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Todd Kane and Brentford on 19:32 - Jun 21 by LazyFan
Fascinating you blame this on Corbyn.
It was Kinnock and then the Blairites who followed whowere cancelling out the left literally in the party for decades before any poor little ah didhams felt they were politically wronged!
It was Blair who brought in the ideology of political correctness or did you forget all about that? Remember the term "the PC Brigade"? Yet somehow it's Corbyn who somehow gets the blame for wokeness and cancel culture.
Corbyn who is not the smarming slick consultancy types of Blair or Cameron, who rides a bike years before Boris stepped away from his limo ("get on your Bike" Lord Tebbit said), who makes homemade British jam from his self-tendered British allotment so, sorta doing British things, yet he's the woke one?
This is the part where you claim your RMT membership gives your left creds, but I suspect your one of those Blairites who would prefer to see the Labour Party become the Liberal Party just like Mandy does, as he voted for them.
Let's be clear, Labour is supposed to be a socialist party, not a libtard capitalist party but a socialist one. Now if the membership vote for Libtardness then fair enough, but its clear the members, not the PLP sellouts, want a socialist party.
But if you want it to be smashy and nicey capitalist party, then guess who is the woke politically correct libtard now?
Come on, don't leave us in suspense! Who? It's not me, is it?
'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 21:04 - Jun 21 with 2415 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 19:32 - Jun 21 by LazyFan
Fascinating you blame this on Corbyn.
It was Kinnock and then the Blairites who followed whowere cancelling out the left literally in the party for decades before any poor little ah didhams felt they were politically wronged!
It was Blair who brought in the ideology of political correctness or did you forget all about that? Remember the term "the PC Brigade"? Yet somehow it's Corbyn who somehow gets the blame for wokeness and cancel culture.
Corbyn who is not the smarming slick consultancy types of Blair or Cameron, who rides a bike years before Boris stepped away from his limo ("get on your Bike" Lord Tebbit said), who makes homemade British jam from his self-tendered British allotment so, sorta doing British things, yet he's the woke one?
This is the part where you claim your RMT membership gives your left creds, but I suspect your one of those Blairites who would prefer to see the Labour Party become the Liberal Party just like Mandy does, as he voted for them.
Let's be clear, Labour is supposed to be a socialist party, not a libtard capitalist party but a socialist one. Now if the membership vote for Libtardness then fair enough, but its clear the members, not the PLP sellouts, want a socialist party.
But if you want it to be smashy and nicey capitalist party, then guess who is the woke politically correct libtard now?
I'm going to propose a modernisation of Godwin's Law, to:
As an online discussion grows longer, regardless of topic or scope, the probability of a debate between Labour members about Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Blair trends towards 1.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 21:46 - Jun 21 with 2316 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 20:25 - Jun 21 by Stainrod
The very fact that some fans are trying to semi-defend Kayne or play down his offence explains precisely why he got a long ban - because a significant number of fans and it, it seems, players simply don't get that you can't be racist any more. Not because you will get in trouble for it - but because it is wrong.
He wasn’t racist he was xenophobic. Maybe the problem is that people don’t know the difference
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 22:02 - Jun 21 with 2268 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 21:46 - Jun 21 by silverbirch
He wasn’t racist he was xenophobic. Maybe the problem is that people don’t know the difference
My understanding is he wanted to insult the Brentford player because of the player's race. He was just so mentally challenged he didn't know if the Brentford player was Spanish or Italian, so made a pathetically weak, generalised insult about his being a foreigner. Whether xenophobic or racist, more than anything Kane just showed himself to be not very bright by rejecting an obvious invitation to apologise - which no doubt would have seen him get a much shorter ban.
Be interested to know if the club advised him prior to the hearing - thanks to Kane's bungled evidence it will make him very hard to sell.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 22:05 - Jun 21 with 2260 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 21:46 - Jun 21 by silverbirch
He wasn’t racist he was xenophobic. Maybe the problem is that people don’t know the difference
the definition of xenophonia is excessive fear, dislike and even hostility toward anything foreign and anybody outside one's own social group, nation, or country. So are people who try to 'cancel' or 'no platform' people with differing views (Outside their social group) xenophobic?
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 22:19 - Jun 21 with 2220 views
All in all, it’s just a very poor insult. I hope Kane leaves because he isn’t very good (in my fan’s opinion) and I didn’t like what he said about his team mate but he’s being vilified for something that really wasn’t a very hurtful or powerful thing to say.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 23:14 - Jun 21 with 2118 views
Anyway, my opinion fwiw is that it would be best for all parties if Kane was moved on as this is what the thread should be about!!
[Post edited 21 Jun 2021 21:10]
Alert to injustice fine. Most of us would buy into that with reservations about injustices that are exaggerated for political advantage.
Knowing what to do about injustices, the appropriate action to take and the consequences of authorities increasingly being expected to control speech and the written word is another matter entirely.
I get that you think people who disagree with you are ignorant. Perhaps they have thought the subject through more thoroughly than you have and see the harms to society the woke movement, as it is developing, will cause.
As for Kane, apparently xenophobia through calling someone foreign is now game for the thought police. In some people's opinion on here he was too stupid to be racist but deserved his punishment anyway. The poor FA will soon have to be punishing euphemisms, if they aren't already.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 00:20 - Jun 22 with 2020 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 13:07 - Jun 21 by Snipper
I’ve voted Labour since I’ve been old enough to vote, but in my opinion, Jeremy Corbyn was the worst thing to happen to Labour. It allowed Momentum and o get a foothold in the Labour Party, and they took it backwards.
I work for London Underground, and I’ve been a member of the RMT for nearly 29 years. I’ve seen first hand what happens to people when they dare speak out against the lefts narrative. You’re called a racist, xenophobe, misogynist etc etc………
I honestly don’t know how you think it’s down to Daily Mail readers.
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Sorry Snipper, that’s utter garbage. I say this as a former LU employee and TU rep.
The Left you hate so much (in the form of the RMT, ASLEF, TSSA, and Unite) have delivered you £58k a year and the best terms and conditions in the industry. Corbyn has been on more picket lines than you’ve had subsidised dinners allowing you the security to whine about him from the safety of a top 10% salary.
You think you’d be where you are if it wasn’t for ‘woke’ Bob Crowe?
Sorry to play my part in the further distancing of the conversation from the OP.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 00:21 - Jun 22 with 2016 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 00:20 - Jun 22 by BazzaInTheLoft
Sorry Snipper, that’s utter garbage. I say this as a former LU employee and TU rep.
The Left you hate so much (in the form of the RMT, ASLEF, TSSA, and Unite) have delivered you £58k a year and the best terms and conditions in the industry. Corbyn has been on more picket lines than you’ve had subsidised dinners allowing you the security to whine about him from the safety of a top 10% salary.
You think you’d be where you are if it wasn’t for ‘woke’ Bob Crowe?
Sorry to play my part in the further distancing of the conversation from the OP.
[Post edited 22 Jun 2021 0:35]
The Left you hate so much (in the form of the RMT, ASLEF, TSSA, and Unite) have delivered you £58k a year and the best terms and conditions in the industry. Corbyn has been on more picket lines than you’ve had subsidised dinners allowing you the security to whine about him from the safety of a top 10% salary.
Yes and cost their comrades and other people who use their services a lot of lot of money....
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 08:34 - Jun 22 with 1788 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 08:28 - Jun 22 by gazza1
The Left you hate so much (in the form of the RMT, ASLEF, TSSA, and Unite) have delivered you £58k a year and the best terms and conditions in the industry. Corbyn has been on more picket lines than you’ve had subsidised dinners allowing you the security to whine about him from the safety of a top 10% salary.
Yes and cost their comrades and other people who use their services a lot of lot of money....
[Post edited 22 Jun 2021 8:32]
Nah mate. Removal of the Operating Grant did that.
Don’t be bitter!
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 08:41 - Jun 22 with 1749 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 08:47 - Jun 22 by LazyFan
Interestered to know what you think of Starmer then?
He isn't helping the party much either but its a lot deeper than the leaders.....they need to stop moaning about the Tories and get on with their own stuff.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 08:55 - Jun 22 with 1714 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 08:55 - Jun 22 by BazzaInTheLoft
Can feel Clive’s delete finger hovering. Let’s drop it shall we?
Good luck Todd Kane wherever you end up next. Thought the sanction was harsh.
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Todd Kane's situation is very very tricky.....one thing is for sure, he has been a dick!!! Not sure how he has reacted within the camp and towards MW but I think he is on very dodgy grounds and if a decent offer comes in he will depart.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 09:49 - Jun 22 with 1603 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 00:20 - Jun 22 by BazzaInTheLoft
Sorry Snipper, that’s utter garbage. I say this as a former LU employee and TU rep.
The Left you hate so much (in the form of the RMT, ASLEF, TSSA, and Unite) have delivered you £58k a year and the best terms and conditions in the industry. Corbyn has been on more picket lines than you’ve had subsidised dinners allowing you the security to whine about him from the safety of a top 10% salary.
You think you’d be where you are if it wasn’t for ‘woke’ Bob Crowe?
Sorry to play my part in the further distancing of the conversation from the OP.
[Post edited 22 Jun 2021 0:35]
Hang on Bazza, I didn’t say I hate the left. I said I didn’t like what Corbyn and Momentum have done to Labour. They went so far to the left, that they’ve made themselves unelectable. Calling your core electorate racists for nigh on four years was a master stroke by the way. Dianne Abbott making race an issue out of everything does Labour no favours either. She even tried to make the Sasha Johnson shooting a race issue.
I met Bob Crow on many occasions. Yes, he was left, but he wasn’t mad left. I was a union rep for two years many years ago. Most reps I had the pleasure to work with were great people. They never attacked anybody for daring to have a different opinion. I can tell you now from experience, the current crop we have now do this regularly. And for your information, I’ve stood on every picket line for near on 29 years when we’ve had a strike. So don’t try to tell me what I should be grateful for.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 09:52 - Jun 22 with 1599 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 08:22 - Jun 22 by gazza1
How do you actually know tha BOS gave him no respect!!!!!
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My goodness Gazza, clearly you love me so much you have to question every comment I make. Five pages of a very diverse conversation and you hone in on mine. Anyway to give you a very obvious answer (which you should be able to figure out for yourself) BOS disrespected the club - and by extension Warburton - in the manner he handled his transfer (Manning was bombed out for taking a similar stance), and critically in the manner in which he notified the club of his move to Turkey. This left the club scrambling very publicly and very inelegantly to strike a deal to off-load him immediately and to wring the last few quid out of the transfer. To me he behaved extremely poorly, from the time he turned down Bruges until he left six months later, but Warburton continued to pick him more often than not. So this rather undermines Warburton's stance on 'respect is paramount'. If you are dispensable (Manning/Kane) disrespect is punished, but if you are vital and/or popular (BOS/Austin), not so much.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 10:12 - Jun 22 with 1523 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 18:37 - Jun 21 by Dixie_CT
Bias and the recognition of difference is a part of the human psyche so trying to police it will always be subjective.
QPR are no different from all businesses and have staff and customers that have view that will be deemed unacceptable and/or extreme. What are you gonna do?
IMO, Kane is in the wrong but the punishment given is disproportionate to the offence and not in line with similar cases.
Kane comes across poorly (fingers in ears, Kakay comments, Canos case) and I don’t really enjoy him being part of the club. Much like I don’t like the fact we are supported by Gove, Copeland, Jihadi John. What are ya gonna do?
Punishment guidelines are included in the summary of the decision on FAs web site, if you look at that and the previous cases you can see the rationale for the ban and that it DOES tally with previous (recent) cases.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 11:09 - Jun 22 with 1449 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 22:05 - Jun 21 by distortR
the definition of xenophonia is excessive fear, dislike and even hostility toward anything foreign and anybody outside one's own social group, nation, or country. So are people who try to 'cancel' or 'no platform' people with differing views (Outside their social group) xenophobic?
Of course they are. That's the thing with all this PC bollocks - the problem complained of still exists, but in reverse
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 14:15 - Jun 22 with 1303 views
Todd Kane and Brentford on 10:12 - Jun 22 by PinnerPaul
Punishment guidelines are included in the summary of the decision on FAs web site, if you look at that and the previous cases you can see the rationale for the ban and that it DOES tally with previous (recent) cases.
Didn’t the guidelines come in from August 2020? If so, can’t really compare Kane’s case to previous ones like Terry, Suarez and others.
It is certainly disproportionate with the evidence on offer and how Canos was dealt with.
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Todd Kane and Brentford on 14:19 - Jun 22 with 1283 views
My goodness Gazza, clearly you love me so much you have to question every comment I make. Five pages of a very diverse conversation and you hone in on mine. Anyway to give you a very obvious answer (which you should be able to figure out for yourself) BOS disrespected the club - and by extension Warburton - in the manner he handled his transfer (Manning was bombed out for taking a similar stance), and critically in the manner in which he notified the club of his move to Turkey. This left the club scrambling very publicly and very inelegantly to strike a deal to off-load him immediately and to wring the last few quid out of the transfer. To me he behaved extremely poorly, from the time he turned down Bruges until he left six months later, but Warburton continued to pick him more often than not. So this rather undermines Warburton's stance on 'respect is paramount'. If you are dispensable (Manning/Kane) disrespect is punished, but if you are vital and/or popular (BOS/Austin), not so much.
I believe that you are a teacher......I expect a bit more from a teacher.
All I know is that BOS wanted out.....I don't know why but there are many, many reasons why he may have wanted to leave.
To state that 'he gave zero respect to MW' when really, you and I, nor all of us actually did not know what went on between BOS and MW/Club is pretty wrong.
When dealing with contract negotiations for footballers there are many things that come into account, it is far from easy. It obviously could not be 'sorted' so BOS left the Club.
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