| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 14:18 - Aug 13 with 2053 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 23:33 - Aug 12 by 1JD |
He’d all but lost the dressing room and was virtually left with no choice but to listen to the players feedback. He was also aware the fans were up in arms. And the board probably had a word of caution.
So let’s be realistic, he changed it because in all likelihood, he was forced into it and his job was on the line. Make the change and get to keep his job. Or do nothing and probably die on his sword.
In that regard, it’s an easy decision to make, so whilst he gets a level of credit; let’s not go overboard. And let’s remember why he was in the situation to begin with.
There are far more questions than answers at this point. |
How do you know he lost the dressing room? Lots of speculation unsubstantiated as usual.
The difference for me was an extremely competent, experienced and vocal centre halve, along with a committed and aggressive forward, supported by a deeper lying two of Dykes and Chair. The set up was clearly much better and everyone, including Dozzell, had decent games.
Fair play to all concerned and with a bit of confidence in the bag, we can look to move forward with some positivity. If Colback is available next week, all the better. |  | |  |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 14:32 - Aug 13 with 1989 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 12:11 - Aug 13 by PunteR |
Bit of an extreme comment there.
There's more digging out other fans on this thread than posters "grudgingly" giving Ainsworth credit.
I think fans are more than entitled to hold back on their enthusiasm for the win. Let's get a few more games under our belt. We'll find out what Ainsworths team is all about over the season. Let's not pretend we've been proper gash for months now and I mean proper gash!.
We all want Ainsworth and QPR to do well. |
Maybe a good time to point out at this juncture, that we have won 3 league games in 5.
Previously it took us 27 games to win 3 games.
So 'proper gash' may be a tad over the top
Most of this thread are people saying that GA was man enough to hold his hands up and say I got it wrong. Not many people can do that, and IF we go on to have a reasonable season it will be interesting to see how many here can do the same. Some posters from the last week have already been very invisible over the last 24 hours and proving how they only come out when things are going horribly wrong.
I only wish I could agree with your last sentence because there are several here who do not and have great delight when it is not the case (Not digging you out btw) |  | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 14:36 - Aug 13 with 1979 views | R_from_afar |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 12:34 - Aug 13 by 1JD |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 14:44 - Aug 13 with 1944 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
I'm not sure why we are arguing about if the players weren't comfortable playing the system against Watford/Oxford.
1990 World Cup, wasnt it the players who spoke/discussed with Bobby Robson to change to a sweeper system?
It pretty much happens at all clubs. The important thing is the players voiced their opinions, the management team listened and changed it. Good management skills in my humble opinion.
I've been critical of GA, but I'm happy he has shown he can accept he made a right royal cock up and wasted pre season.
I'm more interested to how Willock and Richards now react to being left out of a winning squad. | |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 15:14 - Aug 13 with 1821 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Good for him!
Clearly, desperately wants to do well, and after a week of pelters, fair play to him. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 15:28 - Aug 13 with 1780 views | PunteR |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 14:05 - Aug 13 by nadera78 |
Really? There are at least 2 posters inventing BS rumours of player revolts on this thread rather than give Ainsworth any credit for yesterday's performance. |
BS rumour spreading or just speculating.on a message board? .
There's lots of evidence on all sides of the debate. You're just calling out posters for effect. Clearly things haven't been right behind the scenes , it's there for all to see.
Call it players revolt or players just disagreeing with Ainsworths methods and forcing a change in direction for him . There's very little difference in how it's phrased. It's kinda the same thing.
Ainsworth could have dug his Cuban heels in and carried on his ideas but it probably wouldn't have got him that win on Saturday so fairplay to him for changing it up a bit ,holding his hands up and say he's got it wrong.
No many managers would do that.
Either way he's compromised his position slightly so that's very risky but let's hope we can now push on from yesterday's win and not revert to our fragile type. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 15:39 - Aug 13 with 1747 views | easthertsr |
I do like GA but isn't it obvious that trying to play hoofball with this squad of players is an absolute terrible idea. Everyone can see that they are entirely unsuitable to play in that way. Not only.did he try to play that way he kept doing so when it continued to not work. I'm glad he's seen the light but it hasn't half taken a long time! | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 15:54 - Aug 13 with 1714 views | HAYESBOY |
GA clearly loves the club and is putting in everything he can to make us successful, but there is something about his interviews that I just don't get on with. Not even certain what it is.
Best I can describe it is that he is asked a specific question but answers it in a way that tries to cover all opinions.
Maybe a bit harsh but it annoys me. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 15:56 - Aug 13 with 1703 views | loftupper |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 15:39 - Aug 13 by easthertsr |
I do like GA but isn't it obvious that trying to play hoofball with this squad of players is an absolute terrible idea. Everyone can see that they are entirely unsuitable to play in that way. Not only.did he try to play that way he kept doing so when it continued to not work. I'm glad he's seen the light but it hasn't half taken a long time! |
For a manager with 10 years experience he does make rookie mistakes. That setup last week at Watford being the worst. He held his hands up, admitted it and made changes. Whether that was driven by the players or not is largely irrelevant. For me it feels that Ainsworth is learning on the job, which means it is going to be a bumpy ride.
Seems we are largely split between those who want to call the players shit to use as a stick to beat Les with and those who want to blame Ainsworth. I've been in the latter camp but trying to move to the centre. We'll see how that goes :) | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:10 - Aug 13 with 1642 views | Rangersw12 |
Players and GA deserve credit for implementing that system
Looked like 3412 with the ball and 541. All of them worked hard which was great to see and hopefully something to build on going forward.
Style of play was a mix of decent passing and going direct when needed. Going forward I do worry about how many goals are this squad but that's for another day .
Don't understand why people need to come on here and try and score points of each other . GA was quite rightly received some stick for how he set up the team last week and is quite rightly getting praise this week . | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:28 - Aug 13 with 1603 views | captainmycaptian |
I agree and want GA to succeed as he is a rangers man and yes we have improved from the last few games but the bar is low.So we had 35% posession this seems to be a constant 50% less shots on target and I know that posession doesn't mean you win. Think what a top of the table team such as Leicester Southampton ect would do with that posession. When you have the ball you don't need to defend. Not asking for Barcelona just a bit more control of the game sometimes. I hope I am proved massively wrong but its still a big ask at the moment to say he has it right but yes green shoots very small ones. | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:30 - Aug 13 with 1599 views | Northernr |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:28 - Aug 13 by captainmycaptian |
I agree and want GA to succeed as he is a rangers man and yes we have improved from the last few games but the bar is low.So we had 35% posession this seems to be a constant 50% less shots on target and I know that posession doesn't mean you win. Think what a top of the table team such as Leicester Southampton ect would do with that posession. When you have the ball you don't need to defend. Not asking for Barcelona just a bit more control of the game sometimes. I hope I am proved massively wrong but its still a big ask at the moment to say he has it right but yes green shoots very small ones. |
It didn't feel like a 35% possession game to us. Stoke, Burnley, just felt so bleak, like we never had the ball and just handed it back straight away. That didn't feel like the case yesterday, apart from the final 20 minutes when we ran out of legs, Armstrong and Smyth went off, Adomah came on and we collapsed a little bit. We looked like a proper football team for a good hour before that. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:45 - Aug 13 with 1532 views | sprocket |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:30 - Aug 13 by Northernr |
It didn't feel like a 35% possession game to us. Stoke, Burnley, just felt so bleak, like we never had the ball and just handed it back straight away. That didn't feel like the case yesterday, apart from the final 20 minutes when we ran out of legs, Armstrong and Smyth went off, Adomah came on and we collapsed a little bit. We looked like a proper football team for a good hour before that. |
I agree. I'm surprised at that stat but I suspect it was skewed by the last 25-30 mins as once they scored we went defensive and as stated the teams legs went somewhat.
I am interested and scared in what sort of team he puts out Wed assuming Cook and Fox will not be able for a 3 game week. suspect we will have Gubbins and Adomah starting and given Norwich's free scoring start scares the bejaysus out of me. If we get another tonking it could have damaging implications. | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:48 - Aug 13 with 1523 views | swisscottage |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:30 - Aug 13 by Northernr |
It didn't feel like a 35% possession game to us. Stoke, Burnley, just felt so bleak, like we never had the ball and just handed it back straight away. That didn't feel like the case yesterday, apart from the final 20 minutes when we ran out of legs, Armstrong and Smyth went off, Adomah came on and we collapsed a little bit. We looked like a proper football team for a good hour before that. |
Ditto.
I thought we absolutely dominated the first half, and to see the 57% Cardiff possession stats at half time I went 'You what?!?!' But 90% of Cardiff's possession was in their half and 70% of our time on the football was in their half.
We really ran out of puff towards the end, but I really do think we will last games out better as the season goes on. Just can't afford any injuries as the supporting players really don't seem up to it. | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:49 - Aug 13 with 1515 views | nadera78 |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 15:28 - Aug 13 by PunteR |
BS rumour spreading or just speculating.on a message board? .
There's lots of evidence on all sides of the debate. You're just calling out posters for effect. Clearly things haven't been right behind the scenes , it's there for all to see.
Call it players revolt or players just disagreeing with Ainsworths methods and forcing a change in direction for him . There's very little difference in how it's phrased. It's kinda the same thing.
Ainsworth could have dug his Cuban heels in and carried on his ideas but it probably wouldn't have got him that win on Saturday so fairplay to him for changing it up a bit ,holding his hands up and say he's got it wrong.
No many managers would do that.
Either way he's compromised his position slightly so that's very risky but let's hope we can now push on from yesterday's win and not revert to our fragile type. |
There's not a single piece of evidence to suggest there was a players revolt. But 2 posters have stated it happened on here. | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:52 - Aug 13 with 1505 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:30 - Aug 13 by Northernr |
It didn't feel like a 35% possession game to us. Stoke, Burnley, just felt so bleak, like we never had the ball and just handed it back straight away. That didn't feel like the case yesterday, apart from the final 20 minutes when we ran out of legs, Armstrong and Smyth went off, Adomah came on and we collapsed a little bit. We looked like a proper football team for a good hour before that. |
Agreed. We played ball. Actual ball.
We were at 43% at Half-Time, I'm fairly sure, and still about the same at the hour mark.
Then we basically gave up position and possesion.
43% away from home with two fast lads up front and with a plan to actually score from play is a million miles away from long ball and set pieces.
So, 43% at the hour mark, and the most dangerous team. That was 13 minutes before Armstrong came off and 17 minutes before Smyth did, by the way. So maybe we have to be careful about our assumption that we were still the same team before those subs.
Whether by design or accident a team in dire need of a win started to slow down, sit back and to cede possession long before those subs.
That's understandable, maybe even human nature. It's been a tough week - new formation, lots of pressure, new faces. And also a lack of fitness, availability and options off the bench hampered us. The test, though, is whether we can keep the tempo up for ninety minutes, or a hundred and twelve.
For now, though: That'll do, Pig, that'll do. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 18:02 - Aug 13 with 1355 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:52 - Aug 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agreed. We played ball. Actual ball.
We were at 43% at Half-Time, I'm fairly sure, and still about the same at the hour mark.
Then we basically gave up position and possesion.
43% away from home with two fast lads up front and with a plan to actually score from play is a million miles away from long ball and set pieces.
So, 43% at the hour mark, and the most dangerous team. That was 13 minutes before Armstrong came off and 17 minutes before Smyth did, by the way. So maybe we have to be careful about our assumption that we were still the same team before those subs.
Whether by design or accident a team in dire need of a win started to slow down, sit back and to cede possession long before those subs.
That's understandable, maybe even human nature. It's been a tough week - new formation, lots of pressure, new faces. And also a lack of fitness, availability and options off the bench hampered us. The test, though, is whether we can keep the tempo up for ninety minutes, or a hundred and twelve.
For now, though: That'll do, Pig, that'll do. |
The next league game will tell us so much IMO so fingers crossed the boys have recovered from that exhausting effort yesterday and we can go hard again.
Its a shame we have that stupid cup game next it will cause more division regarding team selection desire etc.
We are all so united here today lets remember this when the line ups come out for Norwich .
Your last line made me laugh Brian.Babe is my youngest daughter favorite movie she can quote the farmer line for line .
Is should be on the Shagged By Sheep Match Thread though  |  | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 19:40 - Aug 13 with 1267 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 22:01 - Aug 12 by Dorse |
Lose: Ainsworth's fault
Win: Dobbo's influence
Credit where it's due. He got it wrong last week, he fronted up, changed things (not so much personnel) and got an improvement. This week he got it bang on. Won't always but this one? Yup. |
Pretty much this, but a bit more.
The message board meltdown last week wasn't over just one bloody terrible game, it was culmination of 9 months of terrible football, with another three months at the back end of Warburton, plus off-the-pitch decay. There just didn't seem any way out.
I want all QPR managers to succeed, even the likes of Hughes who I always hated before he joined us, and I specially wanted Ainsworth to do well because of his time as a player and because I admire what he did at Wycombe, but nothing he said or did suggested he could fix things or even knew what was needed.
I actually don't care if the tactics were down to Dobson - it worked just fine for Clough and PeterTaylor, if GA worked out that Dobbo knew what to do and let him do it, then that's actually great management.
It's just one match, but we saw that the management were able to make the right changes, the players put in a shift, there was some raw talent on display, and no-one looked out of place in this league. "What does we want our Rangers back mean?" That's what it means, right there. We could play the same and get beat by better sides, but at least we didn't look an embarrassment.
I still think GA has talked a lot of goolies in the last few months, but all along I've thought that at least half the time he says it because he thinks he's no choice. Could he really have come out after Watford and said "the starting XI are shite, but that's what I've got to work with, and by the way Willock's gone on strike"?
Brian Mc may be on to something in suggesting that he's playing a cannier game than we give him credit for. I think he's been trying to buy time in the hope that something would come together. Just maybe it is. He's certainly bought himself some now, I hope to God he uses it wisely. | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 19:53 - Aug 13 with 1249 views | CiderwithRsie |
Also: Going slightly off-topic, but while none of us have managed a pro football club, I bet a lot of us have been in a toxic workplace. My experience is that it's bloody hard to change things around, especially if you don't have the power or money make wholesale changes in personnel.
However good your vision is, if the people have lost faith in the whole set-up - and I don't just mean your predecessor, but the way the organisation actions (which in QPR's case would mean e.g. the finances, the state of the training facilities and ground, things like not being able to start the season at home, the chances of winning a trophy, the pay) then they start off being cynical about everything, including each other. There may be little cliques. Unless you get a early success - and why would you, when everything has been cr*p for ages? all your optimism can come over as just more bullsh*t.
Just one or two people with the right attitude can make a hell of a difference (as can shipping out one or two with the wrong attitude.) | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 20:00 - Aug 13 with 1236 views | VancouverHoop |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:45 - Aug 13 by sprocket |
I agree. I'm surprised at that stat but I suspect it was skewed by the last 25-30 mins as once they scored we went defensive and as stated the teams legs went somewhat.
I am interested and scared in what sort of team he puts out Wed assuming Cook and Fox will not be able for a 3 game week. suspect we will have Gubbins and Adomah starting and given Norwich's free scoring start scares the bejaysus out of me. If we get another tonking it could have damaging implications. |
I agree. Though interested more than scared. What I'd hope is that the back three remains the same.(though Cook might not manage two games in a week) and we start some of the youngsters who were on the bench on Saturday. I'd particularly like to see a start for Richards. With some justification there's a lot of negativity around him. But, based on the glimpses we've had, there are also hints of a very good player. Given the length of time he's been at the club he hasn't had many minutes actually playing football. Give the kid the first 45 — and boots with Velcro. | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 20:03 - Aug 13 with 1221 views | TheChef |
Please let's just try and avoid the usual feast or famine reaction to every game.
Delighted for Ainsworth and everyone to get the win yesterday.
Let's see how we go midweek against Norwich.
Often things are not as brilliant or terrible as they seem - but usually somewhere in between. |  |
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 20:10 - Aug 13 with 1192 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 15:39 - Aug 13 by easthertsr |
I do like GA but isn't it obvious that trying to play hoofball with this squad of players is an absolute terrible idea. Everyone can see that they are entirely unsuitable to play in that way. Not only.did he try to play that way he kept doing so when it continued to not work. I'm glad he's seen the light but it hasn't half taken a long time! |
Not wanting to pick on you or this post particularly, but I think if someone who had never seen us read this thread they'd be struggling to work out if we have a squad who are completely unsuited to hoofball, or one with just two or three players with any skill. | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 22:28 - Aug 13 with 1021 views | PunteR |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 16:49 - Aug 13 by nadera78 |
There's not a single piece of evidence to suggest there was a players revolt. But 2 posters have stated it happened on here. |
So you know what's happening in the dressing room and on the training ground.?
Fair enough if you do , but this 180 degree turn and Ainsworth holding his hands up is a pretty unusual situation.
I presume the 2 posters your referring too is Esox and 1JD.?
I called you out on your original post because of your OTT comment. I thought you could also be referring to me . Nothing embarrassing about what they said or me.
Anyway. we won this weekend. Who cares..? (we all do). Big ups ! [Post edited 14 Aug 2023 0:55]
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| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 22:56 - Aug 13 with 978 views | nadera78 |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 22:28 - Aug 13 by PunteR |
So you know what's happening in the dressing room and on the training ground.?
Fair enough if you do , but this 180 degree turn and Ainsworth holding his hands up is a pretty unusual situation.
I presume the 2 posters your referring too is Esox and 1JD.?
I called you out on your original post because of your OTT comment. I thought you could also be referring to me . Nothing embarrassing about what they said or me.
Anyway. we won this weekend. Who cares..? (we all do). Big ups ! [Post edited 14 Aug 2023 0:55]
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You're asking me if I know what goes on inside the club? Why not ask the people confidently stating that the players revolted? | | | |
| Ainsworth on Today (Cardiff) on 00:29 - Aug 14 with 894 views | kensalriser |
Surely that's a 180 turn. 360 puts you back where you started. |  |
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