| Just back 17:49 - Jan 24 with 7915 views | BlackCrowe |
Aaargh...sooooo disappointing.
Game should have been put to bed at half time, we played very very well and then a couple of our players went a bit quiet in the second half. Mbenge red changed the game but to be honest, he really doesn't look suited to right back position and hasn't done for a few games. Wrexham were good value though, helped by a ridiculously lenient ref, and certainly know how to rifle shots on target from distance.
But overall a great game and we played well enough i reckon...very disappoiting. |  |
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| Just back on 06:58 - Jan 25 with 1374 views | kernowhoop |
The important thing is that we (team and JS) learn from it. I believe that we will.
Defeats happen.
Bodo/Glimt 3 Man City 1
Bournemouth 3 Liverpool 2 |  | | |
| Just back on 08:20 - Jan 25 with 1266 views | joe90 |
That was bloody mental. I had low expectations due to injuries etc, so I was pleasantly surprised with how we played - until the end of course. I can’t remember a game collapsing like that before.
Not sure if Mbengue can be blamed. We should be able to see out the last 4 mins of the game!!!!! Even with 10 men!!
We shouldn’t have lost, so bloody frustrating!!! |  | | |
| Just back on 08:38 - Jan 25 with 1194 views | TwoHalves |
| Just back on 08:20 - Jan 25 by joe90 |
That was bloody mental. I had low expectations due to injuries etc, so I was pleasantly surprised with how we played - until the end of course. I can’t remember a game collapsing like that before.
Not sure if Mbengue can be blamed. We should be able to see out the last 4 mins of the game!!!!! Even with 10 men!!
We shouldn’t have lost, so bloody frustrating!!! |
There’s no ‘single’ reason for that collapse but Mbengue’s rush of blood to the head goes a long way to explaining it IMO. | | | |
| Just back on 08:39 - Jan 25 with 1189 views | s1cRanger |
Quick question... was it aviodable by a tactical sub? Or had we ran out of subs by then? I was thinking at 2-1 up and Mbengue on a yellow the introduction of Edwards at CB with Cook and move Dunne to RB might have been a good one. |  | | |
| Just back on 08:48 - Jan 25 with 1157 views | Logman |
| Just back on 08:39 - Jan 25 by s1cRanger |
Quick question... was it aviodable by a tactical sub? Or had we ran out of subs by then? I was thinking at 2-1 up and Mbengue on a yellow the introduction of Edwards at CB with Cook and move Dunne to RB might have been a good one. |
I think that would have been very good foresight.
However, to be fair, Mbengue has lasted the duration in every game he has played until now and so there were reasons to believe that he should have been a bit more careful
What pissed me off was that we didn't really get a right back in when it happened
I'm not actually sure that the team was rearranged into a 4-4-1
I would have liked to have seen Daniel Bennie go in there immediately - but we just kind of played on, but without a designated right back [Post edited 25 Jan 8:49]
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| Just back on 08:59 - Jan 25 with 1119 views | Andybrat |
Smyth Miss in 1st half almost as bad as the sending off. He had time the whole goal in front of him, at least get the keeper to make a save. 2-0 and the momentum that brings would have changed the game. Madsen getting better but really liked Vale in the 10 position, lovely passer. Unlike others my section thought Kone far better as an out and out striker, chalk and cheese compared to Oxford. Still can’t believe last 4 mins gotta get it out of my system as have the players. | | | |
| Just back on 09:04 - Jan 25 with 1094 views | stevec |
Calmed down a bit now, absolutely gutted how it ended.
As was said further up the thread, considering how excellent Madsen and the two central defenders played, it was unbelievable that we conceded three goals. Another reason why defensive stats can lie, the problems start higher up the park.
We can blame Mbengue actions for the loss of three points but the stand out problem overall is further up the pitch. Different player than at West Ham but once again we saw a piece of amazing skill, this time from Madsen, tackle and break through two players, stride on for nigh on fifty yards and not one of our wide men to be seen, Madsens inevitable shot made as Dembele and Smyth put on a no show, when the move ended Smyth was fully 10 yards behind him. At this level it’s scandalous.
Kone isn’t playing well but he needs the three players behind him orchestrating everything to get him in the box, it never happens.
Much has been made of the RB fouling Smyth, I don’t see it that way, he just had him in his pocket. Dembele flat refuses to find space behind the LB, Vale did an ok job that largely consisted of defence minded duties, but difficult to play forward if your wingers aren’t in sync. Fitness levels simply not good enough, lord knows what goes on behind the scenes.
It’s a real shame as despite glaring deficiencies, we should be level on points with 6th place and find ourselves 4 points behind with Coventry coming to town next.
Yesterday was a proper punch in the bollocks. |  | | |
| Just back on 09:19 - Jan 25 with 1027 views | davman |
Reflection time...
First half brilliant. We should have been 3 up (Smyth and Vale missed sitters).
Stopped running on 60. Stopped the press. Sat back.
Vale and Madsen our best players for that 60.
Vale can't play more than 60.
Substitutions too late and wtf could he not combine those windows to give us some options should something go wrong later in the game?
Sending off comes. Surely that is time for a sit down injury to rearrange? Dunne RB, Hayden, Field CBs alongside Cookie.
Where is Frey? Not injured, the only replacement for Kone in this squad and is exceptional at defending let alone attacking.
Kone needs a rest.
The bench is full of young players who need loans rather than developing by playing 5 or 10 mins here or there. Jumping straight to the first team just does not work... |  |
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| Just back on 09:26 - Jan 25 with 1013 views | dm97 |
Tried to hold off instant reactions across socials etc.
Waking up this morning it feels absolutely sickening still. As many have said - you just can’t lose that game from that position.
On the positives - CBs (again), Vale, and MOTM by a street Madsen. He dominated that game first half, we’ve really got a top CM for the level now. Who’d have thought.
Negatives - fitness, again ole ole. Wingers (end product). Subs (somebody explain to me how 20/30 minutes of Edwards (at rb, cb or cdm) isn’t productive there. Options on bench (they bring in two players who score, we bring on u23s).
Really painful one to take. But I’d do that 10 times out of 10 vs watching those Stoke and Oxford performances. |  | | |
| Just back on 09:31 - Jan 25 with 992 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Just back on 18:15 - Jan 24 by StreathamRanger |
Also just back. Gutted obviously but here's my thoughts FWIW
- Madsen best player on the pitch again. He's crucial to this team. Went down with a knock at one point and everyone in the ground held their breath until he got himself to his feet. He deserves a song much better than the terrible one he currently has. I think there'll be some interest in him in the summer.
- First 30 minutes were excellent. I'm a big fan of Morgan. He looks to play forward and get the ball into dangerous areas. Doesn't always work but I like his attitude.
- Vale was tidy in the first half. Great goal. Looked tired in the second. Understandable given the lack of games he's had.
- Cook and Dunne are a great CB pair. Both played well today. Hopefully they can stay injury free. RND had another solid game.
- we reacted really badly to the sending off and gave them all the time and space they needed. However, the red card was foolish so Mbengue needs to take responsibility for seriously letting his team mates down. He seems a good egg so I'm sure he would have held his hands up and apologised to the team.
- a few said we should have bought on Edwards after the sending off. Not possible as we'd already had our three substitution windows. With hindsight you can say he should have taken off Mbengue as he was on a yellow but a manager had to be able to trust his players not to get themselves sent off. Again Mbengue has to carry the responsibility on that one.
- having watched the goals back, I think it's unfair to lay the blame on Walsh. They're all very well struck. On another day maybe he saves one of them but I don't think any of them are a big keeper error. I also like the way he looks to distribute the ball quicker than our other keepers.
- it's a shame our next game is against Coventry as we could really have done with an easier opponent to try and bounce back. Not sure what we do at the back. Would be a shame to stop the Cook Dunne partnership so maybe Edwards out tonight back. If he plays well there maybe he takes Mbengue's spot long term.
Wrexham had the stronger bench today and maybe that was just enough to get them three points that they didn't deserve. A point a piece would have been just about right. [Post edited 24 Jan 18:17]
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Good post SR, agree entirely on every point. Morgan will be a very good player for us, eventually. He is young, hasn’t had much game tame and it shows, but he is capable and is positive with the ball, far more so than Field, Hayden or Varane.
Vale had a very good first off, but tired dramatically in the second. Good technique and a tidy player who will also come good.
Hugely disappointing to lose the game the way we did, but the lack of composure to manage the game effectively for 5 mins was bizarre. We seemed to pack the six yard box but left countless Wrexham players unmarked outside of it and on the edge of the 18 yard box and failed to close them down. Two quality finishes though.
Need to look for the positives, but the absence of Chair and Poku for most of the season has been the killer for me. Expected big things from them both, with the current encumbants just there to cover the odd injury or 3 game weeks.
We also need a permanent partner in the middle alongside Madsen, as I’m not convinced any of the currently available 3 are the answer.
I’ve made my opinion clear on Kone. I don’t think he has the “tools” for this level, but hope to be proven wrong. | | | |
| Just back on 09:32 - Jan 25 with 992 views | londonscottish |
It would be interesting to see the stats for the 1st half vs the 2nd.
From where I was standing (Lower Loft), Wrexham were barely able to lay a glove on Rangers for the entire 1st half. They were reduced to lumping the occasional hopeful but useless ball forward.
The second half seemed to be almost a complete mirror image of the first. I did wonder if we'd rue all those missed chances in the first 45. |  |
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| Just back on 10:18 - Jan 25 with 878 views | joe90 |
| Just back on 08:38 - Jan 25 by TwoHalves |
There’s no ‘single’ reason for that collapse but Mbengue’s rush of blood to the head goes a long way to explaining it IMO. |
He will be singled out and even if we had won it was still a pointless sending off. He needs a serious talking to.
To lose like we did is a team effort IMO.
I’m still annoyed. | | | |
| Just back on 10:30 - Jan 25 with 849 views | lassel |
| Just back on 08:38 - Jan 25 by TwoHalves |
There’s no ‘single’ reason for that collapse but Mbengue’s rush of blood to the head goes a long way to explaining it IMO. |
Of course there is more than one reason, but they all stemmed from the same issue - Mbengue had a meltdown and got himself sent off.
Obviously the manager takes a huge part of the blame for not having taken him off when he’s been a walking red card for 6 months and also for his immediate reaction being putting Bennie in at RB but of course the players, many very experienced and extremely well paid, let themselves down completely by not taking any personal responsibility to see the game out. | | | |
| Just back on 10:33 - Jan 25 with 804 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Just back on 10:18 - Jan 25 by joe90 |
He will be singled out and even if we had won it was still a pointless sending off. He needs a serious talking to.
To lose like we did is a team effort IMO.
I’m still annoyed. |
Got to admit I haven't been that annoyed after a match for a long time. Snapped at the wife, would have kicked the cat if I had one. I know it's only a game and all that but Jesus, what a shitshow lol. I think the fact it was Wrexham and knowing it was literally what they wanted for content for their show makes it worse. We were like a naive young starlet heading into Harvey Weinstein's room for an audition. | | | |
| Just back on 10:57 - Jan 25 with 773 views | OldPedro |
| Just back on 10:30 - Jan 25 by lassel |
Of course there is more than one reason, but they all stemmed from the same issue - Mbengue had a meltdown and got himself sent off.
Obviously the manager takes a huge part of the blame for not having taken him off when he’s been a walking red card for 6 months and also for his immediate reaction being putting Bennie in at RB but of course the players, many very experienced and extremely well paid, let themselves down completely by not taking any personal responsibility to see the game out. |
It seemed to me that the ref was looking to send either Smyth or Mbengue off - the threshold for fouls seemed a lot higher for Wrexham than us.
Given that and the fact the recently Mbengue seems to tire dramatically in the last 10, I don't know why the manager didn't sub him off when he made the last change. We have a £4.5 mil defender on the bench who could have come on and replaced him - without the sending off I think we hold on for the win.
Anyone know how many games Mbengue will miss now as he had already picked up his 10th yellow before the 11th yellow/red card? |  |
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| Just back on 11:57 - Jan 25 with 680 views | priceyparkrangers |
| Just back on 09:19 - Jan 25 by davman |
Reflection time...
First half brilliant. We should have been 3 up (Smyth and Vale missed sitters).
Stopped running on 60. Stopped the press. Sat back.
Vale and Madsen our best players for that 60.
Vale can't play more than 60.
Substitutions too late and wtf could he not combine those windows to give us some options should something go wrong later in the game?
Sending off comes. Surely that is time for a sit down injury to rearrange? Dunne RB, Hayden, Field CBs alongside Cookie.
Where is Frey? Not injured, the only replacement for Kone in this squad and is exceptional at defending let alone attacking.
Kone needs a rest.
The bench is full of young players who need loans rather than developing by playing 5 or 10 mins here or there. Jumping straight to the first team just does not work... |
Club is only hurting itself by treating some players like crap this season.
Nardi would have comfortably saved the first and third.
Frey would have been perfect to waste time and keep the ball in the corner.
Why isn’t Edwards getting minutes.
So much weird stuff going on that caused this self-implosion | | | |
| Just back on 12:01 - Jan 25 with 667 views | Northernr |
| Just back on 10:57 - Jan 25 by OldPedro |
It seemed to me that the ref was looking to send either Smyth or Mbengue off - the threshold for fouls seemed a lot higher for Wrexham than us.
Given that and the fact the recently Mbengue seems to tire dramatically in the last 10, I don't know why the manager didn't sub him off when he made the last change. We have a £4.5 mil defender on the bench who could have come on and replaced him - without the sending off I think we hold on for the win.
Anyone know how many games Mbengue will miss now as he had already picked up his 10th yellow before the 11th yellow/red card? |
Their number 12 was refereed to a different standard than we were. |  | | |
| Just back on 12:03 - Jan 25 with 660 views | JamesB1979 |
| Just back on 10:30 - Jan 25 by lassel |
Of course there is more than one reason, but they all stemmed from the same issue - Mbengue had a meltdown and got himself sent off.
Obviously the manager takes a huge part of the blame for not having taken him off when he’s been a walking red card for 6 months and also for his immediate reaction being putting Bennie in at RB but of course the players, many very experienced and extremely well paid, let themselves down completely by not taking any personal responsibility to see the game out. |
After the first yellow, I think I was thinking, make him play the full 90 as we won’t see him for a couple of weeks. He made an unbelievablely stupid challenge on the halfway line. But I don’t understand with 4 minutes to go why we didn’t do some “dark arts” and seen the game out with 10 men. We had enough experience on the pitch. Couldn’t we pretend to get a head injury to eg Bennie or Kolli, and brought on Edwards? | | | |
| Just back on 12:04 - Jan 25 with 659 views | daveB |
| Just back on 10:57 - Jan 25 by OldPedro |
It seemed to me that the ref was looking to send either Smyth or Mbengue off - the threshold for fouls seemed a lot higher for Wrexham than us.
Given that and the fact the recently Mbengue seems to tire dramatically in the last 10, I don't know why the manager didn't sub him off when he made the last change. We have a £4.5 mil defender on the bench who could have come on and replaced him - without the sending off I think we hold on for the win.
Anyone know how many games Mbengue will miss now as he had already picked up his 10th yellow before the 11th yellow/red card? |
Mbengue has been in this situation a lot though with a yellow card in the last 10. I'm with you today in saying of course he should have taken him off but thats with hindsight. Overall the back 4 were pretty good yesterday, it was in midfield where the legs had gone and where he made that final change. I have a bit of sympathy with the manager on this one |  | | |
| Just back on 12:13 - Jan 25 with 640 views | T_Block |
Basically agree.Mbenge is Mbenge and gives lots of positives to the team.
Players need support now.Kone did well ,Madsen ,Cook,RND,Vale, carried the team.Forwards were ok,I love when the youngsters are played.Not the best from Morgan,but the we HAVE to play a them.
This team is potentially top half championship definitely
As fans no over-reaction Stéphan has a hard job in the next few months | | | |
| Just back on 12:24 - Jan 25 with 596 views | flynnbo |
| Just back on 12:03 - Jan 25 by JamesB1979 |
After the first yellow, I think I was thinking, make him play the full 90 as we won’t see him for a couple of weeks. He made an unbelievablely stupid challenge on the halfway line. But I don’t understand with 4 minutes to go why we didn’t do some “dark arts” and seen the game out with 10 men. We had enough experience on the pitch. Couldn’t we pretend to get a head injury to eg Bennie or Kolli, and brought on Edwards? |
I noticed that Walsh did in fact sit down during the incident then decided to get up again and we "played" on as a team. |  | | |
| Just back on 12:50 - Jan 25 with 537 views | HAMRanger |
ok, home now and still in denial. Can't believe we lost that! I was really enjoying it until the end |  | | |
| Just back on 15:07 - Jan 25 with 444 views | OldPedro |
| Just back on 12:04 - Jan 25 by daveB |
Mbengue has been in this situation a lot though with a yellow card in the last 10. I'm with you today in saying of course he should have taken him off but thats with hindsight. Overall the back 4 were pretty good yesterday, it was in midfield where the legs had gone and where he made that final change. I have a bit of sympathy with the manager on this one |
Lots of people around me said we should be subbing Mbengue way before the sending off. You could just see the way the game was going and the way the ref was, that a 2nd yellow would appear at some point.
Think we only used 4 subs - aren't we allowed 5, so could have brought Edwards on for him when we subbed on Kolli/Bennie or when Field came on. | |
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| Just back on 17:20 - Jan 25 with 342 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Just back on 12:01 - Jan 25 by Northernr |
Their number 12 was refereed to a different standard than we were. |
No 12 stood out as a walking advert for yellow/red cards if the ref did his job.He dragged Cook around waiting for a corner (sterm talking to both ) pretty much immediatly pushed Smyth to the ground waiting for the next corner ( another talking to BOTH) remember Mbengue getting booked in the FA Cup for being innocent in that situation.
Kabore then crunched Smyth from behind ( such a clear yellow got nothing ) which resulted in Smyth getting so angry he lost it a bit (yellow of course ).
This was on tv probably much worse sitting in LR fuming fans.
Mbengue couls have pulled out of both challenges but chose not to and fcuked us and had to face that team coming into the dressing room after that meltdown.Wonder how that went btw |  | | |
| Just back on 18:04 - Jan 25 with 278 views | TeddeRs |
Spent yesterday evening trying to get my head round that ending. Entertaining game, some really good moments from us. But, utter panic for three mins from the team that successfully shithoused Stoke to a 0-0. Que?
Wise woman on the Ellerslie Road on the way out, said to her kids, "that's the heartbreak of football". Too right. Poor kid. Curse your parents for your inheritance.
Sometimes the gods give us nice things, like Kieran Morgan in his pants having blown Brum away. Sometimes, they build our hopes only to kick us in the nuts.
Thank God it's only a game. | | | |
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