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Greg Clarke gone 17:39 - Nov 10 with 10720 viewsRangersDave

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Poll: Do we think Rangers wil be mathematically relegated by or on New Years day?

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Greg Clarke gone on 17:42 - Nov 10 with 4092 viewsbakerloo8

Dinosaur gone.
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Greg Clarke gone on 17:46 - Nov 10 with 4074 viewsNorthernr

No surprise there. Saw some of his appearance at lunch time and it was like watching a guy deliberately try to get fired. What can I say to make sure? Oh yeh, let's chuck a bit about coloureds in there, let's chuck that old thing about girls not wanting the ball kicked at them, nice bit about the whole FA IT department being Asian, that ought to do it.

Sadly it's distracted all attention and cover away from Parry from EFL and Masters from the Premier League which was quite distrubing in parts and project big picture and other issues as well.
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Greg Clarke gone on 17:49 - Nov 10 with 4055 viewsRangersDave

probably get a nice big payoff to 'retire' !

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Poll: Do we think Rangers wil be mathematically relegated by or on New Years day?

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Greg Clarke gone on 17:54 - Nov 10 with 4024 viewsbakerloo8

Greg Clarke gone on 17:46 - Nov 10 by Northernr

No surprise there. Saw some of his appearance at lunch time and it was like watching a guy deliberately try to get fired. What can I say to make sure? Oh yeh, let's chuck a bit about coloureds in there, let's chuck that old thing about girls not wanting the ball kicked at them, nice bit about the whole FA IT department being Asian, that ought to do it.

Sadly it's distracted all attention and cover away from Parry from EFL and Masters from the Premier League which was quite distrubing in parts and project big picture and other issues as well.


Think the comment about people making life choices to be gay was the final nail in the coffin. Proper 1950's attitude.
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Greg Clarke gone on 17:55 - Nov 10 with 4019 viewsR_from_afar

Greg Clarke gone on 17:46 - Nov 10 by Northernr

No surprise there. Saw some of his appearance at lunch time and it was like watching a guy deliberately try to get fired. What can I say to make sure? Oh yeh, let's chuck a bit about coloureds in there, let's chuck that old thing about girls not wanting the ball kicked at them, nice bit about the whole FA IT department being Asian, that ought to do it.

Sadly it's distracted all attention and cover away from Parry from EFL and Masters from the Premier League which was quite distrubing in parts and project big picture and other issues as well.


How is Parry still in post? How? It's insane, he's not even in sheep's clothing, he's just stood there, fangs bared, howling in the middle of the flock.

The fact that he is still brazenly promoting PBP shows just how broken football is in the UK.

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

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Greg Clarke gone on 17:56 - Nov 10 with 4010 viewsNorthernr

Greg Clarke gone on 17:54 - Nov 10 by bakerloo8

Think the comment about people making life choices to be gay was the final nail in the coffin. Proper 1950's attitude.


Not the first time though, for any of it. He should have been gone years and years ago. Same as Gordon Taylor. At the very top our sport is run by vile, incompetent, self-interested, clueless, dinosaurs. The FA, the Premier League, the EFL, the PFA. Fcking reptiles.

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Greg Clarke gone on 18:00 - Nov 10 with 3996 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

Greg Clarke gone on 17:56 - Nov 10 by Northernr

Not the first time though, for any of it. He should have been gone years and years ago. Same as Gordon Taylor. At the very top our sport is run by vile, incompetent, self-interested, clueless, dinosaurs. The FA, the Premier League, the EFL, the PFA. Fcking reptiles.

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Not sure what the PFA have done wrong 🤷‍♂️
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:04 - Nov 10 with 3973 viewsbakerloo8

Greg Clarke gone on 18:00 - Nov 10 by BazzaInTheLoft

Not sure what the PFA have done wrong 🤷‍♂️


Gordon Taylor?? How long have you got?
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:05 - Nov 10 with 3968 viewsNorthernr

Greg Clarke gone on 18:00 - Nov 10 by BazzaInTheLoft

Not sure what the PFA have done wrong 🤷‍♂️


Gordon Taylor? Are you on the WUM now?
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:13 - Nov 10 with 3908 viewsDorse

Bazinga!

'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'

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Greg Clarke gone on 18:13 - Nov 10 with 3910 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

Greg Clarke gone on 18:05 - Nov 10 by Northernr

Gordon Taylor? Are you on the WUM now?


Not at all.

The money is obscene, but don’t think it’s that’s the fault of Gordon Taylor or the PFA. It would be just as obscene if the PFA didn’t exist.
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:15 - Nov 10 with 3897 viewsPhildo

For no particular reason I am reminded at this moment of the milkman who could never retire or take a holiday because his replacement would see all his fiddles
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:23 - Nov 10 with 3863 viewsbakerloo8

Greg Clarke gone on 18:13 - Nov 10 by BazzaInTheLoft

Not at all.

The money is obscene, but don’t think it’s that’s the fault of Gordon Taylor or the PFA. It would be just as obscene if the PFA didn’t exist.


Didn't think Champagne Socialism was your cup of tea, but knock yourself out.
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:28 - Nov 10 with 3839 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

Greg Clarke gone on 18:23 - Nov 10 by bakerloo8

Didn't think Champagne Socialism was your cup of tea, but knock yourself out.


Calm yourself.

Just saying, we’d still be trudging up to Carlisle on a Tuesday night and paying £6.50 for a Pie wether there is a PFA or not or wether we pay Gordon Taylor £Xm pa or not.

Vincent Tan would still have been a chairman, and Macclesfield and Bury would still be drummed out the league because of EFL incompetence.

It’s not my first choice but I’d rather 40% of that mountain of cash end up in Raheem Sterling’s pocket than stay in the Saudi Royal family’s.
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:34 - Nov 10 with 3805 viewsstevec

Greg Clarke gone on 17:46 - Nov 10 by Northernr

No surprise there. Saw some of his appearance at lunch time and it was like watching a guy deliberately try to get fired. What can I say to make sure? Oh yeh, let's chuck a bit about coloureds in there, let's chuck that old thing about girls not wanting the ball kicked at them, nice bit about the whole FA IT department being Asian, that ought to do it.

Sadly it's distracted all attention and cover away from Parry from EFL and Masters from the Premier League which was quite distrubing in parts and project big picture and other issues as well.


Any advance on Championship wage cap?
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:36 - Nov 10 with 3795 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Unbelievable comments.

This is exactly why discriminatory comments have to be called out at every opportunity - so that people can't get to 63 without realising they're bigots.

That is unless he was just being a prick because it's a life choice.

"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Poll: Player of the Year (so far)

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Greg Clarke gone on 18:48 - Nov 10 with 3741 viewsNorthernr

Greg Clarke gone on 18:13 - Nov 10 by BazzaInTheLoft

Not at all.

The money is obscene, but don’t think it’s that’s the fault of Gordon Taylor or the PFA. It would be just as obscene if the PFA didn’t exist.


Look I didn't want to do this but...

- The salary, £2.2m a year, £44k a week, including a bonus of £700k+ for some reason, and a car allowance of £50k because you can’t possibly buy your own car on that salary. The best paid union boss anywhere in the history of the world.
- The fact that he’s in that ridiculously well-paid position while flouting not only the PFA rules, but also the trade union act, which state elections for the position, or nominees for it sought, every five years. He’s been in position for 40.
- Finally, under heavy duress and media pressure, commissioned a root and branch review of his shambolic organisation in 2018. As a result, said in March 2019 that he would step down along with the whole management board. Here we are end of 2020, and he’s still there.
- Jeff Astle died from/with dementia in 2002, a coroner eventually found it to be an industrial disease because of heading heavy footballs. This is in the news again this week with other cases. PFA did fck all about it for 15 years after Astle’s death, Taylor once told Astle’s widow “my mum’s got dementia and she’s never headed a ball in her life”. When a belated 22 month study did find a link they sent a glossy brochure out to members saying the PFA had been committed to this for 15 years. The PFA has currently only spent £125k from its vast resources on Alzheimer’s research and causes. I say again, the prck is on £2.2m a year, and the PFA has a bank balance north of £50m.
- During the phone hacking scandal, something which we now know affected many of his members, he accepted a £700k personal payment from News International to say nothing about it, or how his own phone had been tapped. News International lawyers later told a Commons Select Committee he told them he wanted to be “vindicated… or made rich”.
- The PFA has a painting in its headquarters worth £2m. It pays for Taylor to have a box at Manchester City worth £70,000 a season. It contributes just £125,000 to the Kick It Out racism organisation.
- Channel 4’s Dispatches revealed in 1997 that Barry Bennell had been habitually and ritualistically molesting young boys at Crewe and other clubs. Dispatches took its findings to Taylor and the PFA, requesting comment and action. They said they found "no willingness to investigate". The PFA did and said nothing about it until Ashley Westwood took it to the Guardian two decades later.
- Gambling, another highly controversial element of our sport regarding sponsorship, and an addiction that again afflicts many current and former footballers. Taylor’s leadership on this consists of £4m- worth of bets placed on the outcome of matches, and a debt to a bookmaker north of £100,000.
- Compared the search for justice of Ched Evans — initially convicted of rape, acquitted on appeal, but still somebody who quietly slid into the back of a girl his mate had picked up in a kebab shop while his brother, a school teacher, filmed from the Travelodge window on his phone — with that of the Hillsborough families. Had to apologise for that one, as you would. A very sincere and heartfelt apology it was too. Oh no, wait: "The point I was making was not to embarrass or upset anybody at all among the Liverpool supporters. I’m very much an admirer of them and they know that. That was never my intention but it was the fact that how things at one time can be perceived one way but come out very differently with the passage of time. If people feel that way about what I said, I can only apologise.”
- Banned Rachel Anderson, at the time the country’s only female football agent, from the PFA annual dinner because it was “blokes only”. When called on it refused to back down, saying there was no room, and sex discrimination laws didn't apply to private events. When fought on it fought back, all the way to the High Court, where, of course, Anderson won. Mysoginistic wnkr.
- In the wake of the John Terry and Luis Suarez race cases, hired Reginald D Hunter to do the stand up at that same PFA dinner again. Sent Clarke Carlisle out to apologise for all the subsequent “nggr” references.
- When journeyman footballer and law student Ben Purkiss became PFA chairman and started asking long overdue questions about all of the above, Taylor and the organisation instructed lawyers because he’d taken up a non-contract playing deal at Walsall, which technically precluded him from being chairman. Purkiss won that one, because non-contract players had been chairmen and members before, and the PFA knew his situation when he was appointed. Still, you lose some, you lose some.
- Breached charity commission rules by allowing Paul Elliott to remain a trustee after an IVA.
- After further digging the Charity Commission discovered the PFA’s charitable arm was declaring staff costs of £3.8m a year, but employing a staff of 0 (zero). Investigation launched.
- PFA was criticised by scores of former players for handing out “ruinous financial advice” via its financial arm which left them destitute in retirement.
- A letter was signed by 200 current and former professionals demanding Taylor resigned. Perhaps most damningly of all, Harry Redknapp and Sam Allardyce were first out in public support.

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Greg Clarke gone on 18:56 - Nov 10 with 3698 viewsbakerloo8

Greg Clarke gone on 18:48 - Nov 10 by Northernr

Look I didn't want to do this but...

- The salary, £2.2m a year, £44k a week, including a bonus of £700k+ for some reason, and a car allowance of £50k because you can’t possibly buy your own car on that salary. The best paid union boss anywhere in the history of the world.
- The fact that he’s in that ridiculously well-paid position while flouting not only the PFA rules, but also the trade union act, which state elections for the position, or nominees for it sought, every five years. He’s been in position for 40.
- Finally, under heavy duress and media pressure, commissioned a root and branch review of his shambolic organisation in 2018. As a result, said in March 2019 that he would step down along with the whole management board. Here we are end of 2020, and he’s still there.
- Jeff Astle died from/with dementia in 2002, a coroner eventually found it to be an industrial disease because of heading heavy footballs. This is in the news again this week with other cases. PFA did fck all about it for 15 years after Astle’s death, Taylor once told Astle’s widow “my mum’s got dementia and she’s never headed a ball in her life”. When a belated 22 month study did find a link they sent a glossy brochure out to members saying the PFA had been committed to this for 15 years. The PFA has currently only spent £125k from its vast resources on Alzheimer’s research and causes. I say again, the prck is on £2.2m a year, and the PFA has a bank balance north of £50m.
- During the phone hacking scandal, something which we now know affected many of his members, he accepted a £700k personal payment from News International to say nothing about it, or how his own phone had been tapped. News International lawyers later told a Commons Select Committee he told them he wanted to be “vindicated… or made rich”.
- The PFA has a painting in its headquarters worth £2m. It pays for Taylor to have a box at Manchester City worth £70,000 a season. It contributes just £125,000 to the Kick It Out racism organisation.
- Channel 4’s Dispatches revealed in 1997 that Barry Bennell had been habitually and ritualistically molesting young boys at Crewe and other clubs. Dispatches took its findings to Taylor and the PFA, requesting comment and action. They said they found "no willingness to investigate". The PFA did and said nothing about it until Ashley Westwood took it to the Guardian two decades later.
- Gambling, another highly controversial element of our sport regarding sponsorship, and an addiction that again afflicts many current and former footballers. Taylor’s leadership on this consists of £4m- worth of bets placed on the outcome of matches, and a debt to a bookmaker north of £100,000.
- Compared the search for justice of Ched Evans — initially convicted of rape, acquitted on appeal, but still somebody who quietly slid into the back of a girl his mate had picked up in a kebab shop while his brother, a school teacher, filmed from the Travelodge window on his phone — with that of the Hillsborough families. Had to apologise for that one, as you would. A very sincere and heartfelt apology it was too. Oh no, wait: "The point I was making was not to embarrass or upset anybody at all among the Liverpool supporters. I’m very much an admirer of them and they know that. That was never my intention but it was the fact that how things at one time can be perceived one way but come out very differently with the passage of time. If people feel that way about what I said, I can only apologise.”
- Banned Rachel Anderson, at the time the country’s only female football agent, from the PFA annual dinner because it was “blokes only”. When called on it refused to back down, saying there was no room, and sex discrimination laws didn't apply to private events. When fought on it fought back, all the way to the High Court, where, of course, Anderson won. Mysoginistic wnkr.
- In the wake of the John Terry and Luis Suarez race cases, hired Reginald D Hunter to do the stand up at that same PFA dinner again. Sent Clarke Carlisle out to apologise for all the subsequent “nggr” references.
- When journeyman footballer and law student Ben Purkiss became PFA chairman and started asking long overdue questions about all of the above, Taylor and the organisation instructed lawyers because he’d taken up a non-contract playing deal at Walsall, which technically precluded him from being chairman. Purkiss won that one, because non-contract players had been chairmen and members before, and the PFA knew his situation when he was appointed. Still, you lose some, you lose some.
- Breached charity commission rules by allowing Paul Elliott to remain a trustee after an IVA.
- After further digging the Charity Commission discovered the PFA’s charitable arm was declaring staff costs of £3.8m a year, but employing a staff of 0 (zero). Investigation launched.
- PFA was criticised by scores of former players for handing out “ruinous financial advice” via its financial arm which left them destitute in retirement.
- A letter was signed by 200 current and former professionals demanding Taylor resigned. Perhaps most damningly of all, Harry Redknapp and Sam Allardyce were first out in public support.

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Yeh, but apart from that?
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Greg Clarke gone on 18:57 - Nov 10 with 3693 viewsNorthernr

Greg Clarke gone on 18:56 - Nov 10 by bakerloo8

Yeh, but apart from that?


Something about aquaducts.
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Greg Clarke gone on 19:23 - Nov 10 with 3591 viewsstainrods_elbow

Greg Clarke gone on 18:36 - Nov 10 by BrianMcCarthy

Unbelievable comments.

This is exactly why discriminatory comments have to be called out at every opportunity - so that people can't get to 63 without realising they're bigots.

That is unless he was just being a prick because it's a life choice.


Admittedly, the comment about gay people making a 'life choice' doesn't play that well in 2020 (though it's a point of view, albeit not one I and probably most of us would necessarily agree with), but resigning for the sake of an at worst outdated reference to about 'coloured' players and having the temerity to claim that the different career choices of Asians and Afro-Caribbeans affects their representation is a political joke in my opinion. I haven't followed Clarke's career closely and hold no specific brief for men of his ilk, but I suspect he is guilty of no more than his critics in the final analysis - i.e. he's a product of his time/upbringing (the 1950s, iI guess) just like his career-cancellers are of theirs (though they're too programmed to see it, of course).

Some of these people need to cultivate a soupcon of self-criticality, stop obsessing about equalities of outcome and get over their virtue-signalling. Some of the nastiest and meanest people I've met in my life have been those people who are most wearyingly invested in various facets of wokeness, which is not an accident in my book. The irony is that the stated concern is all about these supposed miscreants' 'language', when it's their judges' policing of language (and thinking) that is the real Orwellian issue. Give me a break!

I'm off to watch a Jordan Peterson lecture for a bit of sanity.

Poll: What will be our upcoming/final points tally? (8 games to go)

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Greg Clarke gone on 19:32 - Nov 10 with 3550 viewsBazzaInTheLoft

I know I’m in for hiding, but here goes!

While there is some unacceptable examples of greed, corruption, and incompetence that I can’t defend there I would suggest that the majority of those issues were badly handled but ultimately not caused by the PFA?

You suggested that the PFA was running and ruining football. I’d say when they are doing wrong it’s a reaction to other people’s wrongness (Bennell / racism / head trauma related dementia / footballer destitution etc) but not the cause. They have done a lot of hard work for footballers further down the league at times, and historically ended the poverty wages for footballers. I would say the PFA has been a net good for football but happy to say it needs reform and more democratic and accountable outlook.

As for Taylor’s wages, they are obscene, but ultimately paid voluntarily out of footballer’s pockets. Can’t say the same for Sky, the EFL, or the Premier League. I would like to see Rick Parry’s salary.
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Greg Clarke gone on 19:32 - Nov 10 with 3551 viewsbakerloo8

Greg Clarke gone on 19:23 - Nov 10 by stainrods_elbow

Admittedly, the comment about gay people making a 'life choice' doesn't play that well in 2020 (though it's a point of view, albeit not one I and probably most of us would necessarily agree with), but resigning for the sake of an at worst outdated reference to about 'coloured' players and having the temerity to claim that the different career choices of Asians and Afro-Caribbeans affects their representation is a political joke in my opinion. I haven't followed Clarke's career closely and hold no specific brief for men of his ilk, but I suspect he is guilty of no more than his critics in the final analysis - i.e. he's a product of his time/upbringing (the 1950s, iI guess) just like his career-cancellers are of theirs (though they're too programmed to see it, of course).

Some of these people need to cultivate a soupcon of self-criticality, stop obsessing about equalities of outcome and get over their virtue-signalling. Some of the nastiest and meanest people I've met in my life have been those people who are most wearyingly invested in various facets of wokeness, which is not an accident in my book. The irony is that the stated concern is all about these supposed miscreants' 'language', when it's their judges' policing of language (and thinking) that is the real Orwellian issue. Give me a break!

I'm off to watch a Jordan Peterson lecture for a bit of sanity.


I'm a Prof Petersen fan but in no way can Clarkes comments be condoned. Arrogant, rude, racist, sexist and homophobic.

But apart from that.....
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Greg Clarke gone on 19:36 - Nov 10 with 3536 viewsNorthernr

Greg Clarke gone on 19:23 - Nov 10 by stainrods_elbow

Admittedly, the comment about gay people making a 'life choice' doesn't play that well in 2020 (though it's a point of view, albeit not one I and probably most of us would necessarily agree with), but resigning for the sake of an at worst outdated reference to about 'coloured' players and having the temerity to claim that the different career choices of Asians and Afro-Caribbeans affects their representation is a political joke in my opinion. I haven't followed Clarke's career closely and hold no specific brief for men of his ilk, but I suspect he is guilty of no more than his critics in the final analysis - i.e. he's a product of his time/upbringing (the 1950s, iI guess) just like his career-cancellers are of theirs (though they're too programmed to see it, of course).

Some of these people need to cultivate a soupcon of self-criticality, stop obsessing about equalities of outcome and get over their virtue-signalling. Some of the nastiest and meanest people I've met in my life have been those people who are most wearyingly invested in various facets of wokeness, which is not an accident in my book. The irony is that the stated concern is all about these supposed miscreants' 'language', when it's their judges' policing of language (and thinking) that is the real Orwellian issue. Give me a break!

I'm off to watch a Jordan Peterson lecture for a bit of sanity.


It’s not a point of view at all. It’s factually incorrect.
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Greg Clarke gone on 20:32 - Nov 10 with 3400 viewsLazyFan

Greg Clarke gone on 18:57 - Nov 10 by Northernr

Something about aquaducts.


Yes but such a national Treasure ... to himself!

zzzzzzzzzz

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Greg Clarke gone on 20:49 - Nov 10 with 3355 viewsJuzzie

Taylor will be 76 next month. F’kin hell, I’d have retired years before.

It’s beyond belief he’s gone 40 years seemingly without any kind of re-election.
Mugabe would’ve been proud and maybe Trump should have tapped him up for advice.
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