| Burrel out until March 12:16 - Jan 8 with 8846 views | loftboy |
Chance for Kolli to shine. |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 11:13 - Jan 9 with 1425 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Burrel out until March on 12:48 - Jan 8 by Wegerles_Stairs |
I agree that Poku and his repeated hamstring injury is a real worry. I just hope that JC-S doesn't have an extension clause as his body is just not suited to a professional athlete unfortunately. We need Chair back ASAP. |
if Edwards is incoming, JCS should/will probably be outgoing. He's played 60 games in 3.5 years, and can't go on. In my view, the club should be taking a view of it, and offering him terms ot cancel his contract. Perhaps he can kickstart his career at a lower level. It's a shame, as he's talented of course. |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 11:15 - Jan 9 with 1455 views | 1JD |
| Burrel out until March on 09:50 - Jan 9 by wombat |
its something the owners will be hopefully aware of and be asking questions , its two season now and same injuires every week , yes all clubs get them but a lot of ours are the same injuries to the same players , do we look outside the box for a solution ? if it down to williams being a very very good fitness guru for cycling not grasping the diff for a footballer and doing a one style fits all scenario ?
our record of hamstring inuires wont help the long term project they are trying to achive and sell on players for profit thats for sure. |
Well, football is not a “slow burn” sport is it?
Every game is played at the maximum, for 3 points, since game week 1. It’s an explosive, dynamic fitness.
Its not an endurance burn, like Cycling, where you start slow and steadily build
And finish strongly.
So it’s hardly a surprise we are getting all these injuries. Cycling fitness is completely different to football fitness and applying the same core principles is nuts. But it’s the classic Dunning-Kruger effect being played out by Williams. |  | | |
| Burrel out until March on 11:17 - Jan 9 with 1441 views | QPunkR |
| Burrel out until March on 14:18 - Jan 8 by DieByYourSide |
Keeping Burrell on the pitch v Leicester when we were 4-0 up at HT utter madness. |
I said it at the time, JS should have used that opportunity to make multiple subs at HT. Even we weren't able to balls up that game, Leicester were that far off it. But most important was to remove Burrell - the guy just doesn't stop sprinting for 90+ minutes and we flogged him into the fkng ground. |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 12:23 - Jan 9 with 1321 views | Dorse |
| Burrel out until March on 11:17 - Jan 9 by QPunkR |
I said it at the time, JS should have used that opportunity to make multiple subs at HT. Even we weren't able to balls up that game, Leicester were that far off it. But most important was to remove Burrell - the guy just doesn't stop sprinting for 90+ minutes and we flogged him into the fkng ground. |
'Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.'
Bullet Tooth Tony, Snatch (2000).
You saw it coming. I saw it coming. There are tribes, as yet undiscovered in the heart of the Amazonian rainforest, who saw it coming. And yet, here we are. Again.
We are CURSED, I tells ya. |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 12:32 - Jan 9 with 1302 views | kensalriser |
| Burrel out until March on 02:09 - Jan 9 by EN_Ranger |
Mental how modern footballers get injured just from playing every week nowadays |
I'd call that an improvement - Matty Rose used to get injured without playing at all. |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 12:43 - Jan 9 with 1260 views | mikeyhg |
| Burrel out until March on 13:08 - Jan 8 by Beckenhamhoop |
I’m confused … are we blaming the pitch or Ben Williams this week for the injuries? Just wanna get on board with the currant perceived wisdom. Thanks.
Everyone was moaning about not having an injury update, now they’ve got one and it’s given them another opportunity to moan like drains. As someone recently said on this forum, ‘Misery loves company’. |
It would be nice if the updates were relatively accurate. Granted injuries are not an exact science but far too often this season we've been told about players returning to training/matches and the timelines being very far out. Chair at the moment, Poku at the start of the season. Which means one of two things is happening, they are either getting set backs/additional niggles in their injuries and the club don't update their previous updates and just hope we forget about what they said previously or they are far underestimating/understating the recovery times as shorter return periods than reality are less bad news.
Neither of these points touch upon the reality that are injury record has again been horrific this season, after a while, bad injury records season after season with the same people employed stops becoming coincidence. | | | |
| Burrel out until March on 12:44 - Jan 9 with 1257 views | mikeyhg |
| Burrel out until March on 13:25 - Jan 8 by RBlock |
Still. Nice of them to let us know, isn't it? |
Doubts whether the information they are providing is anywhere near accurate based on previously provided injury recovery times. | | | |
| Burrel out until March on 12:50 - Jan 9 with 1227 views | simmo |
| Burrel out until March on 12:43 - Jan 9 by mikeyhg |
It would be nice if the updates were relatively accurate. Granted injuries are not an exact science but far too often this season we've been told about players returning to training/matches and the timelines being very far out. Chair at the moment, Poku at the start of the season. Which means one of two things is happening, they are either getting set backs/additional niggles in their injuries and the club don't update their previous updates and just hope we forget about what they said previously or they are far underestimating/understating the recovery times as shorter return periods than reality are less bad news.
Neither of these points touch upon the reality that are injury record has again been horrific this season, after a while, bad injury records season after season with the same people employed stops becoming coincidence. |
Great post and spot on, imo |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 12:54 - Jan 9 with 1213 views | DannyPaddox |
Can’t believe with our legion of performance analysts we don’t have a hamstring-whisperer |  | | |
| Burrel out until March on 13:00 - Jan 9 with 1185 views | lassel |
| Burrel out until March on 09:50 - Jan 9 by wombat |
its something the owners will be hopefully aware of and be asking questions , its two season now and same injuires every week , yes all clubs get them but a lot of ours are the same injuries to the same players , do we look outside the box for a solution ? if it down to williams being a very very good fitness guru for cycling not grasping the diff for a footballer and doing a one style fits all scenario ?
our record of hamstring inuires wont help the long term project they are trying to achive and sell on players for profit thats for sure. |
At the risk of being a stuck record, Williams is DOF now. Player availability is *technically* not him anymore. | | | |
| Burrel out until March on 13:39 - Jan 9 with 1071 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Burrel out until March on 13:00 - Jan 9 by lassel |
At the risk of being a stuck record, Williams is DOF now. Player availability is *technically* not him anymore. |
He's not DOF. He's Director of Sporting Operations, so it is on him.
More importantly it's primarily on the man who appointed him. |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 13:41 - Jan 9 with 1058 views | Hunterhoop |
| Burrel out until March on 13:00 - Jan 9 by lassel |
At the risk of being a stuck record, Williams is DOF now. Player availability is *technically* not him anymore. |
He’s Head of Sporting Operations. He might be telling people he’s the DOF equivalent. But he’s not.
Have had it made very clear to me he is absolutely not what you would consider a typical DOF. Stephan does not report to him. He is not making the signings or even having much say on them.
It’s Head of Performance (Fitness/Medical), with all the logistical sh*t that goes around that (training ground, pitch, hotels, travel, diet, etc) bolted on.
Now, I could have been misled and he’s running the whole show on the football side with Nourry doing the CEO and Financial stuff. But I think it’s more than likely Williams is bigging himself up. We all know Nourry is the one leading on the Player Trading strategy, which is undoubtedly a big part of a DOF role. |  | | |
| Burrel out until March on 13:56 - Jan 9 with 1021 views | baz_qpr |
I think it is absolutely the case in the modern game, in the championship, where the game is about high intensity press, lots of fast explosive running plus contact etc that Hamstring injuries particularly are on the rise. I dont think its unique to us and I dont think its a coincidence that we've had them clustered at the start of the season and at the end of a pretty brutal run of fixtures on a cabbage patch pitch. When the game was slower and more twisty and turny you had more ACL,MCL Groin and Ankle ligaments injuries.
I dont think the slow burn has particularly helped us because we have stamina issues but at the same time and I don't think its the answer to the problem |  | | |
| Burrel out until March on 14:06 - Jan 9 with 993 views | R_from_afar |
| Burrel out until March on 11:15 - Jan 9 by 1JD |
Well, football is not a “slow burn” sport is it?
Every game is played at the maximum, for 3 points, since game week 1. It’s an explosive, dynamic fitness.
Its not an endurance burn, like Cycling, where you start slow and steadily build
And finish strongly.
So it’s hardly a surprise we are getting all these injuries. Cycling fitness is completely different to football fitness and applying the same core principles is nuts. But it’s the classic Dunning-Kruger effect being played out by Williams. |
"But it’s the classic Dunning-Kruger effect being played out by Williams".
Wow, I have learnt something there, thank you  .
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Great name for a progressive metal band too, Dunning-Kruger effect 👍.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 14:33 - Jan 9 with 879 views | wombat |
| Burrel out until March on 13:00 - Jan 9 by lassel |
At the risk of being a stuck record, Williams is DOF now. Player availability is *technically* not him anymore. |
a cycling man whos director of football would make even less sense , than a man in charge oif overall club fitness being aval btween the hours of 2-4 pm via zoom every third weds of the month for a quick catch up . |  |
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| Burrel out until March on 14:33 - Jan 9 with 880 views | BushRanger82 |
Sorry to lose Rumarn until March, but Rayan has it in him to step up to the plate.
I hope. 🤞🏻 |  | | |
| Burrel out until March on 14:39 - Jan 9 with 847 views | wombat |
| Burrel out until March on 14:33 - Jan 9 by BushRanger82 |
Sorry to lose Rumarn until March, but Rayan has it in him to step up to the plate.
I hope. 🤞🏻 |
hopefullly but is past injury record would say otherwise ,
id hope sunday its one up front and an extra man in alongside madson , if we can get to half time and still be in it , then bring kolli on and go two up front. | |
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| Burrel out until March on 15:24 - Jan 9 with 742 views | lassel |
| Burrel out until March on 13:41 - Jan 9 by Hunterhoop |
He’s Head of Sporting Operations. He might be telling people he’s the DOF equivalent. But he’s not.
Have had it made very clear to me he is absolutely not what you would consider a typical DOF. Stephan does not report to him. He is not making the signings or even having much say on them.
It’s Head of Performance (Fitness/Medical), with all the logistical sh*t that goes around that (training ground, pitch, hotels, travel, diet, etc) bolted on.
Now, I could have been misled and he’s running the whole show on the football side with Nourry doing the CEO and Financial stuff. But I think it’s more than likely Williams is bigging himself up. We all know Nourry is the one leading on the Player Trading strategy, which is undoubtedly a big part of a DOF role. |
As you know HH, the reality of what they’ll tell you to your face is very different from the reality on the ground. | | | |
| Burrel out until March on 15:31 - Jan 9 with 728 views | simmo |
| Burrel out until March on 14:33 - Jan 9 by BushRanger82 |
Sorry to lose Rumarn until March, but Rayan has it in him to step up to the plate.
I hope. 🤞🏻 |
I'm hopeful (and will be pleased to see) if Kolli can get a decent run and show himself to be at this level, 10-15 starts will do wonders for him and us in terms of learning what to do with him next season.
That said he's not the same player as Burrell so we will have to adapt things. The biggest disappointment with losing Burrell - other than the fact it feels at least in some part avoidable - is that he makes things happen for himself. He runs that channel, he presses the entire backline, he makes defenders and keepers panic because they underestimate his speed. Every time a defender let's a high ball bounce you know he's on trouble. He's constantly there for rebounds or deflections because he gambles and has a good positional sense. I've said it on here before but he's a cheat code for away games especially, as an out ball and a counter attacking threat.
Kolli, Kone and Frey have games more suited to teams having the ball and building, rather than playing on the shoulders or pressing high. Very interesting to see how JS adapts to this, either with a system change or with a different build up plan. I have to say on the evidence of these last few months, I'm not confident he will change either... | |
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| Burrel out until March on 16:00 - Jan 9 with 672 views | paddyhdog |
| Burrel out until March on 14:33 - Jan 9 by BushRanger82 |
Sorry to lose Rumarn until March, but Rayan has it in him to step up to the plate.
I hope. 🤞🏻 |
Me too. I rate Kolli highly. He seems to score lots of different goals too, and not tap ins to date.
I do worry about his fitness. Too many injuries already for such a young lad. He doesn't around smoothly, seems like he's a bit bow legged? Maybe an issue with his mechanics (cue lots of car gags).
Hope I'm wrong and he goes on an immense goal scoring spree, starting with Wet Spam | | | |
| Burrel out until March on 16:47 - Jan 9 with 584 views | KensalT |
| Burrel out until March on 11:13 - Jan 9 by stainrods_elbow |
if Edwards is incoming, JCS should/will probably be outgoing. He's played 60 games in 3.5 years, and can't go on. In my view, the club should be taking a view of it, and offering him terms ot cancel his contract. Perhaps he can kickstart his career at a lower level. It's a shame, as he's talented of course. |
How would dropping to a lower level help?
He clearly has the talent for this level.
It's his availability that's the issue. | | | |
| Burrel out until March on 22:15 - Jan 9 with 423 views | hoops_legend |
| Burrel out until March on 11:15 - Jan 9 by 1JD |
Well, football is not a “slow burn” sport is it?
Every game is played at the maximum, for 3 points, since game week 1. It’s an explosive, dynamic fitness.
Its not an endurance burn, like Cycling, where you start slow and steadily build
And finish strongly.
So it’s hardly a surprise we are getting all these injuries. Cycling fitness is completely different to football fitness and applying the same core principles is nuts. But it’s the classic Dunning-Kruger effect being played out by Williams. |
I have a nice slightly more confident feeling everytime JCS plays... So I would keep him. It's just a shame its not more often [Post edited 9 Jan 22:15]
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| Burrel out until March on 06:42 - Jan 10 with 236 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Burrel out until March on 16:47 - Jan 9 by KensalT |
How would dropping to a lower level help?
He clearly has the talent for this level.
It's his availability that's the issue. |
You've made my point (again) for me, so it seems like we agree.
It's surely not news that players who can't do it at one level, for physical reasons, sometimes drop down the league where the game is less demanding. That's why Jimmy Greaves turned out (in midfield) for Barnet later on. I just don't see JCS as a sustainable option for us in the Champ, and he's had plenty of time with us now. Talent is pointless if you can't showcase it for more than a few weeks at at a time. | |
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| Burrel out until March on 07:53 - Jan 10 with 203 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Burrel out until March on 22:15 - Jan 9 by hoops_legend |
I have a nice slightly more confident feeling everytime JCS plays... So I would keep him. It's just a shame its not more often [Post edited 9 Jan 22:15]
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Not for me.
We spend weeks/months getting him back for three and a half games out of six, then he's out again. Thus, you can't get any momentum with him, the defence lacks cohesion, and he's injuries make him too unreliable. Even if you're thinking: let's use him in rotation to give others a break, there's no guarantee he can step in.
Sadly, for all concerned, as good as he is, he goes at the end of the season. |  |
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