| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M 02:12 - Jun 18 with 26087 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Never done one before.
Heart says 3-0 and head says ‘yeah probably’.
England win, everyone shrugs their shoulders
Scotland win (or draw), and we’ll never hear the end of it.
Scotland nothing to lose. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 11:30]
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Maybe I am being unfair on the Scots but if they lose to Croatia the fans won't care as not losing to England is all that matters so the tournament will have been a success. |
That's not how Scots will see it. If Scotland lose on Tuesday it will all have been in vain and rescuing a point against England is hardly a compensation.
I was at Wembley in 99 when Scotland won 1-0 in a Euro qualifier but that didn't change the fact that the aggregate ended up 1-2 and it was a dead rubber anyway as Scotland had already been eliminated.
Going out on Tuesday will be yeat another glorious failure and Scots are sick fed up of that. |  |
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We won’t learn anything about England on Tuesday as it’s essentially a meaningless game as both sides are already through to the next round. We’ll learn more about them when they play their first knockout match against a top side. Unless Southgate gets his team selection and tactics right they will lose. |
We’ve qualified but you’d hope the players want to get back on track and if Southgate shuffles his pack we’ll learn a lot about the likes of Grealish, Sancho etc as it’ll be their opportunity to stake a claim for a first team place.
That said, if we don’t win on Tuesday we’ll avoid France, Germany or Portugal and probably face one of Spain, Sweden, Poland or Slovakia. So maybe another draw wouldn’t be such a bad thing. |  | | |
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We’ve qualified but you’d hope the players want to get back on track and if Southgate shuffles his pack we’ll learn a lot about the likes of Grealish, Sancho etc as it’ll be their opportunity to stake a claim for a first team place.
That said, if we don’t win on Tuesday we’ll avoid France, Germany or Portugal and probably face one of Spain, Sweden, Poland or Slovakia. So maybe another draw wouldn’t be such a bad thing. |
I get the whole “set out to win every game” mantra but IMO tournament football, especialy at group stage, is a different beast to a nine month league or knockout cup competition.
I think you need to be clever and look at the bigger picture and see what path is potentially better. If a draw on Tuesday means a better chance to progress then I see no problem with aiming for that. To win the war you have to go through a series of battles.
In Russia 2018 I felt Belgium should have lost to us in the final group game as they more than likely would have got to the Final as they would have gone down the knockout path we did which I think was better than the one they did. |  | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 09:36 - Jun 20 by Juzzie |
I get the whole “set out to win every game” mantra but IMO tournament football, especialy at group stage, is a different beast to a nine month league or knockout cup competition.
I think you need to be clever and look at the bigger picture and see what path is potentially better. If a draw on Tuesday means a better chance to progress then I see no problem with aiming for that. To win the war you have to go through a series of battles.
In Russia 2018 I felt Belgium should have lost to us in the final group game as they more than likely would have got to the Final as they would have gone down the knockout path we did which I think was better than the one they did. |
I agree but others will say it’s important to build momentum and we’ll have to play a top team at some point etc.
Personally I’d rather see England aim for a path that’ll see them stay in the tournament for as long as possible and if that means another draw on Tuesday then so be it. | | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 08:50 - Jun 20 by traininvain |
We’ve qualified but you’d hope the players want to get back on track and if Southgate shuffles his pack we’ll learn a lot about the likes of Grealish, Sancho etc as it’ll be their opportunity to stake a claim for a first team place.
That said, if we don’t win on Tuesday we’ll avoid France, Germany or Portugal and probably face one of Spain, Sweden, Poland or Slovakia. So maybe another draw wouldn’t be such a bad thing. |
If Englandf finish 2nd they play the winners of the French group in the quarter finals so no point trying to avoid them. Last world cup was different as finishing 2nd was a much easier route to the final due to Argentina and Spain struggling. This tournament any route you take to the final is tough.
Would personally think playing one of these top nations at home is our best chance of beating them so we should try and win the group and play ourselves into some form |  | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:21 - Jun 19 by gazza1 |
Another poster who makes excuses and has so low expectations and tries to say that I am deluded.....the data is in front of you if you care to open your eyes!!!
What does it matter if they are young??? ....they are not btw and if they are then why did Southgate pick them all!!!
If you cannot accept that the England squad is proper decent then there is something wrong with you and your knowledge of football.
Yes there may be better teams, not far better, but we are a match for any of them, sadly Southgate is the 'weak link' and if you cannot see or accept that then sobeit.
We were playing Scotland ffs, not a top Euro side!!! |
Who would you have as manager instead of Southgate? | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 10:32 - Jun 20 with 1335 views | derbyhoop |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 09:19 - Jun 19 by gazza1 |
I agree Derby......how wrong to play two holding and leave Grealish out of the starting 11 against possibly the worst team in the tournament!!!
Get it right and we could do even better. |
I won't jump on the Grealish bandwagon. Too often he does the things that look good, rather than affecting the game. Calls for Sanchez, Bellingham or Saka equally valid.
I thought both FBs, brought in to provide an attacking threat, were anonymous. |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 11:02 - Jun 20 with 1305 views | PhilmyRs |
Reminds me a bit of France 98. Replace Michael Owen for Grealish and the Ince/Batty shield that Hoddle loved so much seems similar to the Rice/Phillips situation. In the end Hoddle tweaked it and brought Beckham into the midfield in place of Batty and Owen got the nod up top - the result being Colombia and up until the red card against Argentina, we played some of our best football of the tournament.
I’m not as angry as some but just think a bit more quality on the ball in the middle of the park and someone like Grealish that can travel with purpose with the ball at their feet would add so much to the team. You don’t want to die wondering, we can be a bit bolder and exciting in our play and team selection. That said, the Greece example is an interesting one but I just don’t think it suits us to play that way, not least because of the demands of our fans [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 11:03]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 11:12 - Jun 20 with 1282 views | traininvain |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 10:27 - Jun 20 by daveB |
If Englandf finish 2nd they play the winners of the French group in the quarter finals so no point trying to avoid them. Last world cup was different as finishing 2nd was a much easier route to the final due to Argentina and Spain struggling. This tournament any route you take to the final is tough.
Would personally think playing one of these top nations at home is our best chance of beating them so we should try and win the group and play ourselves into some form |
I hadn’t realised that about facing the winner of the group of death in the quarters. In that case we’re probably better off winning on Tuesday and building momentum plus home advantage in the round of 16.
Makes you realise that the Euros is such a tough competition. No easy games. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 12:41 - Jun 20 with 1184 views | Walnut |
Bear in mind, unlike in Russia where our group was last to complete and we "knew" our route, this time we finish before the others in our path so there's not much we can pre determine and play for. France MIGHT not top the group and perhaps Spain too.
Best we can do is win Tuesday and make sure our R16 game is at Wembley | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 13:25 - Jun 20 with 1140 views | gazza1 |
Seriously, absolute twaddle......these footballers are generally the top players - these players go out to win every match, coming 2nd or 3rd doesn't enter their brain boxes, nor does it with the Managers and Coaches. | | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 13:25 - Jun 20 by gazza1 |
Seriously, absolute twaddle......these footballers are generally the top players - these players go out to win every match, coming 2nd or 3rd doesn't enter their brain boxes, nor does it with the Managers and Coaches. |
Except in 2018 when Southgate ‘rested’ several first team players in England’s final group game vs Belgium. As we all know, England lost and consequently had a much softer run to the semis. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 13:29]
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Who would you have as manager instead of Southgate? |
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Who would you have as manager instead of Southgate? |
There are far too many and there are many as well.....what has Southgate actually achieved???
In saying that, because I have full confidence in the squad that can match any of the other teams, I think if Southgate picks the right team and a good attacking system then we can go very well in this competition.
Play the same players & system that limits our attacking options then we may get through to the next round. (taking off Harry Kane & replacing him with Rashford - like for like!!! We needed to change our style of play ffs) | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 13:59 - Jun 20 with 1058 views | wood_hoop |
Its slightly surprising how little the honour of wearing an England shirt seems to mean to some, this bollox about how the display was not important but getting just a point was fine and tactically the most important thing.
Good managers can bring out the best of players in pressure situations, dosn't mean you will always win but at least put on a display that is worthy of wearing your nations shirt.
The Scots more than did that, celebrating a 0-0 draw like they had been crowned champions. the English players and manager did not any way show they are worthy of representing our nation.in such an inept way.
No doubt their will be some who disagree, but I am hoping that will change drastically in any forthcoming games, win lose or draw. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:01 - Jun 20 with 1054 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 13:36 - Jun 20 by gazza1 |
There are far too many and there are many as well.....what has Southgate actually achieved???
In saying that, because I have full confidence in the squad that can match any of the other teams, I think if Southgate picks the right team and a good attacking system then we can go very well in this competition.
Play the same players & system that limits our attacking options then we may get through to the next round. (taking off Harry Kane & replacing him with Rashford - like for like!!! We needed to change our style of play ffs) |
‘What has Southgate actually achieved?’
- First semi in 22 years
- First WC Semi in 27 years
- Promotion of Youth WC and Euro Winners into England set up.
- First opening win in Euros EVER
- 100% automatic qualification record
- 2nd best win record of any post war England manager (62%) [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:38]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:01 - Jun 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
‘What has Southgate actually achieved?’
- First semi in 22 years
- First WC Semi in 27 years
- Promotion of Youth WC and Euro Winners into England set up.
- First opening win in Euros EVER
- 100% automatic qualification record
- 2nd best win record of any post war England manager (62%) [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:38]
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Wow Baz.....your expectations!!!! Is that the achievements!!!
I wont bother to pick the pieces out of those achievements because they are not really achievements!!!!.....just a bit of info basically.
I tellya......I was down the boozer last night talking to 6 or 8 blokes proper footballing type people, Chelsea supporters, Spurs, Bees, Millwall, Man City, R's fans the lot, of all ages, old like me, 50 year olds, 30, 20's the lot.......you know what the same conclusion from all of them - SOUTHGATE is the issue. Yet here there are blokes like you and lots of others think he is doing well - signing his praises (First opening win in Euros EVER - an achievement) !!! Unbelieveable. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:21]
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Dare I say it..MW could be a perfect choice as national team manager. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:32 - Jun 20 with 979 views | rsonist |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:20 - Jun 20 by gazza1 |
Wow Baz.....your expectations!!!! Is that the achievements!!!
I wont bother to pick the pieces out of those achievements because they are not really achievements!!!!.....just a bit of info basically.
I tellya......I was down the boozer last night talking to 6 or 8 blokes proper footballing type people, Chelsea supporters, Spurs, Bees, Millwall, Man City, R's fans the lot, of all ages, old like me, 50 year olds, 30, 20's the lot.......you know what the same conclusion from all of them - SOUTHGATE is the issue. Yet here there are blokes like you and lots of others think he is doing well - signing his praises (First opening win in Euros EVER - an achievement) !!! Unbelieveable. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:21]
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You won’t bother picking the pieces out of those achievements because you can’t pick the pieces out of a record breaking 62% win rate. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:37]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:34 - Jun 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
You won’t bother picking the pieces out of those achievements because you can’t pick the pieces out of a record breaking 62% win rate. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:37]
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Getting bitter and twisted now Bazzer......says it all mate. | | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:35 - Jun 20 by gazza1 |
Getting bitter and twisted now Bazzer......says it all mate. |
Still no answers? | | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:29 - Jun 20 by BazzeR |
Dare I say it..MW could be a perfect choice as national team manager. |
Well, he is doing an excellent job at the R's. | | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:32 - Jun 20 by rsonist |
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Other than the Jack Grealish graph and possibly Raheem Sterling all I see is mainly sideways passing?
Is there anything else I’m missing. | | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:20 - Jun 20 by gazza1 |
Wow Baz.....your expectations!!!! Is that the achievements!!!
I wont bother to pick the pieces out of those achievements because they are not really achievements!!!!.....just a bit of info basically.
I tellya......I was down the boozer last night talking to 6 or 8 blokes proper footballing type people, Chelsea supporters, Spurs, Bees, Millwall, Man City, R's fans the lot, of all ages, old like me, 50 year olds, 30, 20's the lot.......you know what the same conclusion from all of them - SOUTHGATE is the issue. Yet here there are blokes like you and lots of others think he is doing well - signing his praises (First opening win in Euros EVER - an achievement) !!! Unbelieveable. [Post edited 20 Jun 2021 14:21]
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Down the pub, everyone mouthing off, no real listening to alternative points of view, all convinced of their own opinions.
He's the professional but he must be shite and all you lot must be right! | | | |
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