| Charlie coming home. 13:53 - Jan 8 with 27894 views | knocker |
Breaking on sky |  | | |  |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:46 - Jan 8 with 2445 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
What I loved about Charlie was how he would shoot on sight; no f*cking around - just always looking for the back of the onion bag. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:48 - Jan 8 with 2425 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:46 - Jan 8 by Wegerles_Stairs |
What I loved about Charlie was how he would shoot on sight; no f*cking around - just always looking for the back of the onion bag. |
Now it looks like he always looking for the Cheese & Onion bag. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:49 - Jan 8 with 2418 views | LongsufferingR |
Is he eligible for the play-offs? |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:54 - Jan 8 with 2364 views | sevenhoop |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:41 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very, very conflicted.
- We need a lift. The team, the club, the fans. It is a desperately dull, boring, chore watching QPR this season - exacerbated by only being able to do it on streams, but the Stoke and Reading games were miserable in the ground as well. Bringing Austin back would at least inject some fun and excitement and interest back into it, albeit highly likely for just a game or two.
- The blocking the pathways thing, worthy, completely subscribe to that, I'm always the one cracking on about how another signing isn't the answer and we're always after more blood and it never makes us much better, but I think that basically has to go on the back burner for the next six months. Pandemic, no crowds, it was always going to be difficult anyway. Weakest Championship for years and years, Sheff Wed points deduction, we've tried to get away with it and we still might, but at the moment this team looks like it's been sent in woefully short in key areas, and it stands a good chance of going down if something isn't done, even if that is short term sticking plaster stuff, which this undoubtedly is.
- Austin is a long way off the Austin we had. Overweight, injury prone, not arsd, bit of a waste of space at West Brom. We fantacise and fettishise former players like few other clubs, and bringing him back in this state risks ruining his legacy here while also doing the team no good. If he were to come back fired up, point to prove, and stick ten goals in between now and May that keeps us up, fck me what a way to go out. Legend. But you could (more likely in my view) end up blocking the pathway of the strikers we have signed, ruining Austin's legacy and how he's remembered here, spending valuable money loaning an old pro we can't keep and probably wouldn't want to, and going down anyway because he's a bit fat and crap now.
- I don't think missing chances is the problem. Unlike Hugill last year, where you could point to a good dozen really brilliant chances he missed, are Dykes and Bonne actually missing much? Bonne a couple at Bournemouth, Dykes one late v Watford. I haven't really been struck by the strikers missing a boat load of chances, more that us trying to create chances this year is like watching somebody try to sht out a snooker table. Austin never had a back to goal game and mobility even when he was good, isn't he just going to go and stand up there isolated like Dykes does now? Central midfield and full back are bigger problem zones for me, as I said when we signed Willock six months ago. If we try and go through the next half of the season with just Dykes, Bonne and Kelman we might be ok, if we try and go through it with Cameron, Ball and LTC we absolutely won't be.
- We reek of desperation. Glenn Murray, Charlie Austin, one other I've heard about but sworn to secrecy atm. These are not the signings of a club that has planned well and adequately for this season. Preston, not going up or down, straight out in the first week of the window for Jayson Molumby, brilliant player in a position we're weak in on loan from a club where the bloke in charge of the loans is best mates with our manager. Where the fck are we on that one? We've got two massive games next week. Meanwhile we're baulking at the price for a lad from Doncaster Rovers who is the right age, in a position we're pathetic in, and would be a trmendous signing - might also end up at Preston. Some very serious questions need to be asked in the summer.
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agree with all of that, except that, agreed, we are not missing that many chances but that may be because the other two are not natural goalscorers like he is; his biggest attribute was running off his man to collect the obvious pass/cross or gamble to create a space that was never there (much like BOS did at Norwich with that last minute chance, if he doesn't gamble there, there is no chance to miss).
But I am worried that he is slow and injury prone so hope we'd get back a player who is not what i have seen recently |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:55 - Jan 8 with 2356 views | Northernr |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:54 - Jan 8 by sevenhoop |
agree with all of that, except that, agreed, we are not missing that many chances but that may be because the other two are not natural goalscorers like he is; his biggest attribute was running off his man to collect the obvious pass/cross or gamble to create a space that was never there (much like BOS did at Norwich with that last minute chance, if he doesn't gamble there, there is no chance to miss).
But I am worried that he is slow and injury prone so hope we'd get back a player who is not what i have seen recently |
Yeh I agree, I'm sure we'd see some difference immediately with either him or Murray in that regard, however old and creaky they are. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:57 - Jan 8 with 2326 views | ted_hendrix |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:41 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very, very conflicted.
- We need a lift. The team, the club, the fans. It is a desperately dull, boring, chore watching QPR this season - exacerbated by only being able to do it on streams, but the Stoke and Reading games were miserable in the ground as well. Bringing Austin back would at least inject some fun and excitement and interest back into it, albeit highly likely for just a game or two.
- The blocking the pathways thing, worthy, completely subscribe to that, I'm always the one cracking on about how another signing isn't the answer and we're always after more blood and it never makes us much better, but I think that basically has to go on the back burner for the next six months. Pandemic, no crowds, it was always going to be difficult anyway. Weakest Championship for years and years, Sheff Wed points deduction, we've tried to get away with it and we still might, but at the moment this team looks like it's been sent in woefully short in key areas, and it stands a good chance of going down if something isn't done, even if that is short term sticking plaster stuff, which this undoubtedly is.
- Austin is a long way off the Austin we had. Overweight, injury prone, not arsd, bit of a waste of space at West Brom. We fantacise and fettishise former players like few other clubs, and bringing him back in this state risks ruining his legacy here while also doing the team no good. If he were to come back fired up, point to prove, and stick ten goals in between now and May that keeps us up, fck me what a way to go out. Legend. But you could (more likely in my view) end up blocking the pathway of the strikers we have signed, ruining Austin's legacy and how he's remembered here, spending valuable money loaning an old pro we can't keep and probably wouldn't want to, and going down anyway because he's a bit fat and crap now.
- I don't think missing chances is the problem. Unlike Hugill last year, where you could point to a good dozen really brilliant chances he missed, are Dykes and Bonne actually missing much? Bonne a couple at Bournemouth, Dykes one late v Watford. I haven't really been struck by the strikers missing a boat load of chances, more that us trying to create chances this year is like watching somebody try to sht out a snooker table. Austin never had a back to goal game and mobility even when he was good, isn't he just going to go and stand up there isolated like Dykes does now? Central midfield and full back are bigger problem zones for me, as I said when we signed Willock six months ago. If we try and go through the next half of the season with just Dykes, Bonne and Kelman we might be ok, if we try and go through it with Cameron, Ball and LTC we absolutely won't be.
- We reek of desperation. Glenn Murray, Charlie Austin, one other I've heard about but sworn to secrecy atm. These are not the signings of a club that has planned well and adequately for this season. Preston, not going up or down, straight out in the first week of the window for Jayson Molumby, brilliant player in a position we're weak in on loan from a club where the bloke in charge of the loans is best mates with our manager. Where the fck are we on that one? We've got two massive games next week. Meanwhile we're baulking at the price for a lad from Doncaster Rovers who is the right age, in a position we're pathetic in, and would be a trmendous signing - might also end up at Preston. Some very serious questions need to be asked in the summer.
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It is probably desperate measures as you say but are we not far off desperate measures league wise right now?
This isn't a season for developing young new signings anymore it has become a season for survival or at least that's how I see it.
Austin and Murray would be valuable six Month signings in my eyes. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 15:58 - Jan 8 with 2286 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Can't we flog Dykes to some sad club, sadder than us, to cover the cost for 6 months? |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:01 - Jan 8 with 2291 views | Dixie_CT |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:33 - Jan 8 by karl |
It harks back to different days but I do see Charlie being able to develop the players who will supply him the ball so although his cost overall will potentially look to be too much on his actual return as an over 30 striker if he adds extra value to Chair, Willock etc then that £500/750k is recouped.
I've no doubt Dykes and Bonne should learn too but if Charlie's presence teaches the suppliers when to feed the ball then we'll see a great improvement.
It's on the training ground I would expect Dykes and Bonne to pick up from CA but I would definitely hope to see Dykes starting with him as could be a great partnership if Dykes can get his touch working again, he's willing to run unselfishly and Charlie will need that I think |
This is a great point
I think it’s been evident that some of the players, with BOS particularly noticeable, have been slightly reluctant to pass/cross to Dykes or whoever is playing up front.
Where as if you see Austin running into the box, you may be more inclined to sling one into the danger area.
Players are simple and ego driven beasts sometimes and want their pass or cross to unlock the magic moment and some are more personally driven than team driven. |  | | |
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:01 - Jan 8 with 2287 views | LongsufferingR |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:55 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Yeh I agree, I'm sure we'd see some difference immediately with either him or Murray in that regard, however old and creaky they are. |
Yup, even Hemed made a difference early on in his loan spell. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:03 - Jan 8 with 2266 views | WestbourneR |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:41 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very, very conflicted.
- We need a lift. The team, the club, the fans. It is a desperately dull, boring, chore watching QPR this season - exacerbated by only being able to do it on streams, but the Stoke and Reading games were miserable in the ground as well. Bringing Austin back would at least inject some fun and excitement and interest back into it, albeit highly likely for just a game or two.
- The blocking the pathways thing, worthy, completely subscribe to that, I'm always the one cracking on about how another signing isn't the answer and we're always after more blood and it never makes us much better, but I think that basically has to go on the back burner for the next six months. Pandemic, no crowds, it was always going to be difficult anyway. Weakest Championship for years and years, Sheff Wed points deduction, we've tried to get away with it and we still might, but at the moment this team looks like it's been sent in woefully short in key areas, and it stands a good chance of going down if something isn't done, even if that is short term sticking plaster stuff, which this undoubtedly is.
- Austin is a long way off the Austin we had. Overweight, injury prone, not arsd, bit of a waste of space at West Brom. We fantacise and fettishise former players like few other clubs, and bringing him back in this state risks ruining his legacy here while also doing the team no good. If he were to come back fired up, point to prove, and stick ten goals in between now and May that keeps us up, fck me what a way to go out. Legend. But you could (more likely in my view) end up blocking the pathway of the strikers we have signed, ruining Austin's legacy and how he's remembered here, spending valuable money loaning an old pro we can't keep and probably wouldn't want to, and going down anyway because he's a bit fat and crap now.
- I don't think missing chances is the problem. Unlike Hugill last year, where you could point to a good dozen really brilliant chances he missed, are Dykes and Bonne actually missing much? Bonne a couple at Bournemouth, Dykes one late v Watford. I haven't really been struck by the strikers missing a boat load of chances, more that us trying to create chances this year is like watching somebody try to sht out a snooker table. Austin never had a back to goal game and mobility even when he was good, isn't he just going to go and stand up there isolated like Dykes does now? Central midfield and full back are bigger problem zones for me, as I said when we signed Willock six months ago. If we try and go through the next half of the season with just Dykes, Bonne and Kelman we might be ok, if we try and go through it with Cameron, Ball and LTC we absolutely won't be.
- We reek of desperation. Glenn Murray, Charlie Austin, one other I've heard about but sworn to secrecy atm. These are not the signings of a club that has planned well and adequately for this season. Preston, not going up or down, straight out in the first week of the window for Jayson Molumby, brilliant player in a position we're weak in on loan from a club where the bloke in charge of the loans is best mates with our manager. Where the fck are we on that one? We've got two massive games next week. Meanwhile we're baulking at the price for a lad from Doncaster Rovers who is the right age, in a position we're pathetic in, and would be a trmendous signing - might also end up at Preston. Some very serious questions need to be asked in the summer.
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Agree with most of this except that his hold up game is being totally unfairly criticised. He was a very good as one up top and a very good link man. Far better than what we have.
Also it's not just about missing chances, our strikers aren't getting in the right positions to even have chances. Unfortunately Dykes seems to have the same instinct for where the ball will be as Conor Washington, as in, none.
Lastly, with Austin, it wasn't that long ago that I thought he looked like Southampton's most potent striker, and that was in the Prem. He isn't ancient and I definitely think that with a proper run in a side he has a second wind in him.
Plus he loves the club and we love him |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:05 - Jan 8 with 2248 views | Northernr |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:01 - Jan 8 by Dixie_CT |
This is a great point
I think it’s been evident that some of the players, with BOS particularly noticeable, have been slightly reluctant to pass/cross to Dykes or whoever is playing up front.
Where as if you see Austin running into the box, you may be more inclined to sling one into the danger area.
Players are simple and ego driven beasts sometimes and want their pass or cross to unlock the magic moment and some are more personally driven than team driven. |
Well another point that Sinton made on our Patreon pod with him is that when he played (and TBF he was talking about Les, David Hirst, Shearer so amazing players) if as a winger you worked some space and then didn't put the ball in they would let you know in no uncertain terms. Austin, Murray would do that too, I don't really see or hear the same from our present strikers. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:08 - Jan 8 with 2200 views | rsonist |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:05 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Well another point that Sinton made on our Patreon pod with him is that when he played (and TBF he was talking about Les, David Hirst, Shearer so amazing players) if as a winger you worked some space and then didn't put the ball in they would let you know in no uncertain terms. Austin, Murray would do that too, I don't really see or hear the same from our present strikers. |
Is it Austin AND Murray we're thinking then? Yikes if so. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:10 - Jan 8 with 2183 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Charlie coming home. on 14:06 - Jan 8 by mcqpr10 |
Defo not the same player but miles better than what we have and is a quality finisher. Be a great signing and a lift for the fans. |
And a big kick in the balls for the young players trying to get games and improve. I really had hoped we had learnt our lessons over players looking for a last payday at QPR. I would rather Charlie Kelman or Charley Kendall played before Austin. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:11 - Jan 8 with 2177 views | Northernr |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:08 - Jan 8 by rsonist |
Is it Austin AND Murray we're thinking then? Yikes if so. |
Sorry, no, not being clear there, I wouldn't have thought so, one or the other.
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:13 - Jan 8 with 2140 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I see a few posts about slow/no crosses from BOS and Chair. I don't think it applies at all to Chair as per Antti's tweet midweek. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:16 - Jan 8 with 2104 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:41 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very, very conflicted.
- We need a lift. The team, the club, the fans. It is a desperately dull, boring, chore watching QPR this season - exacerbated by only being able to do it on streams, but the Stoke and Reading games were miserable in the ground as well. Bringing Austin back would at least inject some fun and excitement and interest back into it, albeit highly likely for just a game or two.
- The blocking the pathways thing, worthy, completely subscribe to that, I'm always the one cracking on about how another signing isn't the answer and we're always after more blood and it never makes us much better, but I think that basically has to go on the back burner for the next six months. Pandemic, no crowds, it was always going to be difficult anyway. Weakest Championship for years and years, Sheff Wed points deduction, we've tried to get away with it and we still might, but at the moment this team looks like it's been sent in woefully short in key areas, and it stands a good chance of going down if something isn't done, even if that is short term sticking plaster stuff, which this undoubtedly is.
- Austin is a long way off the Austin we had. Overweight, injury prone, not arsd, bit of a waste of space at West Brom. We fantacise and fettishise former players like few other clubs, and bringing him back in this state risks ruining his legacy here while also doing the team no good. If he were to come back fired up, point to prove, and stick ten goals in between now and May that keeps us up, fck me what a way to go out. Legend. But you could (more likely in my view) end up blocking the pathway of the strikers we have signed, ruining Austin's legacy and how he's remembered here, spending valuable money loaning an old pro we can't keep and probably wouldn't want to, and going down anyway because he's a bit fat and crap now.
- I don't think missing chances is the problem. Unlike Hugill last year, where you could point to a good dozen really brilliant chances he missed, are Dykes and Bonne actually missing much? Bonne a couple at Bournemouth, Dykes one late v Watford. I haven't really been struck by the strikers missing a boat load of chances, more that us trying to create chances this year is like watching somebody try to sht out a snooker table. Austin never had a back to goal game and mobility even when he was good, isn't he just going to go and stand up there isolated like Dykes does now? Central midfield and full back are bigger problem zones for me, as I said when we signed Willock six months ago. If we try and go through the next half of the season with just Dykes, Bonne and Kelman we might be ok, if we try and go through it with Cameron, Ball and LTC we absolutely won't be.
- We reek of desperation. Glenn Murray, Charlie Austin, one other I've heard about but sworn to secrecy atm. These are not the signings of a club that has planned well and adequately for this season. Preston, not going up or down, straight out in the first week of the window for Jayson Molumby, brilliant player in a position we're weak in on loan from a club where the bloke in charge of the loans is best mates with our manager. Where the fck are we on that one? We've got two massive games next week. Meanwhile we're baulking at the price for a lad from Doncaster Rovers who is the right age, in a position we're pathetic in, and would be a trmendous signing - might also end up at Preston. Some very serious questions need to be asked in the summer.
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Good post.
I'm not getting excited about this until we see what Austin we get. Also, how will we play?
I take your points about recruitment but really don't know enough about budgets and wages to comment just yet. | |
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:21 - Jan 8 with 2042 views | BklynRanger |
I'm sticking with my 'good news' position, but one doubt specific to the times is I hope he actually gets the chance to rub off on Dykes, Bonne and Kelman.
Warbs has been describing increased distancing measures and reduced chances for players to be together. I know there will - hopefully - be chances in training but hope there are enough of those.
Rather than watching Bright and Ilias exchanging confused looks as to what the big round shouty bloke up front is on about. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:25 - Jan 8 with 1994 views | Red_Ranger |
Anyone know if Niko is joining him? [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 16:27]
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:26 - Jan 8 with 1986 views | Antti_Heinola |
At this stage I'm not bothered about anyone being blocked from the first team. We need experience, we need people with strength and leadership, we need goals. Charlie *could* give us all that, as could Murray.
In an ideal world, would we be looking at them? Not really, but we're struggling. It's not going to kill Kelman (who is still v young and wasn't bought, I don't think, to be a first team player tis season) to get a clean slate next season, and if things went really well and we were safe before last couple of games of the season, he can have a game then.
I thought Murray would be ideal as a short term solution to hopefully a short term problem. Charlie is similar. They don't need to play every game either.
Otherwise, totally agree with Clive's post.
We always say it, but Furs looked short term, so did Wilkins, so did Clint Hill etc and so on. Those three played for us for a combined total of over 20 years. (although obviously there are loads more examples of older players who were total failures).
I still think Dykes will come good, and I'm not writing off Bonne after half a season mainly on the bench either. Still think they both have plenty of potential. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:34 - Jan 8 with 1886 views | rsonist |
Can get your family tree researched for free today if you put that post on Twitter btw Norf #DealAlert | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:35 - Jan 8 with 1884 views | 1JD |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:13 - Jan 8 by BrianMcCarthy |
I see a few posts about slow/no crosses from BOS and Chair. I don't think it applies at all to Chair as per Antti's tweet midweek. |
I posted some key data points before, as true on the 20th Dec. Here they are again;
Ilias Chair
Key passes; 2.0 per game (7th in the league)
Average crosses; 1.8 per game (5th in the league)
Bright Osayi-Samuel
Key passes; 1.2 per game (40th in the league)
Average crosses; 0.2 per game (138th in the league)
It’s very clear where the problem lies in terms of service. And it isn’t Ilias. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:41 - Jan 8 with 1818 views | daveB |
I agree with all of that from Clive, it's pure panic from the club and doesn't show Ferdinand in a good light that we don't appear at all prepared for this window.
But for me we need 3 signings this window urgently. A strong centre half who can defend, a midfielder who can get about the pitch and have quality on the ball and an experienced forward who knows where the back of the net is.
We have other areas that could do with improving but those 3 are key for us and we have top get all 3 of those bang on if we are going to stay up and we have to do it quickly as we have some massive games coming up on the next 3 weeks |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:48 - Jan 8 with 1745 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:10 - Jan 8 by Esox_Lucius |
And a big kick in the balls for the young players trying to get games and improve. I really had hoped we had learnt our lessons over players looking for a last payday at QPR. I would rather Charlie Kelman or Charley Kendall played before Austin. |
This is a ridiculous post: neither of those players have shown they will be anywhere near being first team regulars for the rest of season (which is how long we will be signing Austin or Murray for).
Kendall is doing well for Eastbourne Borough I believe but perhaps he needs a few loan spells a lot further up the football ladder before he is a realistic prospect for the QPR first team. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:49 - Jan 8 with 1739 views | Northernr |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:34 - Jan 8 by rsonist |
Can get your family tree researched for free today if you put that post on Twitter btw Norf #DealAlert |
Well, yes, quite. An absolute prime example of why Twitter is now for article links, jokes and memes from me, and if I want to have a serious chat with QPR people or express an opinion about something I do it on here with you lot, who I may not always agree with, but I know I can rely on not to do vile things like that. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:49 - Jan 8 with 1731 views | LazyFan |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:35 - Jan 8 by 1JD |
I posted some key data points before, as true on the 20th Dec. Here they are again;
Ilias Chair
Key passes; 2.0 per game (7th in the league)
Average crosses; 1.8 per game (5th in the league)
Bright Osayi-Samuel
Key passes; 1.2 per game (40th in the league)
Average crosses; 0.2 per game (138th in the league)
It’s very clear where the problem lies in terms of service. And it isn’t Ilias. |
This was my feeling too.
BOS is great on the movement and some dribble, but there is the very little climax to it all.
Do geddit? If not, unlucky.
Anyway, Chair after the first few games changed his approach and has become somewhat more direct. Less time hanging onto the ball as with the first few games.
BOS has not adapted at all. I would hope we get another winger in who actually cross the ball even without beating the man when BOS goes. |  |
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