| Esquerdinha and his usage 09:12 - Dec 30 with 1368 views | stevec |
Think the consensus is, not ready for this level and inclined to agree.
Horrible stats; 7 games, 2 wins, 5 defeats, goals for 10, goals against 20!
That said, I’d question how the manager is using him, he’s been flung into many games where, if anywhere in this league, there was a fair chance we could get a proper spanking.
We’ve got RND who looks the part, why play the young lad at Coventry, Boro, WBA, Ipswich?
He should be out on loan, hard to see what he’s gaining from this other than an inferiority complex. |  | | |  |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 09:17 - Dec 30 with 1312 views | francisbowles |
He should be but we have been short of options at lb.
I can't see that changing until we have two fit left backs in front of him. Realistically that's not happening until Larkeche is fit. |  | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 09:20 - Dec 30 with 1291 views | DaBurgh |
I want to like the guy but I agree he does not look ready for this level. Also the tippy tappy between him and Morrison yesterday was an accident waiting to happen. |  |
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 09:30 - Dec 30 with 1209 views | lassel |
We are neither going up nor down so he should be playing every week and learning on the job with RND filling in on 3 game weeks.
Horrendously mismanaged as per usual from this leadership. | | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 09:31 - Dec 30 with 1197 views | Lblock |
I think this lad has the total opposite of an inferiority complex - someone said he has Ashby vibes about him and I agree.
My view also is that he’s a wing back so not really suited to the current style.
The ACL to Laka on the eve of the season was a choker for the club and him but should’ve been a real opportunity for Esquerdinha…… sadly so far he’s not grasped it.
In fact, my feeling is he’ll be gone in the summer
(Whispers out of the club fuel my feelings) |  |
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 09:33 - Dec 30 with 1192 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 09:31 - Dec 30 by Lblock |
I think this lad has the total opposite of an inferiority complex - someone said he has Ashby vibes about him and I agree.
My view also is that he’s a wing back so not really suited to the current style.
The ACL to Laka on the eve of the season was a choker for the club and him but should’ve been a real opportunity for Esquerdinha…… sadly so far he’s not grasped it.
In fact, my feeling is he’ll be gone in the summer
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:25 - Dec 30 with 1009 views | bosh67 |
There is definitely something there but totally agree he needs a proper loan out in League 1 to get up to speed and get pro minutes. I'm not so sure that he's possibly a better flat out left winger than a left back. We'll see but a loan is very much what he needs. |  |
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:32 - Dec 30 with 985 views | daveB |
As a club we can't bang on about the development club and then when we have a promising kid never pick him.
No issue at all with him playing last night and he did fine, neither brilliant or awful. I hope he ends up getting another 5-10 games before the end of the season
I'd much rather we made those changes last night than in the FA Cup |  | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:35 - Dec 30 with 968 views | JPC |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:32 - Dec 30 by daveB |
As a club we can't bang on about the development club and then when we have a promising kid never pick him.
No issue at all with him playing last night and he did fine, neither brilliant or awful. I hope he ends up getting another 5-10 games before the end of the season
I'd much rather we made those changes last night than in the FA Cup |
Agreed - although I thought he was poor, I think he needs a chance of a run of games, even as sub - dropping him in for the odd away game when half the team is rotated and the shape is changed can’t do much for his confidence | | | |
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:39 - Dec 30 with 954 views | baz_qpr |
Yeah I thought he was fine no worse than Morgan at right back, really not helped by Saito having a stinker in front of him and Morrison on his left. In the Premier cup final he and Morgan were head and shoulders the best players on the pitch. Is only going to improve with minutes, if its not with us then we will have to get another LB on loan who could be just as raw. |  | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:39 - Dec 30 with 953 views | FDC |
Happy to see him get some game time, but first half we seemed to be playing out from the back through him a lot, which exacerbated his tendency to take daft risks and turn into trouble a lot. |  | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:53 - Dec 30 with 884 views | mart_Goblin |
I think the OP makes the point I was thinking about last night after the match , that it’s not him playing which is the problem but when he plays , which seems to be damaging him.
When I think back to the barnstorming , energetic, very naive of course but ultimately encouraging appearance in the first game of the season against Preston, (caveat as well is that Preston played without wingers ) I see a young player who looks to have gone into his shell somewhat.
Watching him in the DS I saw a player full of confidence who based his whole game on getting forward , jumping in and intercepting passes to his direct opponent and moving the team
In the other direction.
Now , as said before he is a wing back to begin with which means he struggles in a back 4 .
But I do wonder if his confidence has been badly damaged by the games he’s been thrown into at certain times . Last night is understandable (having players at the club who can’t play 3 matches in a week , Cook, RnD , JCS obviously is doing my nut in but it’s another discussion) but giving him the protection and guidance of a severely out of form and non competitive Saito in front and a rusty and potentially confidence damaged Morrison next to him is just setting him up for failure in my opinion.
He severely lacks pace which will always be a problem but there is a player there . I just think he’s been used pretty badly by the management and thrown in at times where he hasn’t really been given a chance of expressing himself .
I think he has so much to learn about so much of his game and our game, that this 1 game in 10 , then not even on the bench for 6 weeks is doing him no favours whatsoever.
Get him out on loan and get a left back in who can play regularly if RND is going back to Sheffield . |  | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:53 - Dec 30 with 884 views | simmo |
He's not good enough for the Championship, miles off in fact, but there's been too much focus on individual performances last night. There were some absolute stinkers - but the performance and result is completely at the managers door.
Esq shouldn't be playing, it should be Field as backup to RND. He especially shouldn't have been asked to play in a makeshift back 4 that is 75% changed from 3 days ago alongside Morrison, neither of which have played a minute of football for weeks on end,
The fact you decide to / have to rest RND and choose to play his best replacement in Field as a fckin striker instead of the multiple more natural attacking options, all so you can stubbornly stick to your 2 'striker' system, has absolutely fried my brain. |  |
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:03 - Dec 30 with 816 views | 7374Ranger |
He needs to go out on loan in January to play against men and not boys in the development team (the old football combination league would have solved that problem).
QPR should look to sign another left back in January.
I said to family before the game started when showed the line up that Esquerdinha would be a weak link as he was against Ipswich. The kid is clearly not ready for Championship football. | | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:04 - Dec 30 with 812 views | Loyalitat |
I believe that Esquerdinha has been touted by the development PR machine as the next cab off the rank. If that be the case, then he is way short of the two that figured prominently in the championship for us last season and in a far more pressurised environment: Kolli and Morgan.
When played in their best positions, they remain the only two real prospects from that crop of players and the powers-that-be need to accept that and focus on further developing these two, as they are the stand-outs.
It's one thing making errors, but last night and against Ipswich, once beaten, Esquerdinha appeared to lack the recovery speed required to at least attempt to make a recovery tackle or commit a foul. I'd be surprised if a League 1 team were to be interested in him and agree to playing him regularly, as that is a tough and physical league. [Post edited 30 Dec 11:42]
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:05 - Dec 30 with 810 views | QPROslo |
I thought Esquerdinha was ok last night. Don't remember him doing much wrong defensively and did well getting forward out wide on occasion. He was a bit better than Morgan on the right. | | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:14 - Dec 30 with 769 views | daveB |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:53 - Dec 30 by simmo |
He's not good enough for the Championship, miles off in fact, but there's been too much focus on individual performances last night. There were some absolute stinkers - but the performance and result is completely at the managers door.
Esq shouldn't be playing, it should be Field as backup to RND. He especially shouldn't have been asked to play in a makeshift back 4 that is 75% changed from 3 days ago alongside Morrison, neither of which have played a minute of football for weeks on end,
The fact you decide to / have to rest RND and choose to play his best replacement in Field as a fckin striker instead of the multiple more natural attacking options, all so you can stubbornly stick to your 2 'striker' system, has absolutely fried my brain. |
didn 't Field play a very similar role at Oxford away last season and did quite well, think he scored. I can see why he played him there to try and press from the front and keep the two in midfield together. Frey has shown time and time again he can't do that anymore and Kolli is coming back from injury. Options were pretty limited
I think the way the fixtures fell this week he had to make a few changes in one of the games, for me the game came down to two moments, Poku hits the bar with a good chance and we defend a set piece poorly. That was the main difference, game could have gone either way really even with the team he picked. We actually got a lot worse when he brought the regulars on in the last 20 mins. | | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:21 - Dec 30 with 727 views | BklynRanger |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 10:53 - Dec 30 by simmo |
He's not good enough for the Championship, miles off in fact, but there's been too much focus on individual performances last night. There were some absolute stinkers - but the performance and result is completely at the managers door.
Esq shouldn't be playing, it should be Field as backup to RND. He especially shouldn't have been asked to play in a makeshift back 4 that is 75% changed from 3 days ago alongside Morrison, neither of which have played a minute of football for weeks on end,
The fact you decide to / have to rest RND and choose to play his best replacement in Field as a fckin striker instead of the multiple more natural attacking options, all so you can stubbornly stick to your 2 'striker' system, has absolutely fried my brain. |
I think that's all fair enough. The main problem I have with how we played though is we actually seemee too focused on the fact that it's 4 games in 9 or 10 days.
Field has height, so if you're playing him up there try and hit him and build from further up the pitch.
Instead it was all about moving forward slowly and deliberately in some sort of crab formation, backwards of square until everyone has got over the halfway line while staying in the green zone on their heart monitors, managing their load and thinking about the 4 games in terms of 12 points rather then what's right in front of them.
Why not have a decent go at them, press high, work at a higher rate and rotate a winning team as needed?
It all looked over thought, other than the lack of thinking where players who were having an off night should've been subbed for their replacements - Saito and Kone seemed the most obvious to me. |  | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:46 - Dec 30 with 639 views | simmo |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:14 - Dec 30 by daveB |
didn 't Field play a very similar role at Oxford away last season and did quite well, think he scored. I can see why he played him there to try and press from the front and keep the two in midfield together. Frey has shown time and time again he can't do that anymore and Kolli is coming back from injury. Options were pretty limited
I think the way the fixtures fell this week he had to make a few changes in one of the games, for me the game came down to two moments, Poku hits the bar with a good chance and we defend a set piece poorly. That was the main difference, game could have gone either way really even with the team he picked. We actually got a lot worse when he brought the regulars on in the last 20 mins. |
Playing as an advanced / pressing central midfielder, as Field did effectively against Oxford, is completely different to how he was asked to play here, which was essentially a direct replacement for Burrell but without us playing direct or into channels like we do when RB plays.
If he wasn't going like for like replacement with Frey, he could have easily put Dembele in the 10, or even had Smyth as the 2nd striker. It would have also meant Field could play LB or replaced Varane, who has needed a break for weeks.
I was quietly pleased when I saw all the personnel changes, wondered if we were trying a back 3 /.wing back system, or maybe a 433. In the end it was the exact same system as always but with completely the wrong players filling the gaps. Mind boggling shít that smells a little of the away day bonus game mentality | |
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:58 - Dec 30 with 591 views | Pdog |
From what I’ve seen so far he lacks the pace and physicality for the Champ, 2 key attributes in this league. On the ball going forward his technique is mostly quite good, but teams get at him the other way too easily and it often leads to conceding chances.
Last night that 1-2 which led to the corner should have been seen coming a mile off. He was totally out of the game, made up minimal recovery ground, and JD had to come across to sweep up.
That said, how can we really expect a lad from the DS to be Championship ready in 5-10 games. Very few are. But at the very least you want mistakes kept to a minimum while showing some signs of progression.
Agree he needs exposure to men’s football on loan, but where, National League South? I fear his pace and lack of physicality will always be the main issue. We also have another LB in the DS (Brew?) who looks to have more of those attributes. If it doesn’t work out, I can see him being pushed ahead of Esquerdinha next season as the young prospect option. |  | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 12:14 - Dec 30 with 515 views | daveB |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 11:46 - Dec 30 by simmo |
Playing as an advanced / pressing central midfielder, as Field did effectively against Oxford, is completely different to how he was asked to play here, which was essentially a direct replacement for Burrell but without us playing direct or into channels like we do when RB plays.
If he wasn't going like for like replacement with Frey, he could have easily put Dembele in the 10, or even had Smyth as the 2nd striker. It would have also meant Field could play LB or replaced Varane, who has needed a break for weeks.
I was quietly pleased when I saw all the personnel changes, wondered if we were trying a back 3 /.wing back system, or maybe a 433. In the end it was the exact same system as always but with completely the wrong players filling the gaps. Mind boggling shít that smells a little of the away day bonus game mentality |
I don't think Dembele or Smyth are ideal either in that position. Burrell is such a unique player for us we have no one else like him. Field was able to drop back in midfield when needed as well. It didn't work but I still don't think the team he picked was that bad given the circumstances.
It all came down to a couple of mistakes at set pieces and the impact subs having no impact at all when they came on | | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 13:44 - Dec 30 with 257 views | aston_hoop |
On full backs, have the club decided Adamson is a write-off? his performances in pre-season were pretty concerning and he hasn't had a look in since. We had a teenage central midfielder starting again at RB last night while he doesn't make the squad |  |
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| Esquerdinha and his usage on 15:04 - Dec 30 with 95 views | mart_Goblin |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 13:44 - Dec 30 by aston_hoop |
On full backs, have the club decided Adamson is a write-off? his performances in pre-season were pretty concerning and he hasn't had a look in since. We had a teenage central midfielder starting again at RB last night while he doesn't make the squad |
Yes I think you could say that Adamson isn’t ready and where the club thought he’d be .
If you remember , he came on in the 1st game of the season and was one of the players RESTED in the carabao cup nonsense at Plymouth, so the club must have thought he’d be a squad regular at that point .
I still believe , only my opinion , that Esquerdina is the next tick on Nourry’s CV .
I think he might be asking the same questions that we are about how he has been used . | | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 15:14 - Dec 30 with 81 views | Northernr |
I agree you can't just take a Brazilian teenage full back, new to the country and level, sling him in once in a blue moon against bloody Ipswich or away to West Brom and expect that to go well. So I would question his usage too.
But, again trying not to be cruel to a young player, he looks a long way shy of this level at the moment to me.
Adamson... said it at the time, smelt a bit like Hevertton Santos to me. I'm really not sure what our fascination with the Australian A-League is. |  | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 15:17 - Dec 30 with 64 views | mynameisjoe |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 15:14 - Dec 30 by Northernr |
I agree you can't just take a Brazilian teenage full back, new to the country and level, sling him in once in a blue moon against bloody Ipswich or away to West Brom and expect that to go well. So I would question his usage too.
But, again trying not to be cruel to a young player, he looks a long way shy of this level at the moment to me.
Adamson... said it at the time, smelt a bit like Hevertton Santos to me. I'm really not sure what our fascination with the Australian A-League is. |
Don’t they have the A league plastered all over the Retexo website?
Cheddar. | | | |
| Esquerdinha and his usage on 15:25 - Dec 30 with 29 views | EN_Ranger |
Esquerdinha played quite well at Bristol City earlier this season, I would think he’s ok as back up left back learning his trade, but as others have said - just throwing him in randomly in random back 4s at random away games isn’t going to help.
Get him a loan, but let’s not write him off just yet - everyone looked crap last night | | | |
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