| Pathetic! 17:00 - Apr 23 with 13146 views | connell10 |
A must win game and we muster one shot on goal!! So meek. We went out with a whimper, that's totally unacceptable to me , sorry . |  |
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| Pathetic! on 17:02 - Apr 24 with 3205 views | PinnerPaul |
| Pathetic! on 16:43 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
It's the scale of the drop off for me that's alarming. We haven't lost a bit of form and been pipped to sixth by a hard chase, we've completely collapsed, and even with Sheff Utd and Boro leaving the door open we go to Stoke and play like that.
It's all over the park and in loads of different little details. How, for instance, do we get to January as the best team in the league for goals conceded from set pieces (four in the first 30-odd games, two of which were penalties) and then in the final 20-odd games we're the worst - conceding slop like that yesterday. |
Alarming - tick - unfathomable - tick and its the 2nd part that worries us most I guess, because we have no idea if this will carry over to next season.
Given the traditional personnel change, new manager or not, I don't think its a given that the poor form will carry over so I'm still a stick man, but it's more Pritt Stick than Superglue! |  | | |
| Pathetic! on 10:28 - Apr 25 with 2945 views | toboboly |
| Pathetic! on 16:43 - Apr 24 by Northernr |
It's the scale of the drop off for me that's alarming. We haven't lost a bit of form and been pipped to sixth by a hard chase, we've completely collapsed, and even with Sheff Utd and Boro leaving the door open we go to Stoke and play like that.
It's all over the park and in loads of different little details. How, for instance, do we get to January as the best team in the league for goals conceded from set pieces (four in the first 30-odd games, two of which were penalties) and then in the final 20-odd games we're the worst - conceding slop like that yesterday. |
Something happened in the January transfer window/post AFCON to skew the team. Dunno what it was but it wasn't something the players were able to get over. |  |
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| Pathetic! on 21:50 - Apr 25 with 2772 views | wombat |
| Pathetic! on 10:28 - Apr 25 by toboboly |
Something happened in the January transfer window/post AFCON to skew the team. Dunno what it was but it wasn't something the players were able to get over. |
IF they make a change when would warburtons contract run out ? Is it end of June as the players contracts do or would it be after the last game of the season is played? It’s a very short close season and if they decide to change managers surely they would do it asap and not wait for the contract to run out to save some cash , plus who ever comes in as one hell of a rebuilding job on his hand esp in the back four/five |  |
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| Pathetic! on 22:06 - Apr 25 with 2736 views | ManinBlack |
We saw tonight how out of form Blackburn in a must win game won 4-1 at Preston who had nothing to play for in contrast to how we fared at Stoke in a must win game.
It seems to me that when Warburton declared we had to win all five games to end the season that when we drew the first of those at Huddersfield the players thought it was over. The shambles at Stoke was a display of a team who had given up the ghost.
I am fairly confident Sheffield will be added to the list of clubs taking 6 points off us this season. |  | | |
| Pathetic! on 23:29 - Apr 25 with 2636 views | Myke |
| Pathetic! on 22:06 - Apr 25 by ManinBlack |
We saw tonight how out of form Blackburn in a must win game won 4-1 at Preston who had nothing to play for in contrast to how we fared at Stoke in a must win game.
It seems to me that when Warburton declared we had to win all five games to end the season that when we drew the first of those at Huddersfield the players thought it was over. The shambles at Stoke was a display of a team who had given up the ghost.
I am fairly confident Sheffield will be added to the list of clubs taking 6 points off us this season. |
I have a theory that following our 4-0 win versus Reading, the reality of being in with a shout of the play-offs hit and we froze and tumbled down the table. When we decided the play-offs were beyond our reach we improved and drew with Huddersfield and beat Derby. This revived play-off talk again, so the player's froze again versus Stoke. Now that the pressure is off again, we will probably beat SU. However, this will damage their promotion hopes more than improve ours, unfortunately | | | |
| Pathetic! on 07:23 - Apr 26 with 2483 views | Paddyhoops |
| Pathetic! on 11:52 - Apr 24 by ted_hendrix |
'quim' is a good word and seldom used, I'd like to hear and see It used more often. |
Quim is a very rude word especially in Ireland!! | | | |
| Pathetic! on 07:27 - Apr 26 with 2480 views | slmrstid |
| Pathetic! on 23:29 - Apr 25 by Myke |
I have a theory that following our 4-0 win versus Reading, the reality of being in with a shout of the play-offs hit and we froze and tumbled down the table. When we decided the play-offs were beyond our reach we improved and drew with Huddersfield and beat Derby. This revived play-off talk again, so the player's froze again versus Stoke. Now that the pressure is off again, we will probably beat SU. However, this will damage their promotion hopes more than improve ours, unfortunately |
So we're nailed on to win 6-0 and revitalise our play-off hopes ahead of a last day freeze at Swansea you mean?  |  | | |
| Pathetic! on 10:01 - Apr 26 with 2347 views | LythamR |
| Pathetic! on 07:23 - Apr 26 by Paddyhoops |
Quim is a very rude word especially in Ireland!! |
Back in the 70's Quims often quivered at least as described in print! |  | | |
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| Pathetic! on 10:11 - Apr 26 with 2326 views | essextaxiboy |
| Pathetic! on 10:28 - Apr 25 by toboboly |
Something happened in the January transfer window/post AFCON to skew the team. Dunno what it was but it wasn't something the players were able to get over. |
This has to be true , the form just went off like a switch . Could be anything but it would be nice if the Journos who profess to be in the know and speak to insiders could let the fans who pay and travel have some answers . Injuries of course but that not all of it . |  | | |
| Pathetic! on 10:27 - Apr 26 with 2296 views | daveB |
It's similar to the collapse Blackburn had last season from playoffs to 15th in about 3 months.
So many factors imo from injuries to loss of form to mental block when we got close to 2nd and some mistakes by the manager. Also a lot of close wins from the previous 12 months suddenly switched to close defeats. I think we'd probably all feel a lot better if the answer was more obvious to all of us and you could just say well it's all his fault.
Over the whole season i don't think we've played well enough to justify a playoff finish, top half is about right for how we have played imo.
It's been good though to have a season in the top half rather than bottom for the first time in years |  | | |
| Pathetic! on 15:30 - Apr 26 with 2070 views | Myke |
| Pathetic! on 10:28 - Apr 25 by toboboly |
Something happened in the January transfer window/post AFCON to skew the team. Dunno what it was but it wasn't something the players were able to get over. |
I blame Hendrick(s) for all of it. | | | |
| Pathetic! on 15:35 - Apr 26 with 2065 views | Northernr |
| Pathetic! on 15:30 - Apr 26 by Myke |
I blame Hendrick(s) for all of it. |
Thaaaat's more like it  |  | | |
| Pathetic! on 18:42 - Apr 26 with 1901 views | JamesB1979 |
Given sheet number of games this poor run is over it’s pretty difficult to explain. But what’s more concerning to me is that Warbs I) took a long time to admit there was an issue and II) he seems pretty clueless about what to do about it. I don’t feel that we’ve changed our style that much. Bit of change to formation and personnel but it seemed like it was more of the same or mostly more of the same with a bit of a tweak. | | | |
| Pathetic! on 19:58 - Apr 26 with 1804 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Pathetic! on 18:42 - Apr 26 by JamesB1979 |
Given sheet number of games this poor run is over it’s pretty difficult to explain. But what’s more concerning to me is that Warbs I) took a long time to admit there was an issue and II) he seems pretty clueless about what to do about it. I don’t feel that we’ve changed our style that much. Bit of change to formation and personnel but it seemed like it was more of the same or mostly more of the same with a bit of a tweak. |
Warburton, the weirdly over-rated Eustace, and one or two of the players (Austin cab for one, an effin' stretcher for Stefan) have been found out, or at least found wanting. I can't remember losing respect for a management team and squad so quick in 45 years of following QPR. Watching our balloon deflate has been more deoxygenating than a wander on the moon.
Does anyone - anyone - at QPR, players or staff, have the honesty to hold their hands up and say we we've been largely gutless, clueless and witless for most of the year, and we understand if you feel ashamed of us? They're not good enough, they lack mental strength, and they don't want it, and the coaching team aren't part of the solution, they're part of the problem.
For my part, I've lost belief we've even got the nucleus of a good team that is fit, can compete, and has bottle and pride, looking to next season. I would keep, if we can get tht much right, Seny, Willock, Chair, Dunne and Uncle (for a season) and that's probably it. The rest I would offer terms and/or try to sell. The financial losses can be paid for out of the bonuses of whoever recommended them and sanctioned the transfers on a sliding scale, and they can compensate the fans by slashing ticket prices as a symbolic gesture, rather than crassly charging us to honour one of our best players by sticking the letters of his name to a stand. Though I'm sure Lee Hoos will make sure he comes up smelling of roses regardless.
It's not only about money, it's about dignity, rather than rewarding failure and defending the indefensible. [Post edited 26 Apr 2022 20:02]
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| Pathetic! on 20:18 - Apr 26 with 1785 views | Sonofpugwash |
Actually,got fed up with being a Poundland Barcelona,style over substance. |  |
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| Pathetic! on 21:39 - Apr 26 with 1668 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Pathetic! on 19:58 - Apr 26 by stainrods_elbow |
Warburton, the weirdly over-rated Eustace, and one or two of the players (Austin cab for one, an effin' stretcher for Stefan) have been found out, or at least found wanting. I can't remember losing respect for a management team and squad so quick in 45 years of following QPR. Watching our balloon deflate has been more deoxygenating than a wander on the moon.
Does anyone - anyone - at QPR, players or staff, have the honesty to hold their hands up and say we we've been largely gutless, clueless and witless for most of the year, and we understand if you feel ashamed of us? They're not good enough, they lack mental strength, and they don't want it, and the coaching team aren't part of the solution, they're part of the problem.
For my part, I've lost belief we've even got the nucleus of a good team that is fit, can compete, and has bottle and pride, looking to next season. I would keep, if we can get tht much right, Seny, Willock, Chair, Dunne and Uncle (for a season) and that's probably it. The rest I would offer terms and/or try to sell. The financial losses can be paid for out of the bonuses of whoever recommended them and sanctioned the transfers on a sliding scale, and they can compensate the fans by slashing ticket prices as a symbolic gesture, rather than crassly charging us to honour one of our best players by sticking the letters of his name to a stand. Though I'm sure Lee Hoos will make sure he comes up smelling of roses regardless.
It's not only about money, it's about dignity, rather than rewarding failure and defending the indefensible. [Post edited 26 Apr 2022 20:02]
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You're absolutely right; there is a culture of failure at the club, and until we break that, we're going nowhere. Clive used to put in his previews how we were virtually certain for the play-offs unless we had relegation form.  The club just seems to be drifting aimlessly with no one's hand on the tiller. Oh for a Jim Gregory with some drive. | | | |
| Pathetic! on 21:56 - Apr 26 with 1647 views | daveB |
| Pathetic! on 19:58 - Apr 26 by stainrods_elbow |
Warburton, the weirdly over-rated Eustace, and one or two of the players (Austin cab for one, an effin' stretcher for Stefan) have been found out, or at least found wanting. I can't remember losing respect for a management team and squad so quick in 45 years of following QPR. Watching our balloon deflate has been more deoxygenating than a wander on the moon.
Does anyone - anyone - at QPR, players or staff, have the honesty to hold their hands up and say we we've been largely gutless, clueless and witless for most of the year, and we understand if you feel ashamed of us? They're not good enough, they lack mental strength, and they don't want it, and the coaching team aren't part of the solution, they're part of the problem.
For my part, I've lost belief we've even got the nucleus of a good team that is fit, can compete, and has bottle and pride, looking to next season. I would keep, if we can get tht much right, Seny, Willock, Chair, Dunne and Uncle (for a season) and that's probably it. The rest I would offer terms and/or try to sell. The financial losses can be paid for out of the bonuses of whoever recommended them and sanctioned the transfers on a sliding scale, and they can compensate the fans by slashing ticket prices as a symbolic gesture, rather than crassly charging us to honour one of our best players by sticking the letters of his name to a stand. Though I'm sure Lee Hoos will make sure he comes up smelling of roses regardless.
It's not only about money, it's about dignity, rather than rewarding failure and defending the indefensible. [Post edited 26 Apr 2022 20:02]
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I think it's ridiculous to say they don't want it, I'm not sure where you are getting that from.
We've still got a decent squad and it's now obvious where we need to strengthen if it wasn't before, I don't think it's time to rip it up and start again. Whoever the manager is next season has a decent squad to start with | | | |
| Pathetic! on 22:11 - Apr 26 with 1601 views | Match82 |
| Pathetic! on 21:39 - Apr 26 by Wegerles_Stairs |
You're absolutely right; there is a culture of failure at the club, and until we break that, we're going nowhere. Clive used to put in his previews how we were virtually certain for the play-offs unless we had relegation form. The club just seems to be drifting aimlessly with no one's hand on the tiller. Oh for a Jim Gregory with some drive. |
Drifting aimlessly towards systematically reducing the wage bill and making us a more sustainable club? Drifting aimlessly towards a policy of bringing through youth players at a greater pace than the last 30 years?
We can and should be critical of the performances of the last month or two and demand better despite the challenges. But "drifting aimlessly" is a strange claim, this is the closest that QPR have had to having and executing a long term plan for decades.
We've had a couple of rough months, that's all. I'd keep Warburton because he's shown he can turn this round before, although I understand how some can be fed up. But more than anything, I look at clubs like Bury and I'm glad that we are not (any longer) on that path |  | | |
| Pathetic! on 22:47 - Apr 26 with 1529 views | ManinBlack |
I imagine the drifting aimlessly is based on years of finishing 16th and seeing local rivals all going up to the Premier league.
As good as we were for two thirds of the season it looks likely we could finish lower than last season, supposedly a gauge to base an improvement on. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that even Blackpool finish above us who were never in the promotion picture.
I can't speak for others but if we finish below Coventry, Luton, Millwall, West Brom, Blackpool for example then I will be thoroughly disillusioned seeing that we were third such a short time ago.
Sure it is not the end of the world if we finish in mid table mediocrity as the guy on Quest said, as we have seen how Huddersfield just stayed up last season and will contest the play offs this. With so many lower budget teams challenging this season, maybe had we shelled out a bit more in January and gambled it could have been different. The danger is that we may be forced to sell our better players in the summer. I am not confident that who we bring in will be as good. | | | |
| Pathetic! on 22:52 - Apr 26 with 1504 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Pathetic! on 21:56 - Apr 26 by daveB |
I think it's ridiculous to say they don't want it, I'm not sure where you are getting that from.
We've still got a decent squad and it's now obvious where we need to strengthen if it wasn't before, I don't think it's time to rip it up and start again. Whoever the manager is next season has a decent squad to start with |
Did you watch that game at Stoke? That's a team busting a gut to get promoted, is it? Get to a f*cking optician! | |
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| Pathetic! on 23:11 - Apr 26 with 1481 views | daveB |
| Pathetic! on 22:52 - Apr 26 by stainrods_elbow |
Did you watch that game at Stoke? That's a team busting a gut to get promoted, is it? Get to a f*cking optician! |
I didn't see the game no and wouldn't suggest we played well on the day, sounds like we were crap. I'm not sure that was due to not wanting it, was more that the 11 who started the game were not very good | | | |
| Pathetic! on 08:52 - Apr 27 with 1282 views | R_from_afar |
| Pathetic! on 22:52 - Apr 26 by stainrods_elbow |
Did you watch that game at Stoke? That's a team busting a gut to get promoted, is it? Get to a f*cking optician! |
I didn't go to the game but feel for, and enormously respect, those who did.
As has been stated previously, we were without our best outfield player and in terrible form, and form affects confidence. The lack of strength in depth also hampered us.
I'm not sure how a regime which has got us promoted before can be described as a culture of failure, not that I am at all happy with the way our season has tailed off alarmingly.
We've tried many different managers, players and approaches. I don't see how all that change can be called tolerating failure.
Still, put your plan for guaranteed success in my in-tray by five o'clock and I promise to read it tonight while I'm watching Dani Parejo try to keep the Scousers at bay.
PS: Don't forget that it needs to be fully costed and comply with FFP. Those details go in the "Turning base metal into gold" section. |  |
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| Pathetic! on 09:06 - Apr 27 with 1268 views | Northernr |
| Pathetic! on 21:39 - Apr 26 by Wegerles_Stairs |
You're absolutely right; there is a culture of failure at the club, and until we break that, we're going nowhere. Clive used to put in his previews how we were virtually certain for the play-offs unless we had relegation form. The club just seems to be drifting aimlessly with no one's hand on the tiller. Oh for a Jim Gregory with some drive. |
That maths is going to end up being spot on. I said we needed seven wins from the last 18/19 games, similar form to the 19th team (Hull at that point). In the end we've won three, and were pretty lucky to win those. Even two more, Cardiff and Peterborough at home, and we'd be just about there with a win Friday.
It's the scale of the drop off that's the most puzzling thing about all this. If we'd slipped a bit then fair enough, but we've completely collapsed. | | | |
| Pathetic! on 09:10 - Apr 27 with 1243 views | Northernr |
| Pathetic! on 19:58 - Apr 26 by stainrods_elbow |
Warburton, the weirdly over-rated Eustace, and one or two of the players (Austin cab for one, an effin' stretcher for Stefan) have been found out, or at least found wanting. I can't remember losing respect for a management team and squad so quick in 45 years of following QPR. Watching our balloon deflate has been more deoxygenating than a wander on the moon.
Does anyone - anyone - at QPR, players or staff, have the honesty to hold their hands up and say we we've been largely gutless, clueless and witless for most of the year, and we understand if you feel ashamed of us? They're not good enough, they lack mental strength, and they don't want it, and the coaching team aren't part of the solution, they're part of the problem.
For my part, I've lost belief we've even got the nucleus of a good team that is fit, can compete, and has bottle and pride, looking to next season. I would keep, if we can get tht much right, Seny, Willock, Chair, Dunne and Uncle (for a season) and that's probably it. The rest I would offer terms and/or try to sell. The financial losses can be paid for out of the bonuses of whoever recommended them and sanctioned the transfers on a sliding scale, and they can compensate the fans by slashing ticket prices as a symbolic gesture, rather than crassly charging us to honour one of our best players by sticking the letters of his name to a stand. Though I'm sure Lee Hoos will make sure he comes up smelling of roses regardless.
It's not only about money, it's about dignity, rather than rewarding failure and defending the indefensible. [Post edited 26 Apr 2022 20:02]
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It is about money when the league you're playing in has a rule that says if you lose more than £x then you're under a transfer embargo (no replacements for all these players you want rid of), you're getting points off (even lower down the table) and these will both be the case until you sell enough players to comply with a business plan we'll set out for you (so the players you do want to keep would all have to be dumped at whatever below market rate we could get for them).
You're not going to be able to pay multiple professional footballers up with the bonus from three people - head of recruitment, the director of football and the manager. | | | |
| Pathetic! on 09:32 - Apr 27 with 1175 views | CamberleyR |
| Pathetic! on 19:58 - Apr 26 by stainrods_elbow |
Warburton, the weirdly over-rated Eustace, and one or two of the players (Austin cab for one, an effin' stretcher for Stefan) have been found out, or at least found wanting. I can't remember losing respect for a management team and squad so quick in 45 years of following QPR. Watching our balloon deflate has been more deoxygenating than a wander on the moon.
Does anyone - anyone - at QPR, players or staff, have the honesty to hold their hands up and say we we've been largely gutless, clueless and witless for most of the year, and we understand if you feel ashamed of us? They're not good enough, they lack mental strength, and they don't want it, and the coaching team aren't part of the solution, they're part of the problem.
For my part, I've lost belief we've even got the nucleus of a good team that is fit, can compete, and has bottle and pride, looking to next season. I would keep, if we can get tht much right, Seny, Willock, Chair, Dunne and Uncle (for a season) and that's probably it. The rest I would offer terms and/or try to sell. The financial losses can be paid for out of the bonuses of whoever recommended them and sanctioned the transfers on a sliding scale, and they can compensate the fans by slashing ticket prices as a symbolic gesture, rather than crassly charging us to honour one of our best players by sticking the letters of his name to a stand. Though I'm sure Lee Hoos will make sure he comes up smelling of roses regardless.
It's not only about money, it's about dignity, rather than rewarding failure and defending the indefensible. [Post edited 26 Apr 2022 20:02]
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