| Todd Kane and Brentford on 14:20 - Jun 22 with 2149 views | PinnerPaul |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 14:15 - Jun 22 by Dixie_CT |
Didn’t the guidelines come in from August 2020? If so, can’t really compare Kane’s case to previous ones like Terry, Suarez and others.
It is certainly disproportionate with the evidence on offer and how Canos was dealt with. |
Read the whole judgement and you will see that it really isn't. |  | |  |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 14:45 - Jun 22 with 2092 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 14:19 - Jun 22 by gazza1 |
I believe that you are a teacher......I expect a bit more from a teacher.
All I know is that BOS wanted out.....I don't know why but there are many, many reasons why he may have wanted to leave.
To state that 'he gave zero respect to MW' when really, you and I, nor all of us actually did not know what went on between BOS and MW/Club is pretty wrong.
When dealing with contract negotiations for footballers there are many things that come into account, it is far from easy. It obviously could not be 'sorted' so BOS left the Club.
PS-I aint got a 'scooby' about Manning either. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 14:30]
|
I doubt BOS personally showed disrespect to MW directly, but it seems pretty common knowledge that BOS signed with another club without even informing the club first. That showed disrespect. |  |
| |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 15:19 - Jun 22 with 2029 views | gazza1 |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 14:45 - Jun 22 by Antti_Heinola |
I doubt BOS personally showed disrespect to MW directly, but it seems pretty common knowledge that BOS signed with another club without even informing the club first. That showed disrespect. |
I don't know if that was fact......likewise I don't know what went on before that. And nor do you and others. There are always two sides to the story, perhaps he felt the club showed him disrespect so 'fxck em'.
I find it very wrong that we criticize players when we do not know the facts. | | | |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 15:38 - Jun 22 with 1990 views | DavieQPR |
Maybe we should set up a separate section for Political debate. Most people go to sports or read about them to get away from everyday problems. The political posters will harm this forum irrevocably. This is a FOOTBALL forum not a replacement for Hyde Park Corner. |  | | |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 22:43 - Jun 22 with 1760 views | LazyFan |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 09:49 - Jun 22 by Snipper |
Hang on Bazza, I didn’t say I hate the left. I said I didn’t like what Corbyn and Momentum have done to Labour. They went so far to the left, that they’ve made themselves unelectable. Calling your core electorate racists for nigh on four years was a master stroke by the way.
Dianne Abbott making race an issue out of everything does Labour no favours either. She even tried to make the Sasha Johnson shooting a race issue.
I met Bob Crow on many occasions. Yes, he was left, but he wasn’t mad left. I was a union rep for two years many years ago. Most reps I had the pleasure to work with were great people. They never attacked anybody for daring to have a different opinion. I can tell you now from experience, the current crop we have now do this regularly. And for your information, I’ve stood on every picket line for near on 29 years when we’ve had a strike. So don’t try to tell me what I should be grateful for. |
I am not sure your views add up. Corbyn almost got elected in 2017, if it was not for the right of the Labour Party, Blairites causing so much trouble he would have been.
Then the Brexiters got their act together and took over the Tory party, which is the rank and file membership (as most Tory MP's are actually against it). Which fair play to the Tory party means they listened to their members, unlike the Blairite Nasty Party which stomps on them and is the reason Labour members are leaving in droves.
In 2019 having to constantly fight against the right-wing New Labour MP's/PLP who wanted it seemed to lose the election, did not represent the membership (despite Corbyn having drawn in 300k new members to make Labour the biggest party in Europe) and be put in a bind, not of his own making with Brexit. Whereby if he went with Leave he would lose the Southern cities but if he went Remain he as he did lose the North. It was a no-win situation. It was not his loony leftie policies as even the Tories have taken some of them on board with GBR and taxing the Internet companies and so on.
Even after all that, we were told Starmer would unite the Labour party, he promised it, but instead, people are leaving in droves, no one from the North wants to come back to Labour to vote for this so-called new Messiah despite it being "anyone but Corbyn" trope which has now been blasted out of the water with everyone in the press claiming it was obvious (just as you have just done) and now even the right-wing New Labour MP's are saying Blair should come back ... no joke ... that is what they are saying!
Magically though Starmer has managed to solve the anti-Semitism problem, well according to the Blairites he has. Amazing how it's all gone quiet on that, yet it was riddled within the Party. Anti-Semitism still exists in the party and Starmer has just buried it, worse than Corbyn ever did who just flapped about a lot, but at least he did not bury it.
The left's view of Corbyn is this, he was too weak on the right, he did not open the party up properly to democracy as still the MP's have their say over who is leader before the membership, he did not deal decisively with the problem of Anti-Semitism, he included Blairites like Hillary Benn (remember that loser?) get away with their nonsense and now he has let the right-back in who are doing worse than Corbyn but they cannot even use Brexit as an excuse and they had an evil pandemic botched by this govt as a sick gift.
If Corbyn was a poor leader, Starmer is worse. But maybe he is just there to line up Blairite Lisa Nandy (who is playing the long game now). |  |
| |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 23:04 - Jun 22 with 1725 views | Rangersw12 |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 22:43 - Jun 22 by LazyFan |
I am not sure your views add up. Corbyn almost got elected in 2017, if it was not for the right of the Labour Party, Blairites causing so much trouble he would have been.
Then the Brexiters got their act together and took over the Tory party, which is the rank and file membership (as most Tory MP's are actually against it). Which fair play to the Tory party means they listened to their members, unlike the Blairite Nasty Party which stomps on them and is the reason Labour members are leaving in droves.
In 2019 having to constantly fight against the right-wing New Labour MP's/PLP who wanted it seemed to lose the election, did not represent the membership (despite Corbyn having drawn in 300k new members to make Labour the biggest party in Europe) and be put in a bind, not of his own making with Brexit. Whereby if he went with Leave he would lose the Southern cities but if he went Remain he as he did lose the North. It was a no-win situation. It was not his loony leftie policies as even the Tories have taken some of them on board with GBR and taxing the Internet companies and so on.
Even after all that, we were told Starmer would unite the Labour party, he promised it, but instead, people are leaving in droves, no one from the North wants to come back to Labour to vote for this so-called new Messiah despite it being "anyone but Corbyn" trope which has now been blasted out of the water with everyone in the press claiming it was obvious (just as you have just done) and now even the right-wing New Labour MP's are saying Blair should come back ... no joke ... that is what they are saying!
Magically though Starmer has managed to solve the anti-Semitism problem, well according to the Blairites he has. Amazing how it's all gone quiet on that, yet it was riddled within the Party. Anti-Semitism still exists in the party and Starmer has just buried it, worse than Corbyn ever did who just flapped about a lot, but at least he did not bury it.
The left's view of Corbyn is this, he was too weak on the right, he did not open the party up properly to democracy as still the MP's have their say over who is leader before the membership, he did not deal decisively with the problem of Anti-Semitism, he included Blairites like Hillary Benn (remember that loser?) get away with their nonsense and now he has let the right-back in who are doing worse than Corbyn but they cannot even use Brexit as an excuse and they had an evil pandemic botched by this govt as a sick gift.
If Corbyn was a poor leader, Starmer is worse. But maybe he is just there to line up Blairite Lisa Nandy (who is playing the long game now). |
I think your post sums up why Labour are now unelectable in that anyone who sees themselves as centre or centre left are now classed as right wing
A great way to treat the people you need to vote for you in order to win an election | | | |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 09:29 - Jun 23 with 1565 views | LazyFan |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 23:04 - Jun 22 by Rangersw12 |
I think your post sums up why Labour are now unelectable in that anyone who sees themselves as centre or centre left are now classed as right wing
A great way to treat the people you need to vote for you in order to win an election |
But Labour was electable in 2017, Labour came close to winning. It was the attitude of "anyone but Corbyn" from the right of the New Labour party that let the Tories back in. So, this view is not true.
Starmer who is from the right is well indeed making Labour unelectable. As the Tories under Boris move actually to the left. Starmer has no ground to make himself different. Thus unelectable, as what's the point in voting Labour if you still get the Tories? No point.
We saw this at the last election whereby the Liberals with people like Chuka got destroyed and in recent elections whereby left voters are now leaving the Party to vote for the Greens. The Blairites don't actually care that people are leaving the party and voting Green, they think it's good as the socialists are leaving. But those who stay will use it against them and if they don't deliver victories which they cannot, then the battle will continue.
Boris move to the left is why many Tory MP's (not just the North ones) are very angry with Boris despite his constant victories as he keeps bringing in left-wing policies like GBR (which Corbyn had in his 2019 manifesto). They actually dislike him, but as he keeps winning cannot remove him.
What you don't seem to like is the constant reminder that the Labour Party is supposed to be a socialist party and not a soft capitalist one. If you want one of those, vote Liberal, but as we have seen when the Libs get into power they just do what the Tories want (student fees, tax breaks for Vodafone). So, in the end, voting, soft capital gets you Tories anyway. But at least you know what type of capitalists you will get as they are honest about it. Who knows what you will get with Blairites.
I have more respect for Tories as at least they are honest capitalists who openly support it. You may not agree with them but you can understand them. But this lite capital version is just an excuse to edge towards capitalism and then go all the way without being honest about it.
The reason people don't vote Labour now is it's a party run by capitalists and the North wanted Brexit and does not trust anyone who does not support that no matter which party they are from ... for now. Labour cannot win with the policies of capital, that is where it is unelectable this we saw in recent elections. With the socialist policies, it may take longer, but at least it's possible as 2017 showed us. | |
| |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 09:46 - Jun 23 with 1532 views | Northernr |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 09:29 - Jun 23 by LazyFan |
But Labour was electable in 2017, Labour came close to winning. It was the attitude of "anyone but Corbyn" from the right of the New Labour party that let the Tories back in. So, this view is not true.
Starmer who is from the right is well indeed making Labour unelectable. As the Tories under Boris move actually to the left. Starmer has no ground to make himself different. Thus unelectable, as what's the point in voting Labour if you still get the Tories? No point.
We saw this at the last election whereby the Liberals with people like Chuka got destroyed and in recent elections whereby left voters are now leaving the Party to vote for the Greens. The Blairites don't actually care that people are leaving the party and voting Green, they think it's good as the socialists are leaving. But those who stay will use it against them and if they don't deliver victories which they cannot, then the battle will continue.
Boris move to the left is why many Tory MP's (not just the North ones) are very angry with Boris despite his constant victories as he keeps bringing in left-wing policies like GBR (which Corbyn had in his 2019 manifesto). They actually dislike him, but as he keeps winning cannot remove him.
What you don't seem to like is the constant reminder that the Labour Party is supposed to be a socialist party and not a soft capitalist one. If you want one of those, vote Liberal, but as we have seen when the Libs get into power they just do what the Tories want (student fees, tax breaks for Vodafone). So, in the end, voting, soft capital gets you Tories anyway. But at least you know what type of capitalists you will get as they are honest about it. Who knows what you will get with Blairites.
I have more respect for Tories as at least they are honest capitalists who openly support it. You may not agree with them but you can understand them. But this lite capital version is just an excuse to edge towards capitalism and then go all the way without being honest about it.
The reason people don't vote Labour now is it's a party run by capitalists and the North wanted Brexit and does not trust anyone who does not support that no matter which party they are from ... for now. Labour cannot win with the policies of capital, that is where it is unelectable this we saw in recent elections. With the socialist policies, it may take longer, but at least it's possible as 2017 showed us. |
This thread will be locked if it continues to stray. |  | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 12:26 - Jun 23 with 1435 views | Myke |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 10:01 - Jun 21 by BrianMcCarthy |
I hope we sell him, Myke. He has owned up to xenophobic abuse and we need to do everything in our power to remove such behaviour from our club. In this case there's a clear path to doing just that. |
I think there is a difference between giving xenophobic abuse in the heat of the moment and being a xenophobic, Brian. We simply don't know Kane well enough personally to know if he genuinely hates all foreigners. He plays in a very multi-national team and we have never heard that he has a problem with Seny or Barbet or all the other non-English players in the squad. He has gone on loan to various countries and there never seemed to be an issue. He lives (presumably) in one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world - does he shun his foreign neighbours, only buy from English shops, eat in English restaurants? If so, then these would be the actions of aa xenophobic, but shouting an obvious abusive reaction, in what was a highly- charged match (recall Austin's reaction to scoring the equaliser. What did he shout at Frank, rather more than 'unlucky' I suspect?) to me does not making him a xenophobic.
People shout insulting things at each other all the time in the heat of the moment. A couple of years ago, I just beat another car to the final parking space in Blanchestown shopping centre in Dublin. The guy in the other car jumped out, took one look at my 'SO' registration and in a very broad Dublin accent told me to 'fook off back to where I came from' Does he hate all Sligo people? Or all non-Dublin people? Or was he just upset at not getting parked? I very wisely did not pursue that line of enquiry with him, but you take my point.
I am not suggesting Kane is the most pleasant individual person in the world, but it is not a popularity contest. Plenty of knobheads still do a very good job for whoever they are playing for. We need to be careful not to label people on one snapshot of evidence and then request their expulsion from the club on the strength of that. I think the infamous interview and the suspension both occurring so near each other, has turned people totally against him. There were few complaints about Kane in the immediate aftermath of the Brentford game when he was pinging a 60 yard pass to Wallace leading up to a goal.
Maybe it will be best for all parties if Kane does move and that's fair enough, players move around all the time. But let's do it in the right way and for the right reasons (securing a better right-wing back than him.) | | | |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 13:03 - Jun 23 with 1353 views | BazzeR |
Im probably guilty of putting my head in the sand but was staggered to find how many goals Todd Kane played a role in when I again looked at the season review. | | | |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 13:33 - Jun 23 with 1276 views | BrianMcCarthy |
"I think there is a difference between giving xenophobic abuse in the heat of the moment and being a xenophobic, Brian."
I think, Myke, to be fair, I've only spoken about the one incident of abuse which he has admitted. I haven't pretended to know anything about his overall character or beliefs.
I'm going to leave it there, as Clive has already tried to steer this conversation away from the political twice and I'm not sure if he includes this part of the conversation in that.
Take it easy, my man. |  |
| |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 13:42 - Jun 23 with 1247 views | Myke |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 13:33 - Jun 23 by BrianMcCarthy |
"I think there is a difference between giving xenophobic abuse in the heat of the moment and being a xenophobic, Brian."
I think, Myke, to be fair, I've only spoken about the one incident of abuse which he has admitted. I haven't pretended to know anything about his overall character or beliefs.
I'm going to leave it there, as Clive has already tried to steer this conversation away from the political twice and I'm not sure if he includes this part of the conversation in that.
Take it easy, my man. |
Fair enough, you may be right. I thought I was bringing it back on track by talking about an actual footballer, but apologies Clive if that is not the case. | | | |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 13:56 - Jun 23 with 1210 views | PinnerPaul |
| Todd Kane and Brentford on 09:46 - Jun 23 by Northernr |
This thread will be locked if it continues to stray. |
"Stray"?! I would say its packed its bags and emigrated to Australia!  | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
