| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:32 - Aug 13 with 2251 views | DejR_vu |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:28 - Aug 13 by stevec |
They are in fact, the same person.
As mentioned, the other Tyler nowhere to be seen at Brum. |
Early days but Birmingham looking decent, btw.
The people at the club were much too clever to give the job to Eustace though. Genius. Again. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:40 - Aug 13 with 2198 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:26 - Aug 13 by DejR_vu |
Well, Smyth is no Akinfemwa, Cook is very good with his feet, and I’d take Field over Carlton Palmer |
You’ve made my point. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:46 - Aug 13 with 2175 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 09:54 - Aug 13 by 1JD |
It’s far from gossip if you listen to Ainsworth himself. Ainsworth said he had meetings with both individuals and units this week. He said he realised he was not giving them the best platform to succeed.
The players were clearly instrumental in leading the change in style, but GA deserves credit for taking it on board and implementing the feedback.
“I really did think ‘How do I get the best out of the players I have got rather than what has got me success (at Wycombe) in the past?’.
“I had to say to myself ‘This is new Gareth’ and I thought I was stifling what the boys are good at, so we changed things up.
“I’ve got to drop what I was believing in, and start going to this. Because I thought to myself, how do I get the best out of my players? You’re going to have to change Gareth, you’re going to have to come a certain way” |
Full credit to Gaz for conjuring a result yesterday.
But your highlighted bits there were the sections that set alarm bells ringing in my head. He’s a 50 yo coach, 10 years or more in that position. He inherited a mess, but had a full pre-season. It’s terrifying that it took last week’s hiding to show him the light - particularly given the oxford performance. I absolutely adore Gaz, but that to me was a very, very worrying interview with a man very unsure of what he’s doing. Absolutely applaud him for changing it up, but to me its very worrying that a coach this experienced appears to be winging it a bit. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:48 - Aug 13 with 2169 views | Blue_Castello |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 09:25 - Aug 13 by swisscottage |
Out of that team yesterday only three players can be argued to have been brought in to play "technical football." prior to Ainsworth.
Chair, Paal, Dozzell.
I'm not entirely sure how they form a powerful cabal capable of forcing a change on anyone.
It wasn't like we played technical passing football yesterday.. It was still predominantly an Ainsworth style.
Play with the ball in the opposition half, not ours
Press harry and chase.
Run your heart out.
The only difference really was the formation and moving away from man to man at Watford.
He has played three at the back at Wycombe.
Until yesterday he has not had enough fit centre backs to play three at the back.
Everyone is so desperate not to give him any credit they look for any possible other explanation other than he's not as dumb as all that. [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 9:35]
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Exactly this it has become tedious, statements like he's lost the dressing room I just don't believe but this Forum is all about opinions whether they are substantiated by fact or not, then I am told after ONE game his job was on the line, jeez I know we have been a basket case in all the years I have followed the club but I don't accept his job was on the line after 1 game.
Apparently there has been gossip from the changing room, where's that come from social media probably, if that's the case then quite possibly started by some of the nut jobs who inhabit that environment. Some of the posts here are trying to find as much way to undermine Ainsworth as possible, bit of the old conspiracy theory springs to mind.
So the system is changed and some people immediately want to credit Dobson, well that's a possibility but Ainsworth and Dobson are a team who work together and bounce ideas off each other, at least that's what you expect and would want to happen.
Some people don't like his interviews, I've not witnessed anything terrible he's trying to stay positive, that's a given when your a manager. Look I don't know if Ainsworth will be a success or not but give the man a break give him a few games with his own squad and give him some credit if he wins.....
Oh and the other thing people keep forgetting is what a sh*tty unbalanced squad Ainsworth inherited, it takes time, it's no excuse for the Watford capitulation but there were a lot of factors involved, it's history we've just recruited two Senior professionals who will make a significant difference.... [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 11:05]
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:49 - Aug 13 with 2165 views | daveB |
Overall i thought it was our best team performance since Cardiff at home last season. We defended well at Burnley but thought we had everything yesterday, real threat on the attack and solid at the back plus when we had the ball we used it well
The changes hurt us and I don't blame Ainsworth for that it just shows how weak the squad is but some real positive signs yesterday. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:49 - Aug 13 with 2162 views | DejR_vu |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:40 - Aug 13 by Ned_Kennedys |
You’ve made my point. |
Okay Ned, well that’s your interpretation. The facts show we were bummed 4-0 in 45 minutes against Watford, and won yesterday having changed things. Maybe it comes down to your/my interpretation of ‘technical’. I’m not talking Man City ‘technical’ but I don’t think trying to implement ‘what’s worked at Wycombe’, at this level, with these players (whether you consider them technical or not, I would suggest they’re better than Wycombe’s), is very bright. I think, almost, anyone with two eyes in their head would conclude that Chair is our best player. Chucking long balls over his head isn’t playing to his strengths. | |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:53 - Aug 13 with 2141 views | daveB |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:46 - Aug 13 by Antti_Heinola |
Full credit to Gaz for conjuring a result yesterday.
But your highlighted bits there were the sections that set alarm bells ringing in my head. He’s a 50 yo coach, 10 years or more in that position. He inherited a mess, but had a full pre-season. It’s terrifying that it took last week’s hiding to show him the light - particularly given the oxford performance. I absolutely adore Gaz, but that to me was a very, very worrying interview with a man very unsure of what he’s doing. Absolutely applaud him for changing it up, but to me its very worrying that a coach this experienced appears to be winging it a bit. |
The ideal model for this squad is Warburtons style of play with Ainsworths mentality and team spirit, if he can manage to merge the 2 together as he did yesterday I think we'll be fine and do better than any of us expect. Easier said than done though and like you I do worry about what he'll do the first time this new style doesn't work | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:57 - Aug 13 with 2119 views | francisbowles |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:29 - Aug 13 by dmm |
I don't think anyone is refusing to give Ainsworth credit. Some are simply pointing out there's more to yesterday's changes than the one man changing his mind about formation and tactics.
And I'm sure I did see more 'technical' football yesterday, albeit the stats weren't great - 35% possession, 323 passes with a 67% success rate. The football compared to Watford was better in pretty well all respects, not least in that we scored two goals and won the game. |
It's not just one man changing his mind though, it's a management team and imho tactics are mainly down to Dobbo. Gareth is the boss, leader and motivator of the whole team.
I never imagined Paul Smyth as a wing back, thought he was too small and light but he was ferocious and incisive. A great way to get him more involved in the play, than being marked out of the game by some ugly brute of a defender.
Last week, for me, was not all on Gareth. It was a combination of players performing poorly and an unbalanced defence and centre mid, with two left footed cbs and CMS, as well as any poor tactical planning.
What a difference bringing in Cook. Allowed us to better balance the side and get our quick players involved. | | | |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:59 - Aug 13 with 2117 views | DejR_vu |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:53 - Aug 13 by daveB |
The ideal model for this squad is Warburtons style of play with Ainsworths mentality and team spirit, if he can manage to merge the 2 together as he did yesterday I think we'll be fine and do better than any of us expect. Easier said than done though and like you I do worry about what he'll do the first time this new style doesn't work |
100% . You can’t just play that way, the players have to be coached that way as well. Training looks very different to two years ago when you see what’s being put out in those videos. | |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 11:12 - Aug 13 with 2063 views | dmm |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:57 - Aug 13 by francisbowles |
It's not just one man changing his mind though, it's a management team and imho tactics are mainly down to Dobbo. Gareth is the boss, leader and motivator of the whole team.
I never imagined Paul Smyth as a wing back, thought he was too small and light but he was ferocious and incisive. A great way to get him more involved in the play, than being marked out of the game by some ugly brute of a defender.
Last week, for me, was not all on Gareth. It was a combination of players performing poorly and an unbalanced defence and centre mid, with two left footed cbs and CMS, as well as any poor tactical planning.
What a difference bringing in Cook. Allowed us to better balance the side and get our quick players involved. |
That the changes were down to more people than Ainsworth is precisely what I was pointing out. And, as Ainsworth himself acknowledged, I would include the players in that too.
I do heartily agree with you re Smyth as a WB. A brilliant idea superbly applied.
However, I'd put the majority of the blame for last week, and the week before v Oxford, on Ainsworth and Dobson because both games would have been the outcome of 6 weeks of their preseason input. It is is still alarming just how wrong they got things. But they've proven they can put things right and I hope they will use yesterday as the platform on which to build the season. [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 11:13]
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 11:13 - Aug 13 with 2060 views | Blue_Castello |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:53 - Aug 13 by daveB |
The ideal model for this squad is Warburtons style of play with Ainsworths mentality and team spirit, if he can manage to merge the 2 together as he did yesterday I think we'll be fine and do better than any of us expect. Easier said than done though and like you I do worry about what he'll do the first time this new style doesn't work |
Agree with you Dave it's what I said in another post, if he can combine the two styles of play we will be onto a winner, it will take time.
We all remember Warburtons style and how it started so successfully because he had some very good players to work with, without going through all the three years, once he lost his better players he was really struggling, the ball was constantly passed sideways within our own half and there was no pace at all in the team.
We now have a combination of pace and skill, the two styles need to be integrated and we could actually have a team worth watching again and stop worrying about relegation, that's a step forward.... | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 11:13 - Aug 13 with 2057 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 09:11 - Aug 13 by Ned_Kennedys |
That is all unsubstantiated gossip and is best left on Twitter and the like.
How many players have we got that play ‘technical passing football’? Chair and Willock. That’s it.
If you believe these two led a player’s revolt and the management team had nothing to do with yesterday then dream on. |
Reports on the official site have interviews with GA where he openly says he had frank conversations with the players after matches.
If you think Willock & Chair are the only players who are capable of technical passing football, did you even go to games in the last 3 seasons?
If you believe this was all down to GA trying something different then dream on. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 11:50 - Aug 13 with 1937 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 11:13 - Aug 13 by Esox_Lucius |
Reports on the official site have interviews with GA where he openly says he had frank conversations with the players after matches.
If you think Willock & Chair are the only players who are capable of technical passing football, did you even go to games in the last 3 seasons?
If you believe this was all down to GA trying something different then dream on. |
You’ve got form for pushing rumours of dressing room unrest and revolts: it’s your thing.
Manager has frank conversations with his players and you somehow twist that into a revolt. Laughable. | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 11:55 - Aug 13 with 1922 views | R_from_afar |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 11:13 - Aug 13 by Esox_Lucius |
Reports on the official site have interviews with GA where he openly says he had frank conversations with the players after matches.
If you think Willock & Chair are the only players who are capable of technical passing football, did you even go to games in the last 3 seasons?
If you believe this was all down to GA trying something different then dream on. |
"Reports on the official site have interviews with GA where he openly says he had frank conversations with the players after matches".
Fair enough but we don't know what was said in them, it's pure conjecture on our part. Logical deductions are not the same as facts.
I'd like to think some of the conversations involved Ainsworth asking why we weren't sprinting when we were trying to get the ball back and why we weren't closing down effectively.
However, I am just guessing. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 12:11 - Aug 13 with 1861 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:57 - Aug 13 by francisbowles |
It's not just one man changing his mind though, it's a management team and imho tactics are mainly down to Dobbo. Gareth is the boss, leader and motivator of the whole team.
I never imagined Paul Smyth as a wing back, thought he was too small and light but he was ferocious and incisive. A great way to get him more involved in the play, than being marked out of the game by some ugly brute of a defender.
Last week, for me, was not all on Gareth. It was a combination of players performing poorly and an unbalanced defence and centre mid, with two left footed cbs and CMS, as well as any poor tactical planning.
What a difference bringing in Cook. Allowed us to better balance the side and get our quick players involved. |
Smyth as a wing back worked, but it will only take the first team to push their winger further forward and defensively he will be exposed. I imagine when we play teams like that Ozzie will switch fo the WB role.
All in all a nice surprise, as GA promised. | |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 12:11 - Aug 13 with 1858 views | PunteR |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 09:58 - Aug 13 by nadera78 |
Some people embarrassing themselves on this thread by absolutely refusing to give Ainsworth any credit whatsoever. |
Bit of an extreme comment there.
There's more digging out other fans on this thread than posters "grudgingly" giving Ainsworth credit.
I think fans are more than entitled to hold back on their enthusiasm for the win. Let's get a few more games under our belt. We'll find out what Ainsworths team is all about over the season. Let's not pretend we've been proper gash for months now and I mean proper gash!.
We all want Ainsworth and QPR to do well. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 12:14 - Aug 13 with 1839 views | welwynranger |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:29 - Aug 13 by dmm |
I don't think anyone is refusing to give Ainsworth credit. Some are simply pointing out there's more to yesterday's changes than the one man changing his mind about formation and tactics.
And I'm sure I did see more 'technical' football yesterday, albeit the stats weren't great - 35% possession, 323 passes with a 67% success rate. The football compared to Watford was better in pretty well all respects, not least in that we scored two goals and won the game. |
The football was better than Watford in respect that it was still 0-0. After 40 seconds. LOL
Seriously though a great result we'll done to the team and Gareth.
Come on URRRRS | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 12:34 - Aug 13 with 1772 views | 1JD |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:28 - Aug 13 by R_from_afar |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 12:42 - Aug 13 with 1732 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Good Lord.
Yesterday was a good day, like. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 13:16 - Aug 13 with 1585 views | Logman |
I do think there's one thing which everyone is forgetting in their trial of GA. I was on here straight after the Watford game to berate his tactics but you have to remember that it was the first game after weeks of preparation and if he'd gone into it saying 'Right lads, we just got dicked by Oxford so we're going 5 at the back and 10 behind the ball' then it wouldn't have sent a good message out after probably weeks of practicing 4-4-2 and attacking football.
Just a thought ..... | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 13:36 - Aug 13 with 1507 views | DavieQPR |
No matter who's idea on the change of tactics were only one man can change them. So credit to GA. Let;s see after 10 games but i'm a lot more optimistic than I was. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 13:38 - Aug 13 with 1502 views | Hoopsie |
To be fair, to concede inside 35 seconds at Watford probably threw the whole tactics and game plan out of the window, heads immediately dropped as thoughts of the Oxford game and last season’s slump flooded back till we were 0-4 at half time. Not a good way to start the season especially every betting odds QPR are favourites for the drop.
To get 3 points as early as the second game is a massive massive boost |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 13:49 - Aug 13 with 1440 views | ChrisNW6 |
I don't think he's ever really had the option previously of playing 3 at the back and yesterday's back line will not be his preferred picks when we have a fit squad. Over the past four years our best success has come with a back 3 but I believe GA's master stroke was playing Armstrong up front with Dykes. That was a very attacking set up and will worry most teams.
Ainsworth gets full credit and we even got away with the substitutions. Armstrong on a yellow and Smythe not having to do a full 100mins. That was not a Warbs team or formation, it was all down to the current manager and hardly rocket science in identifying how we needed to set ourselves up after Watford.
Well done Wild Thing 👏 | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 13:55 - Aug 13 with 1404 views | westy |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 10:48 - Aug 13 by Blue_Castello |
Exactly this it has become tedious, statements like he's lost the dressing room I just don't believe but this Forum is all about opinions whether they are substantiated by fact or not, then I am told after ONE game his job was on the line, jeez I know we have been a basket case in all the years I have followed the club but I don't accept his job was on the line after 1 game.
Apparently there has been gossip from the changing room, where's that come from social media probably, if that's the case then quite possibly started by some of the nut jobs who inhabit that environment. Some of the posts here are trying to find as much way to undermine Ainsworth as possible, bit of the old conspiracy theory springs to mind.
So the system is changed and some people immediately want to credit Dobson, well that's a possibility but Ainsworth and Dobson are a team who work together and bounce ideas off each other, at least that's what you expect and would want to happen.
Some people don't like his interviews, I've not witnessed anything terrible he's trying to stay positive, that's a given when your a manager. Look I don't know if Ainsworth will be a success or not but give the man a break give him a few games with his own squad and give him some credit if he wins.....
Oh and the other thing people keep forgetting is what a sh*tty unbalanced squad Ainsworth inherited, it takes time, it's no excuse for the Watford capitulation but there were a lot of factors involved, it's history we've just recruited two Senior professionals who will make a significant difference.... [Post edited 13 Aug 2023 11:05]
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 14:05 - Aug 13 with 1366 views | nadera78 |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 12:11 - Aug 13 by PunteR |
Bit of an extreme comment there.
There's more digging out other fans on this thread than posters "grudgingly" giving Ainsworth credit.
I think fans are more than entitled to hold back on their enthusiasm for the win. Let's get a few more games under our belt. We'll find out what Ainsworths team is all about over the season. Let's not pretend we've been proper gash for months now and I mean proper gash!.
We all want Ainsworth and QPR to do well. |
Really? There are at least 2 posters inventing BS rumours of player revolts on this thread rather than give Ainsworth any credit for yesterday's performance. | | | |
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