'we're racist and that's the way we like it' is simply how they make friends.
'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 12:12 - Jul 22 with 3809 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 12:01 - Jul 22 by Watford_Ranger
I don't mean to sympathise with them at all but how is this a football crime exactly if it didn't happen in a stadium or close to it?
By all means punish them for the crime of racially abusing someone but I think it's a dangerous precedent.
Perhaps the judge felt that, as they were attending a football match that their repeated racist behaviour would be likely to be repeated while attending other games
Dangerous precedent or not, anything that removes racist scum fans from attending football matches is fine in my eyes
Racism exists in football though the in the UK there are campaigns such as "Kick Racism out of Football". As someone who used to go to games from the 1980s when the NF were selling newspapers outside their ground I have always despised clubs such as Chelsea who have always had a larger minority of racist fans. This case will have worldwide prominence due the massive presence of the Premier League in world football and I feel the ban was not sufficient in sending a message out to would be hooligans.
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 12:29 - Jul 22 with 3745 views
Why has this come to court in England when it happened in france ? what I don't get is you can walk down a London street with your toddler carrying a flag of ISIS and fcuk all happens to you , yet a load of p*ssed up bullies who happen to be football fans get banned from football for 5 years I wonder if our ISIS supporting friend gets banned from his mosque for 5 years I think we know the answer
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 13:08 - Jul 22 with 3659 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 12:29 - Jul 22 by paulparker
Why has this come to court in England when it happened in france ? what I don't get is you can walk down a London street with your toddler carrying a flag of ISIS and fcuk all happens to you , yet a load of p*ssed up bullies who happen to be football fans get banned from football for 5 years I wonder if our ISIS supporting friend gets banned from his mosque for 5 years I think we know the answer
Well? Come on, don't keep us in suspense!
'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 13:25 - Jul 22 with 3612 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 12:29 - Jul 22 by paulparker
Why has this come to court in England when it happened in france ? what I don't get is you can walk down a London street with your toddler carrying a flag of ISIS and fcuk all happens to you , yet a load of p*ssed up bullies who happen to be football fans get banned from football for 5 years I wonder if our ISIS supporting friend gets banned from his mosque for 5 years I think we know the answer
Are you not concluding that someone who is favour of the ISIS is therefore a supporter of the actions? It is a bit like saying people who support Sinn Fein, the Provos political wing, support the actions of the psychopaths who kill and maim in the name of the IRA and therefore should be dealt with in some way.
These racist thugs, and I am mindful and ashamed that one is an ex RUC officer, choose to extol their views under the guise of supporting a football team. One with a despicable history of racism running through its club and fans. They should be banned from opportunities of hiding behind a crowd to air their vile racist bias... either under the guise of a Chelsea supporter or of any club, or country
If they had been doing this with our club's colours, I would have felt no different
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 13:25 - Jul 22 by GetMeRangers
Are you not concluding that someone who is favour of the ISIS is therefore a supporter of the actions? It is a bit like saying people who support Sinn Fein, the Provos political wing, support the actions of the psychopaths who kill and maim in the name of the IRA and therefore should be dealt with in some way.
These racist thugs, and I am mindful and ashamed that one is an ex RUC officer, choose to extol their views under the guise of supporting a football team. One with a despicable history of racism running through its club and fans. They should be banned from opportunities of hiding behind a crowd to air their vile racist bias... either under the guise of a Chelsea supporter or of any club, or country
If they had been doing this with our club's colours, I would have felt no different
ok then lets say im on my way to the theatre for the evening, I have a couple of drinks and start abusing someone from a different background to me does that mean im banned from the theatre for 5 years ?? im not condoning the Chelsea fans behaviour I hate bullying of any kind but why do football fans have different laws against them ? especially when the incident happened to a French national in france, surely its down to French authorities to take the matter further
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 14:43 - Jul 22 with 3526 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 14:38 - Jul 22 by paulparker
ok then lets say im on my way to the theatre for the evening, I have a couple of drinks and start abusing someone from a different background to me does that mean im banned from the theatre for 5 years ?? im not condoning the Chelsea fans behaviour I hate bullying of any kind but why do football fans have different laws against them ? especially when the incident happened to a French national in france, surely its down to French authorities to take the matter further
That's an excellent point, Paul, in fairness.
Mind you, Chelsea fans should be banned for life just for being, well, Chelsea fans.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 14:38 - Jul 22 by paulparker
ok then lets say im on my way to the theatre for the evening, I have a couple of drinks and start abusing someone from a different background to me does that mean im banned from the theatre for 5 years ?? im not condoning the Chelsea fans behaviour I hate bullying of any kind but why do football fans have different laws against them ? especially when the incident happened to a French national in france, surely its down to French authorities to take the matter further
Ridiculous point.
They are football fans following their team like it or not that means they are representing that club and their country to some degree. They are there for the sole purpose of watching Chelsea and all the antisocial behaviour that "going to football" brings i.e getting on the piss with your mates.
Would they have racially abused a man if not for the pack animal behaviour that the purpose for their being there contributed to? 99% no. Wouldn't have entered their mindset.
Banning them for 5 years from something they clearly have a massive affection for will be a huge blow to them individually. Right punishment IMO.
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 15:00 - Jul 22 with 3481 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 14:54 - Jul 22 by Toast_R
Ridiculous point.
They are football fans following their team like it or not that means they are representing that club and their country to some degree. They are there for the sole purpose of watching Chelsea and all the antisocial behaviour that "going to football" brings i.e getting on the piss with your mates.
Would they have racially abused a man if not for the pack animal behaviour that the purpose for their being there contributed to? 99% no. Wouldn't have entered their mindset.
Banning them for 5 years from something they clearly have a massive affection for will be a huge blow to them individually. Right punishment IMO.
how's it ridiculous that its a different law for the football fans
what about the incidents where people on the train have abused fellow passengers and have been caught on video phones what's happened to them ?? and what if they were on the way back from sainsburys are they still not representing there country ? and why haven't they been banned from shopping for 5 years , you cant have one rule for one and another rule because they are football fans
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 15:36 - Jul 22 with 3447 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 15:00 - Jul 22 by paulparker
how's it ridiculous that its a different law for the football fans
what about the incidents where people on the train have abused fellow passengers and have been caught on video phones what's happened to them ?? and what if they were on the way back from sainsburys are they still not representing there country ? and why haven't they been banned from shopping for 5 years , you cant have one rule for one and another rule because they are football fans
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 14:54 - Jul 22 by Toast_R
Ridiculous point.
They are football fans following their team like it or not that means they are representing that club and their country to some degree. They are there for the sole purpose of watching Chelsea and all the antisocial behaviour that "going to football" brings i.e getting on the piss with your mates.
Would they have racially abused a man if not for the pack animal behaviour that the purpose for their being there contributed to? 99% no. Wouldn't have entered their mindset.
Banning them for 5 years from something they clearly have a massive affection for will be a huge blow to them individually. Right punishment IMO.
They are football fans following their team ?
How did they know that at the time ?
As far as i saw they were a bunch of pissed up lads with no football colours pushing a black man off a train and singing they were racist and proud of it, that is what they were arrested for. It came out after that they were scum fans but they could just as well been office workers in suits. The crime was racism.
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 15:41 - Jul 22 with 3437 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 15:41 - Jul 22 by Bluce_Ree
The crime should be supporting Chelsea and should be punishable by death.
Agreed.
I do think Mr Parker raises an interesting bit of devil's advocacy there, but it is a different situation to Sainsbury's or the theatre.
For example, if these 4 lovables were members of Putney High St Sainsbury's Shopper Club (which I am) and got caught doing this then PHSSSC would have a right to say "We don't like what we saw there and we don't want you being in our esteemed Shoppers Club" - please return your ID card and the 500 plastic bags. And they might even have the ability to do that written into their membership regulations.
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 16:21 - Jul 22 with 3368 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 12:13 - Jul 22 by GetMeRangers
Perhaps the judge felt that, as they were attending a football match that their repeated racist behaviour would be likely to be repeated while attending other games
Dangerous precedent or not, anything that removes racist scum fans from attending football matches is fine in my eyes
So if you have a drink and own a car then you should be banned from driving because you may go on to drive that car, having had a drink. Or should every member of the BNP be the subject of banning orders, because they may take and express their racist views into a football ground. As the first post says, this is not a football mater, but a criminal one and should have been delt with accordingly
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 16:32 - Jul 22 with 3340 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 15:37 - Jul 22 by QPR1882
They are football fans following their team ?
How did they know that at the time ?
As far as i saw they were a bunch of pissed up lads with no football colours pushing a black man off a train and singing they were racist and proud of it, that is what they were arrested for. It came out after that they were scum fans but they could just as well been office workers in suits. The crime was racism.
Err they were traveling to the match in Paris with God knows how many other Chelsea fans on the same train the night Chelsea were playing Paris. Don't take Perry Mason to figure out they were football fans.
Defending these c*nts is ridiculous.
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 17:00 - Jul 22 with 3286 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 16:32 - Jul 22 by Toast_R
Err they were traveling to the match in Paris with God knows how many other Chelsea fans on the same train the night Chelsea were playing Paris. Don't take Perry Mason to figure out they were football fans.
Defending these c*nts is ridiculous.
I get a train from Clapham junction to westfield on match days. The train is full of Scum fans and QPR fans going to football and it is also full of shoppers going to westfield. Perry Mason could tell everyone apart if they were not wearing colours could he ?
Just because you are a bunch of pissed up guys it does not make you all football fans.
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 17:19 - Jul 22 with 3247 views
Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 17:00 - Jul 22 by QPR1882
I get a train from Clapham junction to westfield on match days. The train is full of Scum fans and QPR fans going to football and it is also full of shoppers going to westfield. Perry Mason could tell everyone apart if they were not wearing colours could he ?
Just because you are a bunch of pissed up guys it does not make you all football fans.
I think Perry could actually. Groups of English speaking men on the piss rarely travel to Paris for the Moulin Rouge.
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 17:48 - Jul 22 with 3191 views
A mate of mine got a three year banning order because he had a scuffle in Shepherd's Bush one Saturday night after we'd played Chelsea.
The fight/handbags had absolutely bugger all to to with the football, but because he had his season tkt on him, and had been to the game hours earlier the police charged him with a football related offence. It's bollox!
P's, I'm not condoning the actions of these morons, but surely they should have stood trial in France?
Have a flimsy ruck with someone 10pm in West End and you'd be unlucky to even get chucked in the van or charged Do that in W12 on match day and you could be looking at 3 years bird and a 5 year ban We fans have been prejudiced against for years
Feels a bit hideous sort of using these chelscum goons as an example of injustice though
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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Scum fans should have received life time bans. on 20:36 - Jul 22 with 3032 views
Anyone else remember 'Poems on the Underground' in the late 1980's? There was a Milton poem defaced by someone writing 'Bollx' through it....clearly a gang of unruly pished up Byron supporters on the rampage the previous weekend. Dark days they were.
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