| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M 02:12 - Jun 18 with 26091 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Never done one before.
Heart says 3-0 and head says ‘yeah probably’.
England win, everyone shrugs their shoulders
Scotland win (or draw), and we’ll never hear the end of it.
Scotland nothing to lose. [Post edited 22 Jun 2021 11:30]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:21 - Jun 19 with 1696 views | gazza1 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 09:54 - Jun 19 by TW_R |
I think it’s the other way round. Your expectations are far too high. This is the youngest squad England have ever had in any tournament. James, Foden, Grealish, Phillips, Shaw, Rice, Mings, Mount - most of them barely make double figures in caps. If you believe you can just pull an inexperienced squad together and stroll through a tournament like this you’re deluded. There are far better teams than us. France, Belgium and Italy for starters. If we get to the semis we will have done well. If we win it, Southgate should be knighted. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 11:37]
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Another poster who makes excuses and has so low expectations and tries to say that I am deluded.....the data is in front of you if you care to open your eyes!!!
What does it matter if they are young??? ....they are not btw and if they are then why did Southgate pick them all!!!
If you cannot accept that the England squad is proper decent then there is something wrong with you and your knowledge of football.
Yes there may be better teams, not far better, but we are a match for any of them, sadly Southgate is the 'weak link' and if you cannot see or accept that then sobeit.
We were playing Scotland ffs, not a top Euro side!!! |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:26 - Jun 19 with 1679 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 09:30 - Jun 19 by CliveWilsonSaid |
I thought our MOM was probably Pickford which says a lot. We did create a few chances in the opening 20 mins and when they didn’t work out you just had the feeling it wasn’t going to be our night. After that there was no imagination at all and Scotland well deserved the draw at least. |
All the posters except you forgot about Pickford making that superb save against somebody I never heard of (O Donnell I think )and that was a huge save in the way the game went.
He was ripping his defenders too showing leadership so I have to swallow my pride and give him credit .
Jack Grealish should be starting from here on IMO |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:42 - Jun 19 with 1641 views | lightwaterhoop |
In a match as toxic as that one i would'nt blame any England player for being below par.In fact i thought they were OK ish.Im my opinion England were half playing for a draw. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:53 - Jun 19 with 1612 views | kensalriser |
Lol, France, who are a gazillion times better than England, losing to a mediocre Hungary side. Great goal though, to be fair. |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 15:03 - Jun 19 with 1587 views | Toast_R |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 13:54 - Jun 19 by ed_83 |
Think it’s important not to carried away after one underwhelming performance - a draw does us no real harm, Scotland played well and were extremely well-organised defensively, and I think Southgate’s got more than enough credit in the bank from the last three years for supporters to trust that he’ll address the things that aren’t working. Completely agree that talk of replacing him is ludicrous, not least because of the lack of alternatives.
That said, last night felt pretty worrying. Exactly the same stodgy, lethargic play we saw under Hodgson and Capello - a real lack of movement off the ball, attacking fluidity or creative ambition. A Spurs-supporting mate said England reminded him of just before Pochettino got sacked: talented players but a general sense of lethargy and going through the motions.
Something’s clearly not right with Kane, and aside from his goal Sterling has been underwhelming. Would rest both of them for the last group game, give others a chance to stake their claim. More fundamentally there needs to be a rethink of our attacking play - if we’re that flat and predictable against better teams in the knockout stages, we’ll get found out very quickly. Still hopeful we can turn it round, though. |
Agree with the Hodgson comparison. He went into Euro 2016 not knowing his best team or formation and was making it up as he went along. Worryingly it appears Southgate is down the same rabbit hole. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 15:15 - Jun 19 with 1556 views | Ranger_Things |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 14:53 - Jun 19 by kensalriser |
Lol, France, who are a gazillion times better than England, losing to a mediocre Hungary side. Great goal though, to be fair. |
Southgate's fault no doubt. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 15:27 - Jun 19 with 1531 views | Toast_R |
Eish, the Hungarian defender just done a Keogh special | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 15:58 - Jun 19 with 1479 views | traininvain |
Puts the England result into context. No easy games at major international tournaments. Every team will have ups and downs. It’s all about how they respond. |  | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:20 - Jun 19 with 1433 views | kensalriser |
Not surprised France didn't win that, Southgate's undroppable favourites didn't show up at all. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:33 - Jun 19 with 1398 views | gazza1 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 15:58 - Jun 19 by traininvain |
Puts the England result into context. No easy games at major international tournaments. Every team will have ups and downs. It’s all about how they respond. |
It isn't just about the result, its about how the Team played. Apparently, France should have had 4 goals. We were nowhere near that in two matches that we played. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:43 - Jun 19 with 1372 views | traininvain |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:33 - Jun 19 by gazza1 |
It isn't just about the result, its about how the Team played. Apparently, France should have had 4 goals. We were nowhere near that in two matches that we played. |
Well for starters England simply aren’t as good as the world champions, France. We have some good young players coming through but I think most rational people would agree that France have a far better squad.
Anyway that’s not really relevant to my point. Every team will have a blip in this tournament whether it’s a draw, loss or a poor performance. We’ll learn a lot more about England on Tuesday in terms of how they respond to what is essentially a minor setback. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 16:44]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:47 - Jun 19 with 1364 views | gazza1 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:43 - Jun 19 by traininvain |
Well for starters England simply aren’t as good as the world champions, France. We have some good young players coming through but I think most rational people would agree that France have a far better squad.
Anyway that’s not really relevant to my point. Every team will have a blip in this tournament whether it’s a draw, loss or a poor performance. We’ll learn a lot more about England on Tuesday in terms of how they respond to what is essentially a minor setback. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 16:44]
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Nope don't agree that they have a far better squad........they may have the edge but nothing more.
IMHO, we have had two blips in two matches against very average teams indeed.....Southgate gets it right on Tuesday and we win comfortably.
I haven't listened to the studio pundits because I have watched the matches in the pub but I would recon that the pundits are asking a lot of questions relating to Southgate - I stand to be corrected by someone who has watched the aftermath!! [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 16:50]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:52 - Jun 19 with 1346 views | gazza1 |
Thankyou CA!!....they are good alright. The players play in the best league worldwide and many are winners.
You cant always win a match but you can perform well.....we havent. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 16:54]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:01 - Jun 19 with 1325 views | ManinBlack |
From what I have seen from comments by Neville, Sounness, Ian Wright etc that our players were the problem for a lethargic performance and Southgate should not be using two holding midfielders at home to Scotland. Wright described England as embarrassing in the way they played and seemed perplexed Foden went off presumably because he thought Sterling should be hooked.
In respect of France they are creating more chances than us but in reality they have only scored one as well. The winner against Germany being an own goal of course. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:30 - Jun 19 with 1269 views | denhamhoop2 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:33 - Jun 19 by gazza1 |
It isn't just about the result, its about how the Team played. Apparently, France should have had 4 goals. We were nowhere near that in two matches that we played. |
In terms of Brentford Justice League Scotland would be pretty near the top of the Euros in G numbers in real life they have 0 goals and 1 point thought England were very poor in terms of moving the ball quickly very few one or two touch play. Still 4 points and 2 clean sheets if Pickford doesn't let a goal in all tournament England cannot lose(Well other than penalty shoot outs) | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:34 - Jun 19 with 1253 views | TGRRRSSS |
I think Southgate is more conservative than sometimes people have made out - credit of course for 2018 but that was 3 years ago.
However last night was tricky, rained for 2 days, the Scots basically sat back in banks of four, I actually felt England did very well against Croatia especially given the heat, I also felt yesterday England probably feel, get to 4 points and they will go through, lots of plaudits for the JOcks.
Lets see what happens on Tuesday for them against Croatia, if they lose this result will be little more than a glorious failure.
Personally I feel England lacking a dead ball specialist - their corners for the most part were poor, also some bad luck with Stones and Foden both coming close, but overall a lack of chances created, but as I say Scotland do have to be credited with the way they sat back and defended. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 17:52]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:51 - Jun 19 with 1216 views | ManinBlack |
Maybe I am being unfair on the Scots but if they lose to Croatia the fans won't care as not losing to England is all that matters so the tournament will have been a success. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:53 - Jun 19 with 1207 views | Rangersw12 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:51 - Jun 19 by ManinBlack |
Maybe I am being unfair on the Scots but if they lose to Croatia the fans won't care as not losing to England is all that matters so the tournament will have been a success. |
They have a pretty sad existence if that's the case! | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:54 - Jun 19 with 1196 views | paulparker |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:34 - Jun 19 by TGRRRSSS |
I think Southgate is more conservative than sometimes people have made out - credit of course for 2018 but that was 3 years ago.
However last night was tricky, rained for 2 days, the Scots basically sat back in banks of four, I actually felt England did very well against Croatia especially given the heat, I also felt yesterday England probably feel, get to 4 points and they will go through, lots of plaudits for the JOcks.
Lets see what happens on Tuesday for them against Croatia, if they lose this result will be little more than a glorious failure.
Personally I feel England lacking a dead ball specialist - their corners for the most part were poor, also some bad luck with Stones and Foden both coming close, but overall a lack of chances created, but as I say Scotland do have to be credited with the way they sat back and defended. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 17:52]
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It’s to hot , it’s to cold, it’s raining , it’s dry
It’s never a problem for other teams , Germany are taking the game to Portugal in 30 degree heat if this was England we would be playing constant back passes
We have some of the best attacking talent ever in our squad for the first time in a long time and we have played crap , not just the two Euro games but the warm up games as well |  |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 18:07 - Jun 19 with 1169 views | ManinBlack |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 17:53 - Jun 19 by Rangersw12 |
They have a pretty sad existence if that's the case! |
Maybe they are realists. They know they can't win the tournament so not losing to England at Wembley is the big thing. The way the players and fans in attendance and in the streets celebrated the draw you would think they had qualified for the next round. Remember when England won the World Cup and Scotland went to Wembley in 67 and won and Scots proclaimed themselves world champions. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 18:11 - Jun 19 with 1149 views | TGRRRSSS |
ON the Subs thing isn't it 3 Subs and 2 more in extra time, so only in the knockouts after the 90 mins? | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 18:18 - Jun 19 with 1134 views | BazzeR |
5 subs allowed during 90mins
1 extra sub allowed if teams play extra time during knockout stages [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 18:19]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 22:53 - Jun 19 with 940 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
England performed like a team who were happy with a 0-0. Qualification the only thing that mattered. In which case drawing general conclusions about how good England are, or aren't, and how good individual players are is probably a fool's errand. The FIFA rankings and results over the last couple of years are a better guide. Obviously.
I didn't enjoy it. Football should be an entertainment. But I wouldn't criticise the forward players in particular for what we saw. Foden's boyish enthusiasm seemed to be the only thing threatening Scotland at all after the initial flourish. The rest of the team were just wasting 90 minutes. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 22:55]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 23:00 - Jun 19 with 1710 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
We looked like Greece 2004. Just saying. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 23:10 - Jun 19 with 1652 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Scotland ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ³ó £ó ´ó ¿ M on 16:43 - Jun 19 by traininvain |
Well for starters England simply aren’t as good as the world champions, France. We have some good young players coming through but I think most rational people would agree that France have a far better squad.
Anyway that’s not really relevant to my point. Every team will have a blip in this tournament whether it’s a draw, loss or a poor performance. We’ll learn a lot more about England on Tuesday in terms of how they respond to what is essentially a minor setback. [Post edited 19 Jun 2021 16:44]
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We won’t learn anything about England on Tuesday as it’s essentially a meaningless game as both sides are already through to the next round. We’ll learn more about them when they play their first knockout match against a top side. Unless Southgate gets his team selection and tactics right they will lose. |  | | |
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