| Charlie coming home. 13:53 - Jan 8 with 29209 views | knocker |
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| Charlie coming home. on 16:55 - Jan 8 with 2727 views | Phildo |
some chatter about that Rhodes and Murray will cost more in wages than Austin? |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:58 - Jan 8 with 2701 views | Northernr |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:55 - Jan 8 by Phildo |
some chatter about that Rhodes and Murray will cost more in wages than Austin? |
Whichever one of the three we end up with we're either blowing up our pay structure many hundreds of percent over, or more likely the parent club is swallowing a big chunk just to shift them. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:00 - Jan 8 with 2662 views | 1JD |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:41 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very, very conflicted.
- We need a lift. The team, the club, the fans. It is a desperately dull, boring, chore watching QPR this season - exacerbated by only being able to do it on streams, but the Stoke and Reading games were miserable in the ground as well. Bringing Austin back would at least inject some fun and excitement and interest back into it, albeit highly likely for just a game or two.
- The blocking the pathways thing, worthy, completely subscribe to that, I'm always the one cracking on about how another signing isn't the answer and we're always after more blood and it never makes us much better, but I think that basically has to go on the back burner for the next six months. Pandemic, no crowds, it was always going to be difficult anyway. Weakest Championship for years and years, Sheff Wed points deduction, we've tried to get away with it and we still might, but at the moment this team looks like it's been sent in woefully short in key areas, and it stands a good chance of going down if something isn't done, even if that is short term sticking plaster stuff, which this undoubtedly is.
- Austin is a long way off the Austin we had. Overweight, injury prone, not arsd, bit of a waste of space at West Brom. We fantacise and fettishise former players like few other clubs, and bringing him back in this state risks ruining his legacy here while also doing the team no good. If he were to come back fired up, point to prove, and stick ten goals in between now and May that keeps us up, fck me what a way to go out. Legend. But you could (more likely in my view) end up blocking the pathway of the strikers we have signed, ruining Austin's legacy and how he's remembered here, spending valuable money loaning an old pro we can't keep and probably wouldn't want to, and going down anyway because he's a bit fat and crap now.
- I don't think missing chances is the problem. Unlike Hugill last year, where you could point to a good dozen really brilliant chances he missed, are Dykes and Bonne actually missing much? Bonne a couple at Bournemouth, Dykes one late v Watford. I haven't really been struck by the strikers missing a boat load of chances, more that us trying to create chances this year is like watching somebody try to sht out a snooker table. Austin never had a back to goal game and mobility even when he was good, isn't he just going to go and stand up there isolated like Dykes does now? Central midfield and full back are bigger problem zones for me, as I said when we signed Willock six months ago. If we try and go through the next half of the season with just Dykes, Bonne and Kelman we might be ok, if we try and go through it with Cameron, Ball and LTC we absolutely won't be.
- We reek of desperation. Glenn Murray, Charlie Austin, one other I've heard about but sworn to secrecy atm. These are not the signings of a club that has planned well and adequately for this season. Preston, not going up or down, straight out in the first week of the window for Jayson Molumby, brilliant player in a position we're weak in on loan from a club where the bloke in charge of the loans is best mates with our manager. Where the fck are we on that one? We've got two massive games next week. Meanwhile we're baulking at the price for a lad from Doncaster Rovers who is the right age, in a position we're pathetic in, and would be a trmendous signing - might also end up at Preston. Some very serious questions need to be asked in the summer.
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You sum up the situation well but stop short of describing who / what the problem is, why we are in this mess, and also what the solution or possible remedy is. I’d be interested to hear more of your thoughts on this.
I think serious questions need to be asked now by the board of directors, and they should not wait until the summer. That said, now is probably not the time for major decisions and big changes. However. I’m at least hoping a strategic review is under way in terms of analysing the performance of senior figures across all major functions at the club.
As far as I see if; the CEO is responsible for the overall stewardship of all functions and finances. Possibly accountable. The DOF is responsible for the overall product. Definitely accountable. The manager is by and large the manger and coach. Partially accountable. Academy Director. Not accountable. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:02 - Jan 8 with 2645 views | MedwayR |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:41 - Jan 8 by daveB |
I agree with all of that from Clive, it's pure panic from the club and doesn't show Ferdinand in a good light that we don't appear at all prepared for this window.
But for me we need 3 signings this window urgently. A strong centre half who can defend, a midfielder who can get about the pitch and have quality on the ball and an experienced forward who knows where the back of the net is.
We have other areas that could do with improving but those 3 are key for us and we have top get all 3 of those bang on if we are going to stay up and we have to do it quickly as we have some massive games coming up on the next 3 weeks |
So basically a spine to the team.
I don't disagree by the way. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 17:08 - Jan 8 with 2573 views | daveB |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:58 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Whichever one of the three we end up with we're either blowing up our pay structure many hundreds of percent over, or more likely the parent club is swallowing a big chunk just to shift them. |
Imagine they will cost about the same as Hugil did last season and were hoping to sign again last summer |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:08 - Jan 8 with 2572 views | londonscottish |
| Charlie coming home. on 14:18 - Jan 8 by enfieldargh |
Charlie Charlie Chrlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Austin
Niko NikoNiko Niko Niko Niko Hammalinen
oh it does rhyme!!!! |
That would be f&&ing hilarious.
If only we could go...... |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 17:10 - Jan 8 with 2551 views | daveB |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:02 - Jan 8 by MedwayR |
So basically a spine to the team.
I don't disagree by the way. |
yeah when you put it like that is not great, as i said it doesn't reflect well on ferdinand that so many key positions are still needed | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:14 - Jan 8 with 2506 views | R_from_afar |
Bringing in an expensive loan player is clearly not part of the strategy, but if we stick rigidly to the strategy given where we are in the league, we are risking going down. I think the December we had meant it was essential.
To its credit, the club bought two promising strikers but they have not delivered, yet.
We brought in expensive strikers on loan before, but this time, we have two (hopefully) promising strikers which we own who can, all being well, learn from an experienced and proven goal scorer like Charlie.
Austin could - could, pray with me - be the making of Albert too. CA is a proper targetman who knows which areas to get into and who is great in the air. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 17:18 - Jan 8 with 2467 views | BrianWilson |
Couple of times I've seen Austin come on for West Brom this year, I think he looks f##ked....then I think from a sentimental point of view maybe it could work out at a lower level for him and us.
Think a deal for Murray is more sensible. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 17:24 - Jan 8 with 2411 views | Northernr |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:10 - Jan 8 by daveB |
yeah when you put it like that is not great, as i said it doesn't reflect well on ferdinand that so many key positions are still needed |
That's basically the situation Gregory inherited. A woefully underequipped squad after a poor summer recruitment drive, and he went out and got Camp, Cullip and Bolder to stick right down the middle of the team. All three brilliant for us in the second half of that season. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:29 - Jan 8 with 2359 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:16 - Jan 8 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good post.
I'm not getting excited about this until we see what Austin we get. Also, how will we play?
I take your points about recruitment but really don't know enough about budgets and wages to comment just yet. |
I believe completely in the policy of bringing our youngsters through on a pathway to the first team, however, the team needs to be competitive at all times and certainly not in a relegation battle with moral and performances deteriorating. The fact that we are even looking at Austin and Murray proves beyond doubt that everyone at the club knows we are in trouble. The current squad clearly needs a full and intense pre-season together to sort things out and for Warburton to understand whether he has the right players to compete effectively. I don’t think Austin is the answer particularly, as we will need to score more than we will concede. The lad at Doncaster could have been the anchor in midfield we so desperately need. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:31 - Jan 8 with 2341 views | QPROslo |
We need goals to stay in this League, so for me the priority is at least 1 striker because Dykes and Bonne aren't getting them, and dont look like getting them. I'd prefer someone more prolific than any of these 3 are now, but get all 3, give them 30 minutes each from the 35 subs is it we can use now, and maybe we'll score enough to stay up. [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 17:33]
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| Charlie coming home. on 17:31 - Jan 8 with 2337 views | ted_hendrix |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:08 - Jan 8 by bosh67 |
Baggies trying to get some of his wages off their books but I can’t see us being able to pay more than £5k towards that a week so approximately £65k short of his weekly wage. I’d love this to happen even though he is nowhere near as mobile as he was, even though he’s still only 31. Can’t see how this adds up financially but I live in hope!
Would love him to play in the Luton game and score the winner! |
How on earth do you know Austin is on £70k per week?
Nobody on this MB knows what players are on per week at other clubs unless they've seen said players pay slips.
Not criticising your post directly Bosh and of course financially we aint in a good position right now but for the life of me I always laugh at posts that quote players weekly wages, I don't know of or have ever seen a players wage slip exposed on this MB. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 17:31 - Jan 8 with 2335 views | GloryHunter |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:01 - Jan 8 by Dixie_CT |
This is a great point
I think it’s been evident that some of the players, with BOS particularly noticeable, have been slightly reluctant to pass/cross to Dykes or whoever is playing up front.
Where as if you see Austin running into the box, you may be more inclined to sling one into the danger area.
Players are simple and ego driven beasts sometimes and want their pass or cross to unlock the magic moment and some are more personally driven than team driven. |
That's exactly right. The Charlie Austin I remember would simply not tolerate going for ten minutes without his team mates giving him a scoring chance. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:41 - Jan 8 with 2267 views | NorthantsHoop |
Midfield has always worried me, Cameron can't pass, Carroll too lightweight. Ball can do a job, but he is a sort of utility player. Dykes and Bonne don't fill me with much confidence up front, but at least we own them and if Dykes does OK for Scotland this season, may be able to sell at a profit. He looks a one season player to me, even if we stay up.
The Charlie Austin situation, who knows can't do any worse as long as his salary is being subsidised by West Brom, although he has looked really unfit last couple of seasons. [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 17:42]
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| Charlie coming home. on 17:47 - Jan 8 with 2199 views | rsonist |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:14 - Jan 8 by R_from_afar |
Bringing in an expensive loan player is clearly not part of the strategy, but if we stick rigidly to the strategy given where we are in the league, we are risking going down. I think the December we had meant it was essential.
To its credit, the club bought two promising strikers but they have not delivered, yet.
We brought in expensive strikers on loan before, but this time, we have two (hopefully) promising strikers which we own who can, all being well, learn from an experienced and proven goal scorer like Charlie.
Austin could - could, pray with me - be the making of Albert too. CA is a proper targetman who knows which areas to get into and who is great in the air. |
Yeah it's a sticking plaster but some seem to feel it's going over a disembowelling rather than a nasty(ish) cut.
If you accept that a huge part of the issue with the strikers is the service they're getting (and by that logic that it's silly to write them off already) then the ~~ legitimate concerns ~~ fall to the midfield (buggered by injury), fullbacks and above all general failings in coaching wrt turning possession into penetration.
I don't believe the plan was ever to build it all in one window - nine weeks between going with Hamalainen and the Manning sell-on and transfer window so why not give him a good look imo for instance - so while we're underperforming by midtable expectations now I don't really quite feel the need to get on the "serious questions have to be asked" hindsight train just yet personally. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:54 - Jan 8 with 2146 views | Northernr |
| Charlie coming home. on 17:47 - Jan 8 by rsonist |
Yeah it's a sticking plaster but some seem to feel it's going over a disembowelling rather than a nasty(ish) cut.
If you accept that a huge part of the issue with the strikers is the service they're getting (and by that logic that it's silly to write them off already) then the ~~ legitimate concerns ~~ fall to the midfield (buggered by injury), fullbacks and above all general failings in coaching wrt turning possession into penetration.
I don't believe the plan was ever to build it all in one window - nine weeks between going with Hamalainen and the Manning sell-on and transfer window so why not give him a good look imo for instance - so while we're underperforming by midtable expectations now I don't really quite feel the need to get on the "serious questions have to be asked" hindsight train just yet personally. |
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding the brackets but when you say the midfield is buggered by injury, do you mean Amos? Cos that's one injury, to a player that by and large had been underwelming last season and most of this, though admitedly had started to play a bit just before it and it is unfortunate we've lost him. We've played some teams recently - Blackburn, Reading, Stoke - missing 8, 9, 10 first team players. Good ones. Relatively speaking we've gotten off v v v lightly with injuries and Covid so far compared to a lot of sides in this league. A midfield that's buggered by losing Luke Amos is a poor midfield. | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 18:05 - Jan 8 with 2054 views | extratimeR |
Very good news, I must admit Im a bit surprised about all the comments about Charlies fitness levels, Im sure we will try and use him in a similiar fashion as West brom, (as an impact sub), West brom had no illusions about Charlie managing 90 minutes with his existing injury history but he scored some vital goals and buried some important penalties to earn points in the promotion run in, (Preston away I remember in particular).
I think thats how we will use him, let Dykes/Kellman/Bonne crsh around and then when the games a bit "stretched" get him on.
The wages thing is immaterial, he isnt going to feature for West Brom with their new Manager, and they will just be happy to reduce their outgoings, whether its £10,000 or £15,000 a week.
Very pleased, (and God forbid if he gets injured then he go's back). | | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 18:07 - Jan 8 with 2036 views | BostonR |
Glen Murray is a better bet than Austin at this moment in time. Austin looks well out of shape and this does seem a bit knee-jerk. The team needs a stronger spine and surely that is where we should be looking, not at a partly fit former talisman.
What the feck is going on at LR? Wheels really coming off big time. |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 18:13 - Jan 8 with 1985 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:41 - Jan 8 by daveB |
I agree with all of that from Clive, it's pure panic from the club and doesn't show Ferdinand in a good light that we don't appear at all prepared for this window.
But for me we need 3 signings this window urgently. A strong centre half who can defend, a midfielder who can get about the pitch and have quality on the ball and an experienced forward who knows where the back of the net is.
We have other areas that could do with improving but those 3 are key for us and we have top get all 3 of those bang on if we are going to stay up and we have to do it quickly as we have some massive games coming up on the next 3 weeks |
Don't think it's panic at all. They wanted Dkes/Bonne to work out. It hasn't (yet). We're struggling for goals, but we've invested in three strikers who we still hope might come good in the future. Therefore makes sense to look short term for a proven, affordable scorer on loan. Austin is almost exactly just a year older than Wells. Granted, his fitness isn't close to Nahki's, but potentially it's a signing that could work on a number of levels.
Also disagree about the centre half. would've agreed two months ago - now, I'd say loan striker, CM and a left back are all more important than a CB, currently. |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 18:20 - Jan 8 with 1913 views | hertshoops |
| Charlie coming home. on 16:41 - Jan 8 by daveB |
I agree with all of that from Clive, it's pure panic from the club and doesn't show Ferdinand in a good light that we don't appear at all prepared for this window.
But for me we need 3 signings this window urgently. A strong centre half who can defend, a midfielder who can get about the pitch and have quality on the ball and an experienced forward who knows where the back of the net is.
We have other areas that could do with improving but those 3 are key for us and we have top get all 3 of those bang on if we are going to stay up and we have to do it quickly as we have some massive games coming up on the next 3 weeks |
That's arguably what we needed for the start of the season and only Dickie fulfills any of those roles - that we're in the proverbial and panicking in January doesn't reflect well on Les and MW |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 18:33 - Jan 8 with 1819 views | soops |
Charlie Austin?
My heart is telling my head to shut the fck up |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 18:35 - Jan 8 with 1785 views | Hayesender |
Apparently forest are in for him now. Well, they are a bit short |  |
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| Charlie coming home. on 18:37 - Jan 8 with 1771 views | 100percent |
I'm in the slightly sceptical camp regarding Charlie's return. Two things that do need to be pointed out though are: positioning - Charlie's is head and shoulders above both Dykes and Bonne in knowing where to be at the right time - he's a typical poacher that reads the game extremely well. Secondly, Charlie has always been economical with his energy levels - he's not the sort of mackie type player that runs himself into the ground - he uses his limited liveliness sparingly for the moments when its needed - he proved this through out the period when he had the shoulder injury.... |  | | |
| Charlie coming home. on 18:44 - Jan 8 with 1719 views | DejR_vu |
| Charlie coming home. on 15:41 - Jan 8 by Northernr |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Very, very conflicted.
- We need a lift. The team, the club, the fans. It is a desperately dull, boring, chore watching QPR this season - exacerbated by only being able to do it on streams, but the Stoke and Reading games were miserable in the ground as well. Bringing Austin back would at least inject some fun and excitement and interest back into it, albeit highly likely for just a game or two.
- The blocking the pathways thing, worthy, completely subscribe to that, I'm always the one cracking on about how another signing isn't the answer and we're always after more blood and it never makes us much better, but I think that basically has to go on the back burner for the next six months. Pandemic, no crowds, it was always going to be difficult anyway. Weakest Championship for years and years, Sheff Wed points deduction, we've tried to get away with it and we still might, but at the moment this team looks like it's been sent in woefully short in key areas, and it stands a good chance of going down if something isn't done, even if that is short term sticking plaster stuff, which this undoubtedly is.
- Austin is a long way off the Austin we had. Overweight, injury prone, not arsd, bit of a waste of space at West Brom. We fantacise and fettishise former players like few other clubs, and bringing him back in this state risks ruining his legacy here while also doing the team no good. If he were to come back fired up, point to prove, and stick ten goals in between now and May that keeps us up, fck me what a way to go out. Legend. But you could (more likely in my view) end up blocking the pathway of the strikers we have signed, ruining Austin's legacy and how he's remembered here, spending valuable money loaning an old pro we can't keep and probably wouldn't want to, and going down anyway because he's a bit fat and crap now.
- I don't think missing chances is the problem. Unlike Hugill last year, where you could point to a good dozen really brilliant chances he missed, are Dykes and Bonne actually missing much? Bonne a couple at Bournemouth, Dykes one late v Watford. I haven't really been struck by the strikers missing a boat load of chances, more that us trying to create chances this year is like watching somebody try to sht out a snooker table. Austin never had a back to goal game and mobility even when he was good, isn't he just going to go and stand up there isolated like Dykes does now? Central midfield and full back are bigger problem zones for me, as I said when we signed Willock six months ago. If we try and go through the next half of the season with just Dykes, Bonne and Kelman we might be ok, if we try and go through it with Cameron, Ball and LTC we absolutely won't be.
- We reek of desperation. Glenn Murray, Charlie Austin, one other I've heard about but sworn to secrecy atm. These are not the signings of a club that has planned well and adequately for this season. Preston, not going up or down, straight out in the first week of the window for Jayson Molumby, brilliant player in a position we're weak in on loan from a club where the bloke in charge of the loans is best mates with our manager. Where the fck are we on that one? We've got two massive games next week. Meanwhile we're baulking at the price for a lad from Doncaster Rovers who is the right age, in a position we're pathetic in, and would be a trmendous signing - might also end up at Preston. Some very serious questions need to be asked in the summer.
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"Some very serious questions need to be asked in the summer."
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