| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread 07:33 - Jul 2 with 12354 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 09:31 - Jul 2 with 2511 views | W7Ranger |
Well it was it was fun while it lasted I suppose... |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 09:53 - Jul 2 with 2486 views | 80s_Boy |
Wish we were playing Sweden who we know well and wouldn't have the complete unknown factor Ukraine come with.
Think we'll win but it could be very tight and I think we may have to come from behind to do so. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:03 - Jul 2 with 2470 views | rsonist |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 09:53 - Jul 2 by 80s_Boy |
Wish we were playing Sweden who we know well and wouldn't have the complete unknown factor Ukraine come with.
Think we'll win but it could be very tight and I think we may have to come from behind to do so. |
Unconfirmed reports say Ukraine will open a McDonalds and wear blue jeans if they win. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:16 - Jul 2 with 2441 views | bosh67 |
I don't think the officials being German is a problem. The reffing (so far) has been almost immaculate. Ukraine are a big physical team and they will press and push hard. This is not going to be easy. That said we should have enough to get through it if we don't lose concentration or move the ball too slowly. I'm going a nervous 2-1 to us. |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:24 - Jul 2 with 2416 views | Jigsore |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 09:53 - Jul 2 by 80s_Boy |
Wish we were playing Sweden who we know well and wouldn't have the complete unknown factor Ukraine come with.
Think we'll win but it could be very tight and I think we may have to come from behind to do so. |
funny old game isn't it, I was dreading Sweden who're far more solid as a unit than Ukraine. A game versus them without an early goal would be like pulling teeth and Isak looked very lively up front for them
Ukraine have some gifted players for sure but I reckon they'll melt |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:38 - Jul 2 with 2379 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:24 - Jul 2 by Jigsore |
funny old game isn't it, I was dreading Sweden who're far more solid as a unit than Ukraine. A game versus them without an early goal would be like pulling teeth and Isak looked very lively up front for them
Ukraine have some gifted players for sure but I reckon they'll melt |
For me it was the fact that we played and beat them in the last tournament and history has a habit of sides having a hoodoo over others at tournaments played not too far apart: such as us losing to Germany in 70+72 and 90 + 96, Portugal in 2004 + 2006, Denmark's bizarre inability to beat an average Spanish side in 84 + 86 and France twice to West Germany in 82 + 86 for example.
Sweden would have entered the match with some nagging doubts and we would have entered it already knowing we could beat them at this stage of a tournament. [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 10:46]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:51 - Jul 2 with 2316 views | SimplyNico |
I am surprised at this. Ukraine are a lucky third place qualifier, bang average, and were up against a bang average Sweden team who were down to 10 men, with both sides seemingly waiting for penalties.
Historically, they never progress far in a competition.
But what do I know? Watch them turn into Iceland. And us into England. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:53 - Jul 2 with 2296 views | Boston |
3-1 England win for me. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:56 - Jul 2 with 2278 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:51 - Jul 2 by SimplyNico |
I am surprised at this. Ukraine are a lucky third place qualifier, bang average, and were up against a bang average Sweden team who were down to 10 men, with both sides seemingly waiting for penalties.
Historically, they never progress far in a competition.
But what do I know? Watch them turn into Iceland. And us into England. |
"Historically, they never progress far in a competition."
Neither do we!
Tuesday was the first time in history we'd won a knock out match in the European Championships! The sole time we ever went more than 1 game further after the group stage it was on penalties! | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 11:08 - Jul 2 with 2249 views | RBlock |
England to win to nil, 1-0 or 2-0. Another assured performance from the lads. Might not be exhilarating, but will be controlled. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 11:08 - Jul 2 with 2247 views | SimplyNico |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 10:56 - Jul 2 by 80s_Boy |
"Historically, they never progress far in a competition."
Neither do we!
Tuesday was the first time in history we'd won a knock out match in the European Championships! The sole time we ever went more than 1 game further after the group stage it was on penalties! |
Not entirely correct.
England's best performances at the finals was a third-place finish in 1968 (albeit only four teams competed in the finals). We also had the semi-final in 1996. Further, we reached the quarter-finals on two other occasions, in 2004 and 2012. We went out in round of 16 to Iceland in 2016. You are possibly referring to the four occasions (1980, 1988, 1992 and 2000), when did not progress beyond the group stage.
At a World Cup level, no contest. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 11:43 - Jul 2 with 2168 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 11:08 - Jul 2 by SimplyNico |
Not entirely correct.
England's best performances at the finals was a third-place finish in 1968 (albeit only four teams competed in the finals). We also had the semi-final in 1996. Further, we reached the quarter-finals on two other occasions, in 2004 and 2012. We went out in round of 16 to Iceland in 2016. You are possibly referring to the four occasions (1980, 1988, 1992 and 2000), when did not progress beyond the group stage.
At a World Cup level, no contest. |
oooo, pedant time!
In 1968 it was two-legged matches until the final stage so Yugoslavia was our first one-off knock out match.
In 1996 we drew with Spain and progressed via penalties but they are not included as an official match result and only used to decide progression.
In 2004 and 2012 there wasn't a 2nd round match so we went straight from the group stage to qtrs.
Germany was the first time we'd won a straight knock out match in European Championships history. [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 11:44]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 11:53 - Jul 2 with 2129 views | SimplyNico |
We are talking at crossed purposes. You said we never progress far in a competition. I think a third place, a semi and two QFs at the Euros suggests otherwise. Further, as "competitions" rather than "Euros" was my initial reference point, i note there is no comment on the WC (notably, SF last time out with the same manager). As I said, not entirely correct, rather than wrong. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:09 - Jul 2 with 2098 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 11:53 - Jul 2 by SimplyNico |
We are talking at crossed purposes. You said we never progress far in a competition. I think a third place, a semi and two QFs at the Euros suggests otherwise. Further, as "competitions" rather than "Euros" was my initial reference point, i note there is no comment on the WC (notably, SF last time out with the same manager). As I said, not entirely correct, rather than wrong. |
World cups?
Since 66.
1970: QTR (didn't win knock out game)
1974: DNQ
1978: DNQ
1982: 2nd Stage never lost a match but didn't win any knock out matches either
1986: QTR (Beat Paraguay in knock out match)
1990: Semis (Beat Belguim and Cameroon in knock out matches)
1994: DNQ
1998: 2nd round (didn't win any knock out game)
2002: QTR (beat Denmark in knock out match)
2006: QTR: (beat Ecuador in knock out match)
2010: 2nd Round (did not win any knock out match)
2014: Group stages
2018: Semis (beat Sweden in knock out match)
My thought? Pretty decent in group stages when we qualify but rely on facing average sides to progress in knock out matches. Hardly World Beaters and we haven't got amazing pedigree. [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 12:12]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:10 - Jul 2 with 2094 views | daveB |
I'm more nervous about this one than I was the German game, has a similar air to the Scotland game plus talk of resting players due to being a booking away from suspension.
I think we'll win but I feel sick with nerves |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:11 - Jul 2 with 2089 views | SimplyNico |
Fab.
And how does that stack up against Ukraine? | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:14 - Jul 2 with 2079 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:11 - Jul 2 by SimplyNico |
Fab.
And how does that stack up against Ukraine? |
I haven't polished my crystal ball today so can't tell ;-)
If we win it shows that we're having an unprecedented European Championships.
If we lose it adds the German game to a list of exactly 1 where we have beaten a top nation in a knock-out match since 1966. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:21 - Jul 2 with 2065 views | daveB |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:09 - Jul 2 by 80s_Boy |
World cups?
Since 66.
1970: QTR (didn't win knock out game)
1974: DNQ
1978: DNQ
1982: 2nd Stage never lost a match but didn't win any knock out matches either
1986: QTR (Beat Paraguay in knock out match)
1990: Semis (Beat Belguim and Cameroon in knock out matches)
1994: DNQ
1998: 2nd round (didn't win any knock out game)
2002: QTR (beat Denmark in knock out match)
2006: QTR: (beat Ecuador in knock out match)
2010: 2nd Round (did not win any knock out match)
2014: Group stages
2018: Semis (beat Sweden in knock out match)
My thought? Pretty decent in group stages when we qualify but rely on facing average sides to progress in knock out matches. Hardly World Beaters and we haven't got amazing pedigree. [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 12:12]
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think I'm right in saying Germany are the only big nation we've ever beaten in a knockout game. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:34 - Jul 2 with 2037 views | Rs_Holy |
2-1 to England AET |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:49 - Jul 2 with 2012 views | Rangersw12 |
I'm really nervous again and my main concern is that Ukraine will put 11 people behind the ball and play for the lottery of pens
Hopefully we can get an early goal to settle things down. Fingers crossed 2 - 0 win | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:49 - Jul 2 with 2011 views | Silverfoxqpr |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:28 - Jul 2 by 80s_Boy |
In '66 we beat Argentina, Portugal and Germany who were all considered among the best in the World at the time but before and since nothing! (apart from Tuesday, of course  ) [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 12:29]
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Probably easier to do this:
Knockout wins since 1966, World Cup AND Euros is as follows:
Paraguay (1986), Belgium (1990), Cameroon (1990), Spain (1996), Denmark (2002), Ecuador (2006), Colombia (2018), Sweden (2018) and Germany (2021).
Those last three make the record look a whole lot better, prior to that it was just SIX knockout wins in over 50 years. Sir Gareth it shall be! |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 13:00 - Jul 2 with 1973 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:49 - Jul 2 by Silverfoxqpr |
Probably easier to do this:
Knockout wins since 1966, World Cup AND Euros is as follows:
Paraguay (1986), Belgium (1990), Cameroon (1990), Spain (1996), Denmark (2002), Ecuador (2006), Colombia (2018), Sweden (2018) and Germany (2021).
Those last three make the record look a whole lot better, prior to that it was just SIX knockout wins in over 50 years. Sir Gareth it shall be! |
The fact that Spain and Columbia were both draws brings it down to 5 since 1966 before GS took over since 1966 so to have 2 INCLUDING one against Germany ( ) is something he should be applauded for!
Last 3 years have been great times to be an England fan and I honestly thought I'd never be saying that with him in charge  | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 13:02 - Jul 2 with 1963 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Ukraine 🇺🇦 Match Thread on 12:49 - Jul 2 by Rangersw12 |
I'm really nervous again and my main concern is that Ukraine will put 11 people behind the ball and play for the lottery of pens
Hopefully we can get an early goal to settle things down. Fingers crossed 2 - 0 win |
Would now be a good time to point out that we've won our last 2 penalty shootouts?
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