| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. 18:57 - Apr 5 with 5961 views | Logman |
I thought it was an OK game - certainly very watchable - with both teams going for it in cat and mouse fashion.
Before we all go off and ruminate, a quick reality check. We've one point in six games, one half-fit striker to play with and 4 or 5 other first teamers ruled out.
So this was never going to be a walk in the park.
I thought we did OK. The work-rate was good all round (which was the most important thing after Stoke) and while the ball did spend more time in the air, both teams were naturally anxious and in such circumstances, its not easy to get the ball down and play when there is so much riding on the game.
Besides, it always makes me laugh when supporters shout 'get the ball on the floor' when there is a prolonged period of head tennis. You cannot get the ball down when it's 8 foot in the air and you've got a 6ft centre back standing on your toes. There isn't the time and space to chest it down when you've got oppo players tight to you front and back.
Anyway, I thought we did OK in the circumstances. The back four was good. We've been crying out for Morrison and his introduction coincided with a clean sheet.
Paul Smyth played very well (first half). Field, Paal, Collback all good. No real shockers. Even the players who went off were not too bad apart from Andersen being a bit too sluggish and Yang giving the ball away again. Plus Dembele wasn't great, but he will get there.
Anyway, it certainly wasn't a horrific game and we did OK - just got to make sure we get ourselves up for Oxford on Wednesday now .... [Post edited 5 Apr 18:59]
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| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 00:39 - Apr 6 with 1208 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 23:42 - Apr 5 by baz_qpr |
Not sure how the subs were bizarre. Field back from injury replaced by Varane.
Lloyd injured replaced by Bennie who at least put himself about.
Anderson replaced by Morgan
Yang replaced by Dembele
Pretty much all like for like, I dont think we can blame Cifuentes that Morgan and Varane were so off it. What else was he to do, bring on Madsen for Anderson? Throw Sutton kid on for a debut in a must not lose game into a nervy team playing poorly ahead of Dembele |
Should’ve put Sutton on: couldn’t have done any worse than the other attacking players.
If ALL our other forwards are not fit for Oxford then Sutton should play a part there as we’ve proven in the last two games we have very little attacking threat with no striker.
Morgan for Min-Hyeok was a negative substitution as well. |  | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 00:51 - Apr 6 with 1175 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 19:40 - Apr 5 by Logman |
Nope. I'm not going to be swayed by a few keyboard warriors, thanks. I'll stick with my view of the bigger picture, thanks. |
You're welcome to your view, of course, but sand still looks like sand when you're head's buried in it. |  | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 01:04 - Apr 6 with 1149 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 20:04 - Apr 5 by BrianMcCarthy |
I'll stick up for you, to an extent, Logman.
I posted this to my WhatsApp crew at HT, and no-one disagreed:
"I'm pleased with that half.
Quality is questionable, but attitude is good."
Second half fell apart, predictably, as our injured players were replaced by other injured players, played out of position by neccessity, and gassed.
Given our recent form and given our injury crisis, I reckon the older heads in the dressing room will think that that was a job done.
And, if they did, I'd agree with them. |
Perhaps your WhatsApp crew were stunned into silence.
Whilst ultimately I'm ok with the result the performance was turgid against a very poor Cardiff team who with better finishing could've nicked a result. Yes, we've got injuries. Yes, our form has been poor. Yes, a point isn't a bad result. But none of that takes away from the fact that it was a rank awful match and a poor advert for the Championship. We'll need to improve markedly to get more points in the remaining 6 matches.
As for what the older heads were thinking, the job is to win, especially at home against a bottom 3 side, so it certainly wasn't job done. Indeed, it places more pressure on us now to get a result at Oxford and some very difficult subsequent fixtures.
Hopefully we've enough in the tank to get over the line but whatever happens, today's match will not live long in the memory. | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 01:07 - Apr 6 with 1144 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 20:57 - Apr 5 by dutch |
And some people say Leeds fans are entitled. |
Don't be a plum all your life. [Post edited 6 Apr 1:39]
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| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 01:08 - Apr 6 with 1135 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 21:09 - Apr 5 by Northernr |
It’s an acceptable result.
Nothing else about that today was acceptable.
The game was an unwatchable dirge.
Standards. |
Bingo. | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 01:12 - Apr 6 with 1133 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 01:04 - Apr 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Perhaps your WhatsApp crew were stunned into silence.
Whilst ultimately I'm ok with the result the performance was turgid against a very poor Cardiff team who with better finishing could've nicked a result. Yes, we've got injuries. Yes, our form has been poor. Yes, a point isn't a bad result. But none of that takes away from the fact that it was a rank awful match and a poor advert for the Championship. We'll need to improve markedly to get more points in the remaining 6 matches.
As for what the older heads were thinking, the job is to win, especially at home against a bottom 3 side, so it certainly wasn't job done. Indeed, it places more pressure on us now to get a result at Oxford and some very difficult subsequent fixtures.
Hopefully we've enough in the tank to get over the line but whatever happens, today's match will not live long in the memory. |
Or maybe they agreed with me, Benny?
Who knows.
I agree with most of your post too. |  |
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| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 01:20 - Apr 6 with 1068 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 21:09 - Apr 5 by Northernr |
It’s an acceptable result.
Nothing else about that today was acceptable.
The game was an unwatchable dirge.
Standards. |
So, to redirect that twunt Lassel's obessional question with me another way (as I'm sure he wouldn't dare ask you the question), what would you have done differently with the line-up out of interest, Clive? [Post edited 6 Apr 1:21]
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| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 07:10 - Apr 6 with 991 views | nix |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 20:42 - Apr 5 by Dorse |
First half: much better than the thin gruel served up at Stoke. Felt pretty hopeful.
Second half: couldn't quite believe I was watching the same teams. I tuned in slightly late from HT and missed the subs, but still.
Glass half full, we didn't lose to another team looking srag us back. Glass half empty: Cardiff were there for the taking - two points dropped.
Gob not entirely bummed, but definitely the target of a drive-by bumming. |
I'm with you Dorse. Don't think anyone is saying we were great but I've seen way worse than that even this season. People saying it's the worse they've seen have obviously forgotten Blackpool 6 QPR 1 or that home loss against Rotherham when they hadn't won away all season. The first half showed how much we've missed someone who covers ground and wins the ball back - Field - and someone who can hold it up and take the ball up the pitch - Alfie. The difference when they went off was stark.
As well as players on the pitch I think we dropped back in the second half and tried not to lose. That's a team on a losing run with no confidence.
Clearly we need to improve still. It's not good enough. But better than Stoke in terms of effort. We'll have to better in the final third against Oxford to get anything though. So frustrating to lose Saito for these three matches when we already have no Chair and zero fit strikers.
I'm still worried about where our points are coming from. |  | | |
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| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 07:55 - Apr 6 with 948 views | Paddyhoops |
I respect your y
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M opinion Logman but I’ll respectively disagree on this one .
Lost whatever control we had of the game when Field was replaced.
A minuscule amount of quality would have won that game.
That’s not happening when Saito and chair are out of the team .
A dog of a game played by two poor teams.
Positives were, Field is back , thought Paal played well and Dembele looked dangerous when he came on .
And we didn’t lose . Not much else . | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:01 - Apr 6 with 925 views | lassel |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 00:39 - Apr 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
Should’ve put Sutton on: couldn’t have done any worse than the other attacking players.
If ALL our other forwards are not fit for Oxford then Sutton should play a part there as we’ve proven in the last two games we have very little attacking threat with no striker.
Morgan for Min-Hyeok was a negative substitution as well. |
After last weeks meltdown about a winger upfront, you think he shouldve put an 18 year old winger on debut upfront?
Make it make sense. | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:02 - Apr 6 with 928 views | silverbirch |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 21:53 - Apr 5 by Ned_Kennedys |
If they’d played like that against a better team like Oxford or Bristol City and scraped a point then fair enough but this was a home game against an awful team and we really never looked like scoring.
When a pathetic 3 minutes added time was added everyone was quite relieved as we could have played another 333 minutes without scoring.
The second half was appalling, not helped by some bizarre substitutions. |
Not a great game of football but…a sensible line up, starting Lloyd and Field and, presumably, taking them off when sports science said they were about to damage themselves. Anderson playing where his weaknesses wouldn’t immediately result in chances for the opposition. And the substitutions made sense to me, assuming injuries and recovery based lack of resilience.
Some thought had been given to how we approached the game - no playing it out from the back. I think the team, yesterday and at Stoke, is definitely amongst the three worst in the league. There is nobody in it who is going to create something with skill. And, the manager and the players understood that, prepared properly, played with heart and met the main objective of not losing to a team deeper in trouble than us.
On a macro scale, things are far below the standards we should be setting, but for that match, with the players available, I was ok with it. I clapped the team off. I was recognising the effort, and clapping the players, not the club. And I was relieved to get a point and that the manager and what players we have left might, in contrast to what we saw at Stoke, have the attitude and pride required to keep us up. | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:22 - Apr 6 with 888 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 07:10 - Apr 6 by nix |
I'm with you Dorse. Don't think anyone is saying we were great but I've seen way worse than that even this season. People saying it's the worse they've seen have obviously forgotten Blackpool 6 QPR 1 or that home loss against Rotherham when they hadn't won away all season. The first half showed how much we've missed someone who covers ground and wins the ball back - Field - and someone who can hold it up and take the ball up the pitch - Alfie. The difference when they went off was stark.
As well as players on the pitch I think we dropped back in the second half and tried not to lose. That's a team on a losing run with no confidence.
Clearly we need to improve still. It's not good enough. But better than Stoke in terms of effort. We'll have to better in the final third against Oxford to get anything though. So frustrating to lose Saito for these three matches when we already have no Chair and zero fit strikers.
I'm still worried about where our points are coming from. |
Alfie Lloyd holding the ball up and taking it up the pitch? FFS, he doesn't do that, at all.
Three times in the first he needlessly gave the ball away due to poor passes of no more than 10 yards, all leading to breaks by Cardiff.
His control is awful, his game awareness is almost nil. He also has a knack of managing to receive the ball in the least dangerous parts of the pitch. Its quite a skill.
People on here need to stop defending utter crap performances and players.
There was not one good performance out there. The only ones who should get a pass are Morgan, Morrison and Bennie who are all inexperienced, but will be mainstays next season.
Standards and pride. Two things lacking at the club and infecting the fan base. | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:36 - Apr 6 with 872 views | Mr_Beef |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 00:39 - Apr 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
Should’ve put Sutton on: couldn’t have done any worse than the other attacking players.
If ALL our other forwards are not fit for Oxford then Sutton should play a part there as we’ve proven in the last two games we have very little attacking threat with no striker.
Morgan for Min-Hyeok was a negative substitution as well. |
Last week it was Lloyd, now it's Sutton.
The reality is that this is a weak squad with too many injuries and the manager has very little choice. That is directly the responsibility of the DoF. |  | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:46 - Apr 6 with 848 views | Northernr |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 00:39 - Apr 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
Should’ve put Sutton on: couldn’t have done any worse than the other attacking players.
If ALL our other forwards are not fit for Oxford then Sutton should play a part there as we’ve proven in the last two games we have very little attacking threat with no striker.
Morgan for Min-Hyeok was a negative substitution as well. |
I’d like to see Sutton too, but he’s another 5ft nothing forward by the looks of things. He was warming up under us and looked tiny. |  | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:53 - Apr 6 with 817 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 00:06 - Apr 6 by MrSheen |
I was really hoping to see Sutton, but having made four forward changes it would only have been Smyth off to avoid the sub being subbed. |
A 17yo prospect should be kept as far away as possible from this bunch. Shame Morrison, Morgan and Bennie have had to be used save they are also infected with the same malaise as the rest of their older teammates. | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 10:40 - Apr 6 with 652 views | Hugey |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:02 - Apr 6 by silverbirch |
Not a great game of football but…a sensible line up, starting Lloyd and Field and, presumably, taking them off when sports science said they were about to damage themselves. Anderson playing where his weaknesses wouldn’t immediately result in chances for the opposition. And the substitutions made sense to me, assuming injuries and recovery based lack of resilience.
Some thought had been given to how we approached the game - no playing it out from the back. I think the team, yesterday and at Stoke, is definitely amongst the three worst in the league. There is nobody in it who is going to create something with skill. And, the manager and the players understood that, prepared properly, played with heart and met the main objective of not losing to a team deeper in trouble than us.
On a macro scale, things are far below the standards we should be setting, but for that match, with the players available, I was ok with it. I clapped the team off. I was recognising the effort, and clapping the players, not the club. And I was relieved to get a point and that the manager and what players we have left might, in contrast to what we saw at Stoke, have the attitude and pride required to keep us up. |
This is about where I am.
Not acceptable: that we are in a position where have to resort to playing that team, in that style, at home to Cardiff
Just about acceptable: the application of our bare bones starting 11 and subs, to get a useful point.
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| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 11:08 - Apr 6 with 614 views | thehat |
Certainly wasn’t a classic but I’ve seen worse games.
Because I am so emotionally involved and was a nervous wreck second half as I was convinced Cardiff were going to nick it maybe I was detached from the actual aesthetics of the game.
For me it was a good point and we defended really well. Need to get another point Wednesday night. | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 11:14 - Apr 6 with 603 views | TomMorgz7 |
Cardiff were dross and we could only hold them to a draw, they looked like a team of individual players there for the taking.
We drew after putting in the minimal effort we could have, players like Paal and Colback would be fine one minute, and then completely checked out the other, leading to us constantly giving the ball away.
Someone's gonna have to explain that Varane performance to me, because he's our player for however long and he looked more checked out than anyone else.
Morrison fine for the most part, Edwards v good I thought, we're seriously gonna miss him when he goes back.
My major concern is that after this draw that we 'worked hard for' we'll now sack off the away game against Oxford and forfeit another 3 pts to a relegation rival, as that's currently the pattern (Middlesbrough (A), Leeds (H), Stoke (A), Cardiff (H) |  | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 11:19 - Apr 6 with 585 views | Logman |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 11:14 - Apr 6 by TomMorgz7 |
Cardiff were dross and we could only hold them to a draw, they looked like a team of individual players there for the taking.
We drew after putting in the minimal effort we could have, players like Paal and Colback would be fine one minute, and then completely checked out the other, leading to us constantly giving the ball away.
Someone's gonna have to explain that Varane performance to me, because he's our player for however long and he looked more checked out than anyone else.
Morrison fine for the most part, Edwards v good I thought, we're seriously gonna miss him when he goes back.
My major concern is that after this draw that we 'worked hard for' we'll now sack off the away game against Oxford and forfeit another 3 pts to a relegation rival, as that's currently the pattern (Middlesbrough (A), Leeds (H), Stoke (A), Cardiff (H) |
Yep, I'm a bit worried about that. But I am hoping Oxford relax a bit on Wednesday after getting the win yesterday.
It's about us though really ..... | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 11:30 - Apr 6 with 547 views | daveB |
Well we were a lot better than last week but as a game it was so dull both teams were never going to score a goal and it's not often you look at the clock saying 67 minutes and it feels like you've ben there for hours
Maybe I'm just worn down by the season but was vital we didn't lose |  | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 11:32 - Apr 6 with 535 views | daveB |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:46 - Apr 6 by Northernr |
I’d like to see Sutton too, but he’s another 5ft nothing forward by the looks of things. He was warming up under us and looked tiny. |
yeah where was he gonna play if he came on, just another winger and smyth was playing well | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 13:27 - Apr 6 with 414 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:01 - Apr 6 by lassel |
After last weeks meltdown about a winger upfront, you think he shouldve put an 18 year old winger on debut upfront?
Make it make sense. |
What have we got to lose then?
The guy knows how to score goals and there is literally no other sensible option we haven’t tried.
Looking forward to your expert suggestion. | | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 13:29 - Apr 6 with 403 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 08:53 - Apr 6 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
A 17yo prospect should be kept as far away as possible from this bunch. Shame Morrison, Morgan and Bennie have had to be used save they are also infected with the same malaise as the rest of their older teammates. |
Yeah good idea.
Perhaps start the game with only players over 21 years old.
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| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 13:46 - Apr 6 with 365 views | mart_Goblin |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 13:27 - Apr 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
What have we got to lose then?
The guy knows how to score goals and there is literally no other sensible option we haven’t tried.
Looking forward to your expert suggestion. |
Respect your opinion and it’s a valid one , but my opinion is that knowing how to score goals at dev squad level is light years away from being thrown in to a poor side being watched by a brow beaten ever frustrated fan base in a huge game .
I wanted him to come on too, because …..well, you never know .
But realistically he is tiny as Clive mentioned, and with all our problems we need some sort of physicality in this particular side ….see last Saturday for details .
And maybe more importantly, you could be doing the kid more harm than good as the anxiety was ramping up and up and up . Bennie is much more experienced considering his young age so I understand why that was the choice .
The caveat being we’ll never know until he gets games . Very true .
But those chances will be in different games and very different scenarios to the swampfest we have trudged back into now.
Who knows, we might try something else on Wednesday with no striker available at the club and give him a go . But I doubt that very much . |  | | |
| Probably in a minority of one, but here goes .. on 13:57 - Apr 6 with 322 views | hoopedmonkey |
Vaughan is available | | | |
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