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Hard to really find much wrong with what Warbs said there. Interesting that he said we are trying to score a perfect goal and walk it in. Happy he said that because it shows that his instructions are - just f*cking stick it in the f*cking net. We are better at the back for sure so far bar two sloppy fouls on Wednesday.
For me the fact that the back line is generally a bit less leaky is a positive. People seem to forget that up front we have Bonne and Dykes who firstly hadn't even trained together and will hopefully find a partnership plus it is two players stepping up a level rather than Wells and Hugill coming down a level. That will take time but I think they will both get there. Albert, as MW said hasn't played a huge amount of football. We have a back 4 (5 with Dieng) that apart from a handful of games has only Barbet as a regular from most of last season. We've lost Eze, lost Manning (let's not start that one again), lost Amos, haven't had Thomas fit yet and a new front 2, plus Willock is also very new. Chair is a bit off form so far, Carroll, possibly the only natural playmaker is injured, BOS isn't quite at 100%. We obviously need to unearth or find another playmaker when and as.
Overall this team needs time to bed in and gel. It's a very different team to the one we had before the last 9 games of last season. 7 games, not a lot of points, not a lot of goals, not not a lot of goals against and a few clean sheets. Hopefully they can go and break a bit of a hoodoo at Barnsley and see what they can get.
It worries me he agrees we were lacklustre for a whole half, and doesn't seem to know why. The interview is otherwise OK, I guess, but just OK - he talks up the defensive positives, stresses the fine margins, and reprises his usual 'look after the players' - all very professional. Not sure why it was that London failed to press him on the shots on target issue for the second successive home game - while there may have been a number of instances of 'getting into good areas', we still only had one shot on goal, so it would have been difficult to score a maxium of one goal as a result by my calculations.
Clearly, at this stage, the jury is out on the likes of Dykes and Bonne, but, Wallace notwithstanding, while we've seemingly steadied the ship at the back (a big part of which is down to the installation of Dieng in my view), we seem to be a shadow of the effervescent attacking outfit of last season, post-Eze. It'll be really disappointing if his departure proves to be Chair's undoing rather than unshackling, though the early signs aren't looking as promising as I'd hoped, and it doesn't help that he doesn't seem to have been consistently deployed.
In sum, it's been a mostly mediocre start for me - four draws out of six, six scored, seven conceded - so a lot depends on the potential for improvement we see as fans through these depressing, demotivating Covid streams. Right now, have a guess where we stand in the table (clue - somewhere between 15th and 17th)! Warburton says it's still early, but we're coming up to 20% of games played, so one way or another this side - I know we have a number of new players and an evolving system to bed in - does need to be hitting its stride sooner rather than later. Whether we'll have enough quality from front to back remains to be seen.
Feel that players we expected more from have not made that step up. Felt BOS and Chair were going up blind alleys and Ball and Cameron have gone backward and we don't talk about Wallace.
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Gaffer on today's draw on 22:54 - Oct 24 with 2188 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 22:41 - Oct 24 by DavieQPR
Feel that players we expected more from have not made that step up. Felt BOS and Chair were going up blind alleys and Ball and Cameron have gone backward and we don't talk about Wallace.
I can't disagree much but BOS and Chair were slow starters last year too. Ball was a bit of a surprise last season. You weren't pinning you're hopes on Cameron and Wallace I hope?
Bit rich to say "we're trying to walk it in' and 'find the perfect goal" when his main instruction is don't shoot from distance as it's a waste of time?
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Gaffer on today's draw on 23:44 - Oct 24 with 2096 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 23:16 - Oct 24 by ozexile
Bit rich to say "we're trying to walk it in' and 'find the perfect goal" when his main instruction is don't shoot from distance as it's a waste of time?
I can't believe that's true I'm afraid. What I can believe is a manager saying that slow possession around the box, and with a well structured defence, then yes punting in 30 yarders is a waste of time. For me Warburton is all about quick play and keeping the ball moving, if that happens then a shot from distance is good, an early cross into a defence still turning is good, breaking the defensive lines is good but doing that and checking back spoils it, sometimes just crack on and finish the move. What he says makes sense to me
It worries me he agrees we were lacklustre for a whole half, and doesn't seem to know why. The interview is otherwise OK, I guess, but just OK - he talks up the defensive positives, stresses the fine margins, and reprises his usual 'look after the players' - all very professional. Not sure why it was that London failed to press him on the shots on target issue for the second successive home game - while there may have been a number of instances of 'getting into good areas', we still only had one shot on goal, so it would have been difficult to score a maxium of one goal as a result by my calculations.
Clearly, at this stage, the jury is out on the likes of Dykes and Bonne, but, Wallace notwithstanding, while we've seemingly steadied the ship at the back (a big part of which is down to the installation of Dieng in my view), we seem to be a shadow of the effervescent attacking outfit of last season, post-Eze. It'll be really disappointing if his departure proves to be Chair's undoing rather than unshackling, though the early signs aren't looking as promising as I'd hoped, and it doesn't help that he doesn't seem to have been consistently deployed.
In sum, it's been a mostly mediocre start for me - four draws out of six, six scored, seven conceded - so a lot depends on the potential for improvement we see as fans through these depressing, demotivating Covid streams. Right now, have a guess where we stand in the table (clue - somewhere between 15th and 17th)! Warburton says it's still early, but we're coming up to 20% of games played, so one way or another this side - I know we have a number of new players and an evolving system to bed in - does need to be hitting its stride sooner rather than later. Whether we'll have enough quality from front to back remains to be seen.
[Post edited 24 Oct 2020 22:18]
post Eze, Hugill and wells.
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Gaffer on today's draw on 23:54 - Oct 24 with 2079 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 22:30 - Oct 24 by stevec
Must admit, understood and prepared we intended to find young players, bring them along, sell and build.
What I didn’t realise is that when that worked and we got a tidy £20 million in, we’d use it to build a worse team.
The thing is will we get a tidy sum for selling on these players , I can’t see it To get top dollar for championship players you need to be in the top six , there are some exceptions Bowen at Hull , but by and large you need to be a side challenging Swansea, Brentford, Bristol City have all sold their brightest for big money by constantly being up there Being sixteenth year in year out does not get you massive transfer returns
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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Gaffer on today's draw on 08:51 - Oct 25 with 1822 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 08:25 - Oct 25 by paulparker
The thing is will we get a tidy sum for selling on these players , I can’t see it To get top dollar for championship players you need to be in the top six , there are some exceptions Bowen at Hull , but by and large you need to be a side challenging Swansea, Brentford, Bristol City have all sold their brightest for big money by constantly being up there Being sixteenth year in year out does not get you massive transfer returns
Do agree.
I’m concerned the club may becoming sidetracked by their success with Eze, applying a scatter gun approach to relatively cheap transfers in the hope they hit the spot with one of them. Truth is, there’s a possibility they may have done that again with Dickie, fair play if they have.
The problem arises that if you then fail to invest some of that in proven performers, you run the risk of honing the club on finding outstanding individuals rather than a fully functioning team.
As you say, six consecutive seasons in the bottom half (is there another side in the Championship who’ve pulled that record off?) is not conducive to high sell on fees. We needed to make the most of Eze fee but it’s looking like we’ve got a side that’s inexperienced whilst having shed all its seasoned pros leaving Cameron having to fill the void 3 times a week.
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Gaffer on today's draw on 08:52 - Oct 25 with 1823 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 08:25 - Oct 25 by paulparker
The thing is will we get a tidy sum for selling on these players , I can’t see it To get top dollar for championship players you need to be in the top six , there are some exceptions Bowen at Hull , but by and large you need to be a side challenging Swansea, Brentford, Bristol City have all sold their brightest for big money by constantly being up there Being sixteenth year in year out does not get you massive transfer returns
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Gaffer on today's draw on 08:56 - Oct 25 with 1810 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 08:51 - Oct 25 by stevec
Do agree.
I’m concerned the club may becoming sidetracked by their success with Eze, applying a scatter gun approach to relatively cheap transfers in the hope they hit the spot with one of them. Truth is, there’s a possibility they may have done that again with Dickie, fair play if they have.
The problem arises that if you then fail to invest some of that in proven performers, you run the risk of honing the club on finding outstanding individuals rather than a fully functioning team.
As you say, six consecutive seasons in the bottom half (is there another side in the Championship who’ve pulled that record off?) is not conducive to high sell on fees. We needed to make the most of Eze fee but it’s looking like we’ve got a side that’s inexperienced whilst having shed all its seasoned pros leaving Cameron having to fill the void 3 times a week.
Adomah, Wallace, Cameron, Carroll are all 'proven' performers'
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Gaffer on today's draw on 09:01 - Oct 25 with 1791 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 08:56 - Oct 25 by PinnerPaul
Adomah, Wallace, Cameron, Carroll are all 'proven' performers'
Adomah felt like a bit of an afterthought when the club looked at its likely first team, of which most probably wouldn’t put Wallace or Carroll in that particular category.
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Gaffer on today's draw on 09:24 - Oct 25 with 1746 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 08:52 - Oct 25 by PinnerPaul
Sooooooo buy a player better than Eze for less money than we sold him for - yeah that's nice and easy!
Yes this. And buy a player as good as Nahki Wells and Jordan Hughill for less money than clubs paid for them and on reasonable wages. Oh and young enough for a sell on value. But meanwhile we also need to shore up our defence, so buy a seasoned defender for peanuts who's going to be better than Grant Hall, is prepared to be on less cash, and also young enough to not got injured/be able to stay in the team for a few years.
Oh and we must make sure that all the new players that come in have been playing regularly for their clubs, so that they're super-match fit and they also need to slot into the team as if they've all been playing together for years.
Honestly, some of our fans just don't get the concept of building over time. Yes, we could do the Notts Forest/Reading/Derby go for broke supermarket sweep. But it's extremely unlikely that they'll all go up, they've all already sold their grounds to themselves so can't repeat that trick, so I can't see they won't be stuffed if they don't go up this season.
This is a perfect season to rebuild. Wycombe are already preparing for next season in division one or they should be. Sheffield Wednesday will perform a miracle if they stay up, needing two more wins just to be on two points, 1.4 points on average to reach safety. We need 1.1. So chances are, we only have to be better than one other team. Yeah we want to be better than survival. But we've lost our best player and have another good player with an ACL injury. We need to do better but we often just need one decent match to get us out of the hole.
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Gaffer on today's draw on 09:32 - Oct 25 with 1736 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 08:25 - Oct 25 by paulparker
The thing is will we get a tidy sum for selling on these players , I can’t see it To get top dollar for championship players you need to be in the top six , there are some exceptions Bowen at Hull , but by and large you need to be a side challenging Swansea, Brentford, Bristol City have all sold their brightest for big money by constantly being up there Being sixteenth year in year out does not get you massive transfer returns
The thing is with this buy low, sell high strategy, to be successful you need a lot of ingredients and for all of them to be working perfectly and in harmony: - you need exceptional recruitment capable of spotting underrated undeveloped talent anywhere. If someone is doing that part better, they will get the better prospects, naturally limiting the potential returns. - you need coaching capable of bringing that talent out relatively quickly - you need a first team structure that provides a clear, direct pathway - you need the financial infrastructure to provide the opportunity to extract mamimum transfer fees - ultimately, you need someone capable taking advantage of all of that in actually extracting those maximum transfer fees.
In other words, you can’t just decide after years of trying different strategies that this is the latest flavour of the month and expect it to work without getting everything right.
IMO we have some of these things in place, but we’re a long way away in others.
He has the squad but is a bit slow in making changes too the starting 11 or in game, on Wednesday, it was plain too see Preston were in control and should have changed it at half time.
If he can rest TC sighting lack of game time over the last year as the reason then, playing Wallace for 3 games in a week makes zero sense, Wallace should have been rested midweek and Cameron yesterday.
He is fixated on Wallace and Cameron, rest the old gits, lol.
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Gaffer on today's draw on 10:12 - Oct 25 with 1653 views
I agree he's been slow to make changed in the last two games. Yesterday it seemed obvious that our formation led to us being overrun in centrefield but we changed nothing for 65 minutes.
Maybe I'm a bit blinded on this one as I tend to think that winning centrefield is paramount, so I could be wrong. But that's how I saw it.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Gaffer on today's draw on 09:01 - Oct 25 by stevec
Adomah felt like a bit of an afterthought when the club looked at its likely first team, of which most probably wouldn’t put Wallace or Carroll in that particular category.
????? Carroll has player over 150 games with a chunk in the PL, he's 28 - so not sure what else you are calling him?
Same with Wallace (31), you can argue about his standard/abilities but again he IS a proven performer
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Gaffer on today's draw on 10:32 - Oct 25 with 1617 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 23:16 - Oct 24 by ozexile
Bit rich to say "we're trying to walk it in' and 'find the perfect goal" when his main instruction is don't shoot from distance as it's a waste of time?
Yeh, that's his instruction. His exact words I think.
Bare bones.
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Gaffer on today's draw on 10:38 - Oct 25 with 1597 views
Gaffer on today's draw on 08:54 - Oct 25 by PinnerPaul
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 13th last year, 16th only once EVER zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Perhaps you’re being rather literal? It would be a bit tedious listing our last five years’ standings every time someone wanted to make a point about league position.
Gaffer on today's draw on 10:38 - Oct 25 by DejR_vu
Perhaps you’re being rather literal? It would be a bit tedious listing our last five years’ standings every time someone wanted to make a point about league position.
No more tedious than saying we always finish 16th when we don't.
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