| Willock 21:11 - Feb 17 with 9882 views | extratimeR |
Made a difference again, loves to run with the ball in front of him, defenders backing off, really worried after first half but they guess what they "Bottled it,"
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| Willock on 00:44 - Feb 18 with 2326 views | distortR |
| Willock on 00:34 - Feb 18 by DavieQPR |
MW seems to like him to come on when opposition legs and minds are tiring. |
that's my feeling, he has been really effective coming on as a sub.
He is making visible progress as others have noted, MW and his team certainly have the ability to improve players, credit to them and the players themselves - it's not always easy to listen. | | | |
| Willock on 01:18 - Feb 18 with 2261 views | LythamR |
I would like to see him get a couple of starts in place of Chair who i think needs a bit of a recharge, I am not sure that we can play Chair and Willock from the start while playing the current formation. Much as I like chair I would like to see if Willock could feed Dykes and Austin more effectively, He plays with his head up, sees a pass and releases the ball early. |  | | |
| Willock on 01:25 - Feb 18 with 2254 views | simmo |
| Willock on 21:25 - Feb 17 by enfieldargh |
Johanson exceptional |
My MoM tonight, that big challenge at the end to crunch Henry... Would have got an amazing reaction live.
Great vision and bite in the tackle, just what we need. |  |
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| Willock on 07:24 - Feb 18 with 2104 views | Gloucs_R |
Where do we play him though? 532 doesn't really work for a number of our squad players, although don't get me wrong it is working to get us results!!
Austin seems to like having a big player play up front with him and Dykes does that but nowhere near as effective as Zamora was. I think Dykes needs another year at a lower level. Bit worrying for next season, up front. |  |
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| Willock on 08:18 - Feb 18 with 2020 views | BAWHoops |
He's doing really well and progressing nicely.
Warburton has progressed Eze, Bright and Chair since he's been here so trust him entirely to manage Willock's game time |  |
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| Willock on 09:11 - Feb 18 with 1889 views | gazza1 |
Inconsistent.....that is why Willock doesn't start every week. Not good enough atm, maybe in time he will be.
Great powerful skilful run for the goal, done well last night. [Post edited 18 Feb 2021 9:12]
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| Willock on 09:21 - Feb 18 with 1852 views | bakerloo8 |
Looks like I am gonna disagree with everything u say today :)
Willock is clearly good enough, Stevie Wonder can see that and his performances when selected have been gererally very good.
He doesn't start every game simply because before this season he has had just 14 senior appearances to his name (I dont count Benfica B games, basically non league).
The bloke needs to be tenderley managed and not burnt out before he gets going, we have seen this with Eze and Chair previously. I expect Willock to become a fixture for us next season when he will be stronger and more experienced. |  | | |
| Willock on 09:30 - Feb 18 with 1838 views | Blue_Castello |
| Willock on 07:24 - Feb 18 by Gloucs_R |
Where do we play him though? 532 doesn't really work for a number of our squad players, although don't get me wrong it is working to get us results!!
Austin seems to like having a big player play up front with him and Dykes does that but nowhere near as effective as Zamora was. I think Dykes needs another year at a lower level. Bit worrying for next season, up front. |
Exactly the squad was built in the Summer to play 4-2-3-1 and that's why we got Adomah, Willock and Thomas, but unfortunately it wasn't working and we had to change formation to improve the defending and make us harder to beat.
The current 5-3-2 or 3-4-1-2 whichever you like has got us 5 wins out of 6 and dragged us away from the relegation zone, this wouldn't have happened without the loan signings but I think we all knew that watching us struggle to defend and score goals.
It was noticeable last night we were crying out for some more creative and skilful players on the pitch and Willock supplied that requirement, the trouble is where do you start him in the new formation. I really can't see Charlie playing up front on his own for 90 minutes, he needs somebody else to do some of the donkey work, so Willock either plays in the three or we keep him for the short term as an impact sub, I'm sure he will become first choice because at some stage we will revert to 4-2-3-1 when we have sorted our defensive issues. | | | |
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| Willock on 09:42 - Feb 18 with 1789 views | gazza1 |
| Willock on 09:21 - Feb 18 by bakerloo8 |
Looks like I am gonna disagree with everything u say today :)
Willock is clearly good enough, Stevie Wonder can see that and his performances when selected have been gererally very good.
He doesn't start every game simply because before this season he has had just 14 senior appearances to his name (I dont count Benfica B games, basically non league).
The bloke needs to be tenderley managed and not burnt out before he gets going, we have seen this with Eze and Chair previously. I expect Willock to become a fixture for us next season when he will be stronger and more experienced. |
Well MW and his coaches, like me, cannot see that he is 'clearly good enough' to start every week. He 'clearly' isn't and that is why he doesn't.
If he cannot get himself fit in 4,5 6 months he will never be fit enough. He is well fit enough to start, i am not aware of any injuries, etc, so if the Team Management thought he was good enough he would start. Nowt to do with fitness, he has the ability as we have all seen but he lacks consistency. Nothing to do with tender management either!!
Oh, Benfica B is non league.....sunday morning I presume!! | | | |
| Willock on 09:51 - Feb 18 with 1762 views | WadR |
I really like Willock, he's a great dribble and dovetails with Chair nicely. Considering our lack of pace in the starting XI, it really helps having him on the pitch, as he moves the ball quickly and is always offering for one twos in half space.
I think the difficulty is that he's been effective off the bench and in the current formation, his most natural position is behind the striker but Chair is doing well there atm. Even though Willock scored and we won v Cardiff, I think he struggled a bit defensively in the midfield 2, don't think he's really a wing back. I understand that Warbs has been trying to build a partnership between Dykes and Austin, but would like to see Willock from the start in place of Dykes on the weekend. | | | |
| Willock on 09:58 - Feb 18 with 1734 views | Malintabuk |
| Willock on 09:42 - Feb 18 by gazza1 |
Well MW and his coaches, like me, cannot see that he is 'clearly good enough' to start every week. He 'clearly' isn't and that is why he doesn't.
If he cannot get himself fit in 4,5 6 months he will never be fit enough. He is well fit enough to start, i am not aware of any injuries, etc, so if the Team Management thought he was good enough he would start. Nowt to do with fitness, he has the ability as we have all seen but he lacks consistency. Nothing to do with tender management either!!
Oh, Benfica B is non league.....sunday morning I presume!! |
There may be an argument that in the summer Willock was bought with one eye on developing him for the future
But with the non performing Dykes I think Warbs might have to have a rethink about this
Clearly Chaz will give Warbs some breathing space upfront but by the end of the season we will have the same issue... a CF that is not up to this standard
For me now it should be a case of Willock starting instead of Dykes. Whether he is ready only the coaches know but this blind faith in Dykes as got to stop really.
Perhaps he is decent in another system but he clearly is not in ours.
Sad to say after he went off we actually looked like we were going to score and we did.
We all seem to blame the service but Willock made that service for himself and for Field.... afraid Dykes don't do that so as said he may not be suited for us
Finally it is getting to the stage where the lad must be devastated that not only is he not scoring but he is not playing particularly well now, that mis control early on is a sign he is not in a good place | | | |
| Willock on 10:02 - Feb 18 with 1726 views | francisbowles |
| Willock on 09:51 - Feb 18 by WadR |
I really like Willock, he's a great dribble and dovetails with Chair nicely. Considering our lack of pace in the starting XI, it really helps having him on the pitch, as he moves the ball quickly and is always offering for one twos in half space.
I think the difficulty is that he's been effective off the bench and in the current formation, his most natural position is behind the striker but Chair is doing well there atm. Even though Willock scored and we won v Cardiff, I think he struggled a bit defensively in the midfield 2, don't think he's really a wing back. I understand that Warbs has been trying to build a partnership between Dykes and Austin, but would like to see Willock from the start in place of Dykes on the weekend. |
I wouldn't want to change a winning team. I thought Dykes did ok last night after a couple of poor early touches. He is low on confidence but got his head right and did his job. Willock, obviously, is a different type of player and including him from the start would also involve a tactical change or formation shift. To an extent, Willock is shining because he is coming on and running at stretched midfields and defences. His first touch on the Ellerslie sideline last night was quite comical too!
Great to see Willock full of confidence and making an impact on a consistent basis. Much more to come from him. There will need to be more substitutions in the 'every three days' scenario that we have now commenced to try and protect everyone from fatigue. So opportunities for Albert, Kakay, Field etc as well. | | | |
| Willock on 10:06 - Feb 18 with 1708 views | ted_hendrix |
He is a talented super sub, be thankful that we've got him. |  |
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| Willock on 10:13 - Feb 18 with 1673 views | bakerloo8 |
| Willock on 09:42 - Feb 18 by gazza1 |
Well MW and his coaches, like me, cannot see that he is 'clearly good enough' to start every week. He 'clearly' isn't and that is why he doesn't.
If he cannot get himself fit in 4,5 6 months he will never be fit enough. He is well fit enough to start, i am not aware of any injuries, etc, so if the Team Management thought he was good enough he would start. Nowt to do with fitness, he has the ability as we have all seen but he lacks consistency. Nothing to do with tender management either!!
Oh, Benfica B is non league.....sunday morning I presume!! |
Crikey.
This kid has 14 appearances at the level before this season. 14!!! That's why he doesn't play 90minutes every week... He is not ready for it.
As for not good enough for this level? Well that's just bollocks and not borne out his performances on the pitch. | | | |
| Willock on 10:39 - Feb 18 with 1643 views | gazza1 |
| Willock on 10:13 - Feb 18 by bakerloo8 |
Crikey.
This kid has 14 appearances at the level before this season. 14!!! That's why he doesn't play 90minutes every week... He is not ready for it.
As for not good enough for this level? Well that's just bollocks and not borne out his performances on the pitch. |
If he was good enough, he would play every week. He is not, for whatever reason, so he doesn't play every week - simple, you can make whatever excuses for him that you like but the facts are in front of you..
Maybe he will be good enough in the future but he currently is not. He needs to hurry up though....he is 22 years old. | | | |
| Willock on 11:03 - Feb 18 with 1617 views | francisbowles |
| Willock on 10:39 - Feb 18 by gazza1 |
If he was good enough, he would play every week. He is not, for whatever reason, so he doesn't play every week - simple, you can make whatever excuses for him that you like but the facts are in front of you..
Maybe he will be good enough in the future but he currently is not. He needs to hurry up though....he is 22 years old. |
So you agree with each other. It is correct that he is not starting every game at the moment. | | | |
| Willock on 11:03 - Feb 18 with 1609 views | simmo |
I'd like to see Willock start over Dykes, but the problem we have there is the direct balls / goal kicks always go towards LD and then we look to play off him. Austin as the poacher doesn't challenge those forward passes and doesn't really press that well either...
Austin definitely wants a partner too - I think Chair could be good foil but that only works if we focus on a less direct approach. It worked to go 4-3-3 last night though with Chair and Willock buzzing around and keeping the full backs up for width, so I think that could work from the start if we adjust how we play slightly. | |
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| Willock on 11:37 - Feb 18 with 1570 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Willock on 11:03 - Feb 18 by simmo |
I'd like to see Willock start over Dykes, but the problem we have there is the direct balls / goal kicks always go towards LD and then we look to play off him. Austin as the poacher doesn't challenge those forward passes and doesn't really press that well either...
Austin definitely wants a partner too - I think Chair could be good foil but that only works if we focus on a less direct approach. It worked to go 4-3-3 last night though with Chair and Willock buzzing around and keeping the full backs up for width, so I think that could work from the start if we adjust how we play slightly. |
Good post.
Dykes competed very well in the air last night, and we are playing a lot of long ball since Austin arrived, so he won't be dropped anytime soon.
I like Willock too, but he won't be coming in for Dykes, I think. |  |
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| Willock on 11:48 - Feb 18 with 1535 views | bosh67 |
I think Willock is being managed well. He looks like a real talent but needs to steadily build up minutes and understand intensity over 90 minutes. He'll get there. He looks like a great player in the making and of course, all being well we have Amos to return next season so we could have a strong midfield if the likes of Johansen, Albert and Field stay next season as well. |  |
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| Willock on 13:22 - Feb 18 with 1453 views | wortonranger |
I liked the way he kept out if it in the build up to the winner realising he would be off side. Also well done for Wallace who is quietly proving the doubters wrong. |  | | |
| Willock on 13:28 - Feb 18 with 1437 views | TW_R |
| Willock on 10:39 - Feb 18 by gazza1 |
If he was good enough, he would play every week. He is not, for whatever reason, so he doesn't play every week - simple, you can make whatever excuses for him that you like but the facts are in front of you..
Maybe he will be good enough in the future but he currently is not. He needs to hurry up though....he is 22 years old. |
Lol - Stones, Aguero, Zinchenko, De Bruyne all on the subs bench for City last night. I guess none of them are good enough either. |  | | |
| Willock on 14:07 - Feb 18 with 1382 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Willock on 10:39 - Feb 18 by gazza1 |
If he was good enough, he would play every week. He is not, for whatever reason, so he doesn't play every week - simple, you can make whatever excuses for him that you like but the facts are in front of you..
Maybe he will be good enough in the future but he currently is not. He needs to hurry up though....he is 22 years old. |
I think 'good enough' is poor phrasing. You could just as easily say he is good enough because we signed him, paid decent money, and he's been and around the team all season. I didn't see much of him, but Dieng would certainly have been 'good enough' last season, but we sent him on loan. It comes down to so many more things - shape, formations, tactics and so on than just 'good enough'. I think there's maybe a case for being so nebulous about a defender, but it's much more complex with attackers.
He's come on and changed two games recently, his skill and pace helping to turn 0-1 into 2-1 against two of the best 5 sides in the division. Your grasp of 'good enough' must be very different to everyone else's - including Warbs.
Having said all that, at the moment, I'm not surprised he's not starting, but I think he will get starts soon, and MW is using him very effectively as a sub. |  |
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| Willock on 14:31 - Feb 18 with 1340 views | Myke |
When Willock started games, even after several games, he was fuked after an hour. So we knew that one sub had to be 'used up' just to replace him, regardless of the tactical requirements at that stage of the game. MW tried him in mid-field once and it didn't really work (even though we won the game). Now that we have more options in mid-field and are playing without wingers, he is much more effective as an impact sub, as is Adomah, as shown against Watford. For the first time we have decent strength in depth and genuine game-changers to come off the bench. I think that should be the focus of the discussion rather than is Willock 'good enough' to start or not. | | | |
| Willock on 16:20 - Feb 18 with 1254 views | Benny_the_Ball |
He hasn't been as effective when starting but has made a real impact when coming off the bench. The quality is there for all to see so one can only hope that with guidance, hard work, improved fitness and more experience a very good player will emerge next season. |  | | |
| Willock on 08:46 - Feb 21 with 1030 views | gazza1 |
| Willock on 09:58 - Feb 18 by Malintabuk |
There may be an argument that in the summer Willock was bought with one eye on developing him for the future
But with the non performing Dykes I think Warbs might have to have a rethink about this
Clearly Chaz will give Warbs some breathing space upfront but by the end of the season we will have the same issue... a CF that is not up to this standard
For me now it should be a case of Willock starting instead of Dykes. Whether he is ready only the coaches know but this blind faith in Dykes as got to stop really.
Perhaps he is decent in another system but he clearly is not in ours.
Sad to say after he went off we actually looked like we were going to score and we did.
We all seem to blame the service but Willock made that service for himself and for Field.... afraid Dykes don't do that so as said he may not be suited for us
Finally it is getting to the stage where the lad must be devastated that not only is he not scoring but he is not playing particularly well now, that mis control early on is a sign he is not in a good place |
Suggesting Willock for Dykes to start the match is a non starter. I am not a big fan of Dykes but we need someone of Dykes ilk to play up front to challenge for high balls and make a nuisance for the opposing CB's.
Willock as a sub for Dykes, maybe, depending on how the game has developed. | | | |
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