| 20 team divisions 11:38 - Dec 1 with 3390 views | loftboy |
Seen this banded about this week a few times, got me thinking ( dangerous I know) but turn the EFL into 4 divisions of 20, would give 8 national league teams league status, still have 3 up and 3 down.
Would reduce the number of midweek games and probably make the whole thing a bit more exciting. |  |
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| 20 team divisions on 19:06 - Dec 1 with 1224 views | derbyhoop |
Can L1/L2 clubs afford to.lose the revenue from 4 home games per season.. it's not like the PL where spectators are trivial part of total revenue. |  |
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| 20 team divisions on 19:47 - Dec 1 with 1167 views | loftboy |
| 20 team divisions on 19:06 - Dec 1 by derbyhoop |
Can L1/L2 clubs afford to.lose the revenue from 4 home games per season.. it's not like the PL where spectators are trivial part of total revenue. |
You’d think that midweek games are run at a loss for most in L2? | |
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| 20 team divisions on 20:14 - Dec 1 with 1137 views | Myke |
They do this already in some of those far off, impossible to get to places - like the Premier League |  | | |
| 20 team divisions on 20:43 - Dec 1 with 1106 views | slmrstid |
I'd be in favour of 20 team leagues, although I'd like to see our season tickets be a bit cheaper as a result!
And if we want to keep midweek under the lights magic...move league games to Friday nights. Keeps the whole weekend free then.
Sorted! Where's my consultancy fee? That'll be £275,000 please. |  | | |
| 20 team divisions on 22:01 - Dec 1 with 1034 views | wombat |
| 20 team divisions on 11:58 - Dec 1 by PlanetHonneywood |
Yeah, way to risky!
I don't think loftboy has thought this through fully, and the implications of perpetually sh1tting yourself for 38 games, each and every time the oppo crosses the halfway line. |
I do that most games ,the joys of old age I suppose |  |
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| 20 team divisions on 09:05 - Dec 2 with 886 views | francisbowles |
Reducing matches means less revenue. Matches may run at a loss but the club needs the income to pay the players.
The PFA isn't going to agree to a reduction in salaries for it's members and neither are managers and coaches.
How about trialing something far simpler. If you are away in midweek and the following Saturday, you play on Tuesday. You then get longer to recover from getting back at silly o'clock on Wednesday morning. | | | |
| 20 team divisions on 09:07 - Dec 2 with 883 views | TheChef |
| 20 team divisions on 15:56 - Dec 1 by KensalT |
I'm not saying midweek games are the scapegoats. But more midweek games mean less recovery time for players - who are running and sprinting a lot more in matches since the introduction of five subs.
The number of international breaks are part of the problem.
And if we did reduce to a 20 team Championship the TV companies and football bodies would just create more or bigger international tournaments. So I don't think a smaller league would even benefit the players.
And the point has already been made on this thread that the clubs won't like it either. Fewer games will mean lost matchday revenues.
The clubs would probably end up agreeing to even more live televised games at all sorts of crazy times just to make up those losses. Forcing fans to put up with even more travelling problems and short-notice rescheduling of fixtures.
So in the end who really benefits from a smaller Championship? |
I mean do people think the quality will improve with less teams?? 
It's a 46-game season goat rodeo, let's just enjoy it for what it is; and the fact that it's not the Prem and hasn't been ruined by VAR (yet...). |  |
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| 20 team divisions on 09:38 - Dec 2 with 853 views | terryb |
| 20 team divisions on 09:05 - Dec 2 by francisbowles |
Reducing matches means less revenue. Matches may run at a loss but the club needs the income to pay the players.
The PFA isn't going to agree to a reduction in salaries for it's members and neither are managers and coaches.
How about trialing something far simpler. If you are away in midweek and the following Saturday, you play on Tuesday. You then get longer to recover from getting back at silly o'clock on Wednesday morning. |
Good luck in getting Sky to agree to the clubs/league deciding who plays on Tuesday & Wednesday! | | | |
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| 20 team divisions on 10:34 - Dec 2 with 810 views | francisbowles |
| 20 team divisions on 09:38 - Dec 2 by terryb |
Good luck in getting Sky to agree to the clubs/league deciding who plays on Tuesday & Wednesday! |
Yes, Terryb. I get that. However, something needs to change and they should still be able to get a reasonable mix on both nights. It doesn't have to apply to those who are away Saturday first as they should be back at a more reasonable time. Some fatigue, from three game weeks, is inevitable but some is avoidable.
It's just the extra fatigue, caused by finishing the 'night shift' on Thursday morning and back on the coach early Friday afternoon, that needs to be resolved. It's virtually impossible to rest properly and recover in that scenario, which seems to be rostered to some teams on multiple occasions. | | | |
| 20 team divisions on 11:27 - Dec 2 with 753 views | Bluce_Ree |
Less football is a good thing. Football's fking shit at the moment. Reducing the burden on fans' time is the merciful thing to do. |  |
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| 20 team divisions on 11:44 - Dec 2 with 723 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
On the finances of losing four games, wouldn't the TV and prize money be compressed if the leagues are shrunk? |  | | |
| 20 team divisions on 13:09 - Dec 2 with 660 views | James_Paddocks |
Midweek games are often played out in front of freezing, half-empty stadiums, in near total silence.
Added to the fact, most people have work, school etc in the morning.
They're a pain in the arse, and mostly dogsh!t. Get them binned. |  | | |
| 20 team divisions on 13:22 - Dec 2 with 644 views | TheChef |
| 20 team divisions on 13:09 - Dec 2 by James_Paddocks |
Midweek games are often played out in front of freezing, half-empty stadiums, in near total silence.
Added to the fact, most people have work, school etc in the morning.
They're a pain in the arse, and mostly dogsh!t. Get them binned. |
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| 20 team divisions on 13:35 - Dec 2 with 623 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| 20 team divisions on 13:09 - Dec 2 by James_Paddocks |
Midweek games are often played out in front of freezing, half-empty stadiums, in near total silence.
Added to the fact, most people have work, school etc in the morning.
They're a pain in the arse, and mostly dogsh!t. Get them binned. |
Can we bin weekend games too? |  |
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| 20 team divisions on 14:10 - Dec 2 with 573 views | TwoHalves |
| 20 team divisions on 11:27 - Dec 2 by Bluce_Ree |
Less football is a good thing. Football's fking shit at the moment. Reducing the burden on fans' time is the merciful thing to do. |
Less football is a good thing? I think I have the solution … more time-wasting! I didn’t get where I am today etc … | | | |
| 20 team divisions on 15:37 - Dec 2 with 503 views | kensalriser |
| 20 team divisions on 13:35 - Dec 2 by BrianMcCarthy |
Can we bin weekend games too? |
By jove, you could be on to something here. It would be like summer all year round and QPR will never lose again. |  |
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| 20 team divisions on 15:46 - Dec 2 with 490 views | derbyhoop |
| 20 team divisions on 11:44 - Dec 2 by BazzaInTheLoft |
On the finances of losing four games, wouldn't the TV and prize money be compressed if the leagues are shrunk? |
Almost certainly.
Which would be another hit to the revenue streams of L1/L2 clubs.
Morecambe drew a massive 2,231 for their last midweek game in National League
Accrington 659 for Port Vale on a Tuesday.
It's peanuts but 659 at £20 (about £1400) must be close to a weeks wages for a L2 Squad | |
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| 20 team divisions on 17:59 - Dec 2 with 435 views | loftboy |
| 20 team divisions on 15:46 - Dec 2 by derbyhoop |
Almost certainly.
Which would be another hit to the revenue streams of L1/L2 clubs.
Morecambe drew a massive 2,231 for their last midweek game in National League
Accrington 659 for Port Vale on a Tuesday.
It's peanuts but 659 at £20 (about £1400) must be close to a weeks wages for a L2 Squad |
Are you saying players in league 2 are on less than £100 a week?
Players in the isthmian league get more than that. | |
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| 20 team divisions on 18:04 - Dec 2 with 422 views | OldPedro |
| 20 team divisions on 15:46 - Dec 2 by derbyhoop |
Almost certainly.
Which would be another hit to the revenue streams of L1/L2 clubs.
Morecambe drew a massive 2,231 for their last midweek game in National League
Accrington 659 for Port Vale on a Tuesday.
It's peanuts but 659 at £20 (about £1400) must be close to a weeks wages for a L2 Squad |
It would be interesting to know how much it costs clubs to put on a midweek game, to see what size of crowd is the break-even point especially with the cost of electricity at the moment. |  |
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| 20 team divisions on 18:33 - Dec 2 with 389 views | plasmahoop |
| 20 team divisions on 12:09 - Dec 1 by Konk |
Germany is obviously a much larger country with potentially greater distances to travel for a lot of sides. Regionalising league is fine until you get a situation where you have someone like Gloucester or Bishops Stortford having to play in a Northern division.
I think I'd support 5 divisions with 20 clubs. It's certainly time to address the unfair situation with promotion from the National league. |
I take your point, and I remember bishops Stortford being in that division. But at the moment it's a bit ridiculous for Truro or Torquay to travel to Gateshead or vice versa.
Some of the teams like Fleetwood or Newport only have 75 fans for their long trek away games, and regionalisation would make sense to me | | | |
| 20 team divisions on 18:56 - Dec 2 with 371 views | Sharpediver |
| 20 team divisions on 12:43 - Dec 1 by BazzaInTheLoft |
True, Germany is larger geographically but getting around the country is easier (when DB works) so that should be taken into account. I might be wrong but I think the regionalised teams get subsidised travel from the state? Would just take some political will maybe.
The Gloucester / BS situation wouldn't happen or would be lessened if the regionals were split into three or four rather than two.
If the worry is a distribution of quality I'd say there there are big teams in step 3 / 7th divisions that would do ok in the national League / League two facilitates wise.
I've been to Folkestone, Dartford, and Dulwich Hamlet recently. They could easily be mistaken for League Two clubs in some ways.
The Bazzat Plan:
Premiership (20 Teams)
Championship
(20 Teams / 3 Down)
League One
(20 Teams / 3 Up / 3 Down)
League Two
(20 teams / 3 Up / 3 Down)
League Three
(20 teams / 3 Up / 3 Down)
Northern League I Midlands League I Southern League
(20 teams each / 1 up each)*
*Relegated team league allocation based on geographical position.
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I follow Slough Town - National League South (Joint division 6 with National League North) I like the idea of North, Midlands and Southern sections as this would reduce travel, boost crowds and stop the ridiculous type of situation where Oxford City play in National League North etc.
On the other hand Baz, I don't think your plan would go down well with clubs in either of these Leagues as we would all be effectively split into 3 divisions with only one promotion place up for grabs each season. Currently, the two leagues at this level have 2 promotion places (one automatic, one play off winners place ) and this is felt by many to be too limited, hence the recent '3 up' campaign at non league level where clubs kicked off at 3.03 pm to publicise the issue. One promotion spot would cause even more of a glut of well funded, full time clubs chasing too few opportunities to rise higher. Surely, more promotion opportunities (as well as the relegation liabilities this would entail) would increase excitement and competitiveness?
It's positive that there is discussion on making all Leagues below the Premiership more exciting, competitive and attractive though. More and more people I meet at non League level are converts from the higher levels or like me, switch between the two. Non League is definitely a big growth area and it's good to see more and more younger fans in particular coming to games. Its much more affordable and sociable than trying to follow football teams in the Prem for example. [Post edited 2 Dec 18:58]
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| 20 team divisions on 21:23 - Dec 2 with 269 views | slmrstid |
| 20 team divisions on 15:46 - Dec 2 by derbyhoop |
Almost certainly.
Which would be another hit to the revenue streams of L1/L2 clubs.
Morecambe drew a massive 2,231 for their last midweek game in National League
Accrington 659 for Port Vale on a Tuesday.
It's peanuts but 659 at £20 (about £1400) must be close to a weeks wages for a L2 Squad |
The Accrington fixture was in the Football League Trophy though rather than a League match, a competition pretty much everyone (other than those 659 hardy souls...) have boycotted these days unless they stumble their way to the final and get a day out at Wembley, so its not the best example of midweek attendances for League clubs. | | | |
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