| England 21:18 - Sep 23 with 8003 views | digswellhoop |
anyone watching this sh1t we are awfull |  | | |  |
| England on 00:22 - Sep 24 with 1946 views | PunteR |
Put Rooney in as manager. |  |
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| England on 00:23 - Sep 24 with 1946 views | LazyFan |
Southgate has one of the best generations we have had in ages and does not know what formation he even wants.
You could tell the players were not at full pace, which means they don't like him and don't want him anymore. He's lost the dressing room.
A change is needed, let's get a German coach in, yes a German, it worked for Greece! |  |
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| England on 00:28 - Sep 24 with 1917 views | Juzzie |
“ You could tell the players were not at full pace, which means they don't like him and don't want him anymore”
Or, they don’t want to risk getting injured in a meaningless game 8 weeks from the World Cup.
It was dire to watch though, I just hope he’s using these Nations League games like friendlies to check things out. |  | | |
| England on 03:30 - Sep 24 with 1840 views | SydneyRs |
| England on 00:28 - Sep 24 by Juzzie |
“ You could tell the players were not at full pace, which means they don't like him and don't want him anymore”
Or, they don’t want to risk getting injured in a meaningless game 8 weeks from the World Cup.
It was dire to watch though, I just hope he’s using these Nations League games like friendlies to check things out. |
This may be the hope to cling to. Nations league is really unwanted right now just before the WC. The two teams that didn't qualify are doing better which maybe demonstrates that it matters more to them. In no world are Hungary better than Italy, Germany and England.
I do have concerns over Southgate though. Culturally he's been brilliant for the team but tactically is super conservative at a time where we have a lot of creative talent available. We should have won the Euros, end of. 1-0 up at home against an average team who have missed the last two world cups, and we just sat back. They had two ancient CBs and we let them play in dinner suits second half, madness. | | | |
| England on 04:33 - Sep 24 with 1815 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I will go to my grave never having understood why some England fans wants Southgate out. |  | | |
| England on 04:51 - Sep 24 with 1793 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| England on 00:28 - Sep 24 by Juzzie |
“ You could tell the players were not at full pace, which means they don't like him and don't want him anymore”
Or, they don’t want to risk getting injured in a meaningless game 8 weeks from the World Cup.
It was dire to watch though, I just hope he’s using these Nations League games like friendlies to check things out. |
Well if he is using them as friendlies, why not give Kane a rest - for surely we know what he can do by now - and let Abraham and/or Toney have some minutes?
If Kane's out, it's game over. So what's his plan then?
First time I've seen them play since the Euro final and they looked very poor 8 weeks from the start of the WC. I like GS, but to win a cup competition you have to be able to gamble occasionally and know when to be proactive to change things. Don't think these are his natural instincts.
I also think he's fallen into the trap of managing with concerns about what the press think. |  |
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| England on 05:40 - Sep 24 with 1779 views | ozranger |
If GS is treating these as friendlies then he is leaving a poor legacy for whomever is managing leading up to the Euros. While Italy, France, Germany, etc will be playing each other in the next Nations Cup, England will have "friendlies " against the second level nations. |  | | |
| England on 07:16 - Sep 24 with 1694 views | traininvain |
| England on 04:33 - Sep 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I will go to my grave never having understood why some England fans wants Southgate out. |
It does seem a bit perverse that he’s managed a semi final and final in our last two major tournament yet he seems to have zero goodwill with some fans. I can only think of one England manager in the history of the game with a better record at tournaments.
Granted we’ve been p1ss poor this year (in meaningless games) and he looks completely lost at the moment but surely his track record at major tournaments is a reason to at least back him at the upcoming World Cup.
If the World Cup doesn’t go to plan then I suspect he’ll step down anyway but he’s given us some of the most memorable moments supporting England (in my lifetime anyway) and deserves to be treated with a bit more respect imo.
The contrast with Mancini is interesting. Italy haven’t qualified for the last two World Cup under his management and they haven’t sacked him. Obviously he won the Euros last summer at our expense but that was a penalty shootout win and could easily have gone either way. Fine margins and all that. |  | | |
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| England on 07:53 - Sep 24 with 1618 views | bosh67 |
I think he's just got to bite the bullet and be braver. Take the game to teams on the front foot and start with the likes of Foden, Grealish and other forward running players. It is always too defensive and our defence aren't really that good at sitting deep. |  |
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| England on 08:27 - Sep 24 with 1567 views | davman |
His football is simply boring.
He lost it with me by playing two defensive midfielders against Scotland in the Euros.
Playing Mount and James as first choices is also unforgivable - if they played for anyone other than that lot, they'd be nowhere near either team.
Yet again though our players are nowhere near as good as they, or our press think they are. Take the exceptional foreigners these "top 6" get to play with at their clubs and they will struggle. It is why an England coach should cut through that - how good would some of the players at "lesser" clubs be with better players around them?
I try to avoid the Internationals, but it's the only football out there... |  |
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| England on 08:41 - Sep 24 with 1531 views | distortR |
| England on 07:16 - Sep 24 by traininvain |
It does seem a bit perverse that he’s managed a semi final and final in our last two major tournament yet he seems to have zero goodwill with some fans. I can only think of one England manager in the history of the game with a better record at tournaments.
Granted we’ve been p1ss poor this year (in meaningless games) and he looks completely lost at the moment but surely his track record at major tournaments is a reason to at least back him at the upcoming World Cup.
If the World Cup doesn’t go to plan then I suspect he’ll step down anyway but he’s given us some of the most memorable moments supporting England (in my lifetime anyway) and deserves to be treated with a bit more respect imo.
The contrast with Mancini is interesting. Italy haven’t qualified for the last two World Cup under his management and they haven’t sacked him. Obviously he won the Euros last summer at our expense but that was a penalty shootout win and could easily have gone either way. Fine margins and all that. |
It's the opportunities squandered. If plan A is not going well, he's seemingly left scratching his head. With his team selections, when you're in, you're in. Although, with Grealish, I wonder if there's an element of 'better a hole in the team, then an arsehole'. Yesterday's selection,and performance, left me baffled. If you want to treat it as a game to experiment in, fine, but why pick Maguire? Why pick Kane? He's excellent, but we had the situation in the last world cup, he obviously got injured against Colombia, yet we kept playing him, because, clearly, that's what we do.
So no, I don't rate him as a manager. He's bang average with a group of very talented individuals at his disposal. [Post edited 24 Sep 2022 8:49]
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| England on 08:56 - Sep 24 with 1493 views | traininvain |
| England on 08:41 - Sep 24 by distortR |
It's the opportunities squandered. If plan A is not going well, he's seemingly left scratching his head. With his team selections, when you're in, you're in. Although, with Grealish, I wonder if there's an element of 'better a hole in the team, then an arsehole'. Yesterday's selection,and performance, left me baffled. If you want to treat it as a game to experiment in, fine, but why pick Maguire? Why pick Kane? He's excellent, but we had the situation in the last world cup, he obviously got injured against Colombia, yet we kept playing him, because, clearly, that's what we do.
So no, I don't rate him as a manager. He's bang average with a group of very talented individuals at his disposal. [Post edited 24 Sep 2022 8:49]
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Agree that his team selection in recent games has been poor. Feels like he’s reverted to trying squeeze his favourites in despite poor form, playing them out of position etc. I would’ve preferred to see much more use of squad players to give them a chance to impress.
But in the summer games people wanted a more attacking team and Southgate duly obliged. We ended up getting walloped by Hungary. The experiment didn’t work so it’s no surprise to see us back to a more defensive set up which has been largely effective for Southgate.
Maybe opportunities were squandered in the euros final and World Cup semi but we can’t ignore that his management got us there in the first place. People will say we had soft runs but you still have to win those games and it didn’t stop us getting ko’d by Iceland in 2016, not getting out the group in 2014, not qualifying in 2008 etc. | | | |
| England on 09:00 - Sep 24 with 1473 views | Paddyhoops |
No World Cup this time lads.like Southgate but he’s a busted flush.
Watched Ghosts on BBC 1 instead although “ Have I got news for you “ was so bad , I nearly turned on the football again!! | | | |
| England on 09:06 - Sep 24 with 1450 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Rarely do you read this many posts on a topic that everyone has raised valid points.
However, GS isn't the problem, it's the FA! They are perpetually programmed to go for the safe option. It's in their DNA for how Clough never got the job remains amystery.
Since SAR, I think they've only made one appointment that I felt was good (Terry Venables). All the rest were either questionable or shockers. When they have gone against their grain, SGE was just as disappointing as GS is turning out and in Capello, he just couldn't communicate to the players.
That's where the problem lies, and that's where change is needed. For me, the initials FA do not stand for Football Association but for F..k All!! | |
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| England on 09:09 - Sep 24 with 1435 views | dmm |
I'm struck at how, at the moment, for Scotland the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, but for England it's the opposite. Just underlines that football really is a team game. |  | | |
| England on 09:25 - Sep 24 with 1400 views | paulparker |
| England on 04:33 - Sep 24 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I will go to my grave never having understood why some England fans wants Southgate out. |
To have a team with the likes Grealish, Foden, Saka ,Bellingham and not create anything is poor
We have the one of the best squads in international football but he wants to play sideways defensive football , the continued selection of Maguire is criminal he would by even get in our back four
Sterling needs to be dropped but won’t be
Plays Kane in every minute of every game
Never starts Grealish
If phillips was fit he wouldn’t even start Bellingham
Is still playing walker at centre back when you have the likes of Tomori collecting splinters
Refuses to play Maddison
We haven’t scored in open play in 450 minutes
Been d1cked by Hungry at home 4-0
There a few reasons there why he needs to go |  |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| England on 10:36 - Sep 24 with 1293 views | traininvain |
| England on 09:25 - Sep 24 by paulparker |
To have a team with the likes Grealish, Foden, Saka ,Bellingham and not create anything is poor
We have the one of the best squads in international football but he wants to play sideways defensive football , the continued selection of Maguire is criminal he would by even get in our back four
Sterling needs to be dropped but won’t be
Plays Kane in every minute of every game
Never starts Grealish
If phillips was fit he wouldn’t even start Bellingham
Is still playing walker at centre back when you have the likes of Tomori collecting splinters
Refuses to play Maddison
We haven’t scored in open play in 450 minutes
Been d1cked by Hungry at home 4-0
There a few reasons there why he needs to go |
Honest answer, how many genuinely world class players do you think Southgate has at his disposal and who are they? | | | |
| England on 10:43 - Sep 24 with 1279 views | Juzzie |
“He has/needs to go”
Four words that so many people use all over social media without ever offering up any viable solutions or thinking that by sacking someone is an instant solution in itself.
It’s just the same merry-go-round of modern football that demands instant success, zero tolerance and ever more signings (at club level). It’s been said here that constant manager changing rarely solves things, problems are usually much deeper.
Yes GS does seem a cautious manager but has been our most successful since Ramsey. Despite losing the Euro’s there was a lot of optimism about the World Cup but much can happen in 18 months. Players go out of form (Maguire), get inured etc.
The margins are so fine it’s almost impossible. One team will win it, everyone else will be deemed a failure and mass sackings and it starts all over again. Only the winning manager will be safe from the axe.
I think Southgate will go after the World Cup (unless we win!) but who next? There are very few English managers left and I can't see Lampard or Gerard getting it ..... but then I wouldn't be surprised if they did!
So, would it be any of the likes of Klopp, Guardiola, Pochettino? etc. Would they even want to?
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| England on 10:43 - Sep 24 with 1277 views | NorthLondonR |
how Eze gets nowhere that squad is absolutely criminal. |  | | |
| England on 10:48 - Sep 24 with 1255 views | paulparker |
| England on 10:36 - Sep 24 by traininvain |
Honest answer, how many genuinely world class players do you think Southgate has at his disposal and who are they? |
Kane
Foden
Grealish
Rice
Walker
Any of the above walk into other international teams
Honest answer who is world class these days ?
This squad should not be losing to this Italian team nor getting spanked by Hungry | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| England on 10:51 - Sep 24 with 1247 views | Sonofpugwash |
It's a poor international standard,one of the poorest I've ever seen.
England under Southgate seems to be a kind of reverse alchemy where you turn gold into shit.Makes you almost feel nostalgic for Graham Taylor.
Almost. |  |
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| England on 11:07 - Sep 24 with 1224 views | traininvain |
| England on 10:48 - Sep 24 by paulparker |
Kane
Foden
Grealish
Rice
Walker
Any of the above walk into other international teams
Honest answer who is world class these days ?
This squad should not be losing to this Italian team nor getting spanked by Hungry |
I’d agree with Kane and Walker possibly Foden at a push but he’s not done enough in an England shirt imo. I don’t think Grealish has done enough since signing for Man City to be labelled world class and I doubt he’d get near the France or Brazil teams. Rice is a good player and might be world class in a few years but not yet for me.
World class players have an impact at the top level whether that’s international tournaments or the champions league.
Agree that we shouldn’t be losing to Hungary (who beat Germany away last night btw) and Italy but they are glorified friendlies and Southgate’s record at major tournaments is surely more important. | | | |
| England on 11:32 - Sep 24 with 1184 views | danehoop |
Key question in this is that if you chose to let Southgate go (now or post WC) is there anyone currently out there who is better than him as an international coach, who the FA will want and, more importantly, who will will want the job?
I'd suggest that the list of alternatives probably ain't that great. |  |
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| England on 12:31 - Sep 24 with 1077 views | paulparker |
| England on 11:07 - Sep 24 by traininvain |
I’d agree with Kane and Walker possibly Foden at a push but he’s not done enough in an England shirt imo. I don’t think Grealish has done enough since signing for Man City to be labelled world class and I doubt he’d get near the France or Brazil teams. Rice is a good player and might be world class in a few years but not yet for me.
World class players have an impact at the top level whether that’s international tournaments or the champions league.
Agree that we shouldn’t be losing to Hungary (who beat Germany away last night btw) and Italy but they are glorified friendlies and Southgate’s record at major tournaments is surely more important. |
I agree you can’t knock his record but we should have beaten Croatia & Italy and Southgate fell well short when it mattered imo
The FA have this habit of giving big contracts to managers and it all going flat , you knock Foden & Grealish but have they really been the main men under Southgate I’d say no
It’s Mount, Sterling & Kane and I’d wager them 3 starting against Iran when the first game kicks off in 50 odd days time
Southgate is wasting some of our best talent the same talent that won under 17 & 20 world cups with his boring slow paced brand of submission football
It’s horrific to watch | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| England on 13:06 - Sep 24 with 1012 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
The Brazil team does seem pretty incredible at the moment. They will take some stopping. | | | |
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