| That one is on Marti 17:01 - Mar 29 with 12668 views | numptydumpty |
The starting line up was never ever going to work.
Having a centre forward, even one as limited as Lloyd would make a difference. Starting Dembele through the middle and with keeping Anderson helping Paal. Doomed to fail. I think today also showed Morrison must start also. And Yang too, given current availabilities.
Another infuriating game when the plan is in place when we are out of the game.
Yes we have bad injuries, but we still could be competitive, it's only Stoke, but we were set up to lose the game.
This is on the manager today, am sad to say.
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| That one is on Marti on 18:39 - Mar 29 with 1738 views | Watford_Ranger |
| That one is on Marti on 18:36 - Mar 29 by stainrods_elbow |
I think seven points minus three is four, isn't it? Perhaps the only thing worse than our situation is your maths? ;-) |
Should Derby win we’d be five points ahead of Cardiff in 22nd. |  | | |
| That one is on Marti on 18:39 - Mar 29 with 1731 views | QPRcounsellor |
| That one is on Marti on 18:36 - Mar 29 by stainrods_elbow |
I think seven points minus three is four, isn't it? Perhaps the only thing worse than our situation is your maths? ;-) |
If Derby win then they go 4 behind us and then Cardiff move into the bottom 3, and they are 5 points behind us. | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 18:45 - Mar 29 with 1654 views | stainrods_elbow |
| That one is on Marti on 18:39 - Mar 29 by Watford_Ranger |
Should Derby win we’d be five points ahead of Cardiff in 22nd. |
Ah, so we would! Either way, it's a bit grim, isn't it? If Cardiff beat us next time out, they'll be two behind us, while Derby and us could be neck and neck.
I know 'it's the Championship', but how on G-d's green earth has it come to this? [Post edited 29 Mar 18:48]
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| That one is on Marti on 18:52 - Mar 29 with 1644 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Not a lot MC could do different today, pretty much shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. Maybe Morrison starts, but we were horrible all over the pitch.
Is this the season years of mismanagement finally catches up with us? | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 18:55 - Mar 29 with 1619 views | rbee |
| That one is on Marti on 17:04 - Mar 29 by daveB |
to be fair Yang was getting slaughtered last time he played so not sure him starting would have made much differrence, agree Llotyd should have started though
Doesn't matter who you pick though if you don't run, track runners, defend properly etc you lose the game and we didn't do any of those things
glad we exericed that option and tied Demble down, 3 million out of this summers budget gone already on a player who has been woeful since the first 4 games of the season |
Are there really no Moderators on this board? Somebody said something negative about Dembele. |  | | |
| That one is on Marti on 19:06 - Mar 29 with 1580 views | Rsole |
| That one is on Marti on 18:33 - Mar 29 by stainrods_elbow |
How do you know he wanted out last season? You're just making it up, aren't you?
If that were the case, why the hell did he sign a new contract? Presuambly no one was holding a gunb to his head a la Paladini? Laughable!
And if there's really no where else to take this team, what does that say about the manager, as well as the recruitment? In fact, if that's so, why have a manager at all? |
It feels like we have been here before and he’s explained himself to you before.
Lassel has also explained the situation, several times - at length.
Why would he lie ? No need, no point. Waste of effort typing the messages unless he’s trying to help us understand.
Accusing him of lying doesn’t make any sense really.
As for Marti - if someone offered you more money for an extended contract in the same job, you’d probably take it. I probably would too, regardless of whether or not you or I planned to stay.
And what would the boss say if you said no, thanks Guv. I guess they’d be highly suspicious.
It’s just more money for the time you remain in place. You could be fired tomorrow - more likely than not in football. |  |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| That one is on Marti on 19:11 - Mar 29 with 1561 views | ytt28 |
| That one is on Marti on 17:11 - Mar 29 by bosh67 |
I was dismayed when I saw the team sheet and Frey wasn't even in the squad.
We have a squad with 3 'strikers' out and Lloyd obviously not fit enough to play 90 minutes. It's a pretty bad place to be when you have 2 weeks to prepare and your one senior striker is again out completely.
I am not saying we are in trouble but we are in trouble if we can't get these players back and up and at it. |
The question is, whose decision was it to go with only 2 senior strikers this season. Was it Marti or the rookie? | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 19:14 - Mar 29 with 1549 views | connell10 |
We all knew with that starting 11 we would get beat , I'm sure we put much faith in the sport scientists at our place . Lloyd should have started no if buts or maybes. |  |
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| That one is on Marti on 19:16 - Mar 29 with 1544 views | plasmahoop |
| That one is on Marti on 18:36 - Mar 29 by stainrods_elbow |
I think seven points minus three is four, isn't it? Perhaps the only thing worse than our situation is your maths? ;-) |
If Derby win their game in hand, they would move to 41 points. Cardiff are on the same number of games played as us on 40 points, so five behind us. Hopefully Derby lose their game in hand! | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 19:33 - Mar 29 with 1458 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| That one is on Marti on 18:52 - Mar 29 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Not a lot MC could do different today, pretty much shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. Maybe Morrison starts, but we were horrible all over the pitch.
Is this the season years of mismanagement finally catches up with us? |
There was plenty Cifuentes could have done differently today in terms of who he picked, where he played them, our formation and our tactics.
Would’ve liked to have seen one of the development strikers on the bench as an option as well. |  | | |
| That one is on Marti on 19:39 - Mar 29 with 1432 views | Dorse |
| That one is on Marti on 19:14 - Mar 29 by connell10 |
We all knew with that starting 11 we would get beat , I'm sure we put much faith in the sport scientists at our place . Lloyd should have started no if buts or maybes. |
Our sports scientists come highly recommended.
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| That one is on Marti on 19:41 - Mar 29 with 1410 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| That one is on Marti on 19:06 - Mar 29 by Rsole |
It feels like we have been here before and he’s explained himself to you before.
Lassel has also explained the situation, several times - at length.
Why would he lie ? No need, no point. Waste of effort typing the messages unless he’s trying to help us understand.
Accusing him of lying doesn’t make any sense really.
As for Marti - if someone offered you more money for an extended contract in the same job, you’d probably take it. I probably would too, regardless of whether or not you or I planned to stay.
And what would the boss say if you said no, thanks Guv. I guess they’d be highly suspicious.
It’s just more money for the time you remain in place. You could be fired tomorrow - more likely than not in football. |
If you want to believe everything Lassel posts in n here is true as his missus apparently works at the Swedish club Cifuentes managed before us and therefore knows all the clearly confidential inner workings of QPR then that’s up to you. | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 19:46 - Mar 29 with 1383 views | Watford_Ranger |
| That one is on Marti on 18:55 - Mar 29 by rbee |
Are there really no Moderators on this board? Somebody said something negative about Dembele. |
I’m not sure what he’s meant to be but it certainly isn’t a centre forward. | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 19:49 - Mar 29 with 1371 views | Rangersw12 |
This all once again comes down to the recruitment. Poor squad , no pace , no striker and easy to play against.
If it wasn't for Marti then we would be already down .
Would love to know what team people would think would have got a result today because we have literally zero options and it's just moving deckchairs on the titanic. [Post edited 29 Mar 20:03]
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| That one is on Marti on 19:55 - Mar 29 with 1346 views | Mr_Beef |
| That one is on Marti on 19:33 - Mar 29 by Ned_Kennedys |
There was plenty Cifuentes could have done differently today in terms of who he picked, where he played them, our formation and our tactics.
Would’ve liked to have seen one of the development strikers on the bench as an option as well. |
Interested to hear what the plenty of things he could have done differently in terms of who he picked are? |  | | |
| That one is on Marti on 20:02 - Mar 29 with 1287 views | stainrods_elbow |
| That one is on Marti on 19:06 - Mar 29 by Rsole |
It feels like we have been here before and he’s explained himself to you before.
Lassel has also explained the situation, several times - at length.
Why would he lie ? No need, no point. Waste of effort typing the messages unless he’s trying to help us understand.
Accusing him of lying doesn’t make any sense really.
As for Marti - if someone offered you more money for an extended contract in the same job, you’d probably take it. I probably would too, regardless of whether or not you or I planned to stay.
And what would the boss say if you said no, thanks Guv. I guess they’d be highly suspicious.
It’s just more money for the time you remain in place. You could be fired tomorrow - more likely than not in football. |
Ah, so he's truly ITK then!?
Except I don't think he - or anyone on this messageboard (which the club currently doesn't even speak to, sadly) is! Your attempt to patronise me for failing to understand/accept what's been 'explained' to me doesn't change anything, so I'll treat you as you've treated me and suggest you run along. Here's a tip: using the royal/rhetorical 'we' when (like everyone here, and everyone who's ever been) you're an individual speaking on your own behalf, no more and no less, is a bit of a giveaway.
If/when MC doesn't leave at the end of the season, presumably this Lassel character'll come on here to eat a generous slice of humble pie! [Post edited 29 Mar 20:06]
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| That one is on Marti on 20:08 - Mar 29 with 1285 views | rbee |
| That one is on Marti on 17:46 - Mar 29 by DeanoMD |
Does anyone know why he refuses to start with Morrison? |
I think the bigger question now is why Morrison is occupying a space on the substitutes bench when there is no intention of playing him?
It's very easy to criticise Marti with hindsight as the game unravels and post-match. Before the game I looked at the team sheet and tried to be positive, I said that with discipline and being up for the fight we could get something. Silly me.
As daveB, so often the voice of reason, pointed out our game plan went out the window when Frey became unavailable but nevertheless Marti deserves some criticism tonight along with the players.
I am guessing that Dembele was originally destined to start from the bench and if that is the case all Marti did, when learning that Frey was unavailable, was to replace him with Dembele. A mistake if true.
There are probably a couple of ways Marti could have done better today. Firstly, attempt to park the bus and prevent Stoke from scoring and frustrate the home fans, adjust accordingly depending on the score as the game comes to an end.
There isn't a midweek game so secondly, ignore the sports scientists, who haven't had the best of seasons (!) and start with Lloyd and Morrison whilst finding a place for Edwards in the midfield.
Marti should know everything about his squad by now so he should be picking the players that will give him the maximum effort which brings me on to Lucas Andersen.
I have mostly kept quiet this season as the criticism has rained down upon Andersen mainly because I loved the guy so much last season. His goals, his assists but also his work rate was immense last season, during his early games for the club he literally covered every blade of grass. What has happened to Lucas Andersen? Something certainly has! More importantly why is Marti playing Lucas Andersen when he gave the performance today that we all expected. | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 20:22 - Mar 29 with 1173 views | stainrods_elbow |
| That one is on Marti on 20:08 - Mar 29 by rbee |
I think the bigger question now is why Morrison is occupying a space on the substitutes bench when there is no intention of playing him?
It's very easy to criticise Marti with hindsight as the game unravels and post-match. Before the game I looked at the team sheet and tried to be positive, I said that with discipline and being up for the fight we could get something. Silly me.
As daveB, so often the voice of reason, pointed out our game plan went out the window when Frey became unavailable but nevertheless Marti deserves some criticism tonight along with the players.
I am guessing that Dembele was originally destined to start from the bench and if that is the case all Marti did, when learning that Frey was unavailable, was to replace him with Dembele. A mistake if true.
There are probably a couple of ways Marti could have done better today. Firstly, attempt to park the bus and prevent Stoke from scoring and frustrate the home fans, adjust accordingly depending on the score as the game comes to an end.
There isn't a midweek game so secondly, ignore the sports scientists, who haven't had the best of seasons (!) and start with Lloyd and Morrison whilst finding a place for Edwards in the midfield.
Marti should know everything about his squad by now so he should be picking the players that will give him the maximum effort which brings me on to Lucas Andersen.
I have mostly kept quiet this season as the criticism has rained down upon Andersen mainly because I loved the guy so much last season. His goals, his assists but also his work rate was immense last season, during his early games for the club he literally covered every blade of grass. What has happened to Lucas Andersen? Something certainly has! More importantly why is Marti playing Lucas Andersen when he gave the performance today that we all expected. |
And then replacing him with Madsen! If that's the answer, the person asking the question must be mentally ill! | |
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| That one is on Marti on 20:23 - Mar 29 with 1191 views | Rsole |
| That one is on Marti on 20:02 - Mar 29 by stainrods_elbow |
Ah, so he's truly ITK then!?
Except I don't think he - or anyone on this messageboard (which the club currently doesn't even speak to, sadly) is! Your attempt to patronise me for failing to understand/accept what's been 'explained' to me doesn't change anything, so I'll treat you as you've treated me and suggest you run along. Here's a tip: using the royal/rhetorical 'we' when (like everyone here, and everyone who's ever been) you're an individual speaking on your own behalf, no more and no less, is a bit of a giveaway.
If/when MC doesn't leave at the end of the season, presumably this Lassel character'll come on here to eat a generous slice of humble pie! [Post edited 29 Mar 20:06]
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Take it as you want, it’s your prerogative.
People have opinions - as you often point out. Fair enough, it’s a fans’ forum after all and everyone sees things differently.
My post was really very simple - why would anyone post something just to lie ? It serves no benefit to them and all they are doing is sharing something we don’t hear from the club.
You can believe it or ignore it.
It might be right, it could be wrong and you can decide whatever you want, but it’s pretty shitty to call someone a liar because it doesn’t suit your agenda - unless you can specifically refute it. | |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| That one is on Marti on 20:25 - Mar 29 with 1176 views | rbee |
| That one is on Marti on 18:52 - Mar 29 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Not a lot MC could do different today, pretty much shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. Maybe Morrison starts, but we were horrible all over the pitch.
Is this the season years of mismanagement finally catches up with us? |
Yes I think there are a couple of things Marti could have tried.
I think we will be ok this season, grabbing a few more points combined with three teams below us being worse.
When the dust settles on this season and most, if not all, of the out of contract players have walked away what we are left with is embarrasing.
I think next season will be the season that years of mismanagement finally catches up with us. | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 20:26 - Mar 29 with 1165 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| That one is on Marti on 19:55 - Mar 29 by Mr_Beef |
Interested to hear what the plenty of things he could have done differently in terms of who he picked are? |
I'm pretty much the same.
If - and we don't know, of course - Lloyd didn't have a full game in him, then maybe he could have started him and see how long he lasted?
The other position of worry was Anderson on the left, clearly out of form, and now out of position as well. Maybe Smyth to the left and Min-hyeok to the right? But then that affects the set-pieces.
One to sleep on. |  |
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| That one is on Marti on 20:29 - Mar 29 with 1147 views | Rangersw12 |
| That one is on Marti on 20:25 - Mar 29 by rbee |
Yes I think there are a couple of things Marti could have tried.
I think we will be ok this season, grabbing a few more points combined with three teams below us being worse.
When the dust settles on this season and most, if not all, of the out of contract players have walked away what we are left with is embarrasing.
I think next season will be the season that years of mismanagement finally catches up with us. |
"Yes I think there are a couple of things Marti could have tried."
like ? | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 20:32 - Mar 29 with 1132 views | rbee |
| That one is on Marti on 20:29 - Mar 29 by Rangersw12 |
"Yes I think there are a couple of things Marti could have tried."
like ? |
Mentioned in my larger post above. I am not saying my suggestions would have reaped rewards but there were other options available to Marti. | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 20:34 - Mar 29 with 1120 views | Mr_Beef |
| That one is on Marti on 20:26 - Mar 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
I'm pretty much the same.
If - and we don't know, of course - Lloyd didn't have a full game in him, then maybe he could have started him and see how long he lasted?
The other position of worry was Anderson on the left, clearly out of form, and now out of position as well. Maybe Smyth to the left and Min-hyeok to the right? But then that affects the set-pieces.
One to sleep on. |
Fair points, Brian, but t arguably shuffling the decks and probably likely to get the same result.
It's hard to see many combinations of the starting eleven and that bench getting much against the majority of this division. | | | |
| That one is on Marti on 20:34 - Mar 29 with 1121 views | mart_Goblin |
| That one is on Marti on 20:26 - Mar 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
I'm pretty much the same.
If - and we don't know, of course - Lloyd didn't have a full game in him, then maybe he could have started him and see how long he lasted?
The other position of worry was Anderson on the left, clearly out of form, and now out of position as well. Maybe Smyth to the left and Min-hyeok to the right? But then that affects the set-pieces.
One to sleep on. |
You make a couple of good points Brian but ultimately, with the aptitude and desire as a team today we would have got beaten no matter how MC set us up.
We don’t have the strength in depth , quality or desire .
And Marti must take his fair share of blame for motivation, plans of action etc. no where near it .
See Fox in an interview just now telling the fans to “stick with us”
We will of course, but all very well in 7 games time when you are off, and us poor sods are watching whoever remains of this carcass in league 1.
The club is a shambles. |  | | |
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