| Four minutes of injury time 10:18 - Jan 25 with 1820 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
The parallels with the Man City match are obvious: down to ten men for a dumb sending-off to a moneybags club and conceding two injury-time goals for a famous victory that will be replayed endlessly across the media.
I checked and the City match had five minutes of injury time.
How can a professional football club concede two goals in four minutes of injury time? Surely you run down the clock? Keep possession. Keep it in the opposition half. Waste time.
A draw would have been gutting but it happens and on the second half performance was a fair result. But to concede again was pathetic. We literally handed Hollywood FC the money shot they wanted. [Post edited 25 Jan 10:19]
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| Four minutes of injury time on 10:35 - Jan 25 with 1362 views | Juzzie |
Slight difference in that at Man City we were down to 10 men for a much longer period of time and were being relentlessly battered by a vastly superior team, It grinds you down.
Yesterday was just 4 minutes. To concede two goals is bizzare. There’s been mention of sub windows but surely with 1 sub left, you bring on Edward’s straight away, take off Kone and go 5-4-0 / 4-5-0 and park the friggin bus for four minutes to see out the game at 2-1.
If the ‘window’ hindered this then that is ridiculous. What if a player got injured too around the same time…. then you’re down to 9?
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| Four minutes of injury time on 10:39 - Jan 25 with 1328 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Four minutes of injury time on 10:35 - Jan 25 by Juzzie |
Slight difference in that at Man City we were down to 10 men for a much longer period of time and were being relentlessly battered by a vastly superior team, It grinds you down.
Yesterday was just 4 minutes. To concede two goals is bizzare. There’s been mention of sub windows but surely with 1 sub left, you bring on Edward’s straight away, take off Kone and go 5-4-0 / 4-5-0 and park the friggin bus for four minutes to see out the game at 2-1.
If the ‘window’ hindered this then that is ridiculous. What if a player got injured too around the same time…. then you’re down to 9?
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Yes, the sub windows thing is odd. I assume they brought it in to stop time-wasting substitutions at the end of games. I suppose the only alternative is to fake a concussion injury! | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:09 - Jan 25 with 1212 views | Juzzie |
Ok, just googled it;
Number of Substitutions: Clubs are permitted to use five substitutes in a match.
Number of Windows: Clubs are allowed a maximum of three opportunities (plus half-time) to make these five substitutions.
As someone else pointed out on another post, we used ours on 64, 74 and 82 4 players in total).
So as much as we probably wanted to bring Edwards on, we couldn’t. That cost us the points.
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| Four minutes of injury time on 11:14 - Jan 25 with 1202 views | HammersmithR |
Goes back to what I have said on another thread. So many times this season the manager’s in game management is beyond questionable. He’s running out of chances with me. He’s his own worst enemy. Needs to learn very quickly. | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:18 - Jan 25 with 1172 views | Juzzie |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:14 - Jan 25 by HammersmithR |
Goes back to what I have said on another thread. So many times this season the manager’s in game management is beyond questionable. He’s running out of chances with me. He’s his own worst enemy. Needs to learn very quickly. |
I do understand but if you can’t bring on a sub to counter a particular situation, something is wrong in the game.
I get that the windows were probably created to stop time wasting but how is it time wasting when time is added on anyway when substitutions are made.
We’ll never know of course but had we brought on Edwards for, say, Kone, we may have won the game. [Post edited 25 Jan 11:20]
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| Four minutes of injury time on 11:20 - Jan 25 with 1156 views | loftus77 |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:09 - Jan 25 by Juzzie |
Ok, just googled it;
Number of Substitutions: Clubs are permitted to use five substitutes in a match.
Number of Windows: Clubs are allowed a maximum of three opportunities (plus half-time) to make these five substitutions.
As someone else pointed out on another post, we used ours on 64, 74 and 82 4 players in total).
So as much as we probably wanted to bring Edwards on, we couldn’t. That cost us the points.
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That's really interesting and important to know - thanks. I must admit I did not click this.
Still gutted, mind you, but takes a tiny bit of sting away. | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:51 - Jan 25 with 1029 views | HantsR |
| Four minutes of injury time on 10:39 - Jan 25 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Yes, the sub windows thing is odd. I assume they brought it in to stop time-wasting substitutions at the end of games. I suppose the only alternative is to fake a concussion injury! |
I saw Jimmy Dunne go over to Walsh and tell him to sit down and manage his 'cramp' around 90 mins. So they maybe knew what to do, but couldn't manage it. Bit sneaky of Wrexham to shoot so hard, and on target! Why couldn't they be more sporting like we were? |  | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:57 - Jan 25 with 1018 views | daveB |
I thought we just invited them to have long shots and put the ball in our box so was just asking for trouble, we managed that 4 minutes so poorly and even at 2-2 just keep the ball and take the point. Was really poor after what had been a much better performance before the sending off |  | | |
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| Four minutes of injury time on 12:52 - Jan 25 with 942 views | essextaxiboy |
Marti used to hook players who were on a yellow card whever possible . Given Mbengues "playing style" he could have kept 11 on the pitch with a bit of foresight... IMO |  | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 13:01 - Jan 25 with 903 views | Watford_Ranger |
City had Aguero and Balotelli up front whereas this lot absolutely sht themselves over who was meant to be marking Josh Windass seven yards from the goal. | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 13:10 - Jan 25 with 889 views | kensalriser |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:57 - Jan 25 by daveB |
I thought we just invited them to have long shots and put the ball in our box so was just asking for trouble, we managed that 4 minutes so poorly and even at 2-2 just keep the ball and take the point. Was really poor after what had been a much better performance before the sending off |
Exactly right. Ten professional footballers at this level should be able to defend for four minutes to see out a game. |  |
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| Four minutes of injury time on 13:24 - Jan 25 with 862 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:57 - Jan 25 by daveB |
I thought we just invited them to have long shots and put the ball in our box so was just asking for trouble, we managed that 4 minutes so poorly and even at 2-2 just keep the ball and take the point. Was really poor after what had been a much better performance before the sending off |
This 100%
We had experienced defensive midfielders in Field & Hadyn on at this point,
I was screaming at them to push out & press from the 90th minute,
All 9 outfield players seem to retreat almost to our 6 yard box, it was like a shooting alley those last 4 minutes,
Walsh seemingly has to do better for the 3rd but there was so many of our own players in the area maybe he did'nt get a clear sight of that shot,
We disappeared as a team in the 2nd Half as gave up the Midfield, re-appeared between the 80th to 89th minute and then just completely lost our minds in the last 4 minutes,
1st Half performance was superb and there was a glaring reason why we disappeared in the 2nd Half, but its still a bit to raw & that's for another post.
Cook, Dunne, Hadyn & Field should have marshalled those last 4 minutes but all seemingly lost their composure. | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 13:31 - Jan 25 with 838 views | Northernr |
| Four minutes of injury time on 13:24 - Jan 25 by ParkRoyalR |
This 100%
We had experienced defensive midfielders in Field & Hadyn on at this point,
I was screaming at them to push out & press from the 90th minute,
All 9 outfield players seem to retreat almost to our 6 yard box, it was like a shooting alley those last 4 minutes,
Walsh seemingly has to do better for the 3rd but there was so many of our own players in the area maybe he did'nt get a clear sight of that shot,
We disappeared as a team in the 2nd Half as gave up the Midfield, re-appeared between the 80th to 89th minute and then just completely lost our minds in the last 4 minutes,
1st Half performance was superb and there was a glaring reason why we disappeared in the 2nd Half, but its still a bit to raw & that's for another post.
Cook, Dunne, Hadyn & Field should have marshalled those last 4 minutes but all seemingly lost their composure. |
Totally right. Think it was Cook who belted the ball out straight from the kick off as well, on the side of the pitch where we'd just had the man sent off. Mad stuff.
I did a post on here in the week about how not everybody can be a development prospect, you need experience, you need custodians. Well, as you say, where was that when we needed it yesterday?
The whole tactic from team and bench seemed to be "there's only two minutes left, it'll probably be fine". |  | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 13:40 - Jan 25 with 810 views | CamberleyR |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:09 - Jan 25 by Juzzie |
Ok, just googled it;
Number of Substitutions: Clubs are permitted to use five substitutes in a match.
Number of Windows: Clubs are allowed a maximum of three opportunities (plus half-time) to make these five substitutions.
As someone else pointed out on another post, we used ours on 64, 74 and 82 4 players in total).
So as much as we probably wanted to bring Edwards on, we couldn’t. That cost us the points.
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"As someone else pointed out on another post, we used ours on 64, 74 and 82 4 players in total).
So as much as we probably wanted to bring Edwards on, we couldn’t. That cost us the points"
Well that is just frankly amateurish and embarrassing. |  |
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| Four minutes of injury time on 13:44 - Jan 25 with 797 views | Northernr |
| Four minutes of injury time on 13:40 - Jan 25 by CamberleyR |
"As someone else pointed out on another post, we used ours on 64, 74 and 82 4 players in total).
So as much as we probably wanted to bring Edwards on, we couldn’t. That cost us the points"
Well that is just frankly amateurish and embarrassing. |
Could and should have had Edwards on in the 82 changes.
Said this a bit lately but you can't really be constantly talking about fatigue, fixture congestion, injuries, and then not using a full set of five subs as often as Stephan is.
Was it last week we only made three, and two of those on 86 mins? | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:03 - Jan 25 with 740 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Four minutes of injury time on 13:44 - Jan 25 by Northernr |
Could and should have had Edwards on in the 82 changes.
Said this a bit lately but you can't really be constantly talking about fatigue, fixture congestion, injuries, and then not using a full set of five subs as often as Stephan is.
Was it last week we only made three, and two of those on 86 mins? |
I thought we would bring on Edwards earlier as at Half Time with Mbengue on a Yellow we were talking about how he was likely to get a 2nd Yellow with his habit of jumping into challenges,
A separate point but Madsen was very good in the 1st Half and the team functioned well,
Through fatigue or whatever Madsen disappeared in the 2nd Half and the team malfunctioned completely, booting it long, losing possession and we were forced to watch Wrexham build their attacks,
I get some will say it was a great assist for the corner (dreadful marking, great header) and a brilliant run forward (it was) to shoot wide, but Madsen should have been showing for that ball off the Centre Halves and Walsh for the whole of the 2nd Half and just was'nt,
We or Madsen need to fix this if our season is'nt going to spiral downwards,
You mentioned glimpses before, I'd rather see a 6/10 1st Half and 6/10 2nd Half than a 7/10 1st Half and a 3/10 2nd Half, this role is pivotal in modern football and we cannot be so inconsistent in this key position.
Lots of positives in that 1st Half yesterday tho. | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:13 - Jan 25 with 713 views | 7374Ranger |
| Four minutes of injury time on 11:09 - Jan 25 by Juzzie |
Ok, just googled it;
Number of Substitutions: Clubs are permitted to use five substitutes in a match.
Number of Windows: Clubs are allowed a maximum of three opportunities (plus half-time) to make these five substitutions.
As someone else pointed out on another post, we used ours on 64, 74 and 82 4 players in total).
So as much as we probably wanted to bring Edwards on, we couldn’t. That cost us the points.
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He could have brought Edwards on for Mbenge, who was on a yellow, in the 84th minute. In other words, he wasted the chance to use 5 subs.
On the 4 minutes added time, there was a sending off and 2 Wrexham goals with the celebrations and yet the clueless ref added on just 47 seconds. It should have been another 30 seconds for each of those. It probably wouldn't have made much difference but it was typical of his bad performance imo. | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:19 - Jan 25 with 699 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Four minutes of injury time on 13:44 - Jan 25 by Northernr |
Could and should have had Edwards on in the 82 changes.
Said this a bit lately but you can't really be constantly talking about fatigue, fixture congestion, injuries, and then not using a full set of five subs as often as Stephan is.
Was it last week we only made three, and two of those on 86 mins? |
I have just seen that - I thought we had brought on all 5. To leave one on the bench in a 3 game week is criminal and now I am really disappointed.
At 2-1 I thought bringing on Field was a smart move to protect the lead but I thought he was the last one we had. JS had done the right thing hauling off Smyth (who I think has got off lightly in the criticism of this defeat - because that sub was enforced due to him taking the law in to his own hands with the defender constantly fouling him).
But yes, if we had a sub, use them to replace Mbengue. Could easily have gone 5 at the back worse case. I think when you announced the ref in the week I said Mbengue would get sent off. Wish I had been wrong on that!! |  | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:21 - Jan 25 with 694 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:13 - Jan 25 by 7374Ranger |
He could have brought Edwards on for Mbenge, who was on a yellow, in the 84th minute. In other words, he wasted the chance to use 5 subs.
On the 4 minutes added time, there was a sending off and 2 Wrexham goals with the celebrations and yet the clueless ref added on just 47 seconds. It should have been another 30 seconds for each of those. It probably wouldn't have made much difference but it was typical of his bad performance imo. |
I think you mean the 82nd minute or you've not read the post properly about subs | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:49 - Jan 25 with 620 views | mart_Goblin |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:03 - Jan 25 by ParkRoyalR |
I thought we would bring on Edwards earlier as at Half Time with Mbengue on a Yellow we were talking about how he was likely to get a 2nd Yellow with his habit of jumping into challenges,
A separate point but Madsen was very good in the 1st Half and the team functioned well,
Through fatigue or whatever Madsen disappeared in the 2nd Half and the team malfunctioned completely, booting it long, losing possession and we were forced to watch Wrexham build their attacks,
I get some will say it was a great assist for the corner (dreadful marking, great header) and a brilliant run forward (it was) to shoot wide, but Madsen should have been showing for that ball off the Centre Halves and Walsh for the whole of the 2nd Half and just was'nt,
We or Madsen need to fix this if our season is'nt going to spiral downwards,
You mentioned glimpses before, I'd rather see a 6/10 1st Half and 6/10 2nd Half than a 7/10 1st Half and a 3/10 2nd Half, this role is pivotal in modern football and we cannot be so inconsistent in this key position.
Lots of positives in that 1st Half yesterday tho. |
“We or Madsen need to fix this if our season is'nt going to spiral downwards”
Unlike you to blame Madsen again.
Not like it’s after every game or anything.
You forgot to mention how under rated Lyndon was . |  | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:54 - Jan 25 with 605 views | StrawberryHillR |
I thought Vale was a revelation in the middle of the park, as I'd hoped he might be, but second half he fell away rapidly and should have been hooked well before he was. His lack of game fitness far more of an issue than Madsen, who was exceptional yesterday and didn't deserve to be on the losing side. | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 15:05 - Jan 25 with 573 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Four minutes of injury time on 14:49 - Jan 25 by mart_Goblin |
“We or Madsen need to fix this if our season is'nt going to spiral downwards”
Unlike you to blame Madsen again.
Not like it’s after every game or anything.
You forgot to mention how under rated Lyndon was . |
I am giving Madsen credit for our excellent 1st Half performance, where we should have been 2-0 up,
I am blaming the collective head-loss of our senior players on conceding 2 goals in 2 minutes for the loss,
Our 2nd Half performance was very very poor yesterday and at 1-1 there only looked like one winner, Wrexham,
The root cause of this was our defenders being forced to go long to our lone striker who, good as he is, is not a centre forward to boot it long too, these types of Centre Forwards are very important to mid-table championship sides & with Frey under-performing, we do not have that option,
I could clearly see why we were forced to go long & why it was'nt working, could you? | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 15:15 - Jan 25 with 549 views | mart_Goblin |
| Four minutes of injury time on 15:05 - Jan 25 by ParkRoyalR |
I am giving Madsen credit for our excellent 1st Half performance, where we should have been 2-0 up,
I am blaming the collective head-loss of our senior players on conceding 2 goals in 2 minutes for the loss,
Our 2nd Half performance was very very poor yesterday and at 1-1 there only looked like one winner, Wrexham,
The root cause of this was our defenders being forced to go long to our lone striker who, good as he is, is not a centre forward to boot it long too, these types of Centre Forwards are very important to mid-table championship sides & with Frey under-performing, we do not have that option,
I could clearly see why we were forced to go long & why it was'nt working, could you? |
Yes.
But sometimes you have to look at the reasons and you have to give the opposition credit.
They changed their formation slightly at half time which put an extra body in the midfield where there was then no space to receive the ball . Seen a lot of criticism, from me included , but no one really giving Parkinson credit for spotting the issues and changing it.
Listen I agree , with lots of things you said about Madsen in your post. Even in that second half there were a couple of times he could have got the ball off of Cook in particular and didn’t show for it .
I saw that .
But when there are a plethora of different issues and problems and someone just keeps banging the same drum about the same player no matter the game or situation then the great points that we being made lose a little credit, in my opinion.
Dont expect you to agree with that but that’s how I see it.
He does a lot wrong Madsen , but without him, I can’t imagine how unwatchable and how relatively unsuccessful we would have been this season.
And I was his biggest critic last term . | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 15:36 - Jan 25 with 490 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Four minutes of injury time on 15:15 - Jan 25 by mart_Goblin |
Yes.
But sometimes you have to look at the reasons and you have to give the opposition credit.
They changed their formation slightly at half time which put an extra body in the midfield where there was then no space to receive the ball . Seen a lot of criticism, from me included , but no one really giving Parkinson credit for spotting the issues and changing it.
Listen I agree , with lots of things you said about Madsen in your post. Even in that second half there were a couple of times he could have got the ball off of Cook in particular and didn’t show for it .
I saw that .
But when there are a plethora of different issues and problems and someone just keeps banging the same drum about the same player no matter the game or situation then the great points that we being made lose a little credit, in my opinion.
Dont expect you to agree with that but that’s how I see it.
He does a lot wrong Madsen , but without him, I can’t imagine how unwatchable and how relatively unsuccessful we would have been this season.
And I was his biggest critic last term . |
Fair points well made,
I tend to be biased towards players who give their all for the team, hence staunch defender of both Dykes & Dunne who at times were the scape-goats for our support,
I tend to be critical (overly) of players who seem to play within themselves, hence giving up on Andre Dozzell in that Qtr Back role following a pre-season game at Wimbledon,
That 'quarter-back' role is pivotal in modern football, hence championing Chair to drop into the middle to be our Barry Bannan,
Madsen proved he can play that role very well in the 1st Half yesterday,
Lots of things went awry in that 2nd Half yesterday, including Wrexham's change of shape, our inability to freshen it up soon enough (eg Vale likewise seemed to disappear) etc
But that complete dis-connect between our defence and offence really stood out between the 45th & 80th minute,
Like the last 4 minutes, our Senior Players on the pitch have enough experience to see whats going wrong, speak to each other & fix it. | | | |
| Four minutes of injury time on 15:45 - Jan 25 with 454 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Four minutes of injury time on 15:05 - Jan 25 by ParkRoyalR |
I am giving Madsen credit for our excellent 1st Half performance, where we should have been 2-0 up,
I am blaming the collective head-loss of our senior players on conceding 2 goals in 2 minutes for the loss,
Our 2nd Half performance was very very poor yesterday and at 1-1 there only looked like one winner, Wrexham,
The root cause of this was our defenders being forced to go long to our lone striker who, good as he is, is not a centre forward to boot it long too, these types of Centre Forwards are very important to mid-table championship sides & with Frey under-performing, we do not have that option,
I could clearly see why we were forced to go long & why it was'nt working, could you? |
So, let's get this right, Kone isn't a striker who can play a little deeper off a main man, and he also isn't a target man you can hit in the traditional fashion! What kind of striker is he able to play as again? |  |
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